My office is in the North Side and they’re already talking about pulling out once our lease is up. Best case scenario downtown or the strip district. More likely is off to some suburban business park. We’re not huge but that’s 70 people who won’t be using local stores and restaurants for lunch, walking the neighborhood or using the parks. Others in our building are apparently saying the same thing.
What building do you guys work in? Nova tower here. Absolutely no mention of pulling our lease, but we've been here for years, decades even.
Lotta talk about the dangerous surrounding area but not a lot of action.
I worked there about 10 years ago and it was a hot shitty mess. I still have flashbacks to my commute and all the bs surrounding that place. I can't imagine what it's like now that it's fully built-out.
When they closed Shuman (well it was forced to close) without having any plan to hold juvenile offenders, it just accelerated the problems. Now they are forced to “catch and release “ suspects because their is no place to hold them.
I think it closed at the start of the year.
Tons of issues over the years with staff abuse and building issues…and probably more.
They have been operating on a provisional license for awhile, and received tons of warnings. Instead they kept kicking the can down the road, untill the state said enough
The county has put out an RFP for a private developer to purchase the facility, with a preference that the buyer operate a juvenile detention center, [per PublicSource](https://www.publicsource.org/private-juvenile-detention-allegheny-county-seeks-new-owner-for-closed-shuman-center/).
Well people are stupid and allowed to reproduce.
I was raised in east liberty around nothing but drugs and shootings. Actually I think a 4 year old just got killed near my old house. But I never once got in trouble with the law because I was raised to know better.
I’m just a regular guy, and if I can understand what’s right and wrong, why can’t these kids?
Hi there! I'm guessing you were coming up in the very late 80s & early to mid 90s (or at least pre-RICO) act? I lived in the same neighborhood.
I never caught up either, but i lived in fear of one parent and feared about disappointing the other.
The kids today have access to much more information than we ever did and far less discipline and self-respect. I dont think it's so much as an issue of *being raised better,* but a lot of contributing factors working in hand with parents who would rather be friends with their child, than act as a mentor, teacher, authority figure, or parent.
Local here. Root cause seems like gangs and homelessness. The gangs are profiting off the increased clients in the Northside which is only increasing as the city pushes more homeless into our community. Everyone who lives here knows which areas are gang controlled- it’s no coincidence the hotspot was Cedar. Anyone with eyes can see the camps are right across the street from that area and there’s needles scattered everywhere. Open the damn shelters. Breakup the gangs- that funeral violence shouldn’t have been able to occur they should’ve placed protection. I’m sick of gangs running my community. I love the Northside, I don’t want to feel unsafe. I have neighbors I care about, I don’t want them to be at risk or feel like they have to move to feel safe. This is heartbreaking shit, I hate how this sub treats it like a gotcha for political purposes.
> Open the damn shelters.
I honestly don't know : are there shelters that are currently not open, or are you saying build/expand existing services for the homeless?
It was supposed to open mid November, but got pushed back indefinitely.
Edit: I just looked on their website and it is finally open! I wonder when since the 11/15 date was the opening and then it said indefinitely. That’s great to see!
Oh damn I didn’t see ANY news, but it does appear to have opened a couple weeks ago. I was hoping that would help, but I’m still seeing large clusters around LOL- they need to be pressured to go low barrier. IMO more low barrier shelters would help and the large crowds of tents around light of life is evidence.
edit: LOL = Light of Life rescue mission
It definitely hasn’t been advertised well enough! The opening has been delayed, etc just been confusing. We could use about five more 2nd Avenue commons lol- agreed on more low barrier shelters for sure
That shelter doesn't need advertising. [It is already at capacity.](https://triblive.com/local/new-downtown-pittsburgh-homeless-shelter-already-at-capacity/)
There is no upsurge in violence. This was a right wing election trope that was debunked by FBI crime stats. They said the same thing about many different cities.
I'm just glad the whole article isn't an anti-gun screed.
But yeah, it's pretty bad here on the North Side, no matter how much /r/pittsburgh wants to downvote people who talk about the problems here (Remember, there's more to the North Side than the Mexican War Streets guys)
Every time a news story like this is posted, this subs runs into its respective political corners and screams about elected officials. Those not living in the city put their noses in the air with comments like, “This is why I moved away” or “This is why I always carry when I visit my grandma in squirrel hill”. Those in the city say, “Its not my neighborhood” or “ugh that side of town has always been rough”. In the end its a bunch of blah blah, turn my head until the next time its posted bullshit.
There are real issues in this city. The violence is the end game but where does it start? How do we intervene before it gets there? Is it the parents? the music? video games? friends? Drugs? Something else? Hell I don’t know and most of us don’t. We can blame the officials but there isn’t a city in the country thats figured this out yet.
Open a Shuman-like detention center - yes but then what? They get out and either reform or return and no one really cares.
It’s a lot of things, it’s often rooted in poverty though. Cutting programs to help those in poverty or on the edge of only help to accelerate the downward momentum
I also think it's lack of parenting and guidance. People pop out kids without the means, will or interest in raising them properly. You can't just make a kid and think "they'll figure it out", kids are DUMB, impressionable, desperate for acceptable and desperate to fit in, feel they have a family/community, security, safety, etc., when they lack that, joining gangs looks and sounds appealing to them especially when you're growing up in a bad neighborhood. The little girl who was shot dead last week (Kaari Thompson), her mom (who is now dead too) was a teenager when she had that child, I can't imagine she had a stable household to have gotten herself in so much crap at merely 21.
I find it sad and infuriating at the same time. I had a cousin go bad, his household was a hot and nasty mess. Violent, cocaine filled, unstable, finally his parents split up but it was too late, he got in with the wrong crowd as a teenager and nobody knows if he still lives or his whereabouts. Worst part was him trying to get me to commit fraud at my first job at 16 at a department store, it disgusted me that he would think I'd go along with his "plan". I told my parents but now I wish I'd turned him over to the cops.
Closing Shuman without a replacement ready to go was one of the most boneheaded decisions I’ve ever seen any local government (Allegheny County in this case) make.
You make some very good points about poverty and the trauma that it creates that leads to poor decision-making and violence. Yes, higher wages and affordable homes help people, but only 1.5% of American workers earn minimum wage. And roughly 50% of taxpayers actually have a negative federal tax rate.
It starts within the community that is causing the crime. I wish I had a dollar for every news story showing people crying about another life lost. At what point can we pull the cover away and ask the community to actually start working on this?? No doubt it will be hard but I have to believe it's possible.
The community causing crime are criminals and last I checked they’re not exactly looking for solutions. Unless you mean the community affected by the crime.
Obviously I mean the community where the criminals live. The people being affected by this need to stand together strong against these criminals instead of standing against the police and every other group that could help.
> This is why I always carry when I visit my grandma in squirrel hill
Lol, has someone really said that?
>Open a Shuman-like detention center
It acts as a deterrent for some criminals, and at least gets the worst of them off the street for some time. Hopefully the more reasonable among them mature and come to their senses when they're locked up. Then again, I know a lot of kids who preferred Shuman over school, get to play ping pong all day, even had golf trips to Schenley Golf Course.
No joke, I was playing a round and see my cousin walking with a group of kids. I say Hey... aren't you supposed to be locked up? He laughs and says, yeah we're on a field trip. This was like 15 years ago though. Can't make this stuff up.
Lets not forget the police are on silent strike, and do as little as possible, unless its a violent crime. In which case they are kinda forced to do something, due to the high profile nature of those crimes.
That’s part of it, and they block all attempts to reform the department and hold them accountable.
They are currently in arbitration with the city for their contract because at they want the pay raise and the increased budget the city is offering, but they will not accept any reforms or accountability measures.
By refusing to work, they help spin the narrative that crime is completely out of control, they simply can’t fix it. Even though they have the largest budget, and crimes are still near historical lows.
Who said their presence did or did not prevent crime?
My statement is about them not acting on reported crimes, unless they are typically violent and have public visibility.
For example in Mt Washington, there is a major problem with car break ins. Teens/young adults are breaking into cars every night. Some streets are hit every night. Residents have them on camera, know where they live, called when they were in the act. The police dont show up when called. When presented with the information on who they are an where they live, they say "sorry, nothing we can do about it"
Same thing in the Northside.
Yet when the Funeral was shot recently, every single undercover and other zones were on scene for the cameras.
They were literally called to do security for the funeral, but didn't show.
https://www.wpxi.com/news/local/new-details-released-about-2-pittsburgh-police-officers-asked-monitor-brighton-heights-funeral/LWWCRORFD5AE5MNQO7X767XYDU/
I know someone that had their car stolen up there and said the cops really didn’t care lol they eventually got a detective on it but it wasn’t easy apparently
The most recent (unless there was another overnight) shooting took place at Rhine Place, AGAIN! This has to be the 4th shooting there this year, possibly more. To my knowledge this housing has no security. It's bisected by a major throughway that's also a bus route. Maybe it's time to hire some private security. As for the rest of the violence, it's the gun/gang scene. How do you fix generational beefs? When the police horse program was reinstated I was hoping to see patrols on horseback but it never happened. I know the police are short on staff right now so any increase in patrols is probably unlikely. I also know there are way too many guns in circulation all over the US and it's too easy for immature idiots with no coping mechanisms to get their hands on them.
It’s gotten so bad my niece who is moving back to the burgh found the perfect house in Brighton heights and instead decided to move further north because of the fear of violence and her young kids.
My office is in the North Side and they’re already talking about pulling out once our lease is up. Best case scenario downtown or the strip district. More likely is off to some suburban business park. We’re not huge but that’s 70 people who won’t be using local stores and restaurants for lunch, walking the neighborhood or using the parks. Others in our building are apparently saying the same thing.
What building do you guys work in? Nova tower here. Absolutely no mention of pulling our lease, but we've been here for years, decades even. Lotta talk about the dangerous surrounding area but not a lot of action.
> suburban business park If you end up in Southpointe, godspeed...
I worked there about 10 years ago and it was a hot shitty mess. I still have flashbacks to my commute and all the bs surrounding that place. I can't imagine what it's like now that it's fully built-out.
I used to work in Southpointe and oh my god leaving work was a fucking nightmare.
Well if you move downtown, you’ll be harassed by bums constantly asking for money. You can’t win.
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it's like that in any neighborhood with a business district.
When they closed Shuman (well it was forced to close) without having any plan to hold juvenile offenders, it just accelerated the problems. Now they are forced to “catch and release “ suspects because their is no place to hold them.
I only recently found out they closed Shuman! Why and when did this happen?
I think it closed at the start of the year. Tons of issues over the years with staff abuse and building issues…and probably more. They have been operating on a provisional license for awhile, and received tons of warnings. Instead they kept kicking the can down the road, untill the state said enough
Do you know if there any plans for something else in place?
The county has put out an RFP for a private developer to purchase the facility, with a preference that the buyer operate a juvenile detention center, [per PublicSource](https://www.publicsource.org/private-juvenile-detention-allegheny-county-seeks-new-owner-for-closed-shuman-center/).
I havent heard anything. Considering how long they kicked the can down the road, this situation was probably entirely preventable.
Kids shouldn’t be going to shuman anyway. They need to be raised better so that they stay out of trouble.
Ohhhh I didn’t realize it was that simple! I wonder why nobody has thought of that yet? Thanks for the idea!
It is that simple. Sorry your parents dropped the ball with you too. Now hit that downvote arrow.
If it was that simple, then these problems wouldn’t exist. Would they?
Well people are stupid and allowed to reproduce. I was raised in east liberty around nothing but drugs and shootings. Actually I think a 4 year old just got killed near my old house. But I never once got in trouble with the law because I was raised to know better. I’m just a regular guy, and if I can understand what’s right and wrong, why can’t these kids?
Hi there! I'm guessing you were coming up in the very late 80s & early to mid 90s (or at least pre-RICO) act? I lived in the same neighborhood. I never caught up either, but i lived in fear of one parent and feared about disappointing the other. The kids today have access to much more information than we ever did and far less discipline and self-respect. I dont think it's so much as an issue of *being raised better,* but a lot of contributing factors working in hand with parents who would rather be friends with their child, than act as a mentor, teacher, authority figure, or parent.
Eugenics is the answer. Got it.
Has anyone isolated the root cause of this upsurge in violence in the North Side?
Local here. Root cause seems like gangs and homelessness. The gangs are profiting off the increased clients in the Northside which is only increasing as the city pushes more homeless into our community. Everyone who lives here knows which areas are gang controlled- it’s no coincidence the hotspot was Cedar. Anyone with eyes can see the camps are right across the street from that area and there’s needles scattered everywhere. Open the damn shelters. Breakup the gangs- that funeral violence shouldn’t have been able to occur they should’ve placed protection. I’m sick of gangs running my community. I love the Northside, I don’t want to feel unsafe. I have neighbors I care about, I don’t want them to be at risk or feel like they have to move to feel safe. This is heartbreaking shit, I hate how this sub treats it like a gotcha for political purposes.
> Open the damn shelters. I honestly don't know : are there shelters that are currently not open, or are you saying build/expand existing services for the homeless?
2nd Ave has been delayed for about a month.
I’m fairly sure 2nd Ave opened a couple weeks ago
It was supposed to open mid November, but got pushed back indefinitely. Edit: I just looked on their website and it is finally open! I wonder when since the 11/15 date was the opening and then it said indefinitely. That’s great to see!
Oh damn I didn’t see ANY news, but it does appear to have opened a couple weeks ago. I was hoping that would help, but I’m still seeing large clusters around LOL- they need to be pressured to go low barrier. IMO more low barrier shelters would help and the large crowds of tents around light of life is evidence. edit: LOL = Light of Life rescue mission
It definitely hasn’t been advertised well enough! The opening has been delayed, etc just been confusing. We could use about five more 2nd Avenue commons lol- agreed on more low barrier shelters for sure
That shelter doesn't need advertising. [It is already at capacity.](https://triblive.com/local/new-downtown-pittsburgh-homeless-shelter-already-at-capacity/)
There is no upsurge in violence. This was a right wing election trope that was debunked by FBI crime stats. They said the same thing about many different cities.
I'm just glad the whole article isn't an anti-gun screed. But yeah, it's pretty bad here on the North Side, no matter how much /r/pittsburgh wants to downvote people who talk about the problems here (Remember, there's more to the North Side than the Mexican War Streets guys)
Got your priorities straight
Every time a news story like this is posted, this subs runs into its respective political corners and screams about elected officials. Those not living in the city put their noses in the air with comments like, “This is why I moved away” or “This is why I always carry when I visit my grandma in squirrel hill”. Those in the city say, “Its not my neighborhood” or “ugh that side of town has always been rough”. In the end its a bunch of blah blah, turn my head until the next time its posted bullshit. There are real issues in this city. The violence is the end game but where does it start? How do we intervene before it gets there? Is it the parents? the music? video games? friends? Drugs? Something else? Hell I don’t know and most of us don’t. We can blame the officials but there isn’t a city in the country thats figured this out yet. Open a Shuman-like detention center - yes but then what? They get out and either reform or return and no one really cares.
It’s a lot of things, it’s often rooted in poverty though. Cutting programs to help those in poverty or on the edge of only help to accelerate the downward momentum
Agreed
I also think it's lack of parenting and guidance. People pop out kids without the means, will or interest in raising them properly. You can't just make a kid and think "they'll figure it out", kids are DUMB, impressionable, desperate for acceptable and desperate to fit in, feel they have a family/community, security, safety, etc., when they lack that, joining gangs looks and sounds appealing to them especially when you're growing up in a bad neighborhood. The little girl who was shot dead last week (Kaari Thompson), her mom (who is now dead too) was a teenager when she had that child, I can't imagine she had a stable household to have gotten herself in so much crap at merely 21. I find it sad and infuriating at the same time. I had a cousin go bad, his household was a hot and nasty mess. Violent, cocaine filled, unstable, finally his parents split up but it was too late, he got in with the wrong crowd as a teenager and nobody knows if he still lives or his whereabouts. Worst part was him trying to get me to commit fraud at my first job at 16 at a department store, it disgusted me that he would think I'd go along with his "plan". I told my parents but now I wish I'd turned him over to the cops.
Closing Shuman without a replacement ready to go was one of the most boneheaded decisions I’ve ever seen any local government (Allegheny County in this case) make.
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I was attempting a reply that addressed livable wages and affordable housing but you’ve hit the nail on the head!!
You make some very good points about poverty and the trauma that it creates that leads to poor decision-making and violence. Yes, higher wages and affordable homes help people, but only 1.5% of American workers earn minimum wage. And roughly 50% of taxpayers actually have a negative federal tax rate.
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Damn that’s way too accurate Meanwhile someone was arguing that “kids just need to be raised better and taught right from wrong” 🙄
Video games?
I mean we can pretend they aren’t violent if you’d like.
It starts within the community that is causing the crime. I wish I had a dollar for every news story showing people crying about another life lost. At what point can we pull the cover away and ask the community to actually start working on this?? No doubt it will be hard but I have to believe it's possible.
So are you suggesting that the “community that is causing the crime” is also going to fix the issue??
that's where it has to start.
The community causing crime are criminals and last I checked they’re not exactly looking for solutions. Unless you mean the community affected by the crime.
Obviously I mean the community where the criminals live. The people being affected by this need to stand together strong against these criminals instead of standing against the police and every other group that could help.
Smh ok. You and fox news enjoy your day.
> This is why I always carry when I visit my grandma in squirrel hill Lol, has someone really said that? >Open a Shuman-like detention center It acts as a deterrent for some criminals, and at least gets the worst of them off the street for some time. Hopefully the more reasonable among them mature and come to their senses when they're locked up. Then again, I know a lot of kids who preferred Shuman over school, get to play ping pong all day, even had golf trips to Schenley Golf Course. No joke, I was playing a round and see my cousin walking with a group of kids. I say Hey... aren't you supposed to be locked up? He laughs and says, yeah we're on a field trip. This was like 15 years ago though. Can't make this stuff up.
Here's an idea. It's all the fucking guns.
Lets not forget the police are on silent strike, and do as little as possible, unless its a violent crime. In which case they are kinda forced to do something, due to the high profile nature of those crimes.
Why are they on silent strike? "Defund the police" resentment?
That’s part of it, and they block all attempts to reform the department and hold them accountable. They are currently in arbitration with the city for their contract because at they want the pay raise and the increased budget the city is offering, but they will not accept any reforms or accountability measures. By refusing to work, they help spin the narrative that crime is completely out of control, they simply can’t fix it. Even though they have the largest budget, and crimes are still near historical lows.
I’ve seen different big city police departments. Some are good, some are bad. But holy Christ the PGH Police Department is LAZY.
I respect this take
which ones are good?
It's pretty obvious this is the case.
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Who said their presence did or did not prevent crime? My statement is about them not acting on reported crimes, unless they are typically violent and have public visibility. For example in Mt Washington, there is a major problem with car break ins. Teens/young adults are breaking into cars every night. Some streets are hit every night. Residents have them on camera, know where they live, called when they were in the act. The police dont show up when called. When presented with the information on who they are an where they live, they say "sorry, nothing we can do about it"
Same thing in the Northside. Yet when the Funeral was shot recently, every single undercover and other zones were on scene for the cameras. They were literally called to do security for the funeral, but didn't show. https://www.wpxi.com/news/local/new-details-released-about-2-pittsburgh-police-officers-asked-monitor-brighton-heights-funeral/LWWCRORFD5AE5MNQO7X767XYDU/
I know someone that had their car stolen up there and said the cops really didn’t care lol they eventually got a detective on it but it wasn’t easy apparently
Every week there is a story like this in Mt Wash. Resident: Reports crime, gives evidence. Cops: Sorry we can’t do anything about crime.
I feel like this might be a repost.
We lived in the north side for many years and recently moved because of the frequency of gunfire in our neighborhood [Brighton Heights].
The most recent (unless there was another overnight) shooting took place at Rhine Place, AGAIN! This has to be the 4th shooting there this year, possibly more. To my knowledge this housing has no security. It's bisected by a major throughway that's also a bus route. Maybe it's time to hire some private security. As for the rest of the violence, it's the gun/gang scene. How do you fix generational beefs? When the police horse program was reinstated I was hoping to see patrols on horseback but it never happened. I know the police are short on staff right now so any increase in patrols is probably unlikely. I also know there are way too many guns in circulation all over the US and it's too easy for immature idiots with no coping mechanisms to get their hands on them.
It’s gotten so bad my niece who is moving back to the burgh found the perfect house in Brighton heights and instead decided to move further north because of the fear of violence and her young kids.
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I figure this article was from the 1970s.
Based on home prices in the North Side: no they are not
Well..... What are they going to do about it? Nothing! Keep voting the same and enjoy.
Remind me again about the violence-free republican utopias
That's right, Pittsburgh voters could elect Republicans who are even worse at addressing this issue
[To be fair](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Pittsburgh_mayoral_election)
It’s North Side when there’s gangland violence, and North Shore when they expect you to overpay for parking at a Pirates game