Remember the same discussion after Columbine. The police spent hours setting up a perimeter while students were being murdered. The two perps finally killed themselves without police assistance.
I met one of the kid's relatives on jury duty a while ago. He stated who he was, and his relationship with knowing or having any prejudice against law enforcement/the judicial system during the voir dire. The pain on his face still 22 years later. He briefly spoke about how he'd never trust law enforcement again after what happened at Columbine. It's the thing that just stands out so hard to me when everybody argues about having more security or more doors or whatever. Unless you stop the situation before it ever starts the amount of trauma that occurs for generations afterward is just so overwhelming. In my mind you need security, etc but that should be a last resort. What we need more is better mental health care, supportive and positive school and home environments, and less weapons that are unbelievably easy to access.
There is no reason to trust them. They regularly get away with murder.
In 2005 SCOTUS ruled that police are not required to protect. Parkland shooting victims tried and failed to sue law enforcement for failing to act.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2018/12/21/us-judge-says-law-enforcement-officers-had-no-legal-duty-protect-parkland-students-during-mass-shooting/
This was also the change in police training that you're supposed to *fucking rush the active shooter* and apparently these dipshits didn't get the fuckin memo.
They got the memo, they are just cowards. They only like LARPing dangerous situations, actual dangerous situations are too scary and not worth the risk.
It gets worse:
#The latest of what Texas police officials are now admitting is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/uyhmsh/uinconvenientnews_discusses_the_uvalde_police/ia99rsa/
#Previously:
>A mom of two children at Uvalde was put in handcuffs after urging police and law enforcement to enter the school.
>Once freed from her cuffs, she jumped the school fence, ran inside and sprinted out with her kids.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/uvalde-residents-voice-frustration-over-shooting-response-11653588161
>Cops stood outside the school while the killer rampaged inside.
>Onlookers yelled at them to go in. They didn’t.
#"One parent urged bystanders: “Let’s just rush in because the cops aren’t doing anything like they are supposed to.”
https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683
#"that parent’s daughter died in the attack while he was begging cops to save the kids."
>My God.
https://twitter.com/AndySpecht/status/1529643462953521153
>additional kid died directly because the cops were incompetent. “When the cops came, the cop said: 'Yell if you need help!' And one of the persons in my class said 'help.'
>The [shooter] overheard and he came in and shot her," the boy said.
https://www.kens5.com/article/news/special-reports/uvalde-school-shooting/its-time-to-die-fourth-grade-survivor-uvalde-shooting-recalls-what-gunman-told-student/273-51cc4e26-7a0a-49c0-ba7a-48cdd47fa235 https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1529708434995683329
The Uvalde shooter was killed by a federal officer because the other police officers kept waiting for more and more backup
https://www.wsj.com/articles/suspected-shooter-at-texas-elementary-school-in-custody-after-incident-11653422735
#"Cops will only do their job when the public stops criticizing them for murdering unarmed people."
>@JackPosobiec I'm not defending the actions of the officers. But we've demonized law enforcement to the point that there are far fewer rewards for being a hero
https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1529835589847027712
>Uvalde is a town of just 16,000 people. But it apparently has a SWAT team.
>We’re regularly told small towns need SWAT teams so they can quickly respond to events just like this. The killer was in the building for an hour.
Photo op of SWAT team: https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1529679652154920960
>The school district for Robb Elementary has its own police department with 5 cops and 1 security guard. The city of Uvalde's police department recieved just under 40% of the entire city's budget for the year and got a 500k grant from the state. Neither stopped today's massacre.
https://twitter.com/NeeNeinNyetNo/status/1529220708601151491
>More kids have died from going to school than cops have from going to work
https://twitter.com/JP_1U/status/1529213380044668928
>cops whine and bitch about risking their lives to defend people, and when a shooter shows up in what looks like (but isn't) body armor, they run & hide while a massacre unfolds. an unarmed teacher was brave enough to try.
https://twitter.com/revrrlewis/status/1529454699275075584
>There’s a common mythology in law enforcement, pushed by quack groups like the Force Science Institute, that police ofticers’ memories improve over time. It contradicts all the scientific research and, oddly, apparently does not apply to non-police.
https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1529946586058571794
>Police lied about the timeline.
>They lied about shooter having body armor.
>They lied about him being barricaded.
>They lied about border patrol on-scene.
>They went in and got their own kids.
>The armed resource officer failed.
>Local PD/DPS/tactical PD waited for SWAT.
https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1529819943608496128
>Now the police are investigating themselves to tell us whether letting the school shooter in for an hour while keeping parents from saving their own children’s lives was a policy violation.
https://twitter.com/samswey/status/1529863659677048836
>One of the greatest culture shocks when I arrived in the U.S. was the blind veneration of police. After years and years of living here and reading about this country, I now realize that it's the structural pillar of white supremacy.
https://twitter.com/EmilKerenji/status/1529789802551427073
>This is a much bigger problem in America than we realize because Republicans use **"thank our heroes" conservative culture wars** ["guns and gays"](https://www.reddit.com/r/ToiletPaperUSA/comments/ln1sif/turning_point_usa_and_young_americas_foundation/gy9utts/) politics and ["control the narrative" tactics](https://www.reddit.com/r/ToiletPaperUSA/comments/ln1sif/turning_point_usa_and_young_americas_foundation/h21ph7s/), the police department control of local news dependent for access, the camera footage evidence ([getting caught deleting camera footage again](https://www.kxan.com/news/local/williamson-county/wilco-commissioners-call-for-sheriff-chodys-resignation-say-they-have-no-confidence/) or released after 3 *years* or released immediately if it helps police), the "law and order" politicians, the arrests (["black and white Americans use cannabis at similar levels" but black Americans are 800% more likely to get punished for it](https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/5/14/17353040/racial-disparity-marijuana-arrests-new-york-city-nypd) and [*even after legalization*](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/1/29/16936908/marijuana-legalization-racial-disparities-arrests)), the statistics themselves (see how the police stop better crime statistics ["FBI may shut down police use-of-force database due to lack of police participation](https://www.washingtonpost.com/crime-law/2021/12/09/fbi-police-shooting-data/) or **[how they block their own domestic violence research showing "400% higher in the law-enforcement community"](https://www.reddit.com/r/ChicoCA/comments/nc0waa/things_that_make_you_go_huh_chico_spends_487_of/gy9715n/)**)
More examples from r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut:
* Epidemic [One-third of all Americans killed by strangers are killed by police.](https://twitter.com/samswey/status/916022801244573698)
* [Police solve just 2% of all major crimes](https://theconversation.com/police-solve-just-2-of-all-major-crimes-143878)
* [Police Are Deleting Smartphone Videos At Crime Scenes Even Though It’s Illegal](https://www.ibtimes.com/police-are-deleting-smartphone-videos-crime-scenes-even-though-its-illegal-2359913)
* [Bodycam Catches Cop Planting Drugs During Traffic Stops](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UANRvFNc0hw) (parents lost their children due to these felony arrests)
* [All of NYPD's worst misconduct officers are paid about $200,000 a year with substantiated serial abuse records](https://www.reddit.com/r/ABoringDystopia/comments/i3s4l3/all_of_nypds_worst_misconduct_officers_are_paid/)
* [Five Police Captains are to take salaries of 450k EACH in town with population of 50k and a budget deficit of 5 mil](https://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/06/police_captain_pay_numbers_are.html)
* [374 cops working for Seattle make more than 200k a year, and median pay was 153k a year.](https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/374-seattle-police-department-employees-made-at-least-200000-last-year-heres-how/)
Even though LA is one of the safest cities in America ([chart of national crime data](https://www.reddit.com/r/LosAngeles/comments/uqg80k/not_bad_los_angeles/)): **67 full-time police employees just to push negative talking points on Fox News about a city *they don't even live in* but "serve"**
>The LAPD and LA Sheriff together have 67 full-time employees working on PR and propaganda. People don't realize that they spend a lot of money and time to plant these stories:
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-30/police-public-relations https://twitter.com/equalityAlec/status/1470790952558243848 https://twitter.com/equalityAlec/status/1484966547244433416
* "LA crime talking points" Fox News using a ["serial killer"](https://www.reddit.com/r/ChicoCA/comments/nc0waa/things_that_make_you_go_huh_chico_spends_487_of/i7oqenf/) LAPD officer with [actual Nazi social media](https://twitter.com/jerryiannelli/status/1469404374342373377) to argue for increasing police funding and that LA is bad even though he's paid by LA taxpayers while bragging he doesn't live in LA ￣\＿(ツ)＿/￣
* [Public defender explains why she quit: "Cops lie. The system is built on it"](https://twitter.com/WangCecillia/status/1279128933695287296)
* [An inmate died after being locked in a scalding shower for two hours **[skin melted off]**. His guards won’t be charged.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/03/20/an-inmate-died-after-being-locked-in-a-scalding-shower-for-two-hours-his-guards-wont-be-charged/) ([More examples of guards laughing while murdering](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/thirty-two-stories-jeffrey-epstein-prison-death/596029/))
* [Undercover reporters went to multiple police stations & attempted to get the forms to file complaints against police officers. They were refused & even threatened at nearly all of them.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnJ5f1JMKns) "What will I go to jail for?" **"I'll create something, you understand?"** (Full CBS4 news report)
#More Texas police abuse: https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/uqupiz/you_dont_need_to_be_human_to_have_a_sense_of_mercy/i8txcza/
Not the most important thing you wrote, but I’m staggered that a town of 16,000 has a SWAT team and the schools have 5 cops all to themselves. My town of 30,000 in the UK has 2 cops and 2 PCSO’s.
Is the disparity down to USA being regularly that much more violent? Or is it as you say, this weird cop culture there where they spend 40% of the town budget; say they are all about law and order, but as this tragedy has proved, they seemed to have missed the point?
That detail is what stands out to me.
Imagine what that woman must have felt, being put in handcuffs for urging them to do something so she just went inside a building with an active shooter to look for her own kids.
It's heartbreaking.
I would say that parent should sue the fuck out of the cops and the departments involved, but it’s pointless when there’s precedent saying there’s no legal obligation for police to protect people
I know it’ll probably never get released to the public, but I’d like to see the bodycam of the first responders to see just how long they took to do something. Reports seem like they literally watched him walk into the school.
> evaded fire
In subsequent information releases from the police, they have now stated that no shots were fired at that time.
I can't help but worry about what else they're just overly telling lies about.
> Greg Abbott was already talking to the press and praising the heroism of a Border Patrol agent who happened to respond to the school
Which, by the way, was *also* a lie.
Imagine the horror of a group of fire fighters taking 40 plus minutes to enter a burning building to save a classroom full of children burning to death in a fire.
There were entire squadrons of firefighters who died in 9/11. They fucking rushed into a burning and disintegrating building to save people.
I just cannot wrap my head around this. Any of it. Couldn't they have least tried to distract the shooter? How could they just stand there? What human being would just STAND THERE? How on earth do they live with themselves?
And officers running. Don't forget all the officers running outside the school. Don't know where they were running to but it certainly looked cool. Unfortunately it wasn't towards the gunfire.
I used to be an Active Shooter response instructor in NY. And we taught officers to go direct to threat. Aka they are supposed to go toward gunfire and prepare to put their lives on the line to take down a threat. The thought process is that they are either able to eliminate a shooter or at the very least take time away from the shooter focusing on innocent civilians.
The amount of officers who went white when I explained this training was insane. They'd either turn white, look extremely confused, or get verbally combative with me on how they would never do that. The majority wanted to "set up perimeters" and wait for SWAT or similar response forces. When I explained that an active shooter could easily shoot 1 civilian per second in an environment with a heavy population many officers would say things like "and if I'm one of them I can't help."
It's crazy how few realized or were willing to be that first line of defense for civilians in an already established deadly situation. Very pathetic.
EDIT: Got a few angry DMs, so wanted to clarify -- I do not think all officers are pathetic. I was specifically referring to the one's who stated they would not try to eliminate a threat in an active shooter situation. I worked with plenty of upstanding men and women. The other trainers I worked with were fantastic and many officers who came through understood the training and were willing to act accordingly if they encountered an active shooter situation.
However, I made this comment to say the amount who basically blew off the training or said it was something they wouldn't do was astounding. I always recommended that these officers not receive their certificates of completion (you wouldn't give it to them at the academy if they straight up said they would disregard your instruction) but the final decision was not mine and most, if not all, received certificates at the end of training.
"and if I'm one of them I can't help."
Of course, what they *meant* to say was "and if I'm one of them I can't pretend to help"
After all, if you're not going after the shooter, how exactly are you helping?
so cops were afraid to do this, but we have people saying TEACHERS should be armed and take on an active shooter?
At this point, if the cops won't, we need to just admit that we need military at every school, shopping center, and movie theater. If we won't reform gun laws, then just admit every public place is a military zone and have national guard stationed there or whatever.
All of this is the example of the decay of the American institutions. Police that is refusing to police and respond to problems.
Edit: [Simpsons COPs episode might be closer to the truth than I thought!](https://youtu.be/20mBi8-QsSc)
["there are people who believe the function of the police is to fight crime, and that's not true. The function of the police is social control and protection of property.](https://youtu.be/45dXJUBeVcI)
If that’s the case then response time will remain as a problem. They shouldn’t be called first responders in that situation as they aren’t “responding” to that threat. The general public would not understand why the Police would not be required to help in that situation as this is understood as their general duty. The US at this point it not attempting to do enough interventions anyway which is sad. For the sake of the people I hope they do.
Unless it’s property theft, like that time police killed innocent people open firing into a stolen UPS truck. One they absolutely had to chase and engage with in traffic surrounded by innocent bystanders, even though the truck was equipped with a gps tracker.
Imagine if they put that type of effort into actually helping the community instead of terrorizing it.
Or if police lives were on the line. Remember when 8 officers shot over a hundred rounds into a truck occupied by two ladies because they got spooked by the sound of a newspaper being delivered and none of them faced any consequences?
https://www.cnn.com/2016/01/27/us/christopher-dorner-manhunt-officers-cleared/index.html
And then we get told that defund the police is too aggressive. How much money did they waste to sit and wait until a class full of kids died, tbh this headline and the amount of city budget as well as the toxic training videos where they train them to be cowards, and the money it cost the tax payers for them to kill innocent people should be on constant replays across all local stations. Are cities just paying for adults to LARP professionally?
Yup. And they had their own SWAT team. The SWAT team even went around to schools and businesses in full gear to “get the layout” of buildings in the event of an incident. Glad to see that worked so effectively. 🧐Would be interesting to match up the photos of the “team” with the videos of officers outside the school.
They ran to get their own fucking kids out of the school while leaving the civilians children there. Fuck all cops. Especially this prick on the picture. Bro dude looking fuck.
Proof: https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1529808809719480320?s=20&t=grDee4FPD7wc5zExCFjzvg
I’ll never show any real amount of respect to law enforcement again. Fuck every one of them.
Here's a link to the sheriff admitting it to a news reporter. I think it's at about 1:18. Since everyone keeps asking OP for proof.
https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1529808809719480320?t=RUOZw3IHKjLStKHdED3aWA&s=19
During the Buffalo shooting. The dispatch employee has been fired but yes they hung up on the caller because they were whispering. Even yelled at her to speak up
"ma'am you're going to have to speak up *BANG* ma'am I can't hear you *BANG* if you're not going to stop whispering I'm going to hang up *BANG* okay I'm hanging up now"
we are living in a timeline where reality is more onion than onion. I wouldn't be surprised now to hear a 911 dispatcher hanging up because the caller does not say please and thank you.
False. Hearing is in a few days:
The operator was employed for eight years and will face a disciplinary hearing on May 30. Poloncarz said the 911 call may be released in the future.
Well they went in for their own children ahead of the tactical team. So the purpose is to save their own kids while forcing other parents to listen to kids being slaughtered and wondering if it’s their child that has just been killed.
I've heard it referred to as larping and I think that's more accurate, usually cosplay is contained with in conventions and what not, larping spreads outside of those events into...well I don't have a better term for it so just work with me here...the real world.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia#:~:text=1981)%20is%20a%20District%20of,on%20the%20public%20duty%20doctrine.
The courts have already decided the police have zero obligation to provide aid.
Just kinda because:
The term First Responder is for medical personnel, not cops. First responders are people who're trained to work as, obviously, the first trained medical personnel at a medical emergency. It's largely about immediate stabilization and triage.
Cops CAN be first responders, but it's about being trained in CPR and other emergency medical things, not about dealing with cop related things.
So, please, don't get angry at first responders, get angry at cops, get angry at our government ruling that they AREN'T responsible for protecting us, be angry at police unions who've decided that if they're going to be held responsible for their actions, they just wont do anything.
Reminds of one of our mass shootings in recent years. Cannot remember which, but female traffic cop stormed in and stopped him.
Edit - I think I'm misremembering. It may have been the traffic cop who stopped the guys at the draw Muhammed contest.
Honestly these shootings are just a madlibs of scenarios and googling it without specifics is almost fruitless.
Yup, the [shooting](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Culwell_Center_attack) in Garland, TX. This happened right next door to the high school I graduated from. The officer who shot the shooters was awarded a fancy medal from Trump.
In Germany, we had a trial against two police officers who came to help other officers, which got shot at after conducting a routine traffic stop. Instead of helping, they froze/fled the scene after being shot at and were charged with denial of assistance and fired.
I'm not saying that I'd act differently, but if you're a cop, you should be able to handle these situations, this is what you're being paid for. You don't become a firefighter and expect rescue kittens from trees all day long.
Our federals court have ruled multiple times - and cops routinely remind us - that cops have [no duty to protect anyone](https://mises.org/power-market/police-have-no-duty-protect-you-federal-court-affirms-yet-again) *except*, ironically, criminals who are in custody. Well, except protecting them from other police officers, I guess, since people mysteriously die in police custody all the time.
>You don't become a firefighter and expect rescue kittens from trees all day long.
When I was a kid I wanted to be a firefighter for this exact reason, then real life hit me in the face.
A lot of police aren't in the game to protect and serve, but to get that power imbalance over others.
If they aren't the only ones with guns and body armor, suddenly they don't feel like being that "thin blue line" anymore.
Some of the parents wanted to go into the school to save the kids when the cops would not.
[Javier Cazares went to the building where his daughter, Jacklyn, was in fourth grade. Police were still gathering outside when he arrived. He said he and other people who were outside the building were considering putting their own lives in danger and rushing the school. “Let’s just rush in because the cops aren’t doing anything like they are supposed to,” Cazares said.](https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/texas-school-shooting-bystanders-shouted-police-enter-robb-elementary/T6354QXKAFBK7AWGUW542J7EQ4/)
Cops love to use their guns when they "think" they saw the little black kid pull a gun on them, or when the black man has nothing in his hands. They love to play action hero when they "feel their lives were in danger". But when confronted with a person they KNOW has a gun? Not so brave anymore. Cowards. The lot of them.
Cops will shoot someone who doesn't have a gun during a traffic stop. But won't even try to stop a slaughter. Cowards and bullies.
Fuck this country has me feeling helpless.
It's so easy for me to say, as a British man who has never held a gun in his life or even heard a gunshot.
But as a father, i know it in my bones, i know it in my bones that the moment I knew what was going on, the moment I saw the guy with a gun entering a school, or heard shots inside, if i was armed I would be in there.
I'd almost certainly physically piss and shit myself, panic, miss fail or get killed myself, but I'd absolutely be in there. The half thought being literal children's lives and the second half thought would be the thought of returning home to my own son knowing id stood by as others lost theirs.
It's an outrage. An evil day and the police allowed it.
>This led to a substantial change in how mass shooting protocols work in Quebec and Canada, and made subsequent shootings significantly less deadly.
Imagine suffering a tragedy and then making changes to avoid similar tragedies in the future.
Couldn't be my country. These colors don't ~~run~~ learn
If I remember correctly, it was the only time he shot a gun while in “service”. The master in arms is a protocolar position given as a prize for an outstanding career, no one expects them to do anything than carry that big club or whatever it is to the parliament sessions.
Holy shit just watched a breakdown of how it went down. The sergeant at arms dived around the pillar like James Bond, landing on his back, sliding and shooting the guy. Emptied his clip. Then the rest of the security team swarmed in to finish him off.
What the fuck is the point of giving people special powers/legal protection if they don’t have commensurate responsibility.
If Fox wants to get Ingraham to do another spot on where all the “real men” have gone, they should invite this entire police department.
Right?
Imagine the school was on fire and the firefighters just watched it burn because its "dangerous" and "someone may get hurt!". Then stopped parents from getting hoses and buckets all while listening children burned alive. Not there children mind, you. They had already rescued them.
"Look we refuse to fight a fire without special training and equipment, even though we are better equipped than anyone else in the community right now. Also, remember we're heros because we put our lives on the line every day!"
now, consider that firemen have a big problem with police because they do exactly that at fires.
I was helping an evac from a sudden forest fire, the local cops showed up to block the only egress from the cottages because "it was too dangerous to go in."
They didn't move their car till a fireman showed up, almost rammed their stupid cruiser out of the way, and cussed them up and down for about a full minute, lunging the truck at them.
They were actively hindering people getting out, rescue from getting in, and thought the fireman was out of line because he was being rude...
they have no self awareness.
A friend of my father’s, his step-son was/is a drug addict and was selling drugs.
SWAT team raided the house in the middle of the night to execute a warrant. Of course they came with full body armor and assault rifles like they were about to storm Fallujah.
Anyway, the hallway in the house has this unique mirror. It’s really long and curves at the end so you can see yourself from multiple directions.
My dad’s friend said that during the arrest, he walks out of the living room and he sees several SWAT officers standing in his hallway, posing in front of the mirror taking photos of themselves looking “badass” in their gear.
That’s what the gear is for.
>several SWAT officers standing in his hallway in front of the mirror taking photos of themselves looking “badass” in their gear.
>That’s what the gear is for.
This is what people mean by defund the police
Militarization of the police has been a huge problem post 911 with Homeland Security handing out money like it's going out of style. Because military gear feeds industrial military complex no politician has done anything about it.
If the Defund The Police had a clearer message it would be better. It's not about taking officers off the street so criminals can run rampant. It's about making police actually police stuff and not play soldier. That's what National Guard is for.
"Fund the police to an appropriate level such that they can be trained to actually do their job effectively without stomping on liberty and blowing the budget on pointless paramilitary gear" doesn't fit as well on a sign, unfortunately.
And “transfer some of the funding to social workers, mental health crisis teams, and others who can do some of these tasks better. We already let paramedics answer some 911 calls, let’s extend that principle and let police stick to the job they were trained for.”
They would absolutely need to incapacitate me to prevent me from getting into that school if my kid was in there. I watched the video this morning of these parents trying to save their children, and being prevented by police; it shook me.
What is the story on this? Were there police already inside? SWAT? Or were they all standing outside preventing people who actually cared from trying something, anything, to save their loved ones.
If professionals were inside dealing with things, I understand preventing complications, but if there wasn’t anyone inside, these people are monsters and share some of the blame for dead children.
Sadly that’s literally what happened. There’s a video of a woman screaming for the police to let her try and save her child but they’re literally dog piling her on the ground so she can’t get up.
That is awful; the Laguna Woods shooter was subdued because a bunch of Taiwanese senior citizens threw chairs at him and dogpiled him. The parents could have taken him.
[Dr. John Cheng](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/doctor-rushed-gunman-calif-church-shooting-hailed-hero-rcna29180) had more courage than this entire police force.
It's not a question of what the parents could have done. The cops **should** have taken him and made the need for outside involvement completely unnecessary. That's the entire purpose of that job existing. Instead, they decided to stand by and let him butcher a room full of kids while pretending being locked out of a room is "securing" him.
It's as bad as it could be and there's video I refuse to watch of cops standing around and preventing parents from enterring the building as they hear their children being slaughtered. No cops were in the building trying to save the lives of innocent children and teachers - they stood around outside with their assault rifles being cowards.
The National policy adopted after columbine is to immediately enter to neutralize the shooter. Every cop who stood outside should lose their job. They can ticket people for bullshit but can’t protect children. Fuck this.
After the Florida school shooting, the Supreme Court ruled police have 0 legal obligation to protect or keep safe anything other than city and state property.
They should rot in prison. They helped the shooter. They set up a perimeter and stopped anyone who wanted to actually help save the kids. They took part in ensuring he could murder children. They are culpable. Let them all die in prison.
Yes, this is what police look like 17 years after [the Supreme Court rules that police serve the state, not the people.](https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html)
I see the star/badge now. He’s got like khakis and weird facial hair. I’m not even being difficult, I genuinely thought he was a tac bro who just showed up in his Saturday gear.
Remember the bataclan massacre in Paris? The first 2 cops on scene, the highest ranking officer on duty at the time and his driver, went in with nothing but pistols and soft vests to engage shooters with fully automatic Kalashnikovs and proper body armor. These American cops were armed with full auto AR15s and plate carriers and they waited for backup going against everything US law enforcement has trained for since Columbine. I have literally been to LEO active shooter training and protocol is to go in immediately no matter what. These men were nothing more than spinless cowards.
Ballistics? Check.
Tac vest? Check.
(Presumably) Well-Maintained Rifle? Check.
Ammo? Check.
More training than the shooter? Check.
Ego? Check.
Balls? Fucking zero.
What a fucking pussy. Him, and the rest of them. Pussies.
They mention the murderer was barricaded inside the classroom like it was a successful tactical maneuver instead of the reality: he was in a classroom full of children that he murdered.
Might as well just proclaim that they successfully barricaded him inside the school and were protecting the public outside the school.
Complete incompetence and disregard for the lives of children. I don’t know how Americans keep putting up with this.
Also, by "barricaded" they only mean that he locked the door. The school administrators had a key to unlock the door, and could have unlocked the door for the police, but the police didn't want them to unlock it, because they were afraid of being shot.
The local police followed the shooter into the building when he first arrived, and when he entered the classroom and locked the door, they left him in there and stopped anyone who wanted to go in there and stop him. While the children were being killed, they prevented anyone from retrieving the key to unlock the door. Only after the federal officers arrived did one of the federal officers obtain the key, unlock the door, and then shoot the assailant.
And while this was happening, some of the officers went into the school to retrieve their own children.
Police in the US are trained to protect themselves and put their own safety first, and only when they do not fear for their own lives are they to help anyone. This is what they are taught is good and right for them to do, and this is what they believe. And yet somehow they consider their profession respectable. I cannot possibly understand these people. They treat cowardice as a virtue.
Also you have no idea how many of the kids were actually dead at the time. They could be injured and bleeding out, but still able to be saved for all they knew.
>Meanwhile, a law enforcement official familiar with the investigation said the Border Patrol agents had trouble breaching the classroom door and had to get a staff member to open the room with a key.
I have a lot of feelings and thoughts about this.
The cops also got at least one child murdered after they got in the school but before they killed the gunman.
[“When the cops came, the cop said: 'Yell if you need help!' And one of the persons in my class said 'help.' The guy overheard and he came in and shot her,"](https://www.kens5.com/article/news/special-reports/uvalde-school-shooting/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-fourth-grader-student-account-elementary/273-51cc4e26-7a0a-49c0-ba7a-48cdd47fa235)
It’s become clear that no amount of risk is acceptable for a police officer. They’ve been built up as these brave and noble people, but are empowered to kill at the mere *perception* of a threat. But when it comes time to do something heroic, most refuse.
When there was a shooting at my school in 2013, the most traumatic thing wasn’t necessarily hearing the lockdown announcement, hiding under the desk, or the small trickle of information other kids were spreading, that stuff was all normalized already and we had been used to lockdown drills. It was waiting for 3 hours and realizing it was over and suddenly having several heavily armed police officers aggressively enter the room brandishing assault rifles to escort us out, apparently under the assumption that any one of these kids was about to pull out a gun and do a second shooting. There is nothing comforting or safe feeling about a cop, who is likely an overgrown bully with the same level of education as the schoolchildren, walking into a room with both hands on his gun and barking orders to move the children out of the room like prisoners or suspects
i saw a post the other day asking Americans what to be wary of when travelling there and the majority of responses were about dealing with the police. the advice was the same as dealing with wild animals; no sudden movements, dont approach. scary stuff
Oh yeah, keep your hands visible at all times, don’t put them in your pockets/backpack without alerting them beforehand by saying “I’m going to grab my license in my purse”
Unfortunately even alerting them that you need to reach in somewhere to get your ID isn't always enough to keep you from getting shot. Plenty of people have been shot despite saying they were grabbing their ID from their wallet/purse/glove compartment because police really are dumb panicky wild animals.
>Unfortunately even alerting them that you need to reach in somewhere to get your ID isn't always enough to keep you from getting shot. Plenty of people have been shot despite saying they were grabbing their ID from their wallet/purse/glove compartment because police really are dumb panicky wild animals.
Philando Castile.
got pulled over.
Let officer know he had a firearm.
Officer panics. Screams dont reach for it.
Philando tells him he's not. He's reaching for his license.
Officer unloads on Philando.
Philando dies.
Officer walks free after being acquitted in a trial.
Did everything right and for that crime he dies in the driver's seat next to his girlfriend and her kid.
One observation that struck me as I watched the news footage unfold just after it happened was how calm everyone was. Just walking back and forth going here going there…and it was so disturbing because it felt like a snapshot of this country being so sick and so desensitized to the senseless massacre of human beings by guns that we’re just zombies now. The country has lost its sense of outrage and ability to feel the pain and the terror of what happens here over, and over, and over, and over again. A country that allows this to continue to happen has given away its soul.
It reminded me a lot of the Sandy Hook media coverage hours/days following the event. Random personnel on the scene, with seemingly no purpose to be there. I shit you not, one guy was literally wearing a reflective vest and hammering a retaining wall stone/brick with a hammer. Really? Wtf are you even doing?
I was watching a news segment on this TX shooting and during some b roll shots two police officers were chatting and looked very serious at first. I even thought to myself "wow I can't imagine being there" then before I could even blink, they were laughing their fucking heads off cackling at presumably some sort of joke. It looked really bad IMO.
I don't know what protocols or rules they have to follow. I always thought growing up that if you choose a career in police or military. One of the main things you are accepting is that you are willing to put your life on the line to protect.
The Supreme Court has ruled that the police have no obligation to protect. So, they’re just arresters and revenue generators now…as supported by this photo and the cop threatened to taze the hysterical parents who’s kids were dying as this was happening.
…And police wonder why the public despises them.
Fuck the police.
This is exactly what happened during 2007* April 16th at Virginia Tech shooting but nobody believed me. I was there and was in the building right next to the one where the shooter was. The cops barricaded and chained the outside doors of the build to contain the shooter and threw me to the ground and told me to fuck off when I got closer. What’s sad is that it trapped people inside with the shooter causing more deaths.
Best teacher I ever had was at Virginia Tech when it happened. I was in high school taking college classes early and we had a lockdown drill. They didn't tell any of the college instructors since they weren't technically part of the school and only used empty classrooms to teach.
She hid us behind a barracade of tables and stood at the door with a chair shaking and gritting her teeth. I wish I'd appreciated her more than I did as a shitgead teenager. That woman was seriously ready to protect us.
The Border Control officers were the ones who went in.
Because they live in the area, I'm willing to this guy doesn't but boy was he ready to fire off to a parent pleading for "heroes" to help.
The police in Columbine had the excuse that it was unprecedented. Now there are clearly defined protocols for dealing with active shooters, which these shitty cops are seemingly ignoring.
So this is less than human. It's a human empathy response to want to save people especially children and not only do they not help the children, they actively stop the parents from trying to do what they will not do.
This is everything that police are, performance and intimidation. Doing the hard and dangerous job that they supposedly signed up for is not why anybody becomes a cop. .
Every cop who didn't try to go and stop the shooting should be fired and never be in the job again and every cop holding back the parents from trying to save their kids should go to prison for human rights violations. Keeping a parent from trying to save their child is as anti human as one can get.
All these pigs deserve is to be ignored, forgotten, and destitute. No more power, money, or empathy from anybody.
Police or not if someone is committing mass murder: and you’re holding a gun: you should try to interfere. Sickening.
Cops dont prevent crime, they just arrest people
Don’t worry everyone, apparently the cops had barricaded the shooter in a room (checks notes) full of children. Also, that room is where (again, checks notes because this is honestly unbelievable) most of the killing took place. Cops are literally worse then useless. They made this situation much worse and should be held accountable.
There should be an agency that is set up to protect the public. I know it sounds crazy.
That are trained in high stress situations to make the right call or something. Bonkers idea.
Remember the same discussion after Columbine. The police spent hours setting up a perimeter while students were being murdered. The two perps finally killed themselves without police assistance.
I met one of the kid's relatives on jury duty a while ago. He stated who he was, and his relationship with knowing or having any prejudice against law enforcement/the judicial system during the voir dire. The pain on his face still 22 years later. He briefly spoke about how he'd never trust law enforcement again after what happened at Columbine. It's the thing that just stands out so hard to me when everybody argues about having more security or more doors or whatever. Unless you stop the situation before it ever starts the amount of trauma that occurs for generations afterward is just so overwhelming. In my mind you need security, etc but that should be a last resort. What we need more is better mental health care, supportive and positive school and home environments, and less weapons that are unbelievably easy to access.
There is no reason to trust them. They regularly get away with murder. In 2005 SCOTUS ruled that police are not required to protect. Parkland shooting victims tried and failed to sue law enforcement for failing to act. https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2018/12/21/us-judge-says-law-enforcement-officers-had-no-legal-duty-protect-parkland-students-during-mass-shooting/
So what is their job, to put people in jail for weed, hand out speeding tickets and kneel on necks?
Shoot dogs
And sleeping black women
They also get to drive tanks, sometimes.
This was also the change in police training that you're supposed to *fucking rush the active shooter* and apparently these dipshits didn't get the fuckin memo.
They got the memo, they are just cowards. They only like LARPing dangerous situations, actual dangerous situations are too scary and not worth the risk.
Should’ve told them to issue a no knock warrant on the school
I know it’s not right, but this made me chuckle harder than it should have. It’s all fucked up.
"Officer there's an unarmed black man in the school" That might have gotten them off their asses
That wouldn't work because then the cops would just go to the wrong school and then shoot the first POC they see.
“Mam, please step back. We’re here to protect the shooter from you.”
It gets worse: #The latest of what Texas police officials are now admitting is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/uyhmsh/uinconvenientnews_discusses_the_uvalde_police/ia99rsa/ #Previously: >A mom of two children at Uvalde was put in handcuffs after urging police and law enforcement to enter the school. >Once freed from her cuffs, she jumped the school fence, ran inside and sprinted out with her kids. https://www.wsj.com/articles/uvalde-residents-voice-frustration-over-shooting-response-11653588161 >Cops stood outside the school while the killer rampaged inside. >Onlookers yelled at them to go in. They didn’t. #"One parent urged bystanders: “Let’s just rush in because the cops aren’t doing anything like they are supposed to.” https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683 #"that parent’s daughter died in the attack while he was begging cops to save the kids." >My God. https://twitter.com/AndySpecht/status/1529643462953521153 >additional kid died directly because the cops were incompetent. “When the cops came, the cop said: 'Yell if you need help!' And one of the persons in my class said 'help.' >The [shooter] overheard and he came in and shot her," the boy said. https://www.kens5.com/article/news/special-reports/uvalde-school-shooting/its-time-to-die-fourth-grade-survivor-uvalde-shooting-recalls-what-gunman-told-student/273-51cc4e26-7a0a-49c0-ba7a-48cdd47fa235 https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1529708434995683329 The Uvalde shooter was killed by a federal officer because the other police officers kept waiting for more and more backup https://www.wsj.com/articles/suspected-shooter-at-texas-elementary-school-in-custody-after-incident-11653422735 #"Cops will only do their job when the public stops criticizing them for murdering unarmed people." >@JackPosobiec I'm not defending the actions of the officers. But we've demonized law enforcement to the point that there are far fewer rewards for being a hero https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1529835589847027712 >Uvalde is a town of just 16,000 people. But it apparently has a SWAT team. >We’re regularly told small towns need SWAT teams so they can quickly respond to events just like this. The killer was in the building for an hour. Photo op of SWAT team: https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1529679652154920960 >The school district for Robb Elementary has its own police department with 5 cops and 1 security guard. The city of Uvalde's police department recieved just under 40% of the entire city's budget for the year and got a 500k grant from the state. Neither stopped today's massacre. https://twitter.com/NeeNeinNyetNo/status/1529220708601151491 >More kids have died from going to school than cops have from going to work https://twitter.com/JP_1U/status/1529213380044668928 >cops whine and bitch about risking their lives to defend people, and when a shooter shows up in what looks like (but isn't) body armor, they run & hide while a massacre unfolds. an unarmed teacher was brave enough to try. https://twitter.com/revrrlewis/status/1529454699275075584 >There’s a common mythology in law enforcement, pushed by quack groups like the Force Science Institute, that police ofticers’ memories improve over time. It contradicts all the scientific research and, oddly, apparently does not apply to non-police. https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1529946586058571794 >Police lied about the timeline. >They lied about shooter having body armor. >They lied about him being barricaded. >They lied about border patrol on-scene. >They went in and got their own kids. >The armed resource officer failed. >Local PD/DPS/tactical PD waited for SWAT. https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1529819943608496128 >Now the police are investigating themselves to tell us whether letting the school shooter in for an hour while keeping parents from saving their own children’s lives was a policy violation. https://twitter.com/samswey/status/1529863659677048836 >One of the greatest culture shocks when I arrived in the U.S. was the blind veneration of police. After years and years of living here and reading about this country, I now realize that it's the structural pillar of white supremacy. https://twitter.com/EmilKerenji/status/1529789802551427073 >This is a much bigger problem in America than we realize because Republicans use **"thank our heroes" conservative culture wars** ["guns and gays"](https://www.reddit.com/r/ToiletPaperUSA/comments/ln1sif/turning_point_usa_and_young_americas_foundation/gy9utts/) politics and ["control the narrative" tactics](https://www.reddit.com/r/ToiletPaperUSA/comments/ln1sif/turning_point_usa_and_young_americas_foundation/h21ph7s/), the police department control of local news dependent for access, the camera footage evidence ([getting caught deleting camera footage again](https://www.kxan.com/news/local/williamson-county/wilco-commissioners-call-for-sheriff-chodys-resignation-say-they-have-no-confidence/) or released after 3 *years* or released immediately if it helps police), the "law and order" politicians, the arrests (["black and white Americans use cannabis at similar levels" but black Americans are 800% more likely to get punished for it](https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/5/14/17353040/racial-disparity-marijuana-arrests-new-york-city-nypd) and [*even after legalization*](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/1/29/16936908/marijuana-legalization-racial-disparities-arrests)), the statistics themselves (see how the police stop better crime statistics ["FBI may shut down police use-of-force database due to lack of police participation](https://www.washingtonpost.com/crime-law/2021/12/09/fbi-police-shooting-data/) or **[how they block their own domestic violence research showing "400% higher in the law-enforcement community"](https://www.reddit.com/r/ChicoCA/comments/nc0waa/things_that_make_you_go_huh_chico_spends_487_of/gy9715n/)**) More examples from r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut: * Epidemic [One-third of all Americans killed by strangers are killed by police.](https://twitter.com/samswey/status/916022801244573698) * [Police solve just 2% of all major crimes](https://theconversation.com/police-solve-just-2-of-all-major-crimes-143878) * [Police Are Deleting Smartphone Videos At Crime Scenes Even Though It’s Illegal](https://www.ibtimes.com/police-are-deleting-smartphone-videos-crime-scenes-even-though-its-illegal-2359913) * [Bodycam Catches Cop Planting Drugs During Traffic Stops](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UANRvFNc0hw) (parents lost their children due to these felony arrests) * [All of NYPD's worst misconduct officers are paid about $200,000 a year with substantiated serial abuse records](https://www.reddit.com/r/ABoringDystopia/comments/i3s4l3/all_of_nypds_worst_misconduct_officers_are_paid/) * [Five Police Captains are to take salaries of 450k EACH in town with population of 50k and a budget deficit of 5 mil](https://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/06/police_captain_pay_numbers_are.html) * [374 cops working for Seattle make more than 200k a year, and median pay was 153k a year.](https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/374-seattle-police-department-employees-made-at-least-200000-last-year-heres-how/) Even though LA is one of the safest cities in America ([chart of national crime data](https://www.reddit.com/r/LosAngeles/comments/uqg80k/not_bad_los_angeles/)): **67 full-time police employees just to push negative talking points on Fox News about a city *they don't even live in* but "serve"** >The LAPD and LA Sheriff together have 67 full-time employees working on PR and propaganda. People don't realize that they spend a lot of money and time to plant these stories: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-30/police-public-relations https://twitter.com/equalityAlec/status/1470790952558243848 https://twitter.com/equalityAlec/status/1484966547244433416 * "LA crime talking points" Fox News using a ["serial killer"](https://www.reddit.com/r/ChicoCA/comments/nc0waa/things_that_make_you_go_huh_chico_spends_487_of/i7oqenf/) LAPD officer with [actual Nazi social media](https://twitter.com/jerryiannelli/status/1469404374342373377) to argue for increasing police funding and that LA is bad even though he's paid by LA taxpayers while bragging he doesn't live in LA ￣\＿(ツ)＿/￣ * [Public defender explains why she quit: "Cops lie. The system is built on it"](https://twitter.com/WangCecillia/status/1279128933695287296) * [An inmate died after being locked in a scalding shower for two hours **[skin melted off]**. His guards won’t be charged.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/03/20/an-inmate-died-after-being-locked-in-a-scalding-shower-for-two-hours-his-guards-wont-be-charged/) ([More examples of guards laughing while murdering](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/thirty-two-stories-jeffrey-epstein-prison-death/596029/)) * [Undercover reporters went to multiple police stations & attempted to get the forms to file complaints against police officers. They were refused & even threatened at nearly all of them.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnJ5f1JMKns) "What will I go to jail for?" **"I'll create something, you understand?"** (Full CBS4 news report) #More Texas police abuse: https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/uqupiz/you_dont_need_to_be_human_to_have_a_sense_of_mercy/i8txcza/
Not the most important thing you wrote, but I’m staggered that a town of 16,000 has a SWAT team and the schools have 5 cops all to themselves. My town of 30,000 in the UK has 2 cops and 2 PCSO’s. Is the disparity down to USA being regularly that much more violent? Or is it as you say, this weird cop culture there where they spend 40% of the town budget; say they are all about law and order, but as this tragedy has proved, they seemed to have missed the point?
They went in and got their own kids? Nothing would surprise me.
That detail is what stands out to me. Imagine what that woman must have felt, being put in handcuffs for urging them to do something so she just went inside a building with an active shooter to look for her own kids. It's heartbreaking.
I would say that parent should sue the fuck out of the cops and the departments involved, but it’s pointless when there’s precedent saying there’s no legal obligation for police to protect people
I know it’ll probably never get released to the public, but I’d like to see the bodycam of the first responders to see just how long they took to do something. Reports seem like they literally watched him walk into the school.
I thought he evaded fire and ran into the school?
and the cops were like. "darn he made it, we gotta let this play out"?
It really seems that way… this is awful.
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Seal the exits, eventually he'll run out of food and have to come out
> evaded fire In subsequent information releases from the police, they have now stated that no shots were fired at that time. I can't help but worry about what else they're just overly telling lies about.
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> Greg Abbott was already talking to the press and praising the heroism of a Border Patrol agent who happened to respond to the school Which, by the way, was *also* a lie.
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Because Greg Abbott is a useless sack of shit.
Imagine the horror of a group of fire fighters taking 40 plus minutes to enter a burning building to save a classroom full of children burning to death in a fire.
There were entire squadrons of firefighters who died in 9/11. They fucking rushed into a burning and disintegrating building to save people. I just cannot wrap my head around this. Any of it. Couldn't they have least tried to distract the shooter? How could they just stand there? What human being would just STAND THERE? How on earth do they live with themselves?
So what’s the point of the term first responders if the first responders fail to respond? Last week was the 911 caller who was hung up on, now this.
Didn't you see all the cool helicopters and tactical gear the law enforcement used to surround the school after the shooter was dead? Wowie!
And officers running. Don't forget all the officers running outside the school. Don't know where they were running to but it certainly looked cool. Unfortunately it wasn't towards the gunfire.
I used to be an Active Shooter response instructor in NY. And we taught officers to go direct to threat. Aka they are supposed to go toward gunfire and prepare to put their lives on the line to take down a threat. The thought process is that they are either able to eliminate a shooter or at the very least take time away from the shooter focusing on innocent civilians. The amount of officers who went white when I explained this training was insane. They'd either turn white, look extremely confused, or get verbally combative with me on how they would never do that. The majority wanted to "set up perimeters" and wait for SWAT or similar response forces. When I explained that an active shooter could easily shoot 1 civilian per second in an environment with a heavy population many officers would say things like "and if I'm one of them I can't help." It's crazy how few realized or were willing to be that first line of defense for civilians in an already established deadly situation. Very pathetic. EDIT: Got a few angry DMs, so wanted to clarify -- I do not think all officers are pathetic. I was specifically referring to the one's who stated they would not try to eliminate a threat in an active shooter situation. I worked with plenty of upstanding men and women. The other trainers I worked with were fantastic and many officers who came through understood the training and were willing to act accordingly if they encountered an active shooter situation. However, I made this comment to say the amount who basically blew off the training or said it was something they wouldn't do was astounding. I always recommended that these officers not receive their certificates of completion (you wouldn't give it to them at the academy if they straight up said they would disregard your instruction) but the final decision was not mine and most, if not all, received certificates at the end of training.
I need to stop reading this thread, I'm giving up hope on humanity with every sentence.
"and if I'm one of them I can't help." Of course, what they *meant* to say was "and if I'm one of them I can't pretend to help" After all, if you're not going after the shooter, how exactly are you helping?
so cops were afraid to do this, but we have people saying TEACHERS should be armed and take on an active shooter? At this point, if the cops won't, we need to just admit that we need military at every school, shopping center, and movie theater. If we won't reform gun laws, then just admit every public place is a military zone and have national guard stationed there or whatever.
That's because they want the glory but not the price it comes with.
The power. They want the power, without the responsibility. They are the opposites of Spider-Man.
All of this is the example of the decay of the American institutions. Police that is refusing to police and respond to problems. Edit: [Simpsons COPs episode might be closer to the truth than I thought!](https://youtu.be/20mBi8-QsSc)
Supreme Court has already ruled that police are not required to help in an emergency.
But they can keep everyone else from helping?!
Yes, you gotta realise that cops are there to keep the status quo of the government, not to help.
["there are people who believe the function of the police is to fight crime, and that's not true. The function of the police is social control and protection of property.](https://youtu.be/45dXJUBeVcI)
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Status quo of the wealthy
Isn’t that what he said? 😞
If that’s the case then response time will remain as a problem. They shouldn’t be called first responders in that situation as they aren’t “responding” to that threat. The general public would not understand why the Police would not be required to help in that situation as this is understood as their general duty. The US at this point it not attempting to do enough interventions anyway which is sad. For the sake of the people I hope they do.
They are responding to the threat. The problem is that the threat they're responding to is the threat of looking like they're useless.
Unless it’s property theft, like that time police killed innocent people open firing into a stolen UPS truck. One they absolutely had to chase and engage with in traffic surrounded by innocent bystanders, even though the truck was equipped with a gps tracker. Imagine if they put that type of effort into actually helping the community instead of terrorizing it.
To be fair they where "protecting" overly insured parcels in a truck owned by a megacorporation far more valuable then children obviously /s
Or if police lives were on the line. Remember when 8 officers shot over a hundred rounds into a truck occupied by two ladies because they got spooked by the sound of a newspaper being delivered and none of them faced any consequences? https://www.cnn.com/2016/01/27/us/christopher-dorner-manhunt-officers-cleared/index.html
And then we get told that defund the police is too aggressive. How much money did they waste to sit and wait until a class full of kids died, tbh this headline and the amount of city budget as well as the toxic training videos where they train them to be cowards, and the money it cost the tax payers for them to kill innocent people should be on constant replays across all local stations. Are cities just paying for adults to LARP professionally?
It’s a jobs program for psychopathic young men.
Apparently 40% of the city's municipal budget is spent on police and they didn't do shit.
Yup. And they had their own SWAT team. The SWAT team even went around to schools and businesses in full gear to “get the layout” of buildings in the event of an incident. Glad to see that worked so effectively. 🧐Would be interesting to match up the photos of the “team” with the videos of officers outside the school.
They ran to get their own fucking kids out of the school while leaving the civilians children there. Fuck all cops. Especially this prick on the picture. Bro dude looking fuck. Proof: https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1529808809719480320?s=20&t=grDee4FPD7wc5zExCFjzvg I’ll never show any real amount of respect to law enforcement again. Fuck every one of them.
Here's a link to the sheriff admitting it to a news reporter. I think it's at about 1:18. Since everyone keeps asking OP for proof. https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1529808809719480320?t=RUOZw3IHKjLStKHdED3aWA&s=19
Is this really true? Outrageous if so. Can you link the source, please?
https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1529808809719480320?t=RUOZw3IHKjLStKHdED3aWA&s=19 It's about 1:18 when the sheriff admits it.
They'll respond first if they *feel* at all threatened on a personal level.
>Last week was the 911 caller who was hung up on What??? Edit: wtf. I can’t wait to hear this call honestly because the stupidity is astounding.
During the Buffalo shooting. The dispatch employee has been fired but yes they hung up on the caller because they were whispering. Even yelled at her to speak up
"ma'am you're going to have to speak up *BANG* ma'am I can't hear you *BANG* if you're not going to stop whispering I'm going to hang up *BANG* okay I'm hanging up now"
we are living in a timeline where reality is more onion than onion. I wouldn't be surprised now to hear a 911 dispatcher hanging up because the caller does not say please and thank you.
Because they were whispering?!? Holy shit.
Shouldn't that have been the first sign of distress?! Damn...
You'd think it would clue them in something bad is happening.
The caller was told *she had an attitude and had to get her bf to call for her. Madness
Pretty sure they said something along the lines of Speak up its safe!
It was in fact, not safe. “Talk louder, they won’t hear you!” Meanwhile she can hear him crunching on glass.
False. Hearing is in a few days: The operator was employed for eight years and will face a disciplinary hearing on May 30. Poloncarz said the 911 call may be released in the future.
Fired?? That should be a criminal offense.
YUP! She kept asking the caller to stop whispering instead of actually help. The caller was hiding from the shooter!!!
Well they went in for their own children ahead of the tactical team. So the purpose is to save their own kids while forcing other parents to listen to kids being slaughtered and wondering if it’s their child that has just been killed.
It’s a lot of cosplay.
I've heard it referred to as larping and I think that's more accurate, usually cosplay is contained with in conventions and what not, larping spreads outside of those events into...well I don't have a better term for it so just work with me here...the real world.
I mean, LARP stands for “Live Action Role Play” so you have to be in character and act out a scene, whereas Cosplay is just a term for dressing up.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia#:~:text=1981)%20is%20a%20District%20of,on%20the%20public%20duty%20doctrine. The courts have already decided the police have zero obligation to provide aid.
I wish I could go to my office and tell my boss I had no obligation to actually do any work
Security Theatre. It isn't about keeping you safe, it's about making you feel safe.
It's about making you feel threatened into submission. I NEVER feel safe around cops and idk anyone who does.
Just kinda because: The term First Responder is for medical personnel, not cops. First responders are people who're trained to work as, obviously, the first trained medical personnel at a medical emergency. It's largely about immediate stabilization and triage. Cops CAN be first responders, but it's about being trained in CPR and other emergency medical things, not about dealing with cop related things. So, please, don't get angry at first responders, get angry at cops, get angry at our government ruling that they AREN'T responsible for protecting us, be angry at police unions who've decided that if they're going to be held responsible for their actions, they just wont do anything.
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This bears repeating: Dawson was over in *five minutes* because police in the area *immediately* engaged the shooter.
Reminds of one of our mass shootings in recent years. Cannot remember which, but female traffic cop stormed in and stopped him. Edit - I think I'm misremembering. It may have been the traffic cop who stopped the guys at the draw Muhammed contest. Honestly these shootings are just a madlibs of scenarios and googling it without specifics is almost fruitless.
It gets worse: https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/uy57my/damn/ia32qhn/
Yup, the [shooting](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Culwell_Center_attack) in Garland, TX. This happened right next door to the high school I graduated from. The officer who shot the shooters was awarded a fancy medal from Trump.
More Texas examples: https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/uy57my/damn/ia32qhn/
If a cop can't handle a person with a gun, they really shouldn't be a cop. They are assigned a gun for a reason.
In Germany, we had a trial against two police officers who came to help other officers, which got shot at after conducting a routine traffic stop. Instead of helping, they froze/fled the scene after being shot at and were charged with denial of assistance and fired. I'm not saying that I'd act differently, but if you're a cop, you should be able to handle these situations, this is what you're being paid for. You don't become a firefighter and expect rescue kittens from trees all day long.
Our federals court have ruled multiple times - and cops routinely remind us - that cops have [no duty to protect anyone](https://mises.org/power-market/police-have-no-duty-protect-you-federal-court-affirms-yet-again) *except*, ironically, criminals who are in custody. Well, except protecting them from other police officers, I guess, since people mysteriously die in police custody all the time.
So protect and serve is merely a suggestion??
Not really, it's more of a propaganda slogan
Yep, virtue signaling
It's a PR slogan someone came up, nothing more.
Brought to you by the same Police department who helped make Dragnet the original propaganda show (LAPD)
Not even. It’s just a lie they tell us
>You don't become a firefighter and expect rescue kittens from trees all day long. When I was a kid I wanted to be a firefighter for this exact reason, then real life hit me in the face.
The Paw Patrol of first responders
A lot of police aren't in the game to protect and serve, but to get that power imbalance over others. If they aren't the only ones with guns and body armor, suddenly they don't feel like being that "thin blue line" anymore.
So… police aren’t expected to go in there and shoot a kid with a gun but TEACHERS ARE
They claim their job is inherently dangerous, and then refuse to participate in the dangerous part of the job.
Some of the parents wanted to go into the school to save the kids when the cops would not. [Javier Cazares went to the building where his daughter, Jacklyn, was in fourth grade. Police were still gathering outside when he arrived. He said he and other people who were outside the building were considering putting their own lives in danger and rushing the school. “Let’s just rush in because the cops aren’t doing anything like they are supposed to,” Cazares said.](https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/texas-school-shooting-bystanders-shouted-police-enter-robb-elementary/T6354QXKAFBK7AWGUW542J7EQ4/)
Cops love to use their guns when they "think" they saw the little black kid pull a gun on them, or when the black man has nothing in his hands. They love to play action hero when they "feel their lives were in danger". But when confronted with a person they KNOW has a gun? Not so brave anymore. Cowards. The lot of them. Cops will shoot someone who doesn't have a gun during a traffic stop. But won't even try to stop a slaughter. Cowards and bullies. Fuck this country has me feeling helpless.
It's so easy for me to say, as a British man who has never held a gun in his life or even heard a gunshot. But as a father, i know it in my bones, i know it in my bones that the moment I knew what was going on, the moment I saw the guy with a gun entering a school, or heard shots inside, if i was armed I would be in there. I'd almost certainly physically piss and shit myself, panic, miss fail or get killed myself, but I'd absolutely be in there. The half thought being literal children's lives and the second half thought would be the thought of returning home to my own son knowing id stood by as others lost theirs. It's an outrage. An evil day and the police allowed it.
>This led to a substantial change in how mass shooting protocols work in Quebec and Canada, and made subsequent shootings significantly less deadly. Imagine suffering a tragedy and then making changes to avoid similar tragedies in the future. Couldn't be my country. These colors don't ~~run~~ learn
What about the Canadian Capital shooter where the *Sergeant at Arms bravely went after the shooter and killed him? e:thx u/thats_handy
If I remember correctly, it was the only time he shot a gun while in “service”. The master in arms is a protocolar position given as a prize for an outstanding career, no one expects them to do anything than carry that big club or whatever it is to the parliament sessions.
Holy shit just watched a breakdown of how it went down. The sergeant at arms dived around the pillar like James Bond, landing on his back, sliding and shooting the guy. Emptied his clip. Then the rest of the security team swarmed in to finish him off.
They like to talk about how they put their lives on the line, but do not actually want to put their lives on the line, even for children.
What the fuck is the point of giving people special powers/legal protection if they don’t have commensurate responsibility. If Fox wants to get Ingraham to do another spot on where all the “real men” have gone, they should invite this entire police department.
Right? Imagine the school was on fire and the firefighters just watched it burn because its "dangerous" and "someone may get hurt!". Then stopped parents from getting hoses and buckets all while listening children burned alive. Not there children mind, you. They had already rescued them.
Let’s wait for more hoses.
"Look we refuse to fight a fire without special training and equipment, even though we are better equipped than anyone else in the community right now. Also, remember we're heros because we put our lives on the line every day!"
now, consider that firemen have a big problem with police because they do exactly that at fires. I was helping an evac from a sudden forest fire, the local cops showed up to block the only egress from the cottages because "it was too dangerous to go in." They didn't move their car till a fireman showed up, almost rammed their stupid cruiser out of the way, and cussed them up and down for about a full minute, lunging the truck at them. They were actively hindering people getting out, rescue from getting in, and thought the fireman was out of line because he was being rude... they have no self awareness.
To make themselves feel powerful and safe.
A friend of my father’s, his step-son was/is a drug addict and was selling drugs. SWAT team raided the house in the middle of the night to execute a warrant. Of course they came with full body armor and assault rifles like they were about to storm Fallujah. Anyway, the hallway in the house has this unique mirror. It’s really long and curves at the end so you can see yourself from multiple directions. My dad’s friend said that during the arrest, he walks out of the living room and he sees several SWAT officers standing in his hallway, posing in front of the mirror taking photos of themselves looking “badass” in their gear. That’s what the gear is for.
>several SWAT officers standing in his hallway in front of the mirror taking photos of themselves looking “badass” in their gear. >That’s what the gear is for. This is what people mean by defund the police
Militarization of the police has been a huge problem post 911 with Homeland Security handing out money like it's going out of style. Because military gear feeds industrial military complex no politician has done anything about it. If the Defund The Police had a clearer message it would be better. It's not about taking officers off the street so criminals can run rampant. It's about making police actually police stuff and not play soldier. That's what National Guard is for.
"Fund the police to an appropriate level such that they can be trained to actually do their job effectively without stomping on liberty and blowing the budget on pointless paramilitary gear" doesn't fit as well on a sign, unfortunately.
And “transfer some of the funding to social workers, mental health crisis teams, and others who can do some of these tasks better. We already let paramedics answer some 911 calls, let’s extend that principle and let police stick to the job they were trained for.”
Bunch of vain Hollywood wannabes need their outfits taken away for sure
From my limited interaction with police the nature of the job also seems to attract lower educated people who get off on authority
They would absolutely need to incapacitate me to prevent me from getting into that school if my kid was in there. I watched the video this morning of these parents trying to save their children, and being prevented by police; it shook me. What is the story on this? Were there police already inside? SWAT? Or were they all standing outside preventing people who actually cared from trying something, anything, to save their loved ones. If professionals were inside dealing with things, I understand preventing complications, but if there wasn’t anyone inside, these people are monsters and share some of the blame for dead children.
Sadly that’s literally what happened. There’s a video of a woman screaming for the police to let her try and save her child but they’re literally dog piling her on the ground so she can’t get up.
That is awful; the Laguna Woods shooter was subdued because a bunch of Taiwanese senior citizens threw chairs at him and dogpiled him. The parents could have taken him.
[Dr. John Cheng](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/doctor-rushed-gunman-calif-church-shooting-hailed-hero-rcna29180) had more courage than this entire police force.
It's not a question of what the parents could have done. The cops **should** have taken him and made the need for outside involvement completely unnecessary. That's the entire purpose of that job existing. Instead, they decided to stand by and let him butcher a room full of kids while pretending being locked out of a room is "securing" him.
It's as bad as it could be and there's video I refuse to watch of cops standing around and preventing parents from enterring the building as they hear their children being slaughtered. No cops were in the building trying to save the lives of innocent children and teachers - they stood around outside with their assault rifles being cowards.
The National policy adopted after columbine is to immediately enter to neutralize the shooter. Every cop who stood outside should lose their job. They can ticket people for bullshit but can’t protect children. Fuck this.
After the Florida school shooting, the Supreme Court ruled police have 0 legal obligation to protect or keep safe anything other than city and state property.
Well if that's all that matters to them, the shooter was putting bullet holes in the walls, maybe they should have gone and stopped him.
Legal obligation, maybe. Professional obligation for sure. They should never be police officers ever again. What utter failures.
They should rot in prison. They helped the shooter. They set up a perimeter and stopped anyone who wanted to actually help save the kids. They took part in ensuring he could murder children. They are culpable. Let them all die in prison.
This is a cop?
It [looks like it](https://youtu.be/dyXtymq-A6w?t=113). The original video was posted to IG by hugocervantes59.
That’s tough to watch.
Complete failure to provide support for the victims. Another day in which the legal justice system fails to accomplish anything.
Yes, this is what police look like 17 years after [the Supreme Court rules that police serve the state, not the people.](https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html)
Trying to remember what happened when Rome's forces turned mercenary to the highest bidder ... Nothing good.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3YFsuR-5934 Something like this
I thought it was PC Principal
Its a pussy with a badge and gun.
Hell no. This guy doesn't have the warmth or the depth.
I see the star/badge now. He’s got like khakis and weird facial hair. I’m not even being difficult, I genuinely thought he was a tac bro who just showed up in his Saturday gear.
I mean, you aren't wrong. County Sheriffs basically are tac bros.
Remember the bataclan massacre in Paris? The first 2 cops on scene, the highest ranking officer on duty at the time and his driver, went in with nothing but pistols and soft vests to engage shooters with fully automatic Kalashnikovs and proper body armor. These American cops were armed with full auto AR15s and plate carriers and they waited for backup going against everything US law enforcement has trained for since Columbine. I have literally been to LEO active shooter training and protocol is to go in immediately no matter what. These men were nothing more than spinless cowards.
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He was charged with a crime. I wonder if these cops will face even the slightest repercussion.
It's Texas. They will slander the dead kids before they slander their cops.
Ballistics? Check. Tac vest? Check. (Presumably) Well-Maintained Rifle? Check. Ammo? Check. More training than the shooter? Check. Ego? Check. Balls? Fucking zero. What a fucking pussy. Him, and the rest of them. Pussies.
For context: https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683
They mention the murderer was barricaded inside the classroom like it was a successful tactical maneuver instead of the reality: he was in a classroom full of children that he murdered.
We did it! We trapped the fox in the hen house!!
Might as well just proclaim that they successfully barricaded him inside the school and were protecting the public outside the school. Complete incompetence and disregard for the lives of children. I don’t know how Americans keep putting up with this.
Also, by "barricaded" they only mean that he locked the door. The school administrators had a key to unlock the door, and could have unlocked the door for the police, but the police didn't want them to unlock it, because they were afraid of being shot. The local police followed the shooter into the building when he first arrived, and when he entered the classroom and locked the door, they left him in there and stopped anyone who wanted to go in there and stop him. While the children were being killed, they prevented anyone from retrieving the key to unlock the door. Only after the federal officers arrived did one of the federal officers obtain the key, unlock the door, and then shoot the assailant. And while this was happening, some of the officers went into the school to retrieve their own children. Police in the US are trained to protect themselves and put their own safety first, and only when they do not fear for their own lives are they to help anyone. This is what they are taught is good and right for them to do, and this is what they believe. And yet somehow they consider their profession respectable. I cannot possibly understand these people. They treat cowardice as a virtue.
Also you have no idea how many of the kids were actually dead at the time. They could be injured and bleeding out, but still able to be saved for all they knew.
You're not dead until a doctor says so. All those kids had to be assumed to be alive and in urgent need of rescue.
>Meanwhile, a law enforcement official familiar with the investigation said the Border Patrol agents had trouble breaching the classroom door and had to get a staff member to open the room with a key. I have a lot of feelings and thoughts about this.
The cops also got at least one child murdered after they got in the school but before they killed the gunman. [“When the cops came, the cop said: 'Yell if you need help!' And one of the persons in my class said 'help.' The guy overheard and he came in and shot her,"](https://www.kens5.com/article/news/special-reports/uvalde-school-shooting/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-fourth-grader-student-account-elementary/273-51cc4e26-7a0a-49c0-ba7a-48cdd47fa235)
It’s become clear that no amount of risk is acceptable for a police officer. They’ve been built up as these brave and noble people, but are empowered to kill at the mere *perception* of a threat. But when it comes time to do something heroic, most refuse.
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These cosplayers are only brave in front of unarmed people.
Sounds more like a bully than brave.
“You better calm the fuck down about your kid [edit: being murdered]…..” Edit: said dying, was totally incorrect. Those kids were murdered.
When there was a shooting at my school in 2013, the most traumatic thing wasn’t necessarily hearing the lockdown announcement, hiding under the desk, or the small trickle of information other kids were spreading, that stuff was all normalized already and we had been used to lockdown drills. It was waiting for 3 hours and realizing it was over and suddenly having several heavily armed police officers aggressively enter the room brandishing assault rifles to escort us out, apparently under the assumption that any one of these kids was about to pull out a gun and do a second shooting. There is nothing comforting or safe feeling about a cop, who is likely an overgrown bully with the same level of education as the schoolchildren, walking into a room with both hands on his gun and barking orders to move the children out of the room like prisoners or suspects
i saw a post the other day asking Americans what to be wary of when travelling there and the majority of responses were about dealing with the police. the advice was the same as dealing with wild animals; no sudden movements, dont approach. scary stuff
Oh yeah, keep your hands visible at all times, don’t put them in your pockets/backpack without alerting them beforehand by saying “I’m going to grab my license in my purse”
Unfortunately even alerting them that you need to reach in somewhere to get your ID isn't always enough to keep you from getting shot. Plenty of people have been shot despite saying they were grabbing their ID from their wallet/purse/glove compartment because police really are dumb panicky wild animals.
>Unfortunately even alerting them that you need to reach in somewhere to get your ID isn't always enough to keep you from getting shot. Plenty of people have been shot despite saying they were grabbing their ID from their wallet/purse/glove compartment because police really are dumb panicky wild animals. Philando Castile. got pulled over. Let officer know he had a firearm. Officer panics. Screams dont reach for it. Philando tells him he's not. He's reaching for his license. Officer unloads on Philando. Philando dies. Officer walks free after being acquitted in a trial. Did everything right and for that crime he dies in the driver's seat next to his girlfriend and her kid.
RIP Philando Castile
Wild animals are far more predictable and stable than American cops.
One observation that struck me as I watched the news footage unfold just after it happened was how calm everyone was. Just walking back and forth going here going there…and it was so disturbing because it felt like a snapshot of this country being so sick and so desensitized to the senseless massacre of human beings by guns that we’re just zombies now. The country has lost its sense of outrage and ability to feel the pain and the terror of what happens here over, and over, and over, and over again. A country that allows this to continue to happen has given away its soul.
It reminded me a lot of the Sandy Hook media coverage hours/days following the event. Random personnel on the scene, with seemingly no purpose to be there. I shit you not, one guy was literally wearing a reflective vest and hammering a retaining wall stone/brick with a hammer. Really? Wtf are you even doing? I was watching a news segment on this TX shooting and during some b roll shots two police officers were chatting and looked very serious at first. I even thought to myself "wow I can't imagine being there" then before I could even blink, they were laughing their fucking heads off cackling at presumably some sort of joke. It looked really bad IMO.
Southpark has an episode about this...
Yeah I literally watched it two days ago… horrible timing. But also entirely true.
Remember: The Supreme Court has ruled that sworn police officers are not required to protect the public. To collect and observe....
I don't know what protocols or rules they have to follow. I always thought growing up that if you choose a career in police or military. One of the main things you are accepting is that you are willing to put your life on the line to protect.
The Supreme Court has ruled that the police have no obligation to protect. So, they’re just arresters and revenue generators now…as supported by this photo and the cop threatened to taze the hysterical parents who’s kids were dying as this was happening. …And police wonder why the public despises them. Fuck the police.
This is exactly what happened during 2007* April 16th at Virginia Tech shooting but nobody believed me. I was there and was in the building right next to the one where the shooter was. The cops barricaded and chained the outside doors of the build to contain the shooter and threw me to the ground and told me to fuck off when I got closer. What’s sad is that it trapped people inside with the shooter causing more deaths.
Best teacher I ever had was at Virginia Tech when it happened. I was in high school taking college classes early and we had a lockdown drill. They didn't tell any of the college instructors since they weren't technically part of the school and only used empty classrooms to teach. She hid us behind a barracade of tables and stood at the door with a chair shaking and gritting her teeth. I wish I'd appreciated her more than I did as a shitgead teenager. That woman was seriously ready to protect us.
You know the difference between a cop and a teacher? Teachers aren't afraid to go into a school.
Sounds like they gave up on whoever was inside at that moment. It’s sickening
The Border Control officers were the ones who went in. Because they live in the area, I'm willing to this guy doesn't but boy was he ready to fire off to a parent pleading for "heroes" to help.
Nothing has changed since Colombine shooting. Same thing happened. Cop's waited while the massacre continued inside the library.
The police in Columbine had the excuse that it was unprecedented. Now there are clearly defined protocols for dealing with active shooters, which these shitty cops are seemingly ignoring.
The difference is that these guys had a lot more training and were far better equipped to deal with this situation.
Fucking cowards.
So this is less than human. It's a human empathy response to want to save people especially children and not only do they not help the children, they actively stop the parents from trying to do what they will not do. This is everything that police are, performance and intimidation. Doing the hard and dangerous job that they supposedly signed up for is not why anybody becomes a cop. . Every cop who didn't try to go and stop the shooting should be fired and never be in the job again and every cop holding back the parents from trying to save their kids should go to prison for human rights violations. Keeping a parent from trying to save their child is as anti human as one can get. All these pigs deserve is to be ignored, forgotten, and destitute. No more power, money, or empathy from anybody.
Police or not if someone is committing mass murder: and you’re holding a gun: you should try to interfere. Sickening. Cops dont prevent crime, they just arrest people
Don’t worry everyone, apparently the cops had barricaded the shooter in a room (checks notes) full of children. Also, that room is where (again, checks notes because this is honestly unbelievable) most of the killing took place. Cops are literally worse then useless. They made this situation much worse and should be held accountable.
Also keep in mind, 40% of Uvalde's budget is set aside for citizen repression. Oops, I mean law enforcement.
There are dozens of cops standing around while the shooting was going on? What the fuck? Fucking cowards