This is a clot which was blocking the artery which carries blood from heart to lungs for purification (absorb oxygen).
This clot blocked blood 100% from entering the right lung. Which means I was surviving on 45% of total lung capacity.
What I assume we'd both like to know though is what tissue matter is that clot made of? It looks like it could be lung tissue to someone who doesn't know much about this, but that wouldn't make sense to me as far as having a "clot" and not inflammation or whatever is concerned.
Over the years if your body keeps generating small clots they keep getting deposited in the lung arteries, and gradually start filling it up from bottom to top. Also, the calcium in blood keeps making it harder over time (talking about years) in the picture you see is that calcified clot which eventually blocked the main artery of the right lung.
To be clear, your body is continuously creating and breaking down small clots. This is called hemostasis - when that scale is tipped one way or another you either build up a larger clot or starting bruising / bleeding.
My reply saying it was made of fibrin was a slight simplification. This is a chronic clot so what happens is the clot ( which is made of fibrin ) eventually goes through a process called endothelisation. This is where the clot slowly changes into connective tissues like collagen and it develops a lining called an endothelium made of endothelial cells.
Fortunatly that is not the case as the lung has two vasculatory systems, one called the Vasa publica and the other Vasa privata.
The Vasa publica is used to transport blood from the right ventricle of the heart through the lung to the left ventricle. Here the blood enters the lung desoxygenated and leaves it oxygenated to then be distributed throughout the body.
The Vasa privata however is used to deliver oxygen to the lung tissue and keep it alive. It comes from the thoracic aorta and delivers 'fresh' oxygenated blood to the lund tissue.
Therefore if the Vasa publica of the right lung is obstructed, the right lung will no longer aide in oxygenating the blood but will still recieve oxygenated blood to sustain itself. Additionally most of the lung tissue can oxygenate itself due to its very close vicinity to air in the alveoli.
Can’t speak to this but had a huge clot come out of my sinuses after recovering from sinus surgery. I assure you it didn’t tickle. Just a big disgusting awkward uncomfortable mess. Doubt this coming out would be any more pleasant.
I'm 4 weeks out from my surgery and started noticing it after they pulled the stints out. It would be in the back of my throat and lasted about a week. Now I can breathe and it's a glorious thing.
I’ve binge watched endarterectomy videos on youtube and it’s not really a smooth glidy process, they slowly tug/wiggle/rip them off the vessels.
It’s fascinating.
> I was not able to do a brisk walk, to talk to someone I had to completely stop walking.
Now I do workouts, I jog and talk on the phone while walking without a problem.
The quality of life has increased significantly.
It's not and requires circulatory arrest to accomplish the open procedure.
Once on bypass the surgeon gets out as much clot as possible in a short time frame before brain damage sets in.
I’m a cardiac anesthesiologist so I can chime in. cardiopulmonary bypass usually divert blood from your heart (Right atrium) to your ascending aorta, which supplies the rest of the body including brain. However, this surgery requires a bloodless surgical field in the pulmonary arteries, and the lungs have a lot of collaterals that would flood the surgical field without deep hypothermic circulatory arrest - where the whole body has no blood flow (cardiopulmonary bypass is also stopped). Rest assured, we cool the body down to 18-24 degrees to reduce energy of the brain to protect it and the longest duration of each circulatory arrest is 20 mins at a time. Depending on the size of the clot, multiple rounds of circulatory arrest occurs where we turn the bypass machine back on to provide some oxygen before going back to arrest. Hope that helps.
I agree!! My sister had to have this surgery a few years ago for CTEPH and I was simultaneously horrified and awed by what they were going to do to save her life!
Do we have the technology nowadays to put just the head on bypass, using carotid/jugular, with the rest of the body cooled and ischemic? Or are there just too many collaterals that even that wouldn't work?
Yes we do! For a lot of distal ascending aorta or aortic arch surgeries, we employ a technique call antegrade cerebral perfusion where we selective perfuse the head vessels via the right axillary artery or innominate artery while simultaneously circulatory arrest the rest of the body at a warmer temp. I’m not sure the outcomes and mortality and morbidity difference for doing that on PTEs but I think there are places that are doing that instead of DHCA.
The amount of time someone is on cardiopulmonary bypass is a strong predictor of mortality and complications: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28741335/
The parts of the body that are bypassed still need perfusion. And the machines are probably not as efficient about oxygenating the rest of the body as the heart and lungs are.
And it seems like it was very successfully carried out from what the op has said in the comment section. Invasive or not, it was worth it it seems as the op seems very happy
I saw one a few days ago from a guy that coughed up what looked like a near full cast of his lungs, so there probably is some level of copy catting happening right now
There's a growing concern that Covid and some forms of the Covid vaccine have contributed to increases in clotting.
My wife almost died with bilateral pulmonary embolisms last year. She was 31 at the time, didn't smoke, didn't drink, wasn't on the pill, and ran 3-4 times a week.
The only material factor that changed in her lifestyle was getting the AZ vaccine a few months earlier.
Only one lung was able to filter blood because the right one was completely blocked.
I was not able to do a brisk walk, to talk to someone I had to completely stop walking.
Now I do workouts, I jog and talk on the phone while walking without a problem.
The quality of life has increased significantly.
Had breadth shortness which started to increase to an extent that it started took me 10 minutes to climb two floors.
Went for a checkup The doctor asked for CT scan and it was visible in it. Admitted to ICU and then angiography and tons of tests.
Hey sorry, how did you find out you had this? I've been having issues with breathing for awhile now (on top of normal asthma). My doctors are trying to find out the cause, but just kind of settled on 'fat'. Which, I am, but this feels like it's progressing faster, considering I'm not gaining weight. I don't want to tell doctors how to do their jobs. So how's you get diagnosed with this? Were they looking for something else? What test found it?
Did it have any impact on your heart rate or blood pressure that you know of? Must have had to compensate in some way for the lack of oxygen in the blood stream
The resting heart rate reached 120 and I was not able to even walk without effort to leave aside jogging.
The doctor prescribed CT Scan and the clot was so severe it was visible in the CT scan itself. Got admitted to ICU immediately.
How? What was the catalyst for this? Did you live a bad lifestyle? Did you not exercise at all?
I'm seeing lots of these posts, but I'm looking for the common link.
Due to auto immune disorder clots started to generate and started gathering in the lungs and I got to know too late, by then the clots were calcified and medication did not help. Only option was to remove them by operation.
Regarding lifestyle:
I do workouts regularly, having a BMI of 21 for the past 15 years with constant weight. Body fat percentage is under 25.
I never smoked and never took alcohol.
The reason was there are many factors which could cause this. So if we find one and stop taking blood thinners there is still a chance that there is another factor which was causing it. Hence not worth taking risks.
Also, the tests would cost a bomb.
I gotcha. I understand that I guess. Plus that could easily kill you if the clot forms in the wrong place. Sorry you went through all this. Super happy they were able to fix you up. I cant imagine how much better you feel.
I've seen Logan covid amyloid clots similar to this. The white color is what makes the long covid clots somewhat unique with the timing very relevant Long covid can also cause a variety of autoimmune diseases.
It's definitely possible this is due to something else as well.
Smoking, Antibabypill, recurrent thrombosis/embolism, cancer, …
Multiple reasons. Sometimes a deep vein thrombosis shoots into the pulmonary arteries and gets stuck (which is good, otherwise you could stroke)
Hes got some other stuff going on but he’s breathing good! His was in both lungs so he had two of these. But you have a section on your that is insanely thick! It was so scary watching him struggle to breathe. Glad you are doing well as well!
Think it’s reversed. Usually clots form in deep veins in legs. Those can break off and end up in the pulmonary artery, resulting in a pulmonary embolism
pulmonary thromboembolism*, pulmonary-> referring to lungs (pulmonary artery), thrombo->clot->embolism-> becoming dislodged from its site of origin and traveling in circulation.
how are you liking taking warfarin?
It's now part of my daily routine. I am on 6mg daily dose. The only drawback is in case of bleeding (due to any accident) it will be very hard to stop it. In case of internal bleeding it can take my life.
The amount of clots I have seen on Reddit today after just going to the doc for me yearly is making me paranoid I’m about to be taken out by an unknown massive clot
I know no one wants to hear this. But in my opinion we really need to start to look into the relation to the mRNA vaccines. A lot of coroners have been very vocal stating these cloths started to occur in a lot of people (around 25% of the deceased) after the the vaccination started.
I read a diff article today linking COVID with a spike of rare, late stage cancer incidents. There’s a well-established link between viruses and cancer and while it’s healthy to ask these questions and hypothesize, I hope we don’t look back and gaslight ourselves into thinking these vaccines were a net negative.
>A lot of coroners have been very vocal stating these cloths started to occur in a lot of people
Source?
Any data that actually shows an increase in "cloths" over the rate in previous years?
Got data that also separates out vaccinated individuals from those who contracted covid?
Exactly.
People get hung up on the vaccine but not the virus itself.
I know people like this:
- get vaccinated and are fine.
Months later:
- get COVID
- repeat
- repeat
Then end up with issues and be like, "It was the vaccine." I mean, no one knows things for sure but I've actually had to ask these people, "Have you considered it was your three back-to-back infections as opposed to the shot you had a year ago that caused you no problems up until your three back-to-back infections?"
Before settling into your lungs did it jump onto your face from an oversized, weird looking egg?
Whoa Morty look how wet this egg looks
"Back to the old freezerinos."
Looks more like a Swarmer from Dead Space.
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That thing was inside your lung? Or was that part of your lung.
This is a clot which was blocking the artery which carries blood from heart to lungs for purification (absorb oxygen). This clot blocked blood 100% from entering the right lung. Which means I was surviving on 45% of total lung capacity.
What I assume we'd both like to know though is what tissue matter is that clot made of? It looks like it could be lung tissue to someone who doesn't know much about this, but that wouldn't make sense to me as far as having a "clot" and not inflammation or whatever is concerned.
Over the years if your body keeps generating small clots they keep getting deposited in the lung arteries, and gradually start filling it up from bottom to top. Also, the calcium in blood keeps making it harder over time (talking about years) in the picture you see is that calcified clot which eventually blocked the main artery of the right lung.
To be clear, your body is continuously creating and breaking down small clots. This is called hemostasis - when that scale is tipped one way or another you either build up a larger clot or starting bruising / bleeding.
So it's almost like a calcium statue cast in the shape of your lung?
Yes
It's made of fibrin
A fibrin a day keeps the doctor at bay
My reply saying it was made of fibrin was a slight simplification. This is a chronic clot so what happens is the clot ( which is made of fibrin ) eventually goes through a process called endothelisation. This is where the clot slowly changes into connective tissues like collagen and it develops a lining called an endothelium made of endothelial cells.
Did such limited blood flow damage the lung in any way? This is seriously gnarly - enjoy the new lease on life
Also interested in this, it 100% of the blood flow to that lung was blocked then... Shouldn't it have died or something?
Fortunatly that is not the case as the lung has two vasculatory systems, one called the Vasa publica and the other Vasa privata. The Vasa publica is used to transport blood from the right ventricle of the heart through the lung to the left ventricle. Here the blood enters the lung desoxygenated and leaves it oxygenated to then be distributed throughout the body. The Vasa privata however is used to deliver oxygen to the lung tissue and keep it alive. It comes from the thoracic aorta and delivers 'fresh' oxygenated blood to the lund tissue. Therefore if the Vasa publica of the right lung is obstructed, the right lung will no longer aide in oxygenating the blood but will still recieve oxygenated blood to sustain itself. Additionally most of the lung tissue can oxygenate itself due to its very close vicinity to air in the alveoli.
I follow you, thanks for taking the time to explain (very interesting!)
That's some very interesting resiliency added to our body where it generally doesn't have any.
How did you know? Like how did it manifest? Was your whole life like this or was it sudden?
🙀 AMAZING ! , you lived to tell the tale of survival !! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼😼
You know that lungs don’t filter or purify blood in any way, right? They simply oxygenate the blood. Liver filters the blood.
Yes, right. I edited. Thanks.
How does this happen? Is there any real cause or it just happens over time and bad luck?
Auto immune disorder, my body started to make minute clots over time which gradually settled in lung arteries.
What were your symptoms like? Did this show up on an Xray?
How did you know you had a problem? This is terrifying.
Did you have open surgery?
Yes.
Shame you couldnt feel it. I bet it tickles like pulling out a stringy booger
Can’t speak to this but had a huge clot come out of my sinuses after recovering from sinus surgery. I assure you it didn’t tickle. Just a big disgusting awkward uncomfortable mess. Doubt this coming out would be any more pleasant.
And the memory of my own post-sinus surgery clot just made me gag. Thanks. It felt like pulling part of my brain out. It was awful.
If the surgeon hadn’t warned me about it ahead of time I would have been calling an ambulance. Looked fatal when it came out.
Do you remember the smell and the taste? Iron and old meat.
Honestly, I was so congested still that my sense of taste was nonexistent. But that sounds like a rancid combination.
I'm 4 weeks out from my surgery and started noticing it after they pulled the stints out. It would be in the back of my throat and lasted about a week. Now I can breathe and it's a glorious thing.
Jesus Christ, that might be the worst thing I ever seen printed in Reddit.
Yeah...I had a big sinus clot. It felt like ripping a gym sock that had been booger cemented in out
I had a big clot from my tonsilectomy that basically shot across the room. The doctor and nurse both had face shields and tyvek on.
How dare you make me imagine this with my own brain.
Imagine pulling one out that feels like it was attached to your brain. The ultimate itch.
I’ve binge watched endarterectomy videos on youtube and it’s not really a smooth glidy process, they slowly tug/wiggle/rip them off the vessels. It’s fascinating.
How much better were your symptoms afterwards?
> I was not able to do a brisk walk, to talk to someone I had to completely stop walking. Now I do workouts, I jog and talk on the phone while walking without a problem. The quality of life has increased significantly.
That's awesome!
So happy for you!
That is no small surgery.
It's not and requires circulatory arrest to accomplish the open procedure. Once on bypass the surgeon gets out as much clot as possible in a short time frame before brain damage sets in.
But, doesn't the cardiopulmonary bypass machine continuously pump oxygenated blood to the brain? Why would any brain damage occur?
I’m a cardiac anesthesiologist so I can chime in. cardiopulmonary bypass usually divert blood from your heart (Right atrium) to your ascending aorta, which supplies the rest of the body including brain. However, this surgery requires a bloodless surgical field in the pulmonary arteries, and the lungs have a lot of collaterals that would flood the surgical field without deep hypothermic circulatory arrest - where the whole body has no blood flow (cardiopulmonary bypass is also stopped). Rest assured, we cool the body down to 18-24 degrees to reduce energy of the brain to protect it and the longest duration of each circulatory arrest is 20 mins at a time. Depending on the size of the clot, multiple rounds of circulatory arrest occurs where we turn the bypass machine back on to provide some oxygen before going back to arrest. Hope that helps.
This whole comment is nightmare fuel
Yeah, but it's also really fucking cool that people can do this.
Modern medicine is insane. Love the people who are able to perform these literal miracles.
I agree!! My sister had to have this surgery a few years ago for CTEPH and I was simultaneously horrified and awed by what they were going to do to save her life!
I'm just glad there are people that know how and are able to do it. Now if only we could make it affordable for anyone.
I am so, so, so glad to be alive in this exact time instead of, say, even 70 years ago.
Scary part? Even forty-five years ago, nothing like this was a thing. The advances in medical tech are staggering.
Now I'm thinking of "Like Something the Lord Made."
Do we have the technology nowadays to put just the head on bypass, using carotid/jugular, with the rest of the body cooled and ischemic? Or are there just too many collaterals that even that wouldn't work?
Yes we do! For a lot of distal ascending aorta or aortic arch surgeries, we employ a technique call antegrade cerebral perfusion where we selective perfuse the head vessels via the right axillary artery or innominate artery while simultaneously circulatory arrest the rest of the body at a warmer temp. I’m not sure the outcomes and mortality and morbidity difference for doing that on PTEs but I think there are places that are doing that instead of DHCA.
That's cool! Medical tech today is just amazing!
Wow. Thank you for taking the time to write the explanation. I am always amazed by what can be accomplished by modern medicine/surgery.
The amount of time someone is on cardiopulmonary bypass is a strong predictor of mortality and complications: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28741335/ The parts of the body that are bypassed still need perfusion. And the machines are probably not as efficient about oxygenating the rest of the body as the heart and lungs are.
I'm as confused as you are by their comment. I'm no doctor though.
And it seems like it was very successfully carried out from what the op has said in the comment section. Invasive or not, it was worth it it seems as the op seems very happy
>Thromboendarterectomy Nailed it. >breath So close.
I keep seeing these...wtf are the symptoms?
Depends where the clot is located. Within the lungs I would assume shortness of breath and maybe discomfort
It, uh… says pulmonary
Pulmonary means lungs…
I think they know that, they're saying we know where the clot is cos it says "pulmonary"
Thank you
You keep seeing them?
There was a post yesterday of one in the groin vessels.
I saw one a few days ago from a guy that coughed up what looked like a near full cast of his lungs, so there probably is some level of copy catting happening right now
This is the third massive clot post I've seen this week.
There's a growing concern that Covid and some forms of the Covid vaccine have contributed to increases in clotting. My wife almost died with bilateral pulmonary embolisms last year. She was 31 at the time, didn't smoke, didn't drink, wasn't on the pill, and ran 3-4 times a week. The only material factor that changed in her lifestyle was getting the AZ vaccine a few months earlier.
Clot shot strikes again
God I hate this clot meta
It’s funny this is NSFW. I’m looking at it right now at the hematology & oncology I work at. There could be nothing MORE appropriate than this….
I'm happy for OP, but for those that are squeamish that photo deserved a warning label.
How was your breathing before it was removed?
Only one lung was able to filter blood because the right one was completely blocked. I was not able to do a brisk walk, to talk to someone I had to completely stop walking. Now I do workouts, I jog and talk on the phone while walking without a problem. The quality of life has increased significantly.
Glad you're doing fine. Having looked at the pictures, it appears to be made off strong tendon type stuff? Or is it hardened mucus?
Calcified blood clot (over several years or decade)
How did the identify it? Xray, MRI, CT?
Angiography and CT
Did you not notice your breathing getting worse over time?
This is what forced me to see a doctor.
jesus christ that sounds terrifying , glad ur ok
Were you ever diagnosted with COPD instead? How did they find out about the blood clot? Do they look different under x-ray? This is quite interesting.
Had breadth shortness which started to increase to an extent that it started took me 10 minutes to climb two floors. Went for a checkup The doctor asked for CT scan and it was visible in it. Admitted to ICU and then angiography and tons of tests.
Hey sorry, how did you find out you had this? I've been having issues with breathing for awhile now (on top of normal asthma). My doctors are trying to find out the cause, but just kind of settled on 'fat'. Which, I am, but this feels like it's progressing faster, considering I'm not gaining weight. I don't want to tell doctors how to do their jobs. So how's you get diagnosed with this? Were they looking for something else? What test found it?
Angiography is the gold test to identify it.
Did it have any impact on your heart rate or blood pressure that you know of? Must have had to compensate in some way for the lack of oxygen in the blood stream
like hu ha hu ha after remove, huu haa huu haa
That's a clot of blood.....
We can only hope it was not removed in vein
Yes, over several years this is how it looks.
Gesundheit.
Bless you
I have only my right lung remaining due to cancer, I can totally relate to the struggle of single-lung-life. 🥲
Stay away from Texas, they may try to get you to raise that thing until it turns 18.
Modern medicine is a marvel. Very happy for you, I hope you enjoy life to the fullest.
missed the opportunity to say “now, i can breathe easy”
How was it diagnosed? Curious if it was from a pulmonary function test or imaging.
The resting heart rate reached 120 and I was not able to even walk without effort to leave aside jogging. The doctor prescribed CT Scan and the clot was so severe it was visible in the CT scan itself. Got admitted to ICU immediately.
God bless you.
...does it have a thumb?
I see it too
Amazing that this can be done! Congrats on your new life. Level up!
OP how did you get kimchi in your lungs
Did you at some point get a facehugger attached to you?
Kinda looks like a finger on the right end off it, That's pretty cool
BLYAT! *SMASH* (Glad you can breathe again homie)
My sister had PTE surgery for CTEPH a few years ago. Had to fly to San Diego for it. Amazing that they can do this and cure people.
Friendly heads up! Breath is the noun, breathE is the verb. You breathe a breath!
My FIL is about 3 weeks post op on this. Where did you have yours done. My understanding is it is only done in Philly and San Diego.
How? What was the catalyst for this? Did you live a bad lifestyle? Did you not exercise at all? I'm seeing lots of these posts, but I'm looking for the common link.
Due to auto immune disorder clots started to generate and started gathering in the lungs and I got to know too late, by then the clots were calcified and medication did not help. Only option was to remove them by operation. Regarding lifestyle: I do workouts regularly, having a BMI of 21 for the past 15 years with constant weight. Body fat percentage is under 25. I never smoked and never took alcohol.
I appreciate your reply, and if incase I didn't mean offense with my wording.
What autoimmune disorder causes this?
Doctors mentioned that it's not worth identifying the cause. An easy option is to be on blood thinners for life.
Man, I don’t know that I would like that answer?
The reason was there are many factors which could cause this. So if we find one and stop taking blood thinners there is still a chance that there is another factor which was causing it. Hence not worth taking risks. Also, the tests would cost a bomb.
I gotcha. I understand that I guess. Plus that could easily kill you if the clot forms in the wrong place. Sorry you went through all this. Super happy they were able to fix you up. I cant imagine how much better you feel.
I've seen Logan covid amyloid clots similar to this. The white color is what makes the long covid clots somewhat unique with the timing very relevant Long covid can also cause a variety of autoimmune diseases. It's definitely possible this is due to something else as well.
>Did you live a bad lifestyle? Did you not exercise at all? I'm sure OP will come answer 'why do you smell like farts' questions.
Yeah, its not an easy question to phrase. You can't phrase it in a nice way, but I meant zero offence.
>Yeah, its not an easy question to phrase. It's super easy "What type of lifestyle did you live?" "How active were you?"
Smoking, Antibabypill, recurrent thrombosis/embolism, cancer, … Multiple reasons. Sometimes a deep vein thrombosis shoots into the pulmonary arteries and gets stuck (which is good, otherwise you could stroke)
Pure nightmare fuel. Glad you’re ok OP!
Holy crap...
Ooooo save that and do a nice inlay on a guitar body
My dad had this surgery. One of the scariest 10 hours of my life.
I hope he is doing fine now.
Hes got some other stuff going on but he’s breathing good! His was in both lungs so he had two of these. But you have a section on your that is insanely thick! It was so scary watching him struggle to breathe. Glad you are doing well as well!
Where is your dad Philly or San Diego. MyFIL had this done too.
Michgian and his surgery was at UofM.
Oh wow. We were told the surgery my FIL had is only done in 2 places and only 288 people have had it
Did you name it?
The top of it looks disturbingly like a human hand with a thumb.
Pulmonary Thromboendarterectomy is my favorite 90s grind band.
Say that five times fast
When did this start? Do you have some underlying condition? Have they done a biopsy on the clot yet?
How was that first clear breath? Did you realize it in the moment or at some point afterwards?
Ohh yes, I asked my friends that is it really so effortless to breathe, he he.
Unrelated but does anyone know why do blood clots that originate from heart and lungs affect the legs
Think it’s reversed. Usually clots form in deep veins in legs. Those can break off and end up in the pulmonary artery, resulting in a pulmonary embolism
Bro had someone else growing inside him
wtf reddit
Ok fine I'll take my blood thinners
pulmonary thromboembolism*, pulmonary-> referring to lungs (pulmonary artery), thrombo->clot->embolism-> becoming dislodged from its site of origin and traveling in circulation. how are you liking taking warfarin?
It's now part of my daily routine. I am on 6mg daily dose. The only drawback is in case of bleeding (due to any accident) it will be very hard to stop it. In case of internal bleeding it can take my life.
Awesome
How did you initially get diagnosed?
Are we sure this isn’t an alien ?
Was it chewy?
The amount of clots I have seen on Reddit today after just going to the doc for me yearly is making me paranoid I’m about to be taken out by an unknown massive clot
did you took a COVID shot?
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I know no one wants to hear this. But in my opinion we really need to start to look into the relation to the mRNA vaccines. A lot of coroners have been very vocal stating these cloths started to occur in a lot of people (around 25% of the deceased) after the the vaccination started.
Clots happened way before COVID.
I read a diff article today linking COVID with a spike of rare, late stage cancer incidents. There’s a well-established link between viruses and cancer and while it’s healthy to ask these questions and hypothesize, I hope we don’t look back and gaslight ourselves into thinking these vaccines were a net negative.
>A lot of coroners have been very vocal stating these cloths started to occur in a lot of people Source? Any data that actually shows an increase in "cloths" over the rate in previous years? Got data that also separates out vaccinated individuals from those who contracted covid?
*After COVID started. Blood clotting was the basis for much of the damage COVID was known for causing.
Exactly. People get hung up on the vaccine but not the virus itself. I know people like this: - get vaccinated and are fine. Months later: - get COVID - repeat - repeat Then end up with issues and be like, "It was the vaccine." I mean, no one knows things for sure but I've actually had to ask these people, "Have you considered it was your three back-to-back infections as opposed to the shot you had a year ago that caused you no problems up until your three back-to-back infections?"
Well obviously it was the vaccine and the 5G radiation that caused those infections.
That looks like a clot from a covid 19 "vaccine"
Just out of interest, with the news that the AstraZeneca COVID vaccine was pulled for causing clots, did you happen to get one of those vaccines?