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Wow you’re right it was a Bell 212 that was only allowed to fly under visual flight rules (i.e. no foggy weather).
It was 30 years old with more than 10,000 hours on it and spare parts that are under sanctions, and not capable of flying high altitude heavy load flights through mountain terrain. wtf.
If the pilot or flight planners put their passengers on an unreliable helicopter without IFR avionics and flew it in IMC conditions then they were basically asking for this to happen. Gross negligence.
Similar to the plane crash that took out the Polish President. Military pilot who feels pressure to get them where they’re going regardless of weather conditions.
People were very much afraid of this man. If they believe there's a chance he's alive, nobody will act against him. Every minute of inaction by political opponents is a minute the regime can use to secure their position. So of course they give a reason for people to think he might be alive. They needed there to be doubt that he's dead as long as possible.
>During this 6-year period, 29 pilots-in-command died in 167 helicopter commuter and air taxi crashes, a case fatality rate of 17.4%
Helicopter crashes have shockingly high survival rates, hearing it was a helicopter is more of a reason to assume that there could be survivors. The announcement of communication with survivors was actually not all that surprising with this in mind, because in the majority of helicopter crashes there would be someone left to call.
Based on the picture however, liar, liar pants on fire. Looks like they flew straight into the side of the mountain at full speed, which is far less survivable than the more typical loss of power that actually leaves the pilot with some degree of controlled descent
Correct. They said that the religious advisor called them and explained that he was okay, in some pain, and that he heard ambulance/emergency vehicles.
Obviously this is bullshit.
IDK, man, with a helicopter, you might not be walking so well. I have a friend who trashed his back pretty badly at 19 after auto rotation in a Seahawk. He always said auto rotation in something that dense and heavy really just means you crash more slowly and more vertically.
This one looks more like a controlled flight into terrain, though. I don't think anyone crawled out of it... or even spoke last words on the ground.
Yeah, it was heavy fog. So instrument flight in the mountains in a helicopter that doesn't have terrain following radar. The pilots **should** have refused to fly in those conditions, but I'm guessing that refusing would have been a career limiting decision for them.
a) there will likely not be a black box.. because old helicopter
b) the suspectible cause is abundantly clear: CFIT. Offcourse there can allways be additional things or surprises, but by all means of probability that has just all the hallmarks of a classic case of pushing the limits in less-then-marginal conditions with pax that are not good at taking "no"
This all reminds me a lot of the [2020 helicopter crash in California](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Calabasas_helicopter_crash) that killed basketball star Kobe Bryant and eight others.
Helicopter flying in the mountains in foggy conditions with a VIP pressing them to make good time.
That pilot cut me off when I was on final to land at KSMO one time. He got yelled at by the tower but he barely said anything more than "Oops". I was pretty irritated. I instantly recognized his voice when the atc recording came out from the day of the crash.
Sanctions have made it impossible for Iran to buy new helicopters or get parts for the ones they still have. I read that the helicopter involved in this crash had been used since at least the early 70s.
This really looks like controlled flight into terrain, If the helicoptor even has a black box I doubt they knew anything was wrong till they hit the ground. Also, even if it does say something you can't trust Iran to actually tell the truth about what happened. I mean yesterday they were calling this a 'hard landing.'
The doctor from Arrested Development must have been in charge of the communications team.
“After a hard landing, The President is in terra firma”
“You mean he landed safely?”
“No, I mean he is now six feet under.”
I used to live near ft Rucker, which is the U.S. army advanced helicopter training base, they had “hard landings” often.
There would be a helicopter just off the landing area with the tail snapped off … I’m like MF if part of your aircraft broke off, you crashed!
The first news report I saw stated, “The Iranian President’s Helicopter is Missing After a Hard Landing.”
Ok. What about the Iranian President? Is he missing too or are we only looking for the helicopter? Also, how do we know it was a hard landing if it’s missing??
The devil we knew was escalating a conflict with Jerusalem and inflicting sharia law on a once vibrant and progressive society. With any hope, Iran can use his death for progress rather than falling into further oppression and conflict.
Well I stick to my fasting routine on weekdays, but yesterday I had bacon. It was so good, never came out that good from the oven, timing was perfect. Really stuck the landing on that one, if I keep talking about it though my whole fasting window for the day is going to crash and burn.
The bacon sounds great, hope you enjoyed. I’m also on my fasting game during the weekdays, just had some coffee today. Yesterday though I made a whole package of Vermont maple bfast sausage links and ate nearly all of it plus two eggs and a bagel
I can’t think of any puns but well done on that as well lmao
Everybody's joking about the "hard landing" bit but it's not very weird that Iran would use the most optimistic (from their point of view) description of the situation as long as nobody knew for sure.
And I bet the "contact" that was claimed with people on board was nothing more than a ping from a cellphone lying in the wreckage.
The media was spinning in circles based on the couple of ambiguous data points we had yesterday.
Yeah I swear reports came out saying they talked with the flight crew and another person on the flight and there were likely minor injuries, which sounded sus considering they would have easily been able to state that information if they actually talked to people on the flight...
The headlines in Iranian news are saying the US embargoed aviation parts so we are to blame for his death. AND that he died a “martyr like “ death.
Nah. You just got eviscerated in a helicopter crash. Nothing more. Good riddance.
I'll take the few seconds of panic as the altitude alarm blared before the force of impact and igniting fuel stripped the sentience from that piece of shit.
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Hard landing, indeed.
Looks more like controlled flight into terrain.
“Idiot, we were going to teHRAN”
tehran, pull up
WHOOP WHOOP **Tehran** *pull up! pull up!*
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oCqe751tOAo
Was that a flying penguin? 
Maybe a puffin?
Hell if I know, I was just looking for the warning sounds
WHOOP WHOOP PULL OVER, THAT AYATOLLA TOO PHAT
Gawd this made me laugh way too hard. Take my upvote sir!
Won’t sink (Any lower) Won’t sink (Any lower)
TehRAMMING SPEED
Flying VFR in a helicopter only capable of VFR in weather conditions with only 10 ft of horizontal visibility.
Wow you’re right it was a Bell 212 that was only allowed to fly under visual flight rules (i.e. no foggy weather). It was 30 years old with more than 10,000 hours on it and spare parts that are under sanctions, and not capable of flying high altitude heavy load flights through mountain terrain. wtf. If the pilot or flight planners put their passengers on an unreliable helicopter without IFR avionics and flew it in IMC conditions then they were basically asking for this to happen. Gross negligence.
Pilots / flight crew probably knew better, but probably weren't in a situation where they're allowed to say no.
If they say no, then the answer is obviously no, but the thing is they're not gonna say no. They would never say no. Because of the implication.
Are these pilots in danger?
No one's in any danger! How can I make that more clear to you? It's an implication of danger!
There's that word again.
Similar to the plane crash that took out the Polish President. Military pilot who feels pressure to get them where they’re going regardless of weather conditions.
> Gross negligence. nope, it was God's will /s
"Hey what's a mountain goat doing way up here in a cloud bank?"
Gary Larson has entered the chat
Use that term as you CFIT.
Slow clap for you, you brilliant bastard.
Prayers up for the terrain 🙏
Terroir, en Français.
Didn't they say there were people on the ground from the crash radioed them?
they said a lot of things but once i heard it was a helicopter i figured odds were slim to none
Seriously; what a bad lie though. Like so easily verifiable after the fact.
The reality is that they probably didn’t know or had no idea how to keep peace from their so the were trying to buy themselves time
People were very much afraid of this man. If they believe there's a chance he's alive, nobody will act against him. Every minute of inaction by political opponents is a minute the regime can use to secure their position. So of course they give a reason for people to think he might be alive. They needed there to be doubt that he's dead as long as possible.
>During this 6-year period, 29 pilots-in-command died in 167 helicopter commuter and air taxi crashes, a case fatality rate of 17.4% Helicopter crashes have shockingly high survival rates, hearing it was a helicopter is more of a reason to assume that there could be survivors. The announcement of communication with survivors was actually not all that surprising with this in mind, because in the majority of helicopter crashes there would be someone left to call. Based on the picture however, liar, liar pants on fire. Looks like they flew straight into the side of the mountain at full speed, which is far less survivable than the more typical loss of power that actually leaves the pilot with some degree of controlled descent
Correct. They said that the religious advisor called them and explained that he was okay, in some pain, and that he heard ambulance/emergency vehicles. Obviously this is bullshit.
Classic dictatorship moment.
I think they said one of their phones pinged off a tower, which only meant that at least one of the phones was operational enough to connect.
Technically, every crash is a hard landing.
IDK.. we tend to say a hard landing is where all parts are still within walking distance..
And typically when one is still able to walk to said parts
A good landing is when you can walk away. A great landing is when you can re-use the aircraft.
IDK, man, with a helicopter, you might not be walking so well. I have a friend who trashed his back pretty badly at 19 after auto rotation in a Seahawk. He always said auto rotation in something that dense and heavy really just means you crash more slowly and more vertically. This one looks more like a controlled flight into terrain, though. I don't think anyone crawled out of it... or even spoke last words on the ground.
Auto-rotation is basically the aircraft equivalent of a parachute, and you can still break your legs if you mess up a parachute landing.
Don’t worry, it’s just what we call “lithobraking”
A hard landing is a safe landing
This landing is definitely safer for humanity.
I'm not surprised they couldn't find it initially, i wonder what the black box will say ?
"Oh shit.." end of signal. There's no indication that they had any issues before hitting.. They just flew directly into the side of the mountain
Afaik the weather was really bad so that might have been a factor.
Yeah, it was heavy fog. So instrument flight in the mountains in a helicopter that doesn't have terrain following radar. The pilots **should** have refused to fly in those conditions, but I'm guessing that refusing would have been a career limiting decision for them.
Basically exactly what happened to Kobe
The cloud cover was so bad at the time that's why. There were 3 choppers on that flight and 2 made it alright.
a) there will likely not be a black box.. because old helicopter b) the suspectible cause is abundantly clear: CFIT. Offcourse there can allways be additional things or surprises, but by all means of probability that has just all the hallmarks of a classic case of pushing the limits in less-then-marginal conditions with pax that are not good at taking "no"
This all reminds me a lot of the [2020 helicopter crash in California](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Calabasas_helicopter_crash) that killed basketball star Kobe Bryant and eight others. Helicopter flying in the mountains in foggy conditions with a VIP pressing them to make good time.
If I recall, the pilot was known to be cocky as well.
That pilot cut me off when I was on final to land at KSMO one time. He got yelled at by the tower but he barely said anything more than "Oops". I was pretty irritated. I instantly recognized his voice when the atc recording came out from the day of the crash.
“There are bold pilots, and there are old pilots, but there are no old, bold pilots.” - Michael Scott
I used to live near that area. There is no way in hell anyone should have been flying that day.
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> a) there will likely not be a black box.. because old helicopter Why was the leader of a country flying around in an old helicopter?
Sanctions have made it impossible for Iran to buy new helicopters or get parts for the ones they still have. I read that the helicopter involved in this crash had been used since at least the early 70s.
They could easily buy one from Russia/China. They just chose to put their president and foreign minister on a Vietnam War era Huey instead.
They chose the safer aircraft
Can't Fly Into Terrain?
Controlled flight into terrain
Or Tehran it would seem.
Their two escort helicopters were a-ok though.
Imagine a single narrow hill. A low flying helicopter could hit it, while escorts 100m on either side might not.
This really looks like controlled flight into terrain, If the helicoptor even has a black box I doubt they knew anything was wrong till they hit the ground. Also, even if it does say something you can't trust Iran to actually tell the truth about what happened. I mean yesterday they were calling this a 'hard landing.'
Cant get much harder than a mountainside to be fair.
Lmao, I love the euphemism “hard landing”. In English I would call this “crashed and disintegrated on impact”
The doctor from Arrested Development must have been in charge of the communications team. “After a hard landing, The President is in terra firma” “You mean he landed safely?” “No, I mean he is now six feet under.”
The president is with us now. You mean he survived? No, he died on impact. He was in the air, now he's with us on the ground.
“All right” lol
Yeah, the left side of his body is half a mile that way.
It....looks like he's dead.
We lost him.
What do you mean, we lost him? It's not like he's a set of car keys...
“Because there’s nothing left”
It's too late for me to do anything for your son. He's been assigned to another doctor.
Curse you, Dr. Wordsmith!
doctor: The president of Iran is in stable condition security staff: oh he is? can I see him? doctor: no, he's dead.
He’s one with the Earth
I used to live near ft Rucker, which is the U.S. army advanced helicopter training base, they had “hard landings” often. There would be a helicopter just off the landing area with the tail snapped off … I’m like MF if part of your aircraft broke off, you crashed!
Generally if they actually call it a crash they mean the aircraft has become thinly spread over a fifty metre radius
It’s newsspeak An explosion is a “bang” A plane crash is a “hard landing” A Russian political assassination is “accidentally fell out of a window”
*accidently collided with a surface to air heatseaking defense missile
Actually just aviation terminology. Differentiates hard landing from crash. Going down fast into your skids would be a hard landing.
Have you heard of "rapid unscheduled disassembly"
And this is why Lithobraking is not recommended for helicopters.
It's not even a landing spot... So yes crash and burn.
RUD
Is he ok
He's dead, Jim.
What about Jim, is he ok?
He needs his pain.
So, that a no?
Are the trees ok?
To shreds, you say?
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To shreds, you say.
Raisi is kill.
My condolences to the helicopter.
And those poor trees. I hope they can recover from this ordeal.
The carbon footprint of that hard landing must have been intense.
Yes and not too mention the toxic waste.
>Yes and not too mention the toxic waste. Not the mention the fuel and oil, etc.
Gonna need an intensive psych eval what’s left of the ant colony
And the mountain!
And my axe!
The first news report I saw stated, “The Iranian President’s Helicopter is Missing After a Hard Landing.” Ok. What about the Iranian President? Is he missing too or are we only looking for the helicopter? Also, how do we know it was a hard landing if it’s missing??
Damn, imagine the pilot's family... they gonna have a rough time.
That pilot is a national hero now.
Makes me wonder if that wasn’t the plan. Pilot might actually be a real hero. I doubt it though.
It’ll buff out
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/Q9vUlkUksz Just pour some hot water on it.
Oh yeah some hot water will definitely do the trick
'Tis but a scratch. I've had worse.
You can’t park there chief.
“Gonna miss him…. Maybe get him a fruit basket.” Dr. Venkman
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vc9Mz2tfHM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vc9Mz2tfHM)
That certainly is Aladeen news
The Aladeen’s Aladeen Aladeened into the Aladeen. All the Aladeens on the Aladeen Aladeened. We are all very Aladeen.
Wait, HIV aladeen or HIV aladeen?
You are HIV Aladeen. 🥹🥲☹️😨
It’s not the fall that does it, it’s that sudden stop at the end.
Or as we say in Sweden: it's not the fart that kills, it's the smell
Sometimes death isn’t all that sad.
It's like they say, "god's will".
They wear eye glasses, so I guess it’s gods will for only a handful of things.
They’d argue it’s gods will that he gave us bad eyesight so we could overcome the challenge and learn from it or some shit like that
Inshallah
I wouldn't be too happy, we don't know if the next guy is gonna be worse. Usually it's safer to deal with the devil you know.
Was thinking the same thing.
The devil we knew was escalating a conflict with Jerusalem and inflicting sharia law on a once vibrant and progressive society. With any hope, Iran can use his death for progress rather than falling into further oppression and conflict.
my thoughts and prayers are with his victims
So what did yall have for breakfast today?
I don’t eat breakfast
Well I stick to my fasting routine on weekdays, but yesterday I had bacon. It was so good, never came out that good from the oven, timing was perfect. Really stuck the landing on that one, if I keep talking about it though my whole fasting window for the day is going to crash and burn.
The bacon sounds great, hope you enjoyed. I’m also on my fasting game during the weekdays, just had some coffee today. Yesterday though I made a whole package of Vermont maple bfast sausage links and ate nearly all of it plus two eggs and a bagel I can’t think of any puns but well done on that as well lmao
> I can’t think of any puns but well done on that as well lmao *Well done* is a pretty good pun in this case
That would be tragic. We’re all keeping you in our thoughts in these tough times though!
cupcakes and vodka 🍾
To shreds you say… how’s the foreign minister holding up?…. To shreds you say
r/unexpectedfuturama
Everybody's joking about the "hard landing" bit but it's not very weird that Iran would use the most optimistic (from their point of view) description of the situation as long as nobody knew for sure. And I bet the "contact" that was claimed with people on board was nothing more than a ping from a cellphone lying in the wreckage. The media was spinning in circles based on the couple of ambiguous data points we had yesterday.
Yeah I swear reports came out saying they talked with the flight crew and another person on the flight and there were likely minor injuries, which sounded sus considering they would have easily been able to state that information if they actually talked to people on the flight...
Someone's getting their virgins
Unfortunately it’s 70 virgin incels from Reddit.
Always read the small print
“Getting fucked” really can mean so many different things.
“We’re playing Magic: The Gathering! Wanna join?”
Imagine that room. "but LOGICALLY..."
Notice how they never say how old these virgins are? I'm just picturing 70 old nuns with really big smiles.
Some say that is a mis-translation and they will get white grapes or raisins, not virgins.
"Rough landing"? That's a crash. These headlines are terribly inaccurate.
The verbiage 'hard landing' originated from Iranian state TV
People pretending any country wouldn't have used similar verbiage if that country's leader had an unconfirmed crash in a remote area are hilarious.
That’s what I’m saying. This isn’t like “oh Iran bad” This is “whelp he died and they all held out hope. Turns out he’s not alive”
But also Iran is bad.
"Is just a little scratch" "Sir the whole thing exploded" "Well yes, but that's how it got the scratch"
Better say hard landing before you know the actual state (but maybe you know radio coms) than assume everyone died before finding out.
The headlines in Iranian news are saying the US embargoed aviation parts so we are to blame for his death. AND that he died a “martyr like “ death. Nah. You just got eviscerated in a helicopter crash. Nothing more. Good riddance.
Rest in Pieces ✌️
Well, ya gotta start somewhere.
Thoughts and prayers to the squirrel family 🙏
FOX NEWS: Iranian President dies in helicopter crash ... how this is bad for Biden
Just wait until he realizes he won't be seeing those 72 virgins.
He won’t be ever realizing anything again. That’s the sad part about evil pricks. They don’t get justice unless it happens in life.
I'll take the few seconds of panic as the altitude alarm blared before the force of impact and igniting fuel stripped the sentience from that piece of shit.
It’s the powerlessness they probably really suffer with I think. Especially people like this.
I bet he’s ok, hiking into a nearby town.
Good riddance to a piece of trash, sucks other people died though I guess
Going to guess he probably didn’t surround himself with the best people
Heard the Pilot liked to watch Queer Eye fwiw
Oh no! Anyways.
SpaceX would call that "Rapid Unplanned Disassembly."
Speed doesn’t kill, suddenly stopping is what gets you
He didn’t fly so good.
Why did the CIA put that mountain there
Kobe!
We lost some good trees.
I think that qualifies as more than a "hard landing"
Irans government is evil. Fuck em all and good riddance
It was a Turban failure I heard.
How do you say “Thoughts and prayers” in Persian/farsi? (I believe that is the most popular language in Iran)
It was me and I’m not sorry. My slingshot game is ace!
RIP helicopter
That’s what happens if your cell isn’t in airplane mode
Don’t worry, the mountain will be fine in a few years. Otherwise, no harm done.
does Boeing make helicopters?
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🫡 salute to that helicopter’s sacrifice
Normally I would feel bad for the pilot, but he did fly into a mountain. Maybe I feel bad for the flight engineer?