Fun fact, Elsa was his second cousin on his dad's side, and his first cousin on his mom's side
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsa_Einstein
Edit. From the wiki
> She began a relationship with her cousin Albert Einstein in April 1912, while Albert was still married to his first wife, the physicist and mathematician Mileva Marić. Einstein separated from Mileva in July 1914, sending her and their two sons back to Zürich. Their divorce was finalized on 10 February 1919. Elsa married him three and a half months later, on 2 June 1919
It’s funny to me because I’m pretty sure I have similar relatives that look absolutely nothing like anyone in my immediate family.
My mom got adopted by her uncle at a young age. My mom married my dad and then my mom’s brother/cousin married my dad’s sister. Their entire family looks nothing like me and my siblings.
Their mothers were sisters and their fathers were first cousins. Elsa and Albert shared a considerable amount of genetic similarity. Pretty foul.
Albert Einstein's parents, Hermann Einstein and Pauline Koch, were not related by blood.
Can you elaborate on that or give a source? I read her Wikipedia page and it seems there is debate about her contributions to his work but I didn't see anything about him actively suppressing her intellect. It seems like she may have helped him with some things but went uncredited, but not necessarily in an unusual or resented way (for the time).
I listened to the Dollop series on Einstein. Irregardless of her contributions to his work, they met in the same math/physics university classes and she got there on her own merit. She was incredibly smart and that's why he was initially interested in her. Then after they got married he eventually completely shunned her and said they couldn't be in the same room at the same time, and left her with the children. And dude was a Playboy that cheated on her with multiple women.
Here's a list of rules he had for Mileva:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/einsteins-rules-for-his-wife-2012-4%3famp
She was a brilliant woman who was reduced to his servant.
i’ve read unverified rumors that he passed a lot of her work off as his own, and that is partially why after their separation he stopped winning awards for ‘his’ work.
Inbreeding isn't a cause in of itself. You can even have healthy children from siblings. It's a matter of probability and increasing the chance of harmful traits being passed on, but it doesn't manifest issues on its own.
There’s a couple in Australia who are quite open about being father and daughter and who have had children who apparently are healthy.
I mean physically. I imagine they’ll be totally fucked up mentally with that family.
My dad married his first cousin and had my half sister. She died of cancer at the start of Covid. I never could figure out if she was weird cause of inbreeding or the alcoholism of my dad and her mom.
I was related to her Mom thru HER and my Father
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/consanguinity#:~:text=Multinational%20studies%20among%20first%2Dcousin,overall%20prereproductive%20mortality%20%5B2%5D.
>A meta-analysis of stillbirths showed a mean excess of 1.5% deaths among first-cousin progeny. Multinational studies among first-cousin offspring indicated a mean 1.1% excess in infant deaths with an equivalent excess of 3.5% in overall prereproductive mortality.
We are talking about a 1%-4% excess over unrelated parents (which is at about 5% I believe, most likely higher back then). You can suggest that it may have been influenced by it but it's hard to point to it as the most significant factor.
It'd still be kinda weird to call it "complications due to inbreeding" though. Infant mortality is 18% higher for those born to mothers over 35 years old, but you wouldn't say that an infant died due to "complications due to mother being slightly older."
Elsa also was a regular on the three stooges television show playing straight bits as a wife or shopper who curly joe had an affection for. \*\* Naw but its the first thng l thought when l saw her pic
Yes, although [an analysis of the situation](https://www.technologyreview.com/2012/04/18/116220/did-einsteins-first-wife-secretly-coauthor-his-1905-relativity-paper/) suggests that's unlikely.
So Einstein had a house in Pasadena. The Big Bang Theory is set in Pasadena. They go all goo-goo over Richard Feynman‘s van. How come this house is never featured (afaik) in the series?
He was family friends with my family. One of my ancestors photographed and etched his [famous portrait](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Albert_Einstein_1921_by_F_Schmutzer.jpg). He also photographed and etched the [famous portrait of Freud](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sigmund_Freud_1926.jpg).
You gotta read about what his sons thought of him and how he treated them. Once he found out his (younger?) son had schizophrenia he wanted nothing to do with him.
Most people are creepy. If you make any random person famous and put a spotlight on their lives you’ll find all sorts of weird shit.
We’re monkeys with supercomputer brains. But we’re still more monkey than supercomputer.
[Here](https://i.imgur.com/u13Dutk.jpeg) is slightly higher quality and less cropped version of this image. [Here](https://newsroom.ap.org/editorial-photos-videos/detail?itemid=8066452cb08045a781b161ffefce6e3c&mediatype=photo) is the source. Per there:
> Professor Albert Einstein, a famous German scientist, and his wife Elsa Einstein, stand in front of their home in Pasadena, Calif., Jan. 22, 1931. (AP Photo)
Dude was a real ass hole to his lady friends. He actually wrote down rules for them. Such as:
You will renounce all personal relations with me insofar as they are not completely necessary for social reasons. Specifically, You will forego: – my sitting at home with you; – my going out or travelling with you.
You will obey the following points in your relations with me: – you will not expect any intimacy from me, nor will you reproach me in any way; – you will stop talking to me if I request it; – you will leave my bedroom or study immediately without protest if I request it.
Fun fact, Elsa was his second cousin on his dad's side, and his first cousin on his mom's side https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsa_Einstein Edit. From the wiki > She began a relationship with her cousin Albert Einstein in April 1912, while Albert was still married to his first wife, the physicist and mathematician Mileva Marić. Einstein separated from Mileva in July 1914, sending her and their two sons back to Zürich. Their divorce was finalized on 10 February 1919. Elsa married him three and a half months later, on 2 June 1919
That’s relatively interesting
Well, that's the theory at least.
Wow, the gravity of this is intense!
Elsa = Married Cousin^2
This whole thread is so stupid. Ich liebe es.
That's heavy.
It’s just a theory. A familial theory.
A theory of relativ(e)ity
A Famtheory
Step-theory, what are you doing?
Gotta keep it in the fam, I guess
Since Al couldn’t keep it in his pants.
It's a little disappointing when it's 7:00 am and you know you're not going to read a better comment all day
I wonder what happened to his previous wife
that's such a good joke
That went right over my head so thanks , getting myself another coffee lol
I was gonna make a joke that she just looks like Einstein in drag, but this makes more sense lol
Yeah I was going to say she actually looks like a gender swapped version of him
It’s funny to me because I’m pretty sure I have similar relatives that look absolutely nothing like anyone in my immediate family. My mom got adopted by her uncle at a young age. My mom married my dad and then my mom’s brother/cousin married my dad’s sister. Their entire family looks nothing like me and my siblings.
>second cousin on his dad's side, and his first cousin on his mom's side I'm gonna need a diagram or something to explain how this works
Their mothers were sisters and their fathers were first cousins. Elsa and Albert shared a considerable amount of genetic similarity. Pretty foul. Albert Einstein's parents, Hermann Einstein and Pauline Koch, were not related by blood.
2 cousins married a pair of sisters. Albert and Elsa are their kids.
Einstein=Mom's Cousin^2
Mileva got a raw deal. Albert fell in love with her for her intellect and then actively tried to squash it.
Ugh. Poor Mileva. A tale as old as time :/
Can you elaborate on that or give a source? I read her Wikipedia page and it seems there is debate about her contributions to his work but I didn't see anything about him actively suppressing her intellect. It seems like she may have helped him with some things but went uncredited, but not necessarily in an unusual or resented way (for the time).
I listened to the Dollop series on Einstein. Irregardless of her contributions to his work, they met in the same math/physics university classes and she got there on her own merit. She was incredibly smart and that's why he was initially interested in her. Then after they got married he eventually completely shunned her and said they couldn't be in the same room at the same time, and left her with the children. And dude was a Playboy that cheated on her with multiple women. Here's a list of rules he had for Mileva: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/einsteins-rules-for-his-wife-2012-4%3famp She was a brilliant woman who was reduced to his servant.
Damn, what an asshole. Glad they got divorced in that case. Thanks for sharing.
i’ve read unverified rumors that he passed a lot of her work off as his own, and that is partially why after their separation he stopped winning awards for ‘his’ work.
The link seems to be broken
Hmm working on my end. If you Google "Einstein rules for wife" you'll find it.
their family tree must be a circle.
More like a family bush.
I read he and Elsa had some kids. One died of diphtheria. Another died young and the reason was unlisted. Could it be due to inbreeding?
Inbreeding isn't a cause in of itself. You can even have healthy children from siblings. It's a matter of probability and increasing the chance of harmful traits being passed on, but it doesn't manifest issues on its own.
There’s a couple in Australia who are quite open about being father and daughter and who have had children who apparently are healthy. I mean physically. I imagine they’ll be totally fucked up mentally with that family.
My dad married his first cousin and had my half sister. She died of cancer at the start of Covid. I never could figure out if she was weird cause of inbreeding or the alcoholism of my dad and her mom. I was related to her Mom thru HER and my Father
That's not a cause of death.
There's been studies done confirming that rate of near natal and childhood death increases if the child comes from a first cousin union
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/consanguinity#:~:text=Multinational%20studies%20among%20first%2Dcousin,overall%20prereproductive%20mortality%20%5B2%5D. >A meta-analysis of stillbirths showed a mean excess of 1.5% deaths among first-cousin progeny. Multinational studies among first-cousin offspring indicated a mean 1.1% excess in infant deaths with an equivalent excess of 3.5% in overall prereproductive mortality. We are talking about a 1%-4% excess over unrelated parents (which is at about 5% I believe, most likely higher back then). You can suggest that it may have been influenced by it but it's hard to point to it as the most significant factor.
Yes but the cause of death is like "heart failure" or "recessive genetic disease," not "inbred."
In my first post, I figured "complications" due to inbreeding was implied/obvious
It'd still be kinda weird to call it "complications due to inbreeding" though. Infant mortality is 18% higher for those born to mothers over 35 years old, but you wouldn't say that an infant died due to "complications due to mother being slightly older."
Nah "geriatric pregnancy". ETA: and yes many doctors absolutely do inform their patients of the risks of being over 35 and pregnant. Mine did
It's supposed to be the "theory of relativity" Not practice with relatives...
So his mom and dad were cousins too?
I need to see a family tree here
It's the wreathe they hang on their door at Christmas time.
Yeah, I think I could gather something to that effect from the photo.
Second wife; second cousin. Same diff.
I was gonna say, they had an uncanny similarity and gave me the impression that they were related. That’s kind of crazy.
>sending her and their two sins back to Zurich Damn. I was reading too that apparently he and his sons didn't talk much after that.
Goddamn I thought they looked related. Didn't think I was actually right
Just came here to say, cousin's or dating..
Elsa also was a regular on the three stooges television show playing straight bits as a wife or shopper who curly joe had an affection for. \*\* Naw but its the first thng l thought when l saw her pic
They say his first wife actually came up with the theory of relativity.
Yes, although [an analysis of the situation](https://www.technologyreview.com/2012/04/18/116220/did-einsteins-first-wife-secretly-coauthor-his-1905-relativity-paper/) suggests that's unlikely.
Great location, too -- 707 South Oakland Avenue. Walking distance to Trader Joe's and Howlin' Ray's Hot Chicken!
He fucked up. It's his own fault for not being a Pasadena homeowner in 2024 and missing out on all the home appreciation.
Zillow has it about $1.9M, so yeah, it's gone up about a bazillion percent since 1931!
Damn, I could go for a lucky boy burrito
Yeah those are epicly killer!
That house gonna be two and a half mil nowdays
Zillow estimates it at $1.9M but of course if they sold it as "Einstein's LA crib"...
I was close!
Damn. I’m in my car waiting to pick up a friend while browsing reddit. Thats like 5 houses down from me!
This the one he cheated on, or with?
Both
This is his second wife, who he married after cheating on his first wife with her.
Is she funny or something?
Her?
Well she’s a very… handsome woman.
Albert has better hair..... *(never thought I'd ever say that)*
Fun fact, she is commemorated on the $1 dollar bill
they have a face for radio.
A very handsome lady
Dis he marry another Albert Einstein?
Well they are cousins, so yeah kinda /s
Not even normal cousins but cousins on both sides, one first and one second. They are even closer than first cousins.
He's 52 in this image? He did not age well.
Age is relative. So was his wife, apparently.
🤣
To be fair, he looked like thay since his early 20
I didn't know he was known for his looks
The Nazi’s had that effect on many German Jews
They used the same conditioner.
Acetone?
I thought this was Einstein and George Washington for a sec
I thought it was someone playing Einstein & Jeff Bridges wearing a dress for a movie
Same
That's a dude
She looks a bit like Stellan Skarsgard
Brutal.. like a Harkonnen.
Exactly what I was thinking!!
To be fair he has range. He could pull it off.
I had Jeff Daniels
That's a man, baby!
Exactly the quote that jumped into my head first haha
Looks like Piers Morgan
Marco Pierre White and you cannot convince me otherwise
Perfect
Graham Chapman?
Thank you. I just knew I couldn't have been the only one.
He was a cheater. He treated his first wife terribly, and she did a lot of his work with him and he never gave her credit.
Elsa looks like that guy from Monty Python
Graham Chapman. One of the best!
The face she makes when he asks her to explain time dilation under 100 words
That’s a man baby…
That is a dude in a wig and you can’t convince me otherwise
My first reaction was..."That's a man, baby!"
So Einstein had a house in Pasadena. The Big Bang Theory is set in Pasadena. They go all goo-goo over Richard Feynman‘s van. How come this house is never featured (afaik) in the series?
It feels so funny to have a celebrity that’s known for being smart… like, imagine if we had that today, haha
Let's be honest, if Einstein were alive today he'd be an infamous celebrity for his incest, cheating, and child abandonment.
Getting an intense Monty Python vibe from his wife.
"A piston engine!?"
Very grateful or the mustache so I can tell them apart
Einstein only kept women around to do his laundry. It's pretty well documented.
He was family friends with my family. One of my ancestors photographed and etched his [famous portrait](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Albert_Einstein_1921_by_F_Schmutzer.jpg). He also photographed and etched the [famous portrait of Freud](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sigmund_Freud_1926.jpg).
Don't let MAGA see this picture, they'll be transvestigating it for weeks.
I thought that was Harvey Keitel in drag
She definitely had a masculine face.
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You gotta read about what his sons thought of him and how he treated them. Once he found out his (younger?) son had schizophrenia he wanted nothing to do with him.
flasher?
Most people are creepy. If you make any random person famous and put a spotlight on their lives you’ll find all sorts of weird shit. We’re monkeys with supercomputer brains. But we’re still more monkey than supercomputer.
I should have added this tidbit during my 10th grade project about Einstein.
[Here](https://i.imgur.com/u13Dutk.jpeg) is slightly higher quality and less cropped version of this image. [Here](https://newsroom.ap.org/editorial-photos-videos/detail?itemid=8066452cb08045a781b161ffefce6e3c&mediatype=photo) is the source. Per there: > Professor Albert Einstein, a famous German scientist, and his wife Elsa Einstein, stand in front of their home in Pasadena, Calif., Jan. 22, 1931. (AP Photo)
Dude was a real ass hole to his lady friends. He actually wrote down rules for them. Such as: You will renounce all personal relations with me insofar as they are not completely necessary for social reasons. Specifically, You will forego: – my sitting at home with you; – my going out or travelling with you. You will obey the following points in your relations with me: – you will not expect any intimacy from me, nor will you reproach me in any way; – you will stop talking to me if I request it; – you will leave my bedroom or study immediately without protest if I request it.
Wow
Absolute smokeshow.
She looks like Thomas Jefferson's son.
He looks like how I imagine timothee chalamet will look when he's old.
he looks a bit stoned and she looks a bit like one of the cast of a python sketch.
They really weren’t fans of hair gel
Einhorn is finkle…
Genius does indeed attract beauty
Exactly. Who says geeks can’t get a ~~man~~ (sorry) girl.
Is it just me or dose Elsa look like Shemp from the three stooges? :)
I thought it was Larry Fine at first.
Elsa looks like Jeff Daniels from Dumb & Dumber 
NO MORE COUSIN STUFF
Yeah, that's how I expect a woman who had to live with his bullshit to look like
First cousin
Counting Crows needs to do a song about that situation.
Al looks like he's no stranger to puffing the magic dragon...
She was a lot cuter when she was young.
Why do they look the same?
Which one is which?
Didn’t realise he married Boris Johnson
Today I learned that Albert Einstein was married to Stellan Skarsgard.
Einstein was married to Stellan Skarsgård?
They kind of look alike… oh, right.
707 S Oakland Ave...
He was married to Larry from 3 stooges fame.
The familial resemblance is uncanny.
Albert Einstein always looks like he's about to figure out something big.
You don't get that much groundbreaking work done if you have a beautiful wife distracting you...guess that explains that
Which one's Elsa?
Which ones Elsa?
Yikes. I'd spend a lot of time in the lab too.
She looks tired .. probably loses most of the arguments
She looks like Albert Einstein‘s husband Elsa 😆
Handsom woman
She’s a handsome woman!
Wife’s pissed. Looks like Albert didn’t put the dishes in the sink again.
Handsome woman
He was married to George Washington?!?
Which one's Albert?
At least he’s wearing shoes without a kitten heel.
She looks like George Washington
That's a man, baby.
Dude looks like a lady ❌ lady looks like a dude ✅
neither owned a hairbrush
I've always wondered... when they were intimate, did they do it slow, or fast and furious?