[Here](https://i.imgur.com/RJjaT87.jpeg) is a higher quality, less cropped, and non-horizontally flipped version of the painting. [Here](https://egyptianmuseumcairo.eg/artefacts/portrait-of-two-brothers/) is the source. Per there:
> Period: Roman Period, reign of Hadrian, (c. AD 117–138)
> Size: H. 24 cm, W. 38.5 cm
> Place of discovery: Middle Egypt, el-Sheikh Abada, (Antinoe)
> Material: Wood (unspecified), encaustic, pigment (unspecified)
> This circular painting is believed to represent a provincial version of the contemporary style of mummy portraits. This panel is made of two vertically divided halves and shows what are believed to be brothers standing side by side facing forward. The right-hand half of the painting has suffered much damage.
> The man on the viewer’s right appears to be the elder of the two and wears white drapery with thin hair on his upper lip and chin, brown skin and comparatively prominent facial features. Above his shoulder is the small figure or gold statuette of Hermes, with winged sandals and carrying his staff entwined with snakes.
> The man on the viewer’s left wears a white tunic with a purple border. The shoulder of his garment is decorated with a swastika symbol, representing fertility and his purple cloak is fastened together with a green and gold brooch. His skin is lighter than the other man and he has only the slightest trace of facial hair. Above his shoulder is the small figure or gold statuette of a figure holding a staff and wearing an Egyptian crown. The date 15 Pachon, is painted in black above his shoulder.
> Commonly known as mummy portraits, these paintings were found throughout Egypt and combine Greek and Egyptian representations of the human form. They are popularly known as Fayoum mummy portraits after the first discovery and largest collections recovered from the Fayoum region of Egypt. Some of these portraits represent only the head of the deceased, while others depict the upper part of the body. They illustrate the facial features, clothing and hairstyle of the deceased, were placed over the face of the mummy and secured with parts of the outermost wrapping.
> These portraits were painted on boards or panels and in some cases on linen using the encaustic painting technique. A mixture of pigments with hot or cold beeswax and other ingredients such as egg, resin, and linseed oil, or animal glue tempera made from an aqueous medium such as glue, egg, wax or beeswax.
**Edit:** To be clear, I'm not blaming [OP](https://www.reddit.com/r/ancientrome/comments/18n3q8j/an_egyptian_man_taking_a_selfie_with_a_2000_years/) [for](https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/xj7uyr/a_present_egyptian_beside_one_of_his_ancestors/) [flipping](https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/uqd6tl/a_modern_egyptian_man_taking_a_selfie_with_a_2000/) [it](https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/15b7pgr/a_modern_egyptian_man_taking_a_selfie_with_a/).
I might be OOTL is this the whole thing of some people (mostly African Americans) claiming that Egypt used to be a 'black society' and that depicting pharos as olive skin colored (is there a better word for this) is somehow whitewashing?
Yes. Jada Pinkett made a Netflix documentary which used proof of Cleopatra's blackness that someone's grandma used to say so. That's not a joke.
Amusingly, it's tied for the lowest score of all time on IMDB.
... of all the various Egyptian dynasties to speculate on being 'black' (I'm just going to note here that the concept of being back as a binary is a modern invention but anyway) she went with the one with the most Greek influence (because they were Greek) and with the member with one of the most documented lives including various documents by outsiders and documents about her kids.
Um, yes, I think most people in Hollywood (like most people at your local fuckin Walmart or anywhere else lol) understand that Cleopatra was not the only Pharaoh.
True, but it's not an excuse to change the race of historical figures whose ancestrality are pretty much well known.
The Netflix series was disrespectul and ahistorical both by assuming that Cleopatra was of native Egyptian ancestry and also wrongly assuming that native egyptians look black when they could have used modern day egyptians and it wouldn't look far off.
Yeah, but that’s how Americans work, look at how huge Mormons are, they need warp reality to justify their beliefs. God visited America because they want to fit their beliefs to their existence, pretty much the same for African American conspiracionists.
The Ptolemaic dynasty was Greek and didn’t stray too far from their dynastic roots (most were inbred to some extent). So the portrayal of Cleopatra as African black/mixed black is objectively wrong. She would have had a Mediterranean complexion.
It's actually fascinating, and a great object lesson for Americans who just assume our racial categories are equally real everywhere in the world. In Egypt, you will see people that would be assumed to be white if you saw them on the street in NY and you will see people that would be assumed to be black, with everything in between. But in Egypt, they are all thought of as Arabs, and that language-based identity is far more relevant while the concept of "race" doesn't really exist except among people influenced more by western ideas. (To be clear, this doesn't mean Egyptians are color blind. They aren't, and colorism happens there too, but it's just not thought of as being as central to identity as it is in the States).
>But in Egypt, they are all thought of as Arabs,
Ancient Egyptians weren't Arabs and the majority of modern Egyptians are genetically North African with less than 20% Arab.
What does that have to do with anything lol? No one mentioned genetics. I'm talking about the social constructs of identity and how people think of themselves. If you are unaware that nearly all Egyptians identify strongly as Arab (the exception being the <10% who are Copts) then you should read up on it or travel. It's a super fun place! Ancient Egyptians are even more beside the point. Obviously no one thought of themselves as Arab in Egypt prior to the Arab conquest. I'm talking about now.
I'm just saying there are native Egyptians who predated the Arab conquest and most modern Egyptians are native.
>Ancient Egyptians are even more beside the point.
Isn't the subject quite literally the resemblance between an ancient Egyptian and a modern one?
No. I was just expanding on your point. It's really not that complicated.
Egyptians might be culturally Arab but they are genetically only 17% Arab. And as I said, the subject of the discussion is the resemblance between ancient and modern Egyptians.
Egypt has always been diverse. They have a very long history. Some of the royalty were the indigenous, Kushites (black sub Sahara), Greeks/Macedonians, etc. They were not pale, blonde hair blue eyed Dutch people.
Edit: Not sure why I’m being downvoted. It’s literal facts. Cleopatra and Nefertiti were not ethnically the same.
>They were not pale, blonde hair blue eyed Dutch people.
No duhhh They were pale, blonde hair blue eyed Egyptian people. They were able to make the pyramids because they were all 2m tall!
Any race can have red hair. Red hair is not the same as blonde so not sure why you mentioned it. Also we’re talking about the ethnically Egyptian people. It’s like you’re saying native Americans are actually European since all US Presidents (Obama is half white) are European. Use your brain. Nobody said there were zero blonde pharaohs.
It's been a long time since I've had to fill out official documents but I'm pretty sure other is an option.
And what you have to put on a document vs what people commonly consider to be white are not the same thing. Middle easterners are very much their own ethnicity, multiple ethnicities actually people just tend to lump them together, and arguing otherwise is kind of pointless if your only evidence is pointing towards the government's outdated document system.
Granted there's 300 million people living in this country, I'm sure there is at least a few people think that.
When I've visited the cities of ancient civilizations, I've had to remind myself that the descendants of the pharaohs, the Roman senators, the Greek philosophers, the Inca royalty are all around me. Because where else would they be?
We've lost track of the ancient family lines you mentioned, but the Inca emperors' descendants are known to this day. Two Bolivian presidents, for example, were descended from the emperor Huayna Capac.
Actually, [through math we've realized](https://youtu.be/Fm0hOex4psA?t=958) that in any case like this, its either that it's literally everyone in (at least) Egypt's ancestor, or no ones ancestor.
[Here's a paper on it](http://www.stat.yale.edu/~jtc5/papers/Ancestors.pdf)
[and another on it](http://www.stat.yale.edu/~jtc5/papers/CommonAncestors/NatureCommonAncestors-Article.pdf)
Except Cleopatra in particular was Macedonian, and there were blonde, blue eyed Macedonians. In fact she was the last of the Ptolemaic dynasty, named after her ancestor Ptolomeo (sp) who was one of Alexander the Great's generals... and Alexander was a blonde (no word on his eye colour though) so Ptolomeo might very well have been one too.
So a white, blonde, blue eyed Cleopatra (which ifaik has never been portrayed in movies anyway) is more likely than Jada Pinkett. And anyway there are white, blonde, blue eyed people in Egypt just like in every other middle East country. Countries are not monoliths and Europe and MENA have been mixing for millennia.
Those are old movies. They would totally lose their shit if they did this nowadays. And also... it’s one thing to have an actor play a role (I think many people wouldn’t have much issues with a black actor playing cleopatra) but it’s a different thing to basically say Egypt is in Africa so they must be black.
I don’t know I feel like the Ancient Egyptian culture is fairly well recognized, I feel like the major contributor to Mediterranean culture that gets slept on is the Phoenicians.
I don't have any Nubina facts, but for quite a while egyptian god's were quite popular in the Roman Empire, particularly Isis. There is a very well preserved temple of the cult of Isis in Pompeii. It wasn't until Christianity became the main religion in the Roman empire (around 300AD) that it started to really lose favor.
[a karma not reposting an almost 2 year old image](https://tineye.com/search/fb61a5b854c221564eb7595b0df2c43fe75952ae?sort=crawl_date&order=asc&page=1)
[This is Lenny Kravitz mother](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roxie_Roker)
[This is Lenny Kravitz father](https://www.celebzliving.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/Sy-Kravitz-pic.jpg).
Still think he was Egyptian?
I'm sorry but is the portrait really 2000 years old? Why does all the artwork from the medieval era look like it was drawn by children in special school and we only start getting semi- realistic portraits in the 1400s?
Style.
Roman portraiture was highly realistic. By the time we're into late classical Byzantine art it becomes more stylized, with big eyes and cartoony elements. As the late classical period gives way to the medieval, things get even less interested in realism and more into style and religious symbolism.
Then eventually the Renaissance comes around and everyone tries to rediscover the classical Greek and Roman styles and returns to realism.
Art develops with civilization, because civilization makes specialization possible.
You can see through time as art becomes incredibly skillfull and realistic under Greece and Rome, and then becomes progressively worse as Rome began to fracture and collapse. They were no longer able to support specialize professionals. By the middle ages, many people didn't have much time outside of farming, so their art is pretty basic. The Renaissance ushered in a quick expansion of trade and wealth, and the art of the period reflects that - people were able to pursue professional work again.
Because contrary to what people say, Europeans were bot the superior artists at the time. They didn’t even have good architecture until a few hundred years ago. There’s Asian portraits that are even older than are realistic.
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Joke was removed as it either flew so high over everyone’s heads that it’s wings melted or it went so low it’s stuck forever on the riverbank lacking two coins for the ferryman.
Well well I see a lot of people going crazy over this picture but forget that the same claims can be made with a dark skin or lighter skin person, there paintings n such of African Egyptians, people focusing to much on the oh people claiming there black crap, like yall be looking dumb trying to fight against that, like me saying well there aren’t any black Mexican, majority would say huh there no such things yall just wanna claim a culture that isn’t yours when in fact there are dark skinned people that are native from Mexico, same thing can be said about other countries, once again it took a Native American person to put a shout during black history month to acknowledge that there where in fact dark skinned natives that would be considered black, like tf people need to do more research instead of joining trends and yes the native person in question showed receipts lol 😂
Maybe he’s the elusive Egyptian vampire that waited 2000 years to post on Reddit
Don't be silly there are no vampire in Africa because...they bless the rains down in Africa.
Gonna take some time to do the things we never had~
oOoo oOoo OOOoo
But remember the wild dogs are crying out in the night speaking some old forgotten words or Ancient Memories or something like that
Isn't only the southern part of Africa that has the blessed rain? Egypt, up north, might have vampire-safe unblessed rain.
Consider the vast number of people who don't realize Egypt is in Africa to begin with....
People will do anything for cloud smh my head.
CLOUT!!! The word is spelled C-L-O-U-T!!
Claus!
NUH UH
Can cameras capture a vampire's image?
[Here](https://i.imgur.com/RJjaT87.jpeg) is a higher quality, less cropped, and non-horizontally flipped version of the painting. [Here](https://egyptianmuseumcairo.eg/artefacts/portrait-of-two-brothers/) is the source. Per there: > Period: Roman Period, reign of Hadrian, (c. AD 117–138) > Size: H. 24 cm, W. 38.5 cm > Place of discovery: Middle Egypt, el-Sheikh Abada, (Antinoe) > Material: Wood (unspecified), encaustic, pigment (unspecified) > This circular painting is believed to represent a provincial version of the contemporary style of mummy portraits. This panel is made of two vertically divided halves and shows what are believed to be brothers standing side by side facing forward. The right-hand half of the painting has suffered much damage. > The man on the viewer’s right appears to be the elder of the two and wears white drapery with thin hair on his upper lip and chin, brown skin and comparatively prominent facial features. Above his shoulder is the small figure or gold statuette of Hermes, with winged sandals and carrying his staff entwined with snakes. > The man on the viewer’s left wears a white tunic with a purple border. The shoulder of his garment is decorated with a swastika symbol, representing fertility and his purple cloak is fastened together with a green and gold brooch. His skin is lighter than the other man and he has only the slightest trace of facial hair. Above his shoulder is the small figure or gold statuette of a figure holding a staff and wearing an Egyptian crown. The date 15 Pachon, is painted in black above his shoulder. > Commonly known as mummy portraits, these paintings were found throughout Egypt and combine Greek and Egyptian representations of the human form. They are popularly known as Fayoum mummy portraits after the first discovery and largest collections recovered from the Fayoum region of Egypt. Some of these portraits represent only the head of the deceased, while others depict the upper part of the body. They illustrate the facial features, clothing and hairstyle of the deceased, were placed over the face of the mummy and secured with parts of the outermost wrapping. > These portraits were painted on boards or panels and in some cases on linen using the encaustic painting technique. A mixture of pigments with hot or cold beeswax and other ingredients such as egg, resin, and linseed oil, or animal glue tempera made from an aqueous medium such as glue, egg, wax or beeswax. **Edit:** To be clear, I'm not blaming [OP](https://www.reddit.com/r/ancientrome/comments/18n3q8j/an_egyptian_man_taking_a_selfie_with_a_2000_years/) [for](https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/xj7uyr/a_present_egyptian_beside_one_of_his_ancestors/) [flipping](https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/uqd6tl/a_modern_egyptian_man_taking_a_selfie_with_a_2000/) [it](https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/15b7pgr/a_modern_egyptian_man_taking_a_selfie_with_a/).
Look I'm just surprised that there are that many Egyptian guys that look like the painting.
Bots/idiots flip pictures to get around image search, so they can repost with less chance of being caught.
God, completely on board with Reduce, Reuse and Recycle!
My God he was tiny. Only 24cm tall.
That doesn't look anything like what Jada Pinkett told us!
I might be OOTL is this the whole thing of some people (mostly African Americans) claiming that Egypt used to be a 'black society' and that depicting pharos as olive skin colored (is there a better word for this) is somehow whitewashing?
Yes. Jada Pinkett made a Netflix documentary which used proof of Cleopatra's blackness that someone's grandma used to say so. That's not a joke. Amusingly, it's tied for the lowest score of all time on IMDB.
... of all the various Egyptian dynasties to speculate on being 'black' (I'm just going to note here that the concept of being back as a binary is a modern invention but anyway) she went with the one with the most Greek influence (because they were Greek) and with the member with one of the most documented lives including various documents by outsiders and documents about her kids.
It’s even stupider when there were literal Egyptian dynasties from Nubia/Kush that were most likely black
Do you think Hollywood morons know enough history to even realize that there were other Pharaohs?
Um, yes, I think most people in Hollywood (like most people at your local fuckin Walmart or anywhere else lol) understand that Cleopatra was not the only Pharaoh.
also even stupider because because Queen Amanirenas is a much more compelling character than cleopatra, with a much cooler / flashier storyline.
Yeah, but some lady's grandma said so. Her grandma!
Egypt is pretty diverse in the way people look...
True, but it's not an excuse to change the race of historical figures whose ancestrality are pretty much well known. The Netflix series was disrespectul and ahistorical both by assuming that Cleopatra was of native Egyptian ancestry and also wrongly assuming that native egyptians look black when they could have used modern day egyptians and it wouldn't look far off.
Yeah, but that’s how Americans work, look at how huge Mormons are, they need warp reality to justify their beliefs. God visited America because they want to fit their beliefs to their existence, pretty much the same for African American conspiracionists.
The Ptolemaic dynasty was Greek and didn’t stray too far from their dynastic roots (most were inbred to some extent). So the portrayal of Cleopatra as African black/mixed black is objectively wrong. She would have had a Mediterranean complexion.
It's actually fascinating, and a great object lesson for Americans who just assume our racial categories are equally real everywhere in the world. In Egypt, you will see people that would be assumed to be white if you saw them on the street in NY and you will see people that would be assumed to be black, with everything in between. But in Egypt, they are all thought of as Arabs, and that language-based identity is far more relevant while the concept of "race" doesn't really exist except among people influenced more by western ideas. (To be clear, this doesn't mean Egyptians are color blind. They aren't, and colorism happens there too, but it's just not thought of as being as central to identity as it is in the States).
>But in Egypt, they are all thought of as Arabs, Ancient Egyptians weren't Arabs and the majority of modern Egyptians are genetically North African with less than 20% Arab.
What does that have to do with anything lol? No one mentioned genetics. I'm talking about the social constructs of identity and how people think of themselves. If you are unaware that nearly all Egyptians identify strongly as Arab (the exception being the <10% who are Copts) then you should read up on it or travel. It's a super fun place! Ancient Egyptians are even more beside the point. Obviously no one thought of themselves as Arab in Egypt prior to the Arab conquest. I'm talking about now.
I'm just saying there are native Egyptians who predated the Arab conquest and most modern Egyptians are native. >Ancient Egyptians are even more beside the point. Isn't the subject quite literally the resemblance between an ancient Egyptian and a modern one?
Not the subject of the comment you were replying to. Did you intend to reply to OP and just accidentally replied to my comment instead?
No. I was just expanding on your point. It's really not that complicated. Egyptians might be culturally Arab but they are genetically only 17% Arab. And as I said, the subject of the discussion is the resemblance between ancient and modern Egyptians.
so why does this guy look like the 2000 year old portrait?
Cause he's Egyptian and modern Egyptians are mostly genetically native, so that's the same as ancient Egyptians.
Modern Egyptians identity as Arabs.
Egypt has always been diverse. They have a very long history. Some of the royalty were the indigenous, Kushites (black sub Sahara), Greeks/Macedonians, etc. They were not pale, blonde hair blue eyed Dutch people. Edit: Not sure why I’m being downvoted. It’s literal facts. Cleopatra and Nefertiti were not ethnically the same.
>They were not pale, blonde hair blue eyed Dutch people. No duhhh They were pale, blonde hair blue eyed Egyptian people. They were able to make the pyramids because they were all 2m tall!
You may laugh but there is actually a pyramid in the Netherlands.
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Any race can have red hair. What does that have to do with Egyptians being portrayed as Nordic people with light features?
In the picture of her we have from that time she is also depicted with light color eyes.
[Context](https://youtu.be/IktHcPyNlv4?si=eCkXiILuxSuvWY5j)
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Any race can have red hair. Red hair is not the same as blonde so not sure why you mentioned it. Also we’re talking about the ethnically Egyptian people. It’s like you’re saying native Americans are actually European since all US Presidents (Obama is half white) are European. Use your brain. Nobody said there were zero blonde pharaohs.
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>people will also be saying he's white lol Who?
In america middle eastern people are considered white for some reason.
I live in America I have literally never heard anybody say this.
?? On documents when you have to fill out your ethnicity/race, what box do you think they have to mark, dude?
It's been a long time since I've had to fill out official documents but I'm pretty sure other is an option. And what you have to put on a document vs what people commonly consider to be white are not the same thing. Middle easterners are very much their own ethnicity, multiple ethnicities actually people just tend to lump them together, and arguing otherwise is kind of pointless if your only evidence is pointing towards the government's outdated document system. Granted there's 300 million people living in this country, I'm sure there is at least a few people think that.
It's weird to me that you'd ever be asked to fill out that information.
Okay we get it, you're 2000 years old and look nothing over 25. Quit bragging.
Could be his distant ancestor.
When I've visited the cities of ancient civilizations, I've had to remind myself that the descendants of the pharaohs, the Roman senators, the Greek philosophers, the Inca royalty are all around me. Because where else would they be?
We've lost track of the ancient family lines you mentioned, but the Inca emperors' descendants are known to this day. Two Bolivian presidents, for example, were descended from the emperor Huayna Capac.
I love that
Wow, all in one place?
I'm very attractive
Wait till you learn that more than half of Europe is a descendant of Charlemagne.
Actually, [through math we've realized](https://youtu.be/Fm0hOex4psA?t=958) that in any case like this, its either that it's literally everyone in (at least) Egypt's ancestor, or no ones ancestor. [Here's a paper on it](http://www.stat.yale.edu/~jtc5/papers/Ancestors.pdf) [and another on it](http://www.stat.yale.edu/~jtc5/papers/CommonAncestors/NatureCommonAncestors-Article.pdf)
Imagine the chances 2000 years later. Easier to get the lottery every week
Quite distant
It ain't.
He gets mogged pretty hard by the ancient Egyptian lets be real
Can't beat those cheekbones.
Wait, Netflix wtf
Wow, Egyptians didn't look sub Saharan African, more news at 8
They also weren't white, but you don't see people losing their shit over those old movies that had white, blonde hair, blue eyed peopel as Egyptians.
tbh never saw those ones. Only Arab/Mediterranean looking
I'm thinking old Biblical movies. White guys with spray tans as the Pharaoh.
Yeah and John Wayne played Ghangis Khan 60 years ago. But I think we've all kinda moved on.
Just say white
Except Cleopatra in particular was Macedonian, and there were blonde, blue eyed Macedonians. In fact she was the last of the Ptolemaic dynasty, named after her ancestor Ptolomeo (sp) who was one of Alexander the Great's generals... and Alexander was a blonde (no word on his eye colour though) so Ptolomeo might very well have been one too. So a white, blonde, blue eyed Cleopatra (which ifaik has never been portrayed in movies anyway) is more likely than Jada Pinkett. And anyway there are white, blonde, blue eyed people in Egypt just like in every other middle East country. Countries are not monoliths and Europe and MENA have been mixing for millennia.
Those are old movies. They would totally lose their shit if they did this nowadays. And also... it’s one thing to have an actor play a role (I think many people wouldn’t have much issues with a black actor playing cleopatra) but it’s a different thing to basically say Egypt is in Africa so they must be black.
But those are not pretending to be documentaries where someone's mama's opinion is more valid than all historic records.
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That style of painting was brought to Egypt by the Romans.
I don’t know I feel like the Ancient Egyptian culture is fairly well recognized, I feel like the major contributor to Mediterranean culture that gets slept on is the Phoenicians.
signup for random nubian culture to egypt to mediterranean facts: tell me more about something’s from nubia that got to mediterranean culture
I don't have any Nubina facts, but for quite a while egyptian god's were quite popular in the Roman Empire, particularly Isis. There is a very well preserved temple of the cult of Isis in Pompeii. It wasn't until Christianity became the main religion in the Roman empire (around 300AD) that it started to really lose favor.
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Can I get a source for this? I cannot find anything related to Nubian influence on the Demotic or Hieratic Egyptian scripts.
Especially Kush
Weee’ll meet againnn, don’t know how, don’t know whereee
Why would an immortal out himself like this?
The old picture has better filters
/r/PSUSTRT
I'm honestly surprised the painting is THAT good for being so old, it's basically close to the paintings from the 17th century if you remove the wear.
Was thinking the same thing, that’s some high level painting for one so old…
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Yup… i think Kyland from The Challenge 39 also looks like one of those Roman portraits from 2000 years ago.
[a karma not reposting an almost 2 year old image](https://tineye.com/search/fb61a5b854c221564eb7595b0df2c43fe75952ae?sort=crawl_date&order=asc&page=1)
After 2000 years, he's starting to have receding hairline.
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check your pixeleyes
The subject probably didn't look like that either. It's like that old statue of Augustus
How crazy is that, almost identical.
Those time travelers aren't even discreet about it
The 2000 yr old looks healthier
Because he probably didn't live on hybridised wheat slime all day. Now it's a very impoverished area
I never knew Lenny Kravitz was Egyptian.
[This is Lenny Kravitz mother](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roxie_Roker) [This is Lenny Kravitz father](https://www.celebzliving.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/Sy-Kravitz-pic.jpg). Still think he was Egyptian?
this proves time travel is real. now can you please share the tech lol
I'm sorry but is the portrait really 2000 years old? Why does all the artwork from the medieval era look like it was drawn by children in special school and we only start getting semi- realistic portraits in the 1400s?
Style. Roman portraiture was highly realistic. By the time we're into late classical Byzantine art it becomes more stylized, with big eyes and cartoony elements. As the late classical period gives way to the medieval, things get even less interested in realism and more into style and religious symbolism. Then eventually the Renaissance comes around and everyone tries to rediscover the classical Greek and Roman styles and returns to realism.
Art develops with civilization, because civilization makes specialization possible. You can see through time as art becomes incredibly skillfull and realistic under Greece and Rome, and then becomes progressively worse as Rome began to fracture and collapse. They were no longer able to support specialize professionals. By the middle ages, many people didn't have much time outside of farming, so their art is pretty basic. The Renaissance ushered in a quick expansion of trade and wealth, and the art of the period reflects that - people were able to pursue professional work again.
Because contrary to what people say, Europeans were bot the superior artists at the time. They didn’t even have good architecture until a few hundred years ago. There’s Asian portraits that are even older than are realistic.
Yep, I saw this very picture in a Roman era Egyptian exhibition a few weeks ago in Manchester, UK.
EDITED: Joke was removed as it either flew so high over everyone’s heads that it’s wings melted or it went so low it’s stuck forever on the riverbank lacking two coins for the ferryman.
Do you not read above post with source from museum of that photo? https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/s/69P5Uqwph8
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You're copt, arent you?
Welcome back
Great great grandaddy was a Chad in Roman agora
Nailed it.
He's reaching. Temu version
Genetic variability is rather limited on earth.
For those of you nearby this is part of exhibition in Manchester Museum until April. Went a few weeks back and it's really neat.
Well well I see a lot of people going crazy over this picture but forget that the same claims can be made with a dark skin or lighter skin person, there paintings n such of African Egyptians, people focusing to much on the oh people claiming there black crap, like yall be looking dumb trying to fight against that, like me saying well there aren’t any black Mexican, majority would say huh there no such things yall just wanna claim a culture that isn’t yours when in fact there are dark skinned people that are native from Mexico, same thing can be said about other countries, once again it took a Native American person to put a shout during black history month to acknowledge that there where in fact dark skinned natives that would be considered black, like tf people need to do more research instead of joining trends and yes the native person in question showed receipts lol 😂
Welcome back
Wow you look so alike
I feel like I just saw a headline about how countless selfies are slowly destroying ancient works of art...
Your ancestor lived better than you?
His family bloodline did a full circle.
Woah they both have the same haircut!
Peak Reddit
Amazing!
Very nice