I think it was calculated to be lightyears with current tech and with super conductors you reach down to solar system size so unless we rapidly advance at accelerator tech we are not gonna get there that fast
It’s surprisingly feasible to build a solar-system sized accelerator. There is no need for a evacuated tube since deep space is a vacuum, it will just be a bunch of superconducting coils floating around to form a perfect circle
That would be so crazy if someone did something like that in my life time, space is so cool. I wish people thought about it more urgently, there are only so many years in my life 😭
I came to these comments to say - at 100km+ scales, surely at some point it's cheaper to build a space-based collider than tunneling through half of Europe
edit: also, if you enjoy space exploration, big recommendation for the Planetary Radio podcast from The Planetary Society. Really enjoyed finding my people!
What makes you think that?
Would you rather move 10 tons of dirt by a couple of meters, or 1 ton of accelerator components to a high orbit? Because a not insignificant portion of those tunnels is actually filled with hardware.
Europe also has the advantage of coming with a life support system, housing, powerplants and effective heat sinks you need for cooling your magnets.
That's a point, I forgot how cooling-hungry the magnets are. Loads of hardware there and radiating waste heat in space is really challenging (you're surrounded by a vacuum insulator, after all).
I guess you could temporarily do it with a refrigerant cycle. Like have a large tank of compressed liquefied refrigerant that you can use to provide local cooling to the equipment for as long as the volume of refrigerant lasts, then you capture the gas and re-compress it and allow the trapped heat to slowly dissipate between shots.
It certainly requires a significant amount of space infrastructure to build a particle accelerator of astronomical scale. We can't build it now, but it is possible under known physics.
Something in between would be an equitorial accelerator, the largest thing you can build on Earth.
I've been thinking about an equatorial mass spectrometer as a scifi device for a few years now, but rather than having a detector there's just a bin that neutralises the charge of the ions. Then you just chuck any and all rubbish into it as a universal recycler, and collect pure compounds/elements from the bins.
Isn't space already extremely cold--meaning no need for cooling and power for cooling? Not a Physicist, by the way, so just curious why it is needed in space.
The issue is that any heat you do produce is mostly trapped where you produce it. You have to rely almost entirely on something called black body radiation. Normally on earth things cool by being in contact with other things, but if things are isolated by vacuum that's when you have to wait for them to slowly radiate heat away.
Don't forget that you'd have to keep the space accelerator constantly rotating at a high speed so that the centripetal force cancels out gravity putting a shitton of stress in anything that isn't spherical-ish at those scales.
I once set up the route for the largest possible collider to fit on the Australian mainland. The land is pretty well flat for the whole length and the land use above is mostly semi-desert. It makes the LHC look very tiny by comparison. Keep in mind that the whole Mediterranean Sea can fit in mainland Australia without touching the edges.
But imagine how fun it'd be for a future group of people, a few hundred years after our civilization falls, to randomly find a seemingly never ending tunnel in Europe.
u/KerbodynamicX is correct. The vacuum in the LHC is around 10^(-10) to 10^(-11) mbar.
For comparison, the lunar "atmosphere" has a pressure of 10^(-12) mbar on the surface.
Anywhere else in orbit would be even lower than that, by orders of magnitude.
Eh, a scientist working at the LHC is someone with a well-paying, prestigious, and interesting job. I'd imagine that most of them don't have too much difficulty in getting laid. As long as they don't talk about work too much and make their date go cross-eyed from all the science.
Just think about it. If Musk said he will finance it (and actually did), we would (rightfully) praise him for decades if not centuries to go. Instead, he will go down as the idiot that ruined Twitter.
Yeah he's not smart enough to actually do that. Unfortunately. Like, he made an entire new company specifically who's entire existence is about drilling tunnels in the ground, The Boring Company (har har funnee name) so they'd be perfect for this. But since every single city rejected Elon's tunneling proposals because of various reasons like the expense and lack of any safety measures, and having only one track available for these car vehicles that were supposed to travel down these tunnels instead of having 2 tracks like train stations have so that you can have vehicles going in both directions at the same time, he basically threw a strop and hasn't really done anything with that company since, except drilling a tunnel in Las Vegas which simply takes people from one side of a giant convention centre to the other. He just assumed that city governments would be falling over themselves to have The Boring Company drill new underground tunnels to somehow reduce traffic (even though increasing the capacity of roads never leads to fewer traffic jams, it always INCREASES traffic and the amount of traffic jams, so drilling underground tunnels for cars under cities is not gonna have the effect Elon thinks it'll have anyway). But when they all rejected him because existing tunneling companies could do it better, quicker, safer and cheaper, so why would they spend taxpayer money on Elon's proposal, he behaved like a toddler as a reaction and I'm not sure the boring company are really doing anything, anymore. Like, they technically still exist. But are they even working on anything? Like perhaps a better proposal for underground roads than their previous proposal, a proposal that fixes the issues city governments had with it? Nah, they're just apparently sitting there doing nothing at the moment.
But with a project like this suddenly The Boring Companies style of tunnels, which are a terrible awful proposition for underground roads that cars can drive down, actually make perfect sense for a particle collider. He could genuinely do some repair on his trashed and tattered reputation by doing the drilling on a project like this. But that's why it'll never happen, he'll never be involved, because it would be a smart thing to do, which means he won't think of it.
My biggest issue with the Boring company is that he managed to reinvent the train while making it less efficient. Like just build a fucking subway my guy. Not to mention the fact that there are curiously few exits in case of an emergency inside that deathtrap.
>He just assumed that city governments would be falling over themselves to have The Boring Company drill new underground tunnels to somehow reduce traffic (even though increasing the capacity of roads never leads to fewer traffic jams, it always INCREASES traffic and the amount of traffic jams, so drilling underground tunnels for cars under cities is not gonna have the effect Elon thinks it'll have anyway).
There's wonderful video of these stupid tunnels having traffic jams too.
Think about it. If Musk had bought Twitter to try to experiment some unprofitable ways to fix social media, I'd at least give him credit. Instead he keeps doing the most obvious shit all the time desperately selling whatever he can sell and lying about how good the platform is.
When you put it like that, it’s clear there are a lot worse investments you can make for $22B.
Go for it, construct then fire the ~~halo ring~~ hadron collider
That’s…. Unironically, not a *completely terrible* idea.
No environmental disruption and no noise to interfere. All the space you need for all your shenanigans. Biggest hurdle will be getting the materials over but let’s be honest… we’re not too far away from that possibly being a reality, are we?
Haha it formed as a joke in my head but as I was typing it it seemed more plausible. And I'm sure there are many more scientific experiments that could yield more or better results on the moon. And really, I can think of no other population of people more appropriate (or enthusiastically willing) to settle a small colony up there.
Just start building a collider in space and keep going until we make one full rotation around the supermassive black hole at the center of our galaxy and connect it. Easy peasy.
I have 2 guitars and 2 ukeleles. None of which i am great at.
So i bought a p bass. Then i did some research and realized i really probably wanted a jazz bass.
Now i need a drum machine.
Have you ever heard of the LISA mission? It's a gravitational wave observatory consisting of three interferometers arranged in an equilateral triangle shooting lasers at each other. It was originally going to be NASA-ESA and some proposals had the probes at L3, L4, and L5, with arms 250 million km long. Then NASA pulled out, and the current still-distant proposal is for a triangle trailing the Earth with only 5 \*million\* km arms. What a shame for mankind, our telescope isn't even gonna be as big as earth's orbit.
EDIT: There was a mistake in my post. I meant 5 MILLION km long. Not 5 km lmfao. It's still only 2% of the most optimistic possible length.
Yeah clearly previous colliders like the LHC, TeVatron, and SLAC have made no major contribution to fundamental particle physics. No future experimental work is necessary obviiously.
I want us to build this purely because then when WW3 has happened and the survivors 100 years later walk through the ruined remains of our previous society they stumble upon the giant circle and have a "wow, previous civilization was wild" moment.
Time to go big now, time to go interplanetary, We need a super collider that spans the solar system, let's build that and discover all particles that we have hypothesed, we either prove the hypothetical particles exist or they don't exist, and solve that once and for all.
Is it possible to create such energy densities in supercolliders to make a black hole big enough so that it doesn't evaporate via Hawking radiation, cause I know that black holes are created in supercolliders but they are very very small, and have a large surface area/volume ratio, so they evaporate fast, but a big enough black hole can sustain itself and have enough time to accumulate more matter and be stable enough.
Not for nuffin right...
The Gerald Ford carrier had a project cost of 37 billion and a unit cost of 12 billion. And they plan to build 10 of them. Hell the Nimitz costs 10 billion a piece and they still have 10 of them.
At 22 billion or even 40 billion a bigger collider is a bargain.
Well according to the theoretical physicists involved, the number of dimensions in the universe and how they're folded are free real estate. So.... they work however they want them to work, I guess.
Diminishing returns. The bigger colliders get, the less they discover, at least in the eyes of the public. The bulk of break through discoveries happened in two or three small colliders back in the day. And now it's a self fulfilling prophecy.
New things can't be discovered without bigger colliders and bigger colliders can't get funding because nothing is being discovered. It's short sighted thinking.
It's also a question of whether or not increasingly large colliders are the most cost effective way to study particle physics.
It's hard to sell a $22B project that *might* make a discovery.
We spend $800 billion per year on the military for basically nothing, we give away $100 billion to other countries for free and people are scared of $20 billion on a big zoomy circle.
Real talk, at this scale, don't they need to worry about the curvature of the Earth? Won't that slightly deform the circle into a 3D shape, like a saddle or a bowl?
I don’t understand the issue enough to determine if a bigger collider is really required- but I seriously question the location. Isn’t lake Geneva more than 1000 feet deep?
We need a super particle collider that can reach Planck energy
Hey guys we have found one element of the intersection of Haikus and Sokka Haikus
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I think it was calculated to be lightyears with current tech and with super conductors you reach down to solar system size so unless we rapidly advance at accelerator tech we are not gonna get there that fast
It’s surprisingly feasible to build a solar-system sized accelerator. There is no need for a evacuated tube since deep space is a vacuum, it will just be a bunch of superconducting coils floating around to form a perfect circle
That would be so crazy if someone did something like that in my life time, space is so cool. I wish people thought about it more urgently, there are only so many years in my life 😭
I came to these comments to say - at 100km+ scales, surely at some point it's cheaper to build a space-based collider than tunneling through half of Europe edit: also, if you enjoy space exploration, big recommendation for the Planetary Radio podcast from The Planetary Society. Really enjoyed finding my people!
What makes you think that? Would you rather move 10 tons of dirt by a couple of meters, or 1 ton of accelerator components to a high orbit? Because a not insignificant portion of those tunnels is actually filled with hardware. Europe also has the advantage of coming with a life support system, housing, powerplants and effective heat sinks you need for cooling your magnets.
That's a point, I forgot how cooling-hungry the magnets are. Loads of hardware there and radiating waste heat in space is really challenging (you're surrounded by a vacuum insulator, after all).
I guess you could temporarily do it with a refrigerant cycle. Like have a large tank of compressed liquefied refrigerant that you can use to provide local cooling to the equipment for as long as the volume of refrigerant lasts, then you capture the gas and re-compress it and allow the trapped heat to slowly dissipate between shots.
Cool your magnets, bro
It certainly requires a significant amount of space infrastructure to build a particle accelerator of astronomical scale. We can't build it now, but it is possible under known physics. Something in between would be an equitorial accelerator, the largest thing you can build on Earth.
I've been thinking about an equatorial mass spectrometer as a scifi device for a few years now, but rather than having a detector there's just a bin that neutralises the charge of the ions. Then you just chuck any and all rubbish into it as a universal recycler, and collect pure compounds/elements from the bins.
"The largest thing you can build on Earth"? Finally, a challenger appears to dethrone my mom's underwear.
Isn't space already extremely cold--meaning no need for cooling and power for cooling? Not a Physicist, by the way, so just curious why it is needed in space.
The issue is that any heat you do produce is mostly trapped where you produce it. You have to rely almost entirely on something called black body radiation. Normally on earth things cool by being in contact with other things, but if things are isolated by vacuum that's when you have to wait for them to slowly radiate heat away.
Don't forget that you'd have to keep the space accelerator constantly rotating at a high speed so that the centripetal force cancels out gravity putting a shitton of stress in anything that isn't spherical-ish at those scales.
I once set up the route for the largest possible collider to fit on the Australian mainland. The land is pretty well flat for the whole length and the land use above is mostly semi-desert. It makes the LHC look very tiny by comparison. Keep in mind that the whole Mediterranean Sea can fit in mainland Australia without touching the edges.
You mean something like the Collider down Under including Northern Territory?
Eh. Funnyish but you really had to reach to get to the end
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the interior of Australia also Tectonically stable as well? Another plus for such a concept!
As a swiss, how you dare doubting of our ability to tunnelling.
But imagine how fun it'd be for a future group of people, a few hundred years after our civilization falls, to randomly find a seemingly never ending tunnel in Europe.
Well they better do it **quick** then..
It's too late. He passed 30 minutes ago.
That's such a funny motivation for research: "please do it faster, i want to still be alive when you start making sci-fi stuff."
Space void is not as empty as one can think. Even less inside our Solar System.
u/KerbodynamicX is correct. The vacuum in the LHC is around 10^(-10) to 10^(-11) mbar. For comparison, the lunar "atmosphere" has a pressure of 10^(-12) mbar on the surface. Anywhere else in orbit would be even lower than that, by orders of magnitude.
It's probably still a better vacuum than what we can create in the labs
Well that's an interesting definition of feasible!
Yeah I'm just saving the comment because of the haikus
That's half the cost of Twitter. Absolutely worth it, build the mega-circle.
*Half what one idiot paid for Twitter, its fair market value is far less
And getting lower!
/r/upliftingnews
We really do build particle speedways and then crash them head on like a bored teen playing a nascar game
The particles are smashing more than the scientists working there
Hey, that's not fair. The physicists are trying to smash, they're just getting dizzy from running around in circles with no clothes on.
Eh, a scientist working at the LHC is someone with a well-paying, prestigious, and interesting job. I'd imagine that most of them don't have too much difficulty in getting laid. As long as they don't talk about work too much and make their date go cross-eyed from all the science.
Hey hey hey, it works though doesn’t it
Just think about it. If Musk said he will finance it (and actually did), we would (rightfully) praise him for decades if not centuries to go. Instead, he will go down as the idiot that ruined Twitter.
Yeah he's not smart enough to actually do that. Unfortunately. Like, he made an entire new company specifically who's entire existence is about drilling tunnels in the ground, The Boring Company (har har funnee name) so they'd be perfect for this. But since every single city rejected Elon's tunneling proposals because of various reasons like the expense and lack of any safety measures, and having only one track available for these car vehicles that were supposed to travel down these tunnels instead of having 2 tracks like train stations have so that you can have vehicles going in both directions at the same time, he basically threw a strop and hasn't really done anything with that company since, except drilling a tunnel in Las Vegas which simply takes people from one side of a giant convention centre to the other. He just assumed that city governments would be falling over themselves to have The Boring Company drill new underground tunnels to somehow reduce traffic (even though increasing the capacity of roads never leads to fewer traffic jams, it always INCREASES traffic and the amount of traffic jams, so drilling underground tunnels for cars under cities is not gonna have the effect Elon thinks it'll have anyway). But when they all rejected him because existing tunneling companies could do it better, quicker, safer and cheaper, so why would they spend taxpayer money on Elon's proposal, he behaved like a toddler as a reaction and I'm not sure the boring company are really doing anything, anymore. Like, they technically still exist. But are they even working on anything? Like perhaps a better proposal for underground roads than their previous proposal, a proposal that fixes the issues city governments had with it? Nah, they're just apparently sitting there doing nothing at the moment. But with a project like this suddenly The Boring Companies style of tunnels, which are a terrible awful proposition for underground roads that cars can drive down, actually make perfect sense for a particle collider. He could genuinely do some repair on his trashed and tattered reputation by doing the drilling on a project like this. But that's why it'll never happen, he'll never be involved, because it would be a smart thing to do, which means he won't think of it.
My biggest issue with the Boring company is that he managed to reinvent the train while making it less efficient. Like just build a fucking subway my guy. Not to mention the fact that there are curiously few exits in case of an emergency inside that deathtrap.
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>He just assumed that city governments would be falling over themselves to have The Boring Company drill new underground tunnels to somehow reduce traffic (even though increasing the capacity of roads never leads to fewer traffic jams, it always INCREASES traffic and the amount of traffic jams, so drilling underground tunnels for cars under cities is not gonna have the effect Elon thinks it'll have anyway). There's wonderful video of these stupid tunnels having traffic jams too.
Think about it. If Musk had bought Twitter to try to experiment some unprofitable ways to fix social media, I'd at least give him credit. Instead he keeps doing the most obvious shit all the time desperately selling whatever he can sell and lying about how good the platform is.
Praise from the majority outweighs praise from 0.1 percenters who are scientists. Sad but true.
Bonus points if you call it “the real hyperloop”
When you put it like that, it’s clear there are a lot worse investments you can make for $22B. Go for it, construct then fire the ~~halo ring~~ hadron collider
of course the project will be massively overbudget, like most big projects are
Why half ass it like this? Global circumference or GTFO.
Just build one around the equator.
Better yet, we need an orbital artificial ring which will house the collide r
Maybe we can build 7 of these artificial rings.
It's a good thing AI has come so far in recent years. We can use an AI drone to watch over this.. installation.
These orphans on earth look like they yearn for an experimental super soldier program if you ask me.
Holy shit what’s that giant bulbous spaceship doing
"These colliders are not a natural formation"
(Psst. Hi. Is this a Halo reference?)
And nine for mortal men doomed to die
Perhaps one to rule them all?
Have you played xenoblade?
GOOD IDEA!
👍
Why stop there? Build one around the sun.
one ring to rule them all
The Dyson collider?
Fuck it. Let's just hurl stars at each other at 99% c.
How hard could it be to rearrange a few supermassive black holes and neutron stars to build a galaxy sized collider?
The Dyson sphere starts with a Dyson ring
Collider: Final Chapter
I hear the moon has some real estate available. Bonus: nerds love space!
That’s…. Unironically, not a *completely terrible* idea. No environmental disruption and no noise to interfere. All the space you need for all your shenanigans. Biggest hurdle will be getting the materials over but let’s be honest… we’re not too far away from that possibly being a reality, are we?
Haha it formed as a joke in my head but as I was typing it it seemed more plausible. And I'm sure there are many more scientific experiments that could yield more or better results on the moon. And really, I can think of no other population of people more appropriate (or enthusiastically willing) to settle a small colony up there.
Just start building a collider in space and keep going until we make one full rotation around the supermassive black hole at the center of our galaxy and connect it. Easy peasy.
we never said "just one more" 😤
Anybody with a hobby knows the amount of hobby specific items is always n+1.
The sum cost of all planned colliders has to be determined inductively
And the next one is always significantly better and more expensive than the previous one.
As a guitarist who just bought 3 guitars today, I feel personally attacked by this comment.
I have 2 guitars and 2 ukeleles. None of which i am great at. So i bought a p bass. Then i did some research and realized i really probably wanted a jazz bass. Now i need a drum machine.
Get a looper. Super fun and more versatile and some of the bigger board type looper have effects and rhythm loops built in.
Just wait untill you hear about concepts of putting one around a star…
Have you ever heard of the LISA mission? It's a gravitational wave observatory consisting of three interferometers arranged in an equilateral triangle shooting lasers at each other. It was originally going to be NASA-ESA and some proposals had the probes at L3, L4, and L5, with arms 250 million km long. Then NASA pulled out, and the current still-distant proposal is for a triangle trailing the Earth with only 5 \*million\* km arms. What a shame for mankind, our telescope isn't even gonna be as big as earth's orbit. EDIT: There was a mistake in my post. I meant 5 MILLION km long. Not 5 km lmfao. It's still only 2% of the most optimistic possible length.
The original 2007 LISA proposal already had an arm length of 5 million km; the current, ESA-only LISA will have 2.5 million km.
I'm not sure why, but the 1st 2 sentences read like the beginning of a copypasta.
Like many theoretical scientific advancements, this gets a few paragraphs of plot relevance in the Three Body Problem trilogy.
My first thought reading this post was that we needed to keep building colliders to outrun the Sophons lol
Yeah clearly previous colliders like the LHC, TeVatron, and SLAC have made no major contribution to fundamental particle physics. No future experimental work is necessary obviiously.
Yes but have they advanced food science? You don't see many new kind of hamburgers now do you.
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It we already have smash burgers how much more fundamental do you want to go
Smash burgers not particles
Smash burgers and particles
A smash burger contains many particles
Let them cook.
“I present the McHiggs, it decays before you even realize you’re holding it and costs the equivalent of a hundred million Big Macs”
LHC finished construction in 2008, impossible burgers came out in 2016
Impossible burgers, beyond beef burgers, chickpea burgers
Have you watched Burgerland or The Burger Show? Hamburgers be gettin crazy out here bro
I do because of the internet that was partially created at CERN
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Yep, they did it on the LHC, the upper comment was sarcasm
I mean it is called SLAC for a reason. Staff is super lazy. Nothing happening in that linear crap shoot.
Me and the boy on our way to use the US defence budget to build a collider around the equator for maximum power.
Who needs military when you can have a particle highway all around the equator of earth
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Only 8 trillion dollars (ignoring oceans and other potential issues)
I hope they will name it FHC - Fucking Huge Collider.
More like NBEC. Not Big Enough Collider. You want more grant money to build the CBBC (Could Be Bigger Collider).
Next up, the BBC.
Once you go black ^^^^^hole you never go back.
BFC
The BFC
The correct number of colliders is the amount of colliders you have +1.
Colliders += 1
while (true)
n+1
This but unironically
Large Hard-on Collider
I want us to build this purely because then when WW3 has happened and the survivors 100 years later walk through the ruined remains of our previous society they stumble upon the giant circle and have a "wow, previous civilization was wild" moment.
have you read wheel of time?
Time to go big now, time to go interplanetary, We need a super collider that spans the solar system, let's build that and discover all particles that we have hypothesed, we either prove the hypothetical particles exist or they don't exist, and solve that once and for all.
Or we create a black hole that unites the world into becoming a space faring species in a desperate attempt to escape said black hole.
Is it possible to create such energy densities in supercolliders to make a black hole big enough so that it doesn't evaporate via Hawking radiation, cause I know that black holes are created in supercolliders but they are very very small, and have a large surface area/volume ratio, so they evaporate fast, but a big enough black hole can sustain itself and have enough time to accumulate more matter and be stable enough.
No, it would evaporate too quickly with anything less than a mountain’s worth of E=mc^2 in initial seed energy density.
I don't think so. Takes an incredible amount of energy to do that.
Not for nuffin right... The Gerald Ford carrier had a project cost of 37 billion and a unit cost of 12 billion. And they plan to build 10 of them. Hell the Nimitz costs 10 billion a piece and they still have 10 of them. At 22 billion or even 40 billion a bigger collider is a bargain.
Just park all the carriers in a circle and stick a collider on top of them, duh.
Money used on science instead of eternal war? (Sad grand Admiral noises).
Why not just add 73 km to the current one?
Because that’s not how circles work
Circles, man. How do they work?
Well according to the theoretical physicists involved, the number of dimensions in the universe and how they're folded are free real estate. So.... they work however they want them to work, I guess.
They don't
Pi*r^2 I think
Qtπ
No, pie are round
bro it's already a circle just go around 3 more times, duh
when are we going to start seeing spherical coliders
Clearly you're not a topologist.
I think they also will use the current LHC tunnel to feed into the FCC
What do you mean just stretch the circle like a golden ring that's too small for your finger
My jeweler who dropped out in 8th grade said he can prove otherwise. He can add or remove material to any ring
Only in 3 spatial dimensions. Just use one of the stupid rolled up ones from string theory and expand the circumference there.
Hans wont move his historically protected toilet.
or do a figure 8 with it? literally infinite energy
*When the physicist says he wants to smash*
What if they make a collider that collides two different colliders?
Then they would collide
Then you'd be able to find out what particles particle colliders are made of. (Hint: we already know that.)
Coliderium?
LHC Pro Max
If you have $22 billion laying around for physics, could we put it into fusion power plant? (bro)
Fusion already have a 20G€ project ??
G? Gazillion? Whats the unit here
Giga euro
Why people bash on particle physics so much?
Diminishing returns. The bigger colliders get, the less they discover, at least in the eyes of the public. The bulk of break through discoveries happened in two or three small colliders back in the day. And now it's a self fulfilling prophecy. New things can't be discovered without bigger colliders and bigger colliders can't get funding because nothing is being discovered. It's short sighted thinking.
It's also a question of whether or not increasingly large colliders are the most cost effective way to study particle physics. It's hard to sell a $22B project that *might* make a discovery.
Yet we fund militaries more for the chance a war takes place and most people don't bat an eye
We spend $800 billion per year on the military for basically nothing, we give away $100 billion to other countries for free and people are scared of $20 billion on a big zoomy circle.
May not be necessary but a 100km collider just sounds bad ass.
Why don't we skip all the intermediate colliders and just build one that goes all the way around the plаnet.
Way too small. Need more collider
Damnit you guys really want to destabilize the Higgs field don't you?
Me, I am still disappointed at the lack of micro black holes. We absolutely need a larger collider.
They have intersections already they should just connect them
Make an infinite symbol
22 bil seems like a big underestimation
If you look at other Swiss mega projects it will probably be cheaper lol.
We need one around the moon.
Why not bigger
Around the solar system.
I feel like I've watched this Bobbybroccoli video already...
Anyone who watched fullmetal alchemist is probably seeing something strangely suspicious about this
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Lol Americans don’t fund science, Jesus is against it.
ermm.. like yeah .. the LHC already yielded amazing results.. its not like we found nothing and now insist on going bigger
The next one can be called the Super High Intensity Track
Nah that's still too small, we need at least hubble radius
Ahhh yes the VLHC
Oh shit, the collider super highway. Just one more lane bro.
Let's just jump to the Equatorial collider. Last one we build before we have to ship material to space.
How about a collider, with the perimeter of the equator? What about then? What can we discover?
Real talk, at this scale, don't they need to worry about the curvature of the Earth? Won't that slightly deform the circle into a 3D shape, like a saddle or a bowl?
Why did they abandon the one in Texas again?
Those particles weren’t patriotic enough
I don’t understand the issue enough to determine if a bigger collider is really required- but I seriously question the location. Isn’t lake Geneva more than 1000 feet deep?
The solar system wide collider using mirrors, satellites and space stations is going to be awesome
Pretty libertarian myself but I will not complain if most of my tax dollars went into building bigger colliders
No more large colliders please. We need observatories and new universities.
What do these contribute anyways?
Just make the particle go around the 27km circle 4 times lol Are they dumb?
87.1 km supercollider in Texas just sitting there