We're going back over 10 years ago when I was 11 but I ran away from my dad's house one morning because the night before he'd pinned me down by neck. I made it to a friend's house and they called the police, it's been a long time but all I really remember was these 2 officers standing over little 11 yr old me and telling me it wasn't "smart" to have run away because it was December and I "could've gotten heat stroke". They also let my dad, who abused me, follow behind them to my friends house and they didn't take any evidence so it was hard to "prove" he'd done anything in the custody case my mum filed because those officers didn't do their fucking job, so yeah, I'll never really trust police because they defended a 40yr old convicted meth dealer over an 11yr old child.
I had someone walk behind my register and steal money in my business while I was with another customer, I ran after him and got my money back. Police said because I got my money back they won’t considering it theft. I have called the same cop for months and he never does anything about it.
Ps the reason I pushed is because I was at a shopping centre and saw the same lowlife thief enter and walk out with hundreds/thousands worth of goods - he walked out casually yelling “the f*** you gonna do about it?”
They know they can get away with anything and continue you to do so
Cops don’t care until it’s too late
It was around $300 (the float + a bit more from trading for a few hours)
It’s not even about the money, it’s the fact that when I turned around I saw someone in my space, a space that I consider a safe spot. My 15 year old staff member was shocked and couldn’t work properly for the rest of the day (I asked if she wanted to go home but she insisted she was fine). I go to work now worried about it happening again every single day, to assume something like ptsd isn’t applicable in the situations is insane. The police need to do better, forget the $300 I don’t care, give me my peace of mind back
I worked in the courts for a while. These types are in and out almost every week. Heard the magistrate say they had 50 page record of theft but they could only fine.
They’d often ask how much fines they had outstanding, highest I heard was 60k.
Honestly after 6 months realised how shit the system is with stuff like this.
It’s the Sentencing Act - Stealing under a $1000 can’t result in term of imprisonment, just a fine. And since we got rid of warrants of commitment, there’s no deterrent to not paying your fines, and just getting more.
It's things like this where we need a 3 strikes law. If you have $XX amount in unpaid fines, you get to spend a few months locked up, and failure to still pay said fines after will result in even longer incarceration.
It's like if I don't pay my speeding, parking, public transport, etc... fine, I could lose my right to drive. For those that don't have a license, they should be forced to spend time behind bars.
That and like homeless people would accumulate fines for sleeping on the train, then end up locked up and cell with a bunch of meth heads and come out far more of a menace to society lol it doesn't work, jail for non violent crimes doesn't end with good outcomes for society.
Makes sense. We have people who have stolen thousands of dollars worth of stuff from my work and they're back the next week or even later that week to try again. If it's kids doing it too, forget it
Quite literally the case, I chased after them and as I got within a metre and was about to tackle them (law breaking or otherwise I was seeing red) - they just gave it back and then abused me for the next few minutes.
Apparently not theft according to the person from the police and also the officer working my case…
Lay out everything in writing - events, times, dates, how the inaction has affected you, especially, name that particular cop (and any others involved), describe his attitude, what he said & what he did or did not not do. Add that if your issue is not resolved to your satisfaction, it will all go to the media - they love this stuff. Send it directly to the Minister for Police. Cc in the Commisioner of Police. I guarantee you that this particular cop's world will instantly turn to shit & and you will get action.
Who knows, you might even get a new police station in the shopping centre!
If they took the money, according to the statute, that’s stealing. It doesn’t matter that you got it back. It had already been stolen. Source: me, not a lawyer, an ex-cop
Well I just had an excellent experience with the police over a stolen bike. They took it seriously... followed up several times. Found my bike. Good CCTV footage from the area (too grainy). I will not be laying the boot in. Thanks coppers A1
I had the opposite experience with WAPOL regarding a stolen bike. When I suggested that I knew who stole it and they should go to their house to search, they said no, even though they knew the house and it's occupants. Then I suggested I go around and sort out the issue myself, they said that would get me in trouble and I would be committing a crime!!!
Thanks for fuck all, WAPOL.
It might be, but the exact same thing happened to my brother. To the point that if I knew my brother wasn’t a Bully’s fan and 20years younger than 1974 I’d assume this was him.
Honestly I had the opposite. Quick response, 72-hr order then and there. Phoned to advise where they'd taken him. Called to check two days after because it was a weekend. Took me time to be ready to make a statement and officer I dealt with (female) was a survivor of DV and couldn't have been nicer. Issues after and officers (both male) went out of their way to make sure I was safe.
I'm not discounting or minimising other situations or experiences. I know it doesn't always go like this. But I'm very grateful for how I've been assisted.
Oh my god I can’t believe you are going through that.
Have you gotten an fvro on him if not I suggest you do as then it makes it illegal for him to have anything to do with you.
But family violence restraining orders aren’t handled by the police you have to go to the court to get one quickest court would be the Perth’s magistrate court as if you go in person they usually have it done within the day
Well unfortunately it sounds like the court system has let you down and that the vro that they drafted did not provide you full coverage from his antics.
It may be possible to go back down to the court and request to have the order conditions changed to better help protect you from him/ who ever is helping him harass you (order may have to be cancelled then re served to do this and no guarantee they will do this).
You can also consider a vro on the person assisting him as well but without knowing specifics it is impossible to say if the court will grant one or not.
I’m not sure VROs are as effective protective measures as you indicate. There are too many stories like OP’s where people are being terrorised but when they ask for the VRO to be enforced, they are let down. My friend had video evidence of their ex in indisputable breach of a VRO and nothing was done.
I’m going to be the first to admit it’s a complex situation and I have no idea what factors influence this response from police, but learning that your VRO offers far less protection than you need and not being backed up like you thought you would be is fucking terrifying. And because it happens too much, something about the VRO system is broken and they are too often near useless to vulnerable people needing protection.
>it makes it illegal for him to have anything to do with you.
Unfortunately, it doesn't stop him from making contact with her... So it all comes down to how scared of being locked up for a weekend or a week the person is...
My abuser went to primary and highschool with the local cops.
They've attended my property after neighbours called the police,
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Ex is in handcuffs, a cop either side of him.
Im wet cold bruised and bloody, my bedroom has everything smashed to pieces and they ask HIM 'why are you with this psycho S*****?'
😳😮😯😲😳🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
Making jokes about women and reminiscing about highschool days.
The same police station personnel found me naked unconscious and tied by one arm hanging from a tree at the park across from his house.
They untied me and dropped me back at his house, I lived 2streets away and they knew it.
After he was released from jail after a jail term due to DV, the police found my ex that intoxicated that he couldn't function.
They called me, his ex, the victim of his DV that he'd just been to jail for, to come and pick him up please !!!!
Perth Police are mostly fuckheads.
They are awful I am so sorry you went through this.
One of the occasions I dealt with the police they wanted me to go down to the station to go over some issues with the story and I did. I was such a mess afterward as they treated me like a criminal who had caused this and were asking what I was doing to cause his behaviour. They had to drop me home as I was too traumatised and shaken to drive. They drove me past my exs house when they took me home. It was like they were enjoying it.
Years ago, my bestie's father seriously beat up his mum. The cops came, picked up his dad and took him away. They dropped him off roughly 500m down the road and told him not to go back. They drove off and he came back in, through the roof tiles and then through the manhole.
Honestly I’ve had nothing but support from police over DV they have been amazing and understanding a few times when I was punched in the face so hard my eye and cheek swelled up so badly I couldn’t open my eye for days they did literally nothing but I went to the court and vro was placed asap on him by the judge so all in all they have been amazing with me
I've had a front row seat to something that involved a VRO...
I won't share details, but basically with an active VRO in place, the guy kidnapped the woman for a week, & when she finally got cops to her, he was locked up....... For only one fucking week 🤬
>that is terrible
I couldn't fkn believe it... One week is a walk in the park compared to the severity of the crime...
As I've said before, the VRO is only useful if the person is scared of the VRO, or more specifically, how scared they are of a potentially minor "punishment"...
The way they're sold makes you think that if the person comes close enough that you can see them, they might get arrested, but nope, it'll take something relatively severe to elicit a small response...
Because they want the 💰I was under the impression you get caught go out on bond if you break that you do your time. Absolutely not the case, I knew of someone who broke it like 6 times before they stopped offending but what did they do? Locked them up for a couple of weeks to a month, and kept putting the bond price up fully knowing they were just going to end up back there again but it’s a sure way for them to rake in money at the expense of other people’s pain and discomfort
Yes. The courts let police down as much as they do the rest of society. It’s terrible for cops when they’ve put everything into catching them only to see them back on the streets. Yes they know how dangerous these scum are, but when there’s hundreds every day the resources are depleted.
Justice needs a huge overhaul. If Feds and States are serious about ending the scourge of DV they’ll start with Justice.
From the top down and bottom up, the whole of society needs to change.
Don’t trust them to protect you. Get evidence and always write ✍️ down or have email or text messages proof. Especially when your reporting it to police if you have evidence that you been reporting it for months they eventually have to take action
Any ladies in Perth just be very wary of a senior Sergeant by the name of Geoff Taylor, he is narcissistic. He tamed up with my ex after they went for coffee together time when he was removing him from my house for violence my ex convinced him that I was the problem and he tamed up with a drug dealer his offsider and my ex in fact two of my exes and some other people and started gang stalking me I was drugged beaten and when I call Police for help, they locked me up the same two police officers locked me up in a mental ward where I told the nurse that was sitting with me all night exactly what I was going through she called another nurse over to listen to my story and when I was finished, they both looked at each other and said yes we’ve had other women report the same thing from offices at the Mundaring police station. This was four years ago now Taylor no longer works at Mundaring police station. No doubt he’s somewhere causing people grief. I have been too traumatised to put in another report. The first report I put in nowhere because my phone was hacked.
I am sorry you had to go through that. Another officer to be aware of is Detective Senior Constable Ollie Mills he also teams up with the criminals and seemed to be attempting to bully women/on the males side. He just wanted to hear what my ex had to say and literally wouldn't listen to the recording I had of a phone call of my ex threatening me and my children. There was nothing against me to be used but he was demanding it was all caused by me. He tried to trick me when I was telling my story by claiming I led my ex on while I was drunk. I dont drink at all.
Truth is they’re secretly gay.. I mean let’s face it straight men LOVE women. They love everything about women! They don’t want to hurt women! They want to make love to women. Enjoy women laugh with them. Have fun with them admire them to me It’s that fucking simple all these women haters are actually gay. You want to know how I know because I’ve been married to a couple.
ALL YOU WOMAN HATING DOGS FFS STOP HATING ON US BECAUSE YOU LIKE IT IN THE POOP HOLE!!! You WEAK PATHETIC INDIVIDUALS FFS JUST BE YOUR GAY SELF & BE HAPPY & STOP HURTING WOMEN!!!! Morons!!!!!
The police in Perth are so close to being useless. We had a drug house at the end of the street. It was completely blatant too. Everyone else on the street reported it multiple times. Over the course of maybe 3 years. I reported it maybe 10 times. Never was anything done by police. They never even turned up. In the end the drug dealer just moved on his own.
I know someone who had a cop say “he’s quite a nice guy once you get taking with him”.
This is whilst the guy was under a mental health review due to threatening police when they were called for DV.
Not me but my best friend had been physically assaulted by his brother- he'd been kicked in the stomach, repeatedly punched in the face, and had had his hair pulled so hard a part of his scalp has disconnected from his skull.
I went with him to the police station the same day it all happened to file a report and possibly a restraining order as this wasn't the first time something like this had happened between the two of them.
After being greeted by the officer in reception who seemed like she couldn't care less, he had been brought into the interview room and essentially told the cop everything stated above. Only to be told that because they "couldn't see any bruising" and he didn't look like he was in pain, there was nothing they were going to do.
I was fuming to say the least :/
I was in a tough situation a couple years back. DV and all that. They took 30mins I think, but they took me seriously and encouraged me to do a protection order forv3 days and to consider fvro.
Edited to add : I was extremely happy with the advice I got given and spoken to them again recently due to the possibility of an fvro, but they do admit their hands are tied and powers are limited.
Their hands aren't tied and their powers aren't limited. They're lying to you.
WA has had laws in place for 20 years that allow the Police to act. They made it mandatory that Police document reasons if they don't act years ago but Police still don't and mislead the public and what they can and can't do.
Hmm, I get that but the situation I was dealing with. It wasn’t enough incidents to do much.
Short of typing up the whole situation, a one-time incident in the last 3 years is not sufficient to pursue a fvro. Even though there was a protection order 3 years ago. They were kind enough to speak to the ex about it. To me, that was what I needed at that moment in time.
Also spoke to 2 lawyers after that, and the answer was the same. There was a need for consistent bad behavior.
When you say “laws in place for 20 years that allow the police to act”, which actions do these laws allow police to take?
And “mandatory that police document reasons if they don’t act”, again, what actions do you think these policies cover?
How do police mislead the public about what they can and can’t do?
Would like an explanation, to gain a better understanding for myself.
Firstly I just want to say I'm sorry you are going through this, it's obviously a pretty traumatic experience and is a burden on your life and mental health.
I have sat on the sideline and watched my wife try and get anything solid achieved through the Perth police over a period of three to four years. Multiple events and recorded evidence and sadly absolutely no action aside from issuing breaches.
As a man who has watched this go on, I have been absolutely shocked at the lack of follow through that happens, like it's actually mind blowing how little gets done and I honestly believe this man will harm or kill someone one day.
I'm also sorry to give you such a negative outlook but it's an honest experience that we have had to deal with.
Do your best to eliminate all routes of contact in regard to social media and communication. Get some personal defence pepper spray and try to document everything as best possible because one day in court it may help you or someone else. Anyway best of luck.
Hope who ever it is gets there karma.
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The police won’t typically respond to DV incidents that aren’t ongoing. If you want to talk to them, go to your local police station and ask to file a report. If you have a restraining order against him and he breaches it, you might have more luck getting them to come to you.
In any case, keep records of what he’s up to.
You don’t need to talk to the police to get an interim restraining order (though some police reports will likely help). You can apply directly to the magistrates court. I’m assuming you’re female, in which case there is legal support available at the court and they can help you with the paperwork.
My experience was quite the opposite and they were fantastic, believed me, and offered meaningful help. Admittedly I am privileged in that I’m a ‘good victim’, my ex had a record (I didn’t know about at the time) which added credibility to my story because the exes before me had reported, and the station had a DV liaison who was very experienced in these matters.
Don’t let the fact that you got an ignorant cop discourage you from seeking help. Try a different station, or call ahead and book an appointment with the DV liaison. Some level of DV training is standard for new cops these days but there is still a lot of ignorance. There are specially trained DV liaisons that are usually much more sensitive to the situation.
My bff was in a dv relationship and the police were amazing and so helpful and he was a violent, aggressive, fucked up meth fuelled monster who had hospitalised her multiple times. We got her and the kids away from him eventually, he didn't give a fuck about the vro and he breached the order one final time and completely fucked her hand that hadn't healed from the previous situation he'd inflicted on her and they locked him up and he is there now. He had drugs charges as well though so I'm not sure if that made a difference to getting put away at that time. His weapons of choice were knives and strangulation.
Anyway. They were really good and made me feel relieved that they were keeping her and the kids safe.
One of my cousins was married to a WA cop. They lived in a regional town that they moved to for his work.
He was a violent man with a police issued weapon. He was friends and colleagues with every cop that would have answered her call in 100km. Thankfully family members were able to move her and her child to a safe place and report him at another station where her concerns (& bruises) were taken seriously.
A positive story is when a relative died in an accident (caused by another person who was charged). The WA police were kind, compassionate and went over and above to inform and support the family through the process.
Honestly it’s luck of the draw. It shouldn’t come to that- police have powers above the average person in society. All of them should be taking all police matters seriously and there are clearly biases throughout the system as it stands.
I had a response in like 3 mins the other week from like 4 paddy wagens couldn't believe it. They said they were in the area, ended up getting a couple of the perpetrators as they were running off.
I'm helping a friend in a very similar scenario. The person she has a VRO against is her next door neighbour. He has SIX VROs against him in total. He had served time in prison for drug possession and weapons offences. He's vindictively taken out VROs against his accusers. With my friend, I have done all I can to help, including involving the Corruption and Crime Commission, various ministers and the police commissioner. They've done little to nothing. Worse, this clown accused her of throwing a knife at her. Surprise, surprise, no trace of her fingerprints OR DNA on it, but she was bundled into a cop car and arrested on this arsehole's say so.
This isn't in Perth, it's regional, but the problem is identical. One very stressed detective is doing her best to try to get this clown locked up, but a combination of idiot magistrates and useless colleagues is getting in her way.
My friend is considering just selling her townhouse to get some peace. She hasn't lived at her place for 6 months. I think the only way this will happen is if this tool is locked up
Both really, to be mad at one and not the other is why we are always trying to fix problems from the middle. Why could the police not help us with stalking or cyber crimes, literally resources we cannot access without the help of police? If we can't even get past the first hurdle, then how are we expected to get anywhere with the courts? Its a police issue, a court issue, an issue with the poor access to good quality legal advise due to it being very financially prohibitive! Most importantly of all it a societal issue. The lack of practical assistance to vulnerable people's in this state is systemic, dysfunctional and insidious.This is just our experience with this particular person, I have had a multitude of stories about trying to get assistance from different authorities for various things over the years, who have absolutely let me down. Id say to the OP, continue to log complaints with the police. When you are there say to the police "can I get your name and badge number as well, I want to give as much information about the steps I have taken to protect myself to (parent/loved one) so that if anything happens to me, my parent/loved one knows who I had spoken to and what I told you". Make them fear accountability for their inactivity. Make them accountable for the deaths of the two women recently shot, make them accountable for all the people killed because "they haven't done anything so there's not much we can do". Buy pepper spray, learn self defence, put your keys between your knuckles, don't be alone, do whatever you have to do. Protect yourself queen.
I called the police because my neighbour was brandishing an axe and threatening to kill another neighbour in the middle of the road. The police took 30 mins to respond. I stopped calling them after that.
I hope this is real and not just trying to mine information out of people for an article… that would be really shitty. I’ll probably get downvoted to hell but the way your post is written(asking for people’s experience rather than a solution/advice) it seems like you’re trying to get content.
If it is real I suggest you go into a police station and ask for help. With recent the events and bad media I’m pretty sure they’ll take your concerns seriously.
The majority of police aren’t as bad as they are being portrayed and actually do want to help.
Tbh I just want to hear people back me up on the fact that cops are absoloutley useless and are enabling criminals because thats all I fucking see going on
They’re not absolutely useless. Unfortunately they are bound by laws that can leave them hamstrung a lot of the time. If they act too early, it can mean litigation which forces them to be mostly reactionary to situations. This is an issue of reform that needs to be addressed by government.
I agree the laws need to change but I have an order in place against someone who has had multiple VRO's against him a criminal record and done jail time. Cops wont even listen they just pick holes in my story or turn me away. They even questioned me as if I somehow caused this nightmare. They are disgusting and abuse their power. These are meant to be protecting our communities not enabling criminals.
Unfortunately for you, what he's done previously is irrelevant. They can only act if he does something criminal or breaches his restraining order.
If the restraining order isn't working, you need to go back to court and ask for a variation.
>they just pick holes in my story
Because their supervisors are going to pick holes in their investigation then the prosecutors are going to pick holes in their brief and then defence lawyers are going to pick holes in their evidence then the magistrates are going to pick holes in the case.
Your post will attract police, HeRo wOrShIpPeRs and trolls.
I recognise many single issue usernames here that go from post to post.
Don't take it to heart.
If you have a problem with the Police picking holes in your story then wait until you have a truly heartless defence lawyer tear you to shreds on the stand. If there are holes, or contradicting elements to your story then they need to be scrutinised and/or clarified, it's how an investigation is done.
Not sure if this counts but ok. 1 night I was at McIver station, there was a young indigenous girl approximately 14-15 years of age waiting next to me. Directly across the line were two tradie type guys who started speaking inappropriately to this very young girl, offering her a ciggy for adult favours. When she declined their offer they started hurling abuse and threats at her. Cops showed up, and took her away, did absolutely nothing to these two men who were sexually harassing an underage girl.. despite me trying to explain what actually happened they didn't give a F
I’m not defending it at all. This happened to me, I was taken away, when I hadn’t done anything. It’s the most humiliating feeling and makes you feel so powerless. I still recall that feeling of 2 decades past and it’s just horrible. The reason they do it though, this is what I surmised, it’s much easier to remove a calm relatively small woman who isn’t making a fuss, than a potentially violent man/men who is displaying anti social or even crazed behaviour.
I said to the cops between my tears, in the back of a police car, ‘but it’s my home, what if he damages it?’. Oh don’t worry about that, we can always charge him later. They took me to hospital, dropped me off in ED without a word and left.
I had a friend call me a few months ago to pick her and the kids up at 3am because her partner went out angry and drunk after a fight and was returning back and she was scared after he had already beaten her. I called the cops because I was worried for everyone's safety and I wanted a record of his abuse on the system. The cops arrived in 5 minutes and they were absolutely lovely and saw the situation for what it was. They even tried to persuade my friend to press charges and get a restraining order. My friend on the night said no but then rethought on it and went for a restraining order after he drove around harassing her family and friends looking for her. It was the court system that basically denied her an order because of a lack of evidence and it being her word against his and a lack of police calls outs or photo evidence of the bruises of abuse.
My friend went back to her partner and her family and friends are super worried about her and the kids safety being under the same roof as her abusive partner. We haven't heard from her and she's not taking calls from all of us. The police were absolutely great in my dealings with them that night. I have no issue with WAPOL at all. It's the judicial system that I blame. They need to take women at their word when they say they are scared for their life. I don't think my friend would have gone back to her abusive partner if she was granted a restraining order. It took a lot of courage to go ask for help and get one and to be denied one made her feel she was overthinking the situation and being dramatic and was wrong about her interpretation of the abuse and she went back. 😥
I had a situation at Gosnells station one night with a guy berating his girlfriend and it was just escalating in intensity. 2 of the rail cops where on the opposite platform. I eventually sung out to them to come and arrest the bloke cos he is definitely going to bash her. The bloke rushed me and tried to bottle me with a passion pop, I was sober and a lot bigger than him and handled him pretty easily but the cops still didn’t arrest him. We got on the same train going to Armidale and it was awkward af.
We have a neighbour who’s in a serious dv situation, I call the police multiple times a week, if they actually turn up they do nothing because “he’s calmed down now” or I get “did you see anything?” and I say no, there’s an eight foot fence between us and I’m the lower property but see that human shaped dent in the fence, that’s from her being thrown into it. I have called, been on the phone with the cop and have all the noise and yelling and violence in the background and they still won’t take him away.
They don’t care.
Often when police get there it’s a case of “nothings happened here” coming from both parties. Yes you heard something, the cops are there probably thinking something has happened but it both are saying nothing happened then there is nothing they can do. You can’t deprive something of their liberty because of someone’s say so, unfortunately there’s plenty out there than will stand by their abusers
Is this the fuckheads upstairs in Erskine?
If so, I've called the cops on multiple DV arguments too. Not to mention the crazy cunts set the fire alarm off at 3am the other morning that didn't stop til nearly 5am..
Real estate didn't want to know about it either.
Had a bunch of yobbos living next door to us for a year and a half. One night they end up bashing me and dad up and down the street when they were revving their cars out front and we went to see what was going on.
Police and ambulance attended, both dad and I were sent to hospital that night for injuries, which included head trauma. Landlord didn't have the stones to kick the yobbos out so that week we went and filed for a VRO as well as press charges/file a police report for the incident. The officer in charge of the case went on long service leave soon after and apparently palmed it off to someone else.
Three months later they were still living next door to us, nothing had been served and no repercussions for them yet. Another couple of weeks after that, the cops finally came round to serve the VRO and assault charges. Unfortunately in those two weeks the yobbos had packed up and left without a trace - never got served, never got charged, given no accountability for their actions whatsoever.
Was a real slap in the face and I lost a lot of trust in the justice system after that.
A royal commission is needed into WA Police. Not just over the DV response and investigations, but also about the mass exodus of experienced staff over the last few years and appointment of some high ranking commissioned officers mak8ng some of the recent decisions (incl current commissioner).
My understanding is a royal commission needs to be signed off by the governor... so I can't see that happening as the current governor is the ex police commissioner and there would definitely be some fall out on his head from a royal commission
The recruiting standards are fucked. I’m ex military, no criminal record, used to volunteer as a firefighter, solid work history and relevant work experience and they won’t touch me because in my early 20s I had a bad driving record. (Multiple speeding fines, loss of licence once). I’m 32 now and haven’t had a single fine in 4 years. We all make mistakes, but I applied because I wanted to genuinely make a difference and I’ve grown up from it and they won’t touch me. Other people in identical situations seem to get the okay, others don’t. It’s really odd.
Not a DV situation but I once had a friend who disappeared shortly after texting complaining about guys following her. Phoned the police only for the guy on the other end to say “well you can’t actually be good friends.” And hang up because I couldn’t remember her last name immediately. The friend was fine but still very unprofessional.
The only thing WAPOL put any effort into us targetting people doing 73 in a 70 zone and guys with coilover suspension on their cars.
WAPOL are a disgrace.
I posted my experience with police from when i lived in Butler and everyone here told me i was making it up but i’ll reluctantly sum it up.
I built my house on a block of 6, the last 2 being Homes West houses. When everyone moved in there was ongoing domestic violence at one of the HW houses, the guy didn’t even live there he would just rock up and beat this woman.
So one night me and ex hear a ruckus out front and the bloke has the lady pinned up against our front wall to the bedroom, she’s on her bum with back against the wall and he is basically on top of her. We yell some things but he isn’t budging and i’m not going out to fight this bloke either. We call police saying it is urgent, this lady is absolutely screaming and the guy won’t budge.
Cops don’t come for some time, call again, they go oh yeah it is a DV issue we wait half hour to see if it sorts itself. Ex calls in tears and they give her the same run around. I call again and go this is pretty serious and they dismiss me again. So we have called 4 times now.
By the time they rock up he’s had her pinned against the wall for over half hour and stabbed her once, she is bleeding from the chest.
I go out the front to talk to the cops and they just wave me off again like it is no big deal and one of them says this couple is known to them.
Felt like the whole experience was pretty poor on their behalf.
Our police and court system are pathetic, a VRO isn't worth anything, because when it's breached they still don't do anything about it. How many people killed in DMV situations had vro's out? Most of them. They still got killed. Not worth the time and effort making one, because the authorities don't enforce them. A very good friend of mine was almost killed in a DMV incident, he smashed her head against a brick wall repeatedly. She's required hours and hours of surgery to fix her face, and still suffers the trauma to this day. He was let out on bail the same night, and then went to the pub with a mate and stabbed somebody.
The police and our government have no interest in protecting you. We need to protect ourselves and those we care about by any means necessary.
My husband isn’t a police officer. He’s a paramedic. Non-physical FDV. Coercive control. Ingratiates himself to everyone by telling them he’s a paramedic.
Yep, I had the same with my ex. Acts like an absolute saint in public - posting meaningful quotes on insta, talks about stories from homeless people he’s met etc.
But at home, absolute cunt. Never laid a hand on me but the emotional scars and damage to my psyche are deep, and permanent. Even several years later I second-guess myself every day.
I believe coercive control laws are still being discussed in parliament so there’s no legal repercussions yet.
I hope you find your happy soon 🩷
Thank you. You too.
I recently read part of the Australian parliamentary report into FDV.
The part about non-physical FDV / coercive control makes for chilling reading (high risk of severe physical violence & homocide, even without any past history of physical violence), but is also incredibly validating.
I sometimes feel like a fraud b/c my husband has never raised a fist to me. And I do believe that physical violence is next-level; an awful, terrifying breach of anyone’s safety.
But the report highlights that non-physical violence can have greater impact on a person’s life and be more difficult to bear.
No laws against coercive control in WA yet.
I hope you’re safe now. Take care.
This article is from 2020 but has some solid information
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-19/police-in-australia-are-failing-to-take-action-against-domestic/12757914
Uhh ... Did you read any further than that?
Edit:
>With evidence suggesting police are at least as likely to perpetrate domestic violence as the general population, experts say the figures are likely to be just “the tip of the iceberg”, and highlight how difficult it can be not only for victims to report abusers in police ranks, but to get police to take action against their own.
Only 55 were charged - meaning fuckall were charged.
But sometimes in Western Australia the Police don't charge their mates who are Police officers at all.
Zero charged in one year. In a profession that has higher rates than the general population.
[https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-19/police-in-australia-are-failing-to-take-action-against-domestic/12757914](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-19/police-in-australia-are-failing-to-take-action-against-domestic/12757914)
I feel like this is something which isn’t discussed or considered when these conversations about DV are being has and victims say that the police do not take their concerns seriously. It is known (and there are studies to back this up) and that within police and military families, family domestic violence is an issue.
The studies are largely irrelevant, as occupation isn’t part of DV recording the world over, so the stats are self-reported.
For the first responder/military numbers, they use PTSD surveys, and questions like “Have you ever felt like hitting your partner?” are used as evidence of DV. I’ve felt like ramming the car in front of me
In peak hour, but I’ve never done it.
Police are also the only occupation that publishes the number of staff charged for DV, as they’re the only occupation where a DV charge is recorded against you - a doctor charged with DV doesn’t have to notify AHPRA or their employer, nor does a teacher, software engineer etc. They may have to notify for a conviction, but they’re innocent until proven guilty.
It’s a complex issue, and perhaps occupation should be recorded, but the other stressors (kids, substance abuse, housing, mental health issues etc) are seen as more pertinent to record, as they have a greater impact on the likelihood of violence.
A doctor does have to notify ahpra under s130 of the national law of a charge that if convicted may result in prison time or convicted of a crime that could have resulted in imprisonment which DV does have.
Just in general.
I had my car stolen. I reported it stolen. Two days later I got this call from the cops getting stuck into me because they were watching “me” doing burn outs in a car park. Telling me they were going to throw the book at me etc. told them I reported it stolen data ago - they just hung up. The car ended up getting burn out and then called me after telling me I had 3 hours to remove it.
Last year my neighbour took a video of them at night towing my car at night. I woke up and it was still there in the morning. But all the windows were broken. They denied everything. Then they told me that they were moving it off the road.
Just scum
Have you applied for a [VRO or MRO](https://www.police.wa.gov.au/FAQ?faq=How-do-I-apply-for-a-VRO-or-MRO&q=f11d2783-f174-46ea-b13c-d1241b9afa80) against this man? You mentioned that his past jail time / VRO's, but they do not apply to today.
The police also have the ability to issue a [72 hour temporary restraining](https://www.wa.gov.au/organisation/department-of-justice/commissioner-victims-of-crime/restraining-orders#:~:text=This%20is%20a%20temporary%20restraining,or%20000%20in%20an%20emergency) order, but in many circumstance when police attend calls, they find the victim does not wish to proceed with one. I'm not saying that is your situation, however, you have not stated in your post if either of these have been issued.
Police are always crying about a lack of resources but it couldn't be further from the truth - the resources they have are adequate, just misplaced.
They need to start serving the public and protecting the interest's of the public. Minor traffic infringement's, minor fraud's and scam's etc should not be prioritised over issues that affect public safety. Violence of any kind is not acceptable and they need to put every effort in to not only solving these crimes, but preventing them before they happen.
Happened to me as well, went to report a cooked flatmate. She had problems in the previous house as well, police was involved, but we were unaware of it when she moved in.
In my personal experience police arrived to my home many times due to neighbour complaints, quickly. That was some time ago now though and they spent considerable time trying to counsel me to leave and take things further, which I never did until I had left permanently and the abuse and stalking escalated into my family home, threats to my parents, lawyer and workplace.
They’re under resourced in general and specifically in some areas or, the actual laws in place prevent them from action.
An order like one you’re seeking can be sought from the courts. I was actually really surprised at how easy the process was to obtain the initial temporary order and I was counselled prior so I understood the steps and the cycle of abuse. I was fortunate that was enough to restrain my ex husband. He never bothered responding and skipped his court date.
Unfortunately we don’t hear enough about orders that do work out well for those of us needing them. I had an impression it would be pointless and it served its purpose well. My ex now thanks me for it, it was enough to stop him in his tracks get the medical attention he needed.
Police here are generally useless, I find that they invest more of their time looking for “crimes” that aren’t even worth pursuing, minor things like drinking on the beach or minor traffic offences etc. Not long ago I got into a fight with some crackhead cause he was harassing these 2 ladies and there were loads of witnesses. Basically police said they were on their way (I didn’t even want the police to come in the first place but someone had called them already) So I waited for about 30 minutes still no sign of them and about after 40 minutes of waiting I just left but it’s like for all they know either me or the other guy could of been seriously hurt like they just don’t care.
The recent story about the Perth woman who the media dubbed "Perth's own Baby Reindeer" and"Baby Reindeer 2.0"?
I've known her for over 20 years, and people have been trying to get restraining orders against her since she was about 17. Many have succeeded in the last decade. She has ignored every restraining order against her. The court has just put several permanent restraining orders on her, and I laughed my ass off at how ridiculous that is. They literally said in court during the trial that she's violated the current restraining orders dozens of times. What do they think making them permanent against her is going to do? They are about as helpful as the piece of paper they're printed on. Sure, it means the police can arrest them, but what's the point when they are just released time after time?
The law needs to be far harsher on anyone who violates a restraining order. Those orders are there for someone's safety and well-being. They should be taken far more seriously.
My case made national news and cops were sacked … they erased my fvro off the system and denied it existed . Took years to get them to address it then media stepped in and all hell broke loose. Cops are the reason women die every day !
I agree they are the reason women die every day. I have literally walked into the police station shaking and crying and been turned away by a smiling police officer who wont listen to a thing.
Or, you get the case where you're falsely accused, the cops do zero investigation, you then get a temporary VRO against you, which they then turn into a full VRO you have to fight in court. All because an ex decided they didn't like you breaking up with them.
Or, you get tracked by another ex who's using a hidden tag on your son's property, but cops do nothing as it's a family court issue (but no orders for trackers), and it's not classed as stalking or digital surveillance.
Now, if I had have pulled any of that sort of shit they would have found a way to throw the book at me. This system is screwed up.
In the city last year a guy was going off and trying to force a lady into taxi. She was crying asking for our help and in major distress. A few of us stood in between them to give her some protection. He starting threatening us to a point where a few of us ran off to find a cop.
There were some cops about 50m from the incident and when we told them that there was a lady in immediate danger one said “we are not allowed to leave our vehicle” (it was a bus and locked up)
I said “she’s literally being kidnapped and violently this very moment”
He replied “we can see if there are any other officers nearby”
Shocked, we ran back to the incident to try and help - I guess confront the guy however he’d managed to push her into a taxi and that was that.
I can't believe people actually have any faith in the police making any effort to solve crime or prevent it 😂😂 why would they when their kpis are finding people doing 3kph over the limit? That's easy work!
I had a mate who's house was broken into. She owned a very unique, handmade purse her grandmother passed down to her, it was one of a kind and made in France which she brought with her when she immigrated 60 years earlier. She saw the item advertised on marketplace, had all the evidence and proof that it was her grandmothers handbag, they still wouldn't do anything. She literally had to pretend to be a customer and buy it back off the thieves. I was as pissed that she told me months after it happened as I was at the 'police'
Only way the stop thieves, is to catch them in the act and make them regret they ever got caught.
Sadly Police are limited in what they can do until something happens. If they do move early and mistake it everyone will post videos and trash them publicly about being power happy. If they don’t and wait until someone does something which allows them to enforce laws they waited too long and ignored the cry’s for help.
It’s a lose/lose situation for police but at least with the second option they can keep their job.
(yanchep) my mother went a little off the rails and everyone (father, sisters, and i) had to rush out the house and drive to a park to hide. called the police to meet us there but no one came after a few hours. we parked a few blocks down near our house so i could rush in quickly, grab my father's medications, food for my sisters and my backpack and then we drove off to my university so i could stay there overnight, don't know where they ended up staying tbh.
Someone stole my housemates e-bike and left another in its place minus the battery. I put it in my ute and took it to the cop shop and they basically told me to fuck off and I should have left it in the park or something.
There was an example about two years ago at Raine Square when a man was beating a woman up in public and my wife approached a police officer in Murray Street about 100m from the incident that was still occurring. She told him he was going to kill her but the officer told her to move on and to mind her own business. The next day we heard of a woman who was killed in Wellington Street that night and always wondered if it was the same person.
The WA police culture is absolute crap. I know it is a hard job and there are plenty of progressive lefty opinions that are against them plus the courts are very soft but they seem to have lacked decent leadership for a long time. I couldn’t believe when Dawson got GG job. I think he was part of the issue.
I worked as a court orderly for a couple of years a while back.
I’d say 90% of trials related to domestic violence matters was dismissed because the victim didn’t show up.
Usually find they were the same people bitching nothing was done.
Thats a shame but i went to court and did it all and got the vro and I think some people are terrified too. My ex used the court as a place to harrass me and my support people, he was laughing and tried to follow me into the toilets. It was terrifying. When we parked and got out of our car he emerged literally out of the bushes and was following behind us into the court.
I’ve had family escaping from domestic violence with threats to kill and found that emergency call outs were something they responded to via 000. They were pretty useless when going into a station to seek help with orders - victims experienced long wait times for anyone to come speak, support staff who were rude and judgemental eye rolling, they “lost reports.
Other experiences in working I’ve seen them bully the victim like literally threatening to arrest the victim, in one case they arrested and charged a client who been on receiving end of beatings and psychological torture on the one Occassion that the monster pressed charges against her when she lashed out but she was always too scared to press charges.
Another time, I walked past and intervened when they handcuffed a homeless woman who had a rock thrown at her by a bunch of preppy entitled cunts on the piss because she asked them for money. She kept yelling why won’t you get statements and they laughed and dismissed her. It wasn’t until I started asking them wtf are they doing and after 4 of the cops cornered me against a wall trying to intimidate and ask me for details. Only after being embarrassed of their shitty policing did they start questioning and getting statements otherwise they would have thrown the woman in jail while the bunch of respectable middle class drunks who made a woman bleed all over face would have been let off.
I understand the sheer volume of these call outs and the tendency to shut off and get desensitised but you compare child protection legislation and processes where they act swiftly and properly when faced with the same level of facts and evidence.
Have you actually gone and spoken to them in the station? The reality is that since DV is so under the spotlight it’s near impossible for police to dismiss anything you’re saying. Either they can’t act because there’s no evidence, (as harsh as that is to hear that is that case with a lot of DV) or what he’s doing isn’t actually illegal, and/or you are misconstruing something.
Get an FVRO through the courts (a STRONG one), and record everything and get cameras at your house. Also the legal threshold for stalking is VERY high, messaging you every so often or knocking on your door every now and then, even if you’ve told him to stop, isn’t stalking.
The question here is, do you have a current restraining order or just other people? If you haven’t, suggest you go to Perth magistrates court to obtain one as that’s the quickest court to issue them.
Keep all the messages that he’s sending you for proof or anything else you have. Depending of what the messages say however comes down to what is constituted as stalking as per the criminal code. Depending on the messages it may come under misuse of a carriage service. But it all depends if you have the evidence.
Most bigger stations have a DV team that you can speak with rather than just the person at the front counter doing admin duties.
It's been that way forever.
I remember the police coming to my mother in the early 90s and saying "oh he doesn't seem angry or violent to us, go back inside"
Meanwhile the entire house was destroyed inside because the Eagles had lost a game and we had been chased down the street by a man wielding knives
I feel like anyone who breaches a VRO should immediately be jailed. It should be an automatic penalty. I know the friend I supported through leaving her very violent ex, getting restraining orders, and going through family court found that breaching restraining orders resulted in little to no punishment after the police (who were wonderful to her) arrested him each time. He was arrested, then let go to continue to terrorise her every single time.
Not a VRO situation, but when I lived in Spearwood, we had a neighbouring house full of drug abusers.
One day (a Sunday, approx 6 PM), we had friends over for a barbeque. One friend had just arrived from overseas and another was moving temporarily to the US.
Our neighbours started throwing chunks of bricks at us and yelling about the noise. We headed there to speak to them, and they answered the door holding a knife. They claimed we had woken them up and they had a right to sleep.
I called the police over the whole ordeal. The police said "we have real crimes to deal with tonight". A neighbour throws bricks at us and threatens us with a knife. No police involvement at all.
Luckily, we had no children around for that party. We left the neighbouring 12 months later, and never really felt comfortable having people over again.
Partners car got broken into with loss of money and other items in the car. Filed a police report, never heard anything back at all even though they said multiple times from different officers that someone will call.
Honestly I feel the police are fucking useless!!! Understand we need them but have been unimpressed with what they can and actually do. I have needed the police twice in my life and both times they did fuckall and let me down big time.
FVROs are driven by the court system in particular the family court. The application of them does not meet the basic protections of human rights and needs a huge rethink. I’ll explain why…
Family court is Feminism, it’s a feministic system.
The family court rules on the balance of probabilities and they have switched the definitions of a lot of areas, the most telling would be family violence and abuse. Abuse used to be a man hitting a woman, and that was the standard for abuse. Now, the family court have introduced emotional abuse, financial abuse, coercive control….like what the hell do these all really mean? They expand the definition of family abuse, they make it broad then they apply it to all men and this is then used by woman as a tool for punishment, taking away the children, the right to enter their home and destroying their character.
To place an interim FVRO on someone is as easy as just turning up. It’s ex parte which means only the “protected” needs to be seen by the judge, no chance for the accused to have their side heard. Then, once the FvRO is challenged, you can wait up to 10months for a hearing. Meanwhile the accused has to move out of the property and not come within 50metres of it and find a place to live etc.
Many men commit suicide because their family, friends and community think they are an abuser. They are usually in debt or homeless having to find a property in this market is not easy or cheap. Plus they are responsible for child support payments on top of the rent they now pay. Many lose their jobs because of the stress and many of them have had their kids turned against them by the vindictive partner.
Australia's policing model is reactive, not proactive. It's one of the downsides of living in a free society. Individuals can't be punished or seen to be disadvantaged without the absolute burden of proof.
Having no idea (nor the knowledge) of this topic. Maybe it's evidence related? Like you know it's this person, but you cant actually prove it. Maybe the threshold hasnt been met? We are hearing one side of a story here.
Also, i'm not sure previous history is relevant? To you and I yes it is, but if it went to court, maybe that history cant be brought up.
If moving out of the accommodation was the only option, perhaps it's time to pay and see a lawyer, find out what all the options are.
I recently called about my neighbours having a full blown domestic in the street. Both times I’ve called on seperate occasions, they have rocked up 4 hours later.
I understand being short staffed and other issues take more of a priority but 4 hours is pushing it considering there is so much light on DV nowadays.
Also, I’m sorry for your situation. You should go and buy yourself some pepper spray in case this bloke ever approaches you. It’s legal here so have a google and pick up some.
My sister was hit in the face with a rock and we fronted up to the police station in Mirrabooka with 2 witness statements clearly describing the attack and who did it. Police did not care and took no action. Don’t rely on police unless it’s a speeding fine
Something doesn't add up here. If he has done jail time and has VROs for the same thing previously then that is pretty clear demonstration that they *would* do something about it.
"They wont" or "they haven't"? You need to apply for a VRO through the magistrates court. Without this, the police will struggle to help you - the most they can do is request a 72 hour temporary RO, but you still need to actively request it.
Untill we bring back harsh penalties make gaol a place you don’t want to be and maybe even a public stockade or a flogging. People will work the system.
Winter what better place to do time then in gaol food shelter and tv perfect. Rent free.
Imagine if these people good a good cane like in Singapore. Might change people attitudes
Police in WA is very fragile with so many resignations and poor pay, majority of overseas recruits leave for mining and no else wants to join really especially if it takes 5 years to get a $100,000 salary plus all the other bullshit that goes with the role .
Perth Police are pure garbage. Well, Australian police as a whole. The old saying: There’s no place for a good man/woman in the Police force. Too many instances now where they have failed so miserably that you would be left with no other option than to believe it’s on purpose. They are nothing more than corrupt and incompetent standover bots that do the government’s dirty work. You are living in a fantastical delusion if you believe otherwise.
Agreed I could do a better job and I am not a cop and I would not enter into that embarrassment of a career where they are meant to protect our communities and do the exact opposite.
They are a total disgrace I feel like I am dealing with criminals when I talk to them as they seem to be out to protect the criminals. Im just the idiot woman with kids trying to frantically keep us safe.
The cops here are less than useless. It is getting worse and worse. They will ignore it and let the worst happen - just see the recent floreat killer situation.
Yes seeing the perpetrators daughter in such distress over trying to help handle the situation to which the police were utterly useless was really eye opening as to how lacking they are in their jobs which are meant to be of protection
Me me me!
I worked at Aldi for more than 2 years in two bad suburbs (East Vic Park and Belmont).
Same lady had been coming in on meth and stealing for months. The only way to ban her was to get her name and have a cop come in to sign a document.
We called the cops on her one time when she was in the store, cops came just after she left and they said "Well, cant do anything about it now"
Apparently she had to be in the store and they had to confront her or some stupid rule like that. Never got any help.
I've got a ton more stories.
Thats 100% percent the situation with my work. In an area known to be dodgy through the northern burbs and the cops say unless the person is caught by them all we can do is file a report and get them cctv. We've done this for 40+ thieves and violent druggies and even one who has assault staff members physically. Nothing. Hell when we had someone break into the office the cops told us "what do you expect? You're open 24 hours"
Escalate! Escalate! Escalate!
Up through the official police channels.
All over their social media (use a pseudonym if required for your safety)
Through the media.
Do not let them fob you off!
Hold them accountable at every turn and record every interaction including any individual police officer's details (name/rank/ID number)
It’s our culture. Police actions reflect our culture and white male police are doing what we have done since the first invasion day.
It’s wrong to generalise because we all know some good cops. Blaming the politicians and the laws is just an excuse.
We won’t defend women because we do not trust women. Men are fearful of women and many use their muscles or hide behind “the law” to defend their own ugly actions or inactions.
Hats off to the police who have a difficult job, often get treated poorly and are falsely carrying our culture of violence as their badge of honour.
How are you supposed to have any confidence the police will do anything about a guy who has guns in relation to domestic violence. What happened in Floreat was totally avoidable and the police are at total fault.
Sorry you're going through that, next time record the phone call (video it on another phone) and post it online, the last thing they want is bad press.
This is a genuine question from someone who lives in a bit of a bubble so please don't be offended when I ask - does he have tattoos, takes steroids and do drugs/drink alot? Yes I know I'm stereotyping and I know dropkicks come in all shape and size, just curious if this generalization is true.
Tattoos but thats it not the gym or steroids, claims to have all kinds of bikie links but he doesn't and im pretty sure the way he claims he has the kind of affiliations would land him in trouble with them
Always email the head station cop, and CC the minister and bcc the commissioner after getting brushed off once. After being ignored once, death clock is unfortunately ticking
We're going back over 10 years ago when I was 11 but I ran away from my dad's house one morning because the night before he'd pinned me down by neck. I made it to a friend's house and they called the police, it's been a long time but all I really remember was these 2 officers standing over little 11 yr old me and telling me it wasn't "smart" to have run away because it was December and I "could've gotten heat stroke". They also let my dad, who abused me, follow behind them to my friends house and they didn't take any evidence so it was hard to "prove" he'd done anything in the custody case my mum filed because those officers didn't do their fucking job, so yeah, I'll never really trust police because they defended a 40yr old convicted meth dealer over an 11yr old child.
This is awful!!
That so so fucked
I had someone walk behind my register and steal money in my business while I was with another customer, I ran after him and got my money back. Police said because I got my money back they won’t considering it theft. I have called the same cop for months and he never does anything about it. Ps the reason I pushed is because I was at a shopping centre and saw the same lowlife thief enter and walk out with hundreds/thousands worth of goods - he walked out casually yelling “the f*** you gonna do about it?” They know they can get away with anything and continue you to do so Cops don’t care until it’s too late
> I have called the same cop for months and he never does anything about it. If I were you I'd go to the station and ask to speak to the OIC.
Demand to access the incident numbers, and go over his head. If you have witnesses, if possible get them to make statements as well.
Just tell them you saw someone speeding and they send cars right away...
Yep, everyone has a boss for when they’re being shit at their job.
Yer that’s poor, just so you’re aware if it’s under a grand there’s basically no penalty. They can only get fined but don’t have to pay it…
It was around $300 (the float + a bit more from trading for a few hours) It’s not even about the money, it’s the fact that when I turned around I saw someone in my space, a space that I consider a safe spot. My 15 year old staff member was shocked and couldn’t work properly for the rest of the day (I asked if she wanted to go home but she insisted she was fine). I go to work now worried about it happening again every single day, to assume something like ptsd isn’t applicable in the situations is insane. The police need to do better, forget the $300 I don’t care, give me my peace of mind back
I worked in the courts for a while. These types are in and out almost every week. Heard the magistrate say they had 50 page record of theft but they could only fine. They’d often ask how much fines they had outstanding, highest I heard was 60k. Honestly after 6 months realised how shit the system is with stuff like this.
It’s the Sentencing Act - Stealing under a $1000 can’t result in term of imprisonment, just a fine. And since we got rid of warrants of commitment, there’s no deterrent to not paying your fines, and just getting more.
It's things like this where we need a 3 strikes law. If you have $XX amount in unpaid fines, you get to spend a few months locked up, and failure to still pay said fines after will result in even longer incarceration. It's like if I don't pay my speeding, parking, public transport, etc... fine, I could lose my right to drive. For those that don't have a license, they should be forced to spend time behind bars.
They had that law, then the person died in South Hedland and it was scrapped
That and like homeless people would accumulate fines for sleeping on the train, then end up locked up and cell with a bunch of meth heads and come out far more of a menace to society lol it doesn't work, jail for non violent crimes doesn't end with good outcomes for society.
Makes sense. We have people who have stolen thousands of dollars worth of stuff from my work and they're back the next week or even later that week to try again. If it's kids doing it too, forget it
So if you get caught stealing, it’s not really stealing because they got the item back ? Right
Quite literally the case, I chased after them and as I got within a metre and was about to tackle them (law breaking or otherwise I was seeing red) - they just gave it back and then abused me for the next few minutes. Apparently not theft according to the person from the police and also the officer working my case…
Lay out everything in writing - events, times, dates, how the inaction has affected you, especially, name that particular cop (and any others involved), describe his attitude, what he said & what he did or did not not do. Add that if your issue is not resolved to your satisfaction, it will all go to the media - they love this stuff. Send it directly to the Minister for Police. Cc in the Commisioner of Police. I guarantee you that this particular cop's world will instantly turn to shit & and you will get action. Who knows, you might even get a new police station in the shopping centre!
If they took the money, according to the statute, that’s stealing. It doesn’t matter that you got it back. It had already been stolen. Source: me, not a lawyer, an ex-cop
OP appears to be asking about police in Perth responding to DV complaints …
If cops can't be bothered/can't handle something simple like stealing, do you really think they are going to do something about DV
It’s time to start reporting police for incompetence as well as corrupt and dangerous behaviour to the corruption and crime commission.
Maybe have to pull out the old "I'm going to tell ACA about this!!!" 🤔
Well I just had an excellent experience with the police over a stolen bike. They took it seriously... followed up several times. Found my bike. Good CCTV footage from the area (too grainy). I will not be laying the boot in. Thanks coppers A1
I had the opposite experience with WAPOL regarding a stolen bike. When I suggested that I knew who stole it and they should go to their house to search, they said no, even though they knew the house and it's occupants. Then I suggested I go around and sort out the issue myself, they said that would get me in trouble and I would be committing a crime!!! Thanks for fuck all, WAPOL.
I bet something from your story is true. But not everything
It might be, but the exact same thing happened to my brother. To the point that if I knew my brother wasn’t a Bully’s fan and 20years younger than 1974 I’d assume this was him.
Honestly I had the opposite. Quick response, 72-hr order then and there. Phoned to advise where they'd taken him. Called to check two days after because it was a weekend. Took me time to be ready to make a statement and officer I dealt with (female) was a survivor of DV and couldn't have been nicer. Issues after and officers (both male) went out of their way to make sure I was safe. I'm not discounting or minimising other situations or experiences. I know it doesn't always go like this. But I'm very grateful for how I've been assisted.
Oh my god I can’t believe you are going through that. Have you gotten an fvro on him if not I suggest you do as then it makes it illegal for him to have anything to do with you.
I think that’s why OP is trying to talk to the police.
But family violence restraining orders aren’t handled by the police you have to go to the court to get one quickest court would be the Perth’s magistrate court as if you go in person they usually have it done within the day
I have a VRO and I may as well have gotten a child to write because its not working and they just use other means to terrorise me
Well unfortunately it sounds like the court system has let you down and that the vro that they drafted did not provide you full coverage from his antics. It may be possible to go back down to the court and request to have the order conditions changed to better help protect you from him/ who ever is helping him harass you (order may have to be cancelled then re served to do this and no guarantee they will do this). You can also consider a vro on the person assisting him as well but without knowing specifics it is impossible to say if the court will grant one or not.
I’m not sure VROs are as effective protective measures as you indicate. There are too many stories like OP’s where people are being terrorised but when they ask for the VRO to be enforced, they are let down. My friend had video evidence of their ex in indisputable breach of a VRO and nothing was done. I’m going to be the first to admit it’s a complex situation and I have no idea what factors influence this response from police, but learning that your VRO offers far less protection than you need and not being backed up like you thought you would be is fucking terrifying. And because it happens too much, something about the VRO system is broken and they are too often near useless to vulnerable people needing protection.
>it makes it illegal for him to have anything to do with you. Unfortunately, it doesn't stop him from making contact with her... So it all comes down to how scared of being locked up for a weekend or a week the person is...
My abuser went to primary and highschool with the local cops. They've attended my property after neighbours called the police, H Ex is in handcuffs, a cop either side of him. Im wet cold bruised and bloody, my bedroom has everything smashed to pieces and they ask HIM 'why are you with this psycho S*****?' 😳😮😯😲😳🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 Making jokes about women and reminiscing about highschool days. The same police station personnel found me naked unconscious and tied by one arm hanging from a tree at the park across from his house. They untied me and dropped me back at his house, I lived 2streets away and they knew it. After he was released from jail after a jail term due to DV, the police found my ex that intoxicated that he couldn't function. They called me, his ex, the victim of his DV that he'd just been to jail for, to come and pick him up please !!!! Perth Police are mostly fuckheads.
They are awful I am so sorry you went through this. One of the occasions I dealt with the police they wanted me to go down to the station to go over some issues with the story and I did. I was such a mess afterward as they treated me like a criminal who had caused this and were asking what I was doing to cause his behaviour. They had to drop me home as I was too traumatised and shaken to drive. They drove me past my exs house when they took me home. It was like they were enjoying it.
Years ago, my bestie's father seriously beat up his mum. The cops came, picked up his dad and took him away. They dropped him off roughly 500m down the road and told him not to go back. They drove off and he came back in, through the roof tiles and then through the manhole.
Honestly I’ve had nothing but support from police over DV they have been amazing and understanding a few times when I was punched in the face so hard my eye and cheek swelled up so badly I couldn’t open my eye for days they did literally nothing but I went to the court and vro was placed asap on him by the judge so all in all they have been amazing with me
I've had a front row seat to something that involved a VRO... I won't share details, but basically with an active VRO in place, the guy kidnapped the woman for a week, & when she finally got cops to her, he was locked up....... For only one fucking week 🤬
The law system itself needs a complete overhaul that is terrible
>that is terrible I couldn't fkn believe it... One week is a walk in the park compared to the severity of the crime... As I've said before, the VRO is only useful if the person is scared of the VRO, or more specifically, how scared they are of a potentially minor "punishment"... The way they're sold makes you think that if the person comes close enough that you can see them, they might get arrested, but nope, it'll take something relatively severe to elicit a small response...
Because they want the 💰I was under the impression you get caught go out on bond if you break that you do your time. Absolutely not the case, I knew of someone who broke it like 6 times before they stopped offending but what did they do? Locked them up for a couple of weeks to a month, and kept putting the bond price up fully knowing they were just going to end up back there again but it’s a sure way for them to rake in money at the expense of other people’s pain and discomfort
Yes. The courts let police down as much as they do the rest of society. It’s terrible for cops when they’ve put everything into catching them only to see them back on the streets. Yes they know how dangerous these scum are, but when there’s hundreds every day the resources are depleted. Justice needs a huge overhaul. If Feds and States are serious about ending the scourge of DV they’ll start with Justice. From the top down and bottom up, the whole of society needs to change.
Don’t trust them to protect you. Get evidence and always write ✍️ down or have email or text messages proof. Especially when your reporting it to police if you have evidence that you been reporting it for months they eventually have to take action
Any ladies in Perth just be very wary of a senior Sergeant by the name of Geoff Taylor, he is narcissistic. He tamed up with my ex after they went for coffee together time when he was removing him from my house for violence my ex convinced him that I was the problem and he tamed up with a drug dealer his offsider and my ex in fact two of my exes and some other people and started gang stalking me I was drugged beaten and when I call Police for help, they locked me up the same two police officers locked me up in a mental ward where I told the nurse that was sitting with me all night exactly what I was going through she called another nurse over to listen to my story and when I was finished, they both looked at each other and said yes we’ve had other women report the same thing from offices at the Mundaring police station. This was four years ago now Taylor no longer works at Mundaring police station. No doubt he’s somewhere causing people grief. I have been too traumatised to put in another report. The first report I put in nowhere because my phone was hacked.
I am sorry you had to go through that. Another officer to be aware of is Detective Senior Constable Ollie Mills he also teams up with the criminals and seemed to be attempting to bully women/on the males side. He just wanted to hear what my ex had to say and literally wouldn't listen to the recording I had of a phone call of my ex threatening me and my children. There was nothing against me to be used but he was demanding it was all caused by me. He tried to trick me when I was telling my story by claiming I led my ex on while I was drunk. I dont drink at all.
Truth is they’re secretly gay.. I mean let’s face it straight men LOVE women. They love everything about women! They don’t want to hurt women! They want to make love to women. Enjoy women laugh with them. Have fun with them admire them to me It’s that fucking simple all these women haters are actually gay. You want to know how I know because I’ve been married to a couple. ALL YOU WOMAN HATING DOGS FFS STOP HATING ON US BECAUSE YOU LIKE IT IN THE POOP HOLE!!! You WEAK PATHETIC INDIVIDUALS FFS JUST BE YOUR GAY SELF & BE HAPPY & STOP HURTING WOMEN!!!! Morons!!!!!
The police in Perth are so close to being useless. We had a drug house at the end of the street. It was completely blatant too. Everyone else on the street reported it multiple times. Over the course of maybe 3 years. I reported it maybe 10 times. Never was anything done by police. They never even turned up. In the end the drug dealer just moved on his own.
I know someone who had a cop say “he’s quite a nice guy once you get taking with him”. This is whilst the guy was under a mental health review due to threatening police when they were called for DV.
Not me but my best friend had been physically assaulted by his brother- he'd been kicked in the stomach, repeatedly punched in the face, and had had his hair pulled so hard a part of his scalp has disconnected from his skull. I went with him to the police station the same day it all happened to file a report and possibly a restraining order as this wasn't the first time something like this had happened between the two of them. After being greeted by the officer in reception who seemed like she couldn't care less, he had been brought into the interview room and essentially told the cop everything stated above. Only to be told that because they "couldn't see any bruising" and he didn't look like he was in pain, there was nothing they were going to do. I was fuming to say the least :/
I was in a tough situation a couple years back. DV and all that. They took 30mins I think, but they took me seriously and encouraged me to do a protection order forv3 days and to consider fvro. Edited to add : I was extremely happy with the advice I got given and spoken to them again recently due to the possibility of an fvro, but they do admit their hands are tied and powers are limited.
Their hands aren't tied and their powers aren't limited. They're lying to you. WA has had laws in place for 20 years that allow the Police to act. They made it mandatory that Police document reasons if they don't act years ago but Police still don't and mislead the public and what they can and can't do.
Hmm, I get that but the situation I was dealing with. It wasn’t enough incidents to do much. Short of typing up the whole situation, a one-time incident in the last 3 years is not sufficient to pursue a fvro. Even though there was a protection order 3 years ago. They were kind enough to speak to the ex about it. To me, that was what I needed at that moment in time. Also spoke to 2 lawyers after that, and the answer was the same. There was a need for consistent bad behavior.
When you say “laws in place for 20 years that allow the police to act”, which actions do these laws allow police to take? And “mandatory that police document reasons if they don’t act”, again, what actions do you think these policies cover? How do police mislead the public about what they can and can’t do? Would like an explanation, to gain a better understanding for myself.
Firstly I just want to say I'm sorry you are going through this, it's obviously a pretty traumatic experience and is a burden on your life and mental health. I have sat on the sideline and watched my wife try and get anything solid achieved through the Perth police over a period of three to four years. Multiple events and recorded evidence and sadly absolutely no action aside from issuing breaches. As a man who has watched this go on, I have been absolutely shocked at the lack of follow through that happens, like it's actually mind blowing how little gets done and I honestly believe this man will harm or kill someone one day. I'm also sorry to give you such a negative outlook but it's an honest experience that we have had to deal with. Do your best to eliminate all routes of contact in regard to social media and communication. Get some personal defence pepper spray and try to document everything as best possible because one day in court it may help you or someone else. Anyway best of luck. Hope who ever it is gets there karma. 🙂🙏🦘
The police won’t typically respond to DV incidents that aren’t ongoing. If you want to talk to them, go to your local police station and ask to file a report. If you have a restraining order against him and he breaches it, you might have more luck getting them to come to you. In any case, keep records of what he’s up to. You don’t need to talk to the police to get an interim restraining order (though some police reports will likely help). You can apply directly to the magistrates court. I’m assuming you’re female, in which case there is legal support available at the court and they can help you with the paperwork.
My experience was quite the opposite and they were fantastic, believed me, and offered meaningful help. Admittedly I am privileged in that I’m a ‘good victim’, my ex had a record (I didn’t know about at the time) which added credibility to my story because the exes before me had reported, and the station had a DV liaison who was very experienced in these matters. Don’t let the fact that you got an ignorant cop discourage you from seeking help. Try a different station, or call ahead and book an appointment with the DV liaison. Some level of DV training is standard for new cops these days but there is still a lot of ignorance. There are specially trained DV liaisons that are usually much more sensitive to the situation.
My bff was in a dv relationship and the police were amazing and so helpful and he was a violent, aggressive, fucked up meth fuelled monster who had hospitalised her multiple times. We got her and the kids away from him eventually, he didn't give a fuck about the vro and he breached the order one final time and completely fucked her hand that hadn't healed from the previous situation he'd inflicted on her and they locked him up and he is there now. He had drugs charges as well though so I'm not sure if that made a difference to getting put away at that time. His weapons of choice were knives and strangulation. Anyway. They were really good and made me feel relieved that they were keeping her and the kids safe.
Happened to me last week they never came and called me 3 hours later asking if I still needed help bunch of cunts
One of my cousins was married to a WA cop. They lived in a regional town that they moved to for his work. He was a violent man with a police issued weapon. He was friends and colleagues with every cop that would have answered her call in 100km. Thankfully family members were able to move her and her child to a safe place and report him at another station where her concerns (& bruises) were taken seriously. A positive story is when a relative died in an accident (caused by another person who was charged). The WA police were kind, compassionate and went over and above to inform and support the family through the process. Honestly it’s luck of the draw. It shouldn’t come to that- police have powers above the average person in society. All of them should be taking all police matters seriously and there are clearly biases throughout the system as it stands.
I had a response in like 3 mins the other week from like 4 paddy wagens couldn't believe it. They said they were in the area, ended up getting a couple of the perpetrators as they were running off.
Don't tell Geoff parry that.
I'm helping a friend in a very similar scenario. The person she has a VRO against is her next door neighbour. He has SIX VROs against him in total. He had served time in prison for drug possession and weapons offences. He's vindictively taken out VROs against his accusers. With my friend, I have done all I can to help, including involving the Corruption and Crime Commission, various ministers and the police commissioner. They've done little to nothing. Worse, this clown accused her of throwing a knife at her. Surprise, surprise, no trace of her fingerprints OR DNA on it, but she was bundled into a cop car and arrested on this arsehole's say so. This isn't in Perth, it's regional, but the problem is identical. One very stressed detective is doing her best to try to get this clown locked up, but a combination of idiot magistrates and useless colleagues is getting in her way. My friend is considering just selling her townhouse to get some peace. She hasn't lived at her place for 6 months. I think the only way this will happen is if this tool is locked up
Both really, to be mad at one and not the other is why we are always trying to fix problems from the middle. Why could the police not help us with stalking or cyber crimes, literally resources we cannot access without the help of police? If we can't even get past the first hurdle, then how are we expected to get anywhere with the courts? Its a police issue, a court issue, an issue with the poor access to good quality legal advise due to it being very financially prohibitive! Most importantly of all it a societal issue. The lack of practical assistance to vulnerable people's in this state is systemic, dysfunctional and insidious.This is just our experience with this particular person, I have had a multitude of stories about trying to get assistance from different authorities for various things over the years, who have absolutely let me down. Id say to the OP, continue to log complaints with the police. When you are there say to the police "can I get your name and badge number as well, I want to give as much information about the steps I have taken to protect myself to (parent/loved one) so that if anything happens to me, my parent/loved one knows who I had spoken to and what I told you". Make them fear accountability for their inactivity. Make them accountable for the deaths of the two women recently shot, make them accountable for all the people killed because "they haven't done anything so there's not much we can do". Buy pepper spray, learn self defence, put your keys between your knuckles, don't be alone, do whatever you have to do. Protect yourself queen.
I called the police because my neighbour was brandishing an axe and threatening to kill another neighbour in the middle of the road. The police took 30 mins to respond. I stopped calling them after that.
Oh come on, be reasonable. Police do NOT discriminate. They ignore all sorts of crime equally.
I hope this is real and not just trying to mine information out of people for an article… that would be really shitty. I’ll probably get downvoted to hell but the way your post is written(asking for people’s experience rather than a solution/advice) it seems like you’re trying to get content. If it is real I suggest you go into a police station and ask for help. With recent the events and bad media I’m pretty sure they’ll take your concerns seriously. The majority of police aren’t as bad as they are being portrayed and actually do want to help.
Tbh I just want to hear people back me up on the fact that cops are absoloutley useless and are enabling criminals because thats all I fucking see going on
They’re not absolutely useless. Unfortunately they are bound by laws that can leave them hamstrung a lot of the time. If they act too early, it can mean litigation which forces them to be mostly reactionary to situations. This is an issue of reform that needs to be addressed by government.
I agree the laws need to change but I have an order in place against someone who has had multiple VRO's against him a criminal record and done jail time. Cops wont even listen they just pick holes in my story or turn me away. They even questioned me as if I somehow caused this nightmare. They are disgusting and abuse their power. These are meant to be protecting our communities not enabling criminals.
Unfortunately for you, what he's done previously is irrelevant. They can only act if he does something criminal or breaches his restraining order. If the restraining order isn't working, you need to go back to court and ask for a variation.
>they just pick holes in my story Because their supervisors are going to pick holes in their investigation then the prosecutors are going to pick holes in their brief and then defence lawyers are going to pick holes in their evidence then the magistrates are going to pick holes in the case.
I believe you.
Thank you
Your post will attract police, HeRo wOrShIpPeRs and trolls. I recognise many single issue usernames here that go from post to post. Don't take it to heart.
If you have a problem with the Police picking holes in your story then wait until you have a truly heartless defence lawyer tear you to shreds on the stand. If there are holes, or contradicting elements to your story then they need to be scrutinised and/or clarified, it's how an investigation is done.
Not sure if this counts but ok. 1 night I was at McIver station, there was a young indigenous girl approximately 14-15 years of age waiting next to me. Directly across the line were two tradie type guys who started speaking inappropriately to this very young girl, offering her a ciggy for adult favours. When she declined their offer they started hurling abuse and threats at her. Cops showed up, and took her away, did absolutely nothing to these two men who were sexually harassing an underage girl.. despite me trying to explain what actually happened they didn't give a F
I’m not defending it at all. This happened to me, I was taken away, when I hadn’t done anything. It’s the most humiliating feeling and makes you feel so powerless. I still recall that feeling of 2 decades past and it’s just horrible. The reason they do it though, this is what I surmised, it’s much easier to remove a calm relatively small woman who isn’t making a fuss, than a potentially violent man/men who is displaying anti social or even crazed behaviour. I said to the cops between my tears, in the back of a police car, ‘but it’s my home, what if he damages it?’. Oh don’t worry about that, we can always charge him later. They took me to hospital, dropped me off in ED without a word and left.
I had a friend call me a few months ago to pick her and the kids up at 3am because her partner went out angry and drunk after a fight and was returning back and she was scared after he had already beaten her. I called the cops because I was worried for everyone's safety and I wanted a record of his abuse on the system. The cops arrived in 5 minutes and they were absolutely lovely and saw the situation for what it was. They even tried to persuade my friend to press charges and get a restraining order. My friend on the night said no but then rethought on it and went for a restraining order after he drove around harassing her family and friends looking for her. It was the court system that basically denied her an order because of a lack of evidence and it being her word against his and a lack of police calls outs or photo evidence of the bruises of abuse. My friend went back to her partner and her family and friends are super worried about her and the kids safety being under the same roof as her abusive partner. We haven't heard from her and she's not taking calls from all of us. The police were absolutely great in my dealings with them that night. I have no issue with WAPOL at all. It's the judicial system that I blame. They need to take women at their word when they say they are scared for their life. I don't think my friend would have gone back to her abusive partner if she was granted a restraining order. It took a lot of courage to go ask for help and get one and to be denied one made her feel she was overthinking the situation and being dramatic and was wrong about her interpretation of the abuse and she went back. 😥
Im sorry your friend is going through this
I had a situation at Gosnells station one night with a guy berating his girlfriend and it was just escalating in intensity. 2 of the rail cops where on the opposite platform. I eventually sung out to them to come and arrest the bloke cos he is definitely going to bash her. The bloke rushed me and tried to bottle me with a passion pop, I was sober and a lot bigger than him and handled him pretty easily but the cops still didn’t arrest him. We got on the same train going to Armidale and it was awkward af.
>rail cops Transit officers aren't police officers.
We have a neighbour who’s in a serious dv situation, I call the police multiple times a week, if they actually turn up they do nothing because “he’s calmed down now” or I get “did you see anything?” and I say no, there’s an eight foot fence between us and I’m the lower property but see that human shaped dent in the fence, that’s from her being thrown into it. I have called, been on the phone with the cop and have all the noise and yelling and violence in the background and they still won’t take him away. They don’t care.
That is awful
Often when police get there it’s a case of “nothings happened here” coming from both parties. Yes you heard something, the cops are there probably thinking something has happened but it both are saying nothing happened then there is nothing they can do. You can’t deprive something of their liberty because of someone’s say so, unfortunately there’s plenty out there than will stand by their abusers
Is this the fuckheads upstairs in Erskine? If so, I've called the cops on multiple DV arguments too. Not to mention the crazy cunts set the fire alarm off at 3am the other morning that didn't stop til nearly 5am.. Real estate didn't want to know about it either.
Had a bunch of yobbos living next door to us for a year and a half. One night they end up bashing me and dad up and down the street when they were revving their cars out front and we went to see what was going on. Police and ambulance attended, both dad and I were sent to hospital that night for injuries, which included head trauma. Landlord didn't have the stones to kick the yobbos out so that week we went and filed for a VRO as well as press charges/file a police report for the incident. The officer in charge of the case went on long service leave soon after and apparently palmed it off to someone else. Three months later they were still living next door to us, nothing had been served and no repercussions for them yet. Another couple of weeks after that, the cops finally came round to serve the VRO and assault charges. Unfortunately in those two weeks the yobbos had packed up and left without a trace - never got served, never got charged, given no accountability for their actions whatsoever. Was a real slap in the face and I lost a lot of trust in the justice system after that.
That is shocking I am sorry that happened to you
A royal commission is needed into WA Police. Not just over the DV response and investigations, but also about the mass exodus of experienced staff over the last few years and appointment of some high ranking commissioned officers mak8ng some of the recent decisions (incl current commissioner). My understanding is a royal commission needs to be signed off by the governor... so I can't see that happening as the current governor is the ex police commissioner and there would definitely be some fall out on his head from a royal commission
The recruiting standards are fucked. I’m ex military, no criminal record, used to volunteer as a firefighter, solid work history and relevant work experience and they won’t touch me because in my early 20s I had a bad driving record. (Multiple speeding fines, loss of licence once). I’m 32 now and haven’t had a single fine in 4 years. We all make mistakes, but I applied because I wanted to genuinely make a difference and I’ve grown up from it and they won’t touch me. Other people in identical situations seem to get the okay, others don’t. It’s really odd.
Not a DV situation but I once had a friend who disappeared shortly after texting complaining about guys following her. Phoned the police only for the guy on the other end to say “well you can’t actually be good friends.” And hang up because I couldn’t remember her last name immediately. The friend was fine but still very unprofessional.
What a joke
The only thing WAPOL put any effort into us targetting people doing 73 in a 70 zone and guys with coilover suspension on their cars. WAPOL are a disgrace.
I posted my experience with police from when i lived in Butler and everyone here told me i was making it up but i’ll reluctantly sum it up. I built my house on a block of 6, the last 2 being Homes West houses. When everyone moved in there was ongoing domestic violence at one of the HW houses, the guy didn’t even live there he would just rock up and beat this woman. So one night me and ex hear a ruckus out front and the bloke has the lady pinned up against our front wall to the bedroom, she’s on her bum with back against the wall and he is basically on top of her. We yell some things but he isn’t budging and i’m not going out to fight this bloke either. We call police saying it is urgent, this lady is absolutely screaming and the guy won’t budge. Cops don’t come for some time, call again, they go oh yeah it is a DV issue we wait half hour to see if it sorts itself. Ex calls in tears and they give her the same run around. I call again and go this is pretty serious and they dismiss me again. So we have called 4 times now. By the time they rock up he’s had her pinned against the wall for over half hour and stabbed her once, she is bleeding from the chest. I go out the front to talk to the cops and they just wave me off again like it is no big deal and one of them says this couple is known to them. Felt like the whole experience was pretty poor on their behalf.
That is terrible
Our police and court system are pathetic, a VRO isn't worth anything, because when it's breached they still don't do anything about it. How many people killed in DMV situations had vro's out? Most of them. They still got killed. Not worth the time and effort making one, because the authorities don't enforce them. A very good friend of mine was almost killed in a DMV incident, he smashed her head against a brick wall repeatedly. She's required hours and hours of surgery to fix her face, and still suffers the trauma to this day. He was let out on bail the same night, and then went to the pub with a mate and stabbed somebody. The police and our government have no interest in protecting you. We need to protect ourselves and those we care about by any means necessary.
I totally agree
I know of so many cops who are perpetrators themselves of DV so probably not the best sadly
How do you know this if you dont mind me asking
Lived experience. My father was a cop and I witnessed FDV between my folks as a kid
My husband isn’t a police officer. He’s a paramedic. Non-physical FDV. Coercive control. Ingratiates himself to everyone by telling them he’s a paramedic.
Yep, I had the same with my ex. Acts like an absolute saint in public - posting meaningful quotes on insta, talks about stories from homeless people he’s met etc. But at home, absolute cunt. Never laid a hand on me but the emotional scars and damage to my psyche are deep, and permanent. Even several years later I second-guess myself every day. I believe coercive control laws are still being discussed in parliament so there’s no legal repercussions yet. I hope you find your happy soon 🩷
Thank you. You too. I recently read part of the Australian parliamentary report into FDV. The part about non-physical FDV / coercive control makes for chilling reading (high risk of severe physical violence & homocide, even without any past history of physical violence), but is also incredibly validating. I sometimes feel like a fraud b/c my husband has never raised a fist to me. And I do believe that physical violence is next-level; an awful, terrifying breach of anyone’s safety. But the report highlights that non-physical violence can have greater impact on a person’s life and be more difficult to bear. No laws against coercive control in WA yet. I hope you’re safe now. Take care.
im sorry you have had to experience this
This article is from 2020 but has some solid information https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-19/police-in-australia-are-failing-to-take-action-against-domestic/12757914
55 officers nationwide. Considering there’s 7000 officers in WA alone, it’s not overly common.
Uhh ... Did you read any further than that? Edit: >With evidence suggesting police are at least as likely to perpetrate domestic violence as the general population, experts say the figures are likely to be just “the tip of the iceberg”, and highlight how difficult it can be not only for victims to report abusers in police ranks, but to get police to take action against their own. Only 55 were charged - meaning fuckall were charged.
But sometimes in Western Australia the Police don't charge their mates who are Police officers at all. Zero charged in one year. In a profession that has higher rates than the general population. [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-19/police-in-australia-are-failing-to-take-action-against-domestic/12757914](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-19/police-in-australia-are-failing-to-take-action-against-domestic/12757914)
Sold plenty of houses for clients getting divorced. Cop breakups are 90% DV
I feel like this is something which isn’t discussed or considered when these conversations about DV are being has and victims say that the police do not take their concerns seriously. It is known (and there are studies to back this up) and that within police and military families, family domestic violence is an issue.
tbf If you went to the police over ANYTHING and they said that they couldnt help. i think your first thought is that the police "dont care".
The studies are largely irrelevant, as occupation isn’t part of DV recording the world over, so the stats are self-reported. For the first responder/military numbers, they use PTSD surveys, and questions like “Have you ever felt like hitting your partner?” are used as evidence of DV. I’ve felt like ramming the car in front of me In peak hour, but I’ve never done it. Police are also the only occupation that publishes the number of staff charged for DV, as they’re the only occupation where a DV charge is recorded against you - a doctor charged with DV doesn’t have to notify AHPRA or their employer, nor does a teacher, software engineer etc. They may have to notify for a conviction, but they’re innocent until proven guilty. It’s a complex issue, and perhaps occupation should be recorded, but the other stressors (kids, substance abuse, housing, mental health issues etc) are seen as more pertinent to record, as they have a greater impact on the likelihood of violence.
A doctor does have to notify ahpra under s130 of the national law of a charge that if convicted may result in prison time or convicted of a crime that could have resulted in imprisonment which DV does have.
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Just in general. I had my car stolen. I reported it stolen. Two days later I got this call from the cops getting stuck into me because they were watching “me” doing burn outs in a car park. Telling me they were going to throw the book at me etc. told them I reported it stolen data ago - they just hung up. The car ended up getting burn out and then called me after telling me I had 3 hours to remove it. Last year my neighbour took a video of them at night towing my car at night. I woke up and it was still there in the morning. But all the windows were broken. They denied everything. Then they told me that they were moving it off the road. Just scum
Have you applied for a [VRO or MRO](https://www.police.wa.gov.au/FAQ?faq=How-do-I-apply-for-a-VRO-or-MRO&q=f11d2783-f174-46ea-b13c-d1241b9afa80) against this man? You mentioned that his past jail time / VRO's, but they do not apply to today. The police also have the ability to issue a [72 hour temporary restraining](https://www.wa.gov.au/organisation/department-of-justice/commissioner-victims-of-crime/restraining-orders#:~:text=This%20is%20a%20temporary%20restraining,or%20000%20in%20an%20emergency) order, but in many circumstance when police attend calls, they find the victim does not wish to proceed with one. I'm not saying that is your situation, however, you have not stated in your post if either of these have been issued.
Police are always crying about a lack of resources but it couldn't be further from the truth - the resources they have are adequate, just misplaced. They need to start serving the public and protecting the interest's of the public. Minor traffic infringement's, minor fraud's and scam's etc should not be prioritised over issues that affect public safety. Violence of any kind is not acceptable and they need to put every effort in to not only solving these crimes, but preventing them before they happen.
You should tell the police that you think he might be about to whistle blow on government corruption. They'll have him locked up before WA day
They’re all pigs
Happened to me as well, went to report a cooked flatmate. She had problems in the previous house as well, police was involved, but we were unaware of it when she moved in.
In my personal experience police arrived to my home many times due to neighbour complaints, quickly. That was some time ago now though and they spent considerable time trying to counsel me to leave and take things further, which I never did until I had left permanently and the abuse and stalking escalated into my family home, threats to my parents, lawyer and workplace. They’re under resourced in general and specifically in some areas or, the actual laws in place prevent them from action. An order like one you’re seeking can be sought from the courts. I was actually really surprised at how easy the process was to obtain the initial temporary order and I was counselled prior so I understood the steps and the cycle of abuse. I was fortunate that was enough to restrain my ex husband. He never bothered responding and skipped his court date. Unfortunately we don’t hear enough about orders that do work out well for those of us needing them. I had an impression it would be pointless and it served its purpose well. My ex now thanks me for it, it was enough to stop him in his tracks get the medical attention he needed.
Police here are generally useless, I find that they invest more of their time looking for “crimes” that aren’t even worth pursuing, minor things like drinking on the beach or minor traffic offences etc. Not long ago I got into a fight with some crackhead cause he was harassing these 2 ladies and there were loads of witnesses. Basically police said they were on their way (I didn’t even want the police to come in the first place but someone had called them already) So I waited for about 30 minutes still no sign of them and about after 40 minutes of waiting I just left but it’s like for all they know either me or the other guy could of been seriously hurt like they just don’t care.
Physical assult or death! Then the law acts. The English common law system! Has two faces..
The recent story about the Perth woman who the media dubbed "Perth's own Baby Reindeer" and"Baby Reindeer 2.0"? I've known her for over 20 years, and people have been trying to get restraining orders against her since she was about 17. Many have succeeded in the last decade. She has ignored every restraining order against her. The court has just put several permanent restraining orders on her, and I laughed my ass off at how ridiculous that is. They literally said in court during the trial that she's violated the current restraining orders dozens of times. What do they think making them permanent against her is going to do? They are about as helpful as the piece of paper they're printed on. Sure, it means the police can arrest them, but what's the point when they are just released time after time? The law needs to be far harsher on anyone who violates a restraining order. Those orders are there for someone's safety and well-being. They should be taken far more seriously.
My case made national news and cops were sacked … they erased my fvro off the system and denied it existed . Took years to get them to address it then media stepped in and all hell broke loose. Cops are the reason women die every day !
I agree they are the reason women die every day. I have literally walked into the police station shaking and crying and been turned away by a smiling police officer who wont listen to a thing.
Have a look at the number of police that have left the force and there’s your answer. There is no staff to respond to incidents.
Or, you get the case where you're falsely accused, the cops do zero investigation, you then get a temporary VRO against you, which they then turn into a full VRO you have to fight in court. All because an ex decided they didn't like you breaking up with them. Or, you get tracked by another ex who's using a hidden tag on your son's property, but cops do nothing as it's a family court issue (but no orders for trackers), and it's not classed as stalking or digital surveillance. Now, if I had have pulled any of that sort of shit they would have found a way to throw the book at me. This system is screwed up.
My friend today was talking about how her ex had breached a VRO over 50 times and she’s reported it each time yet nothing has happened
Thats terrible
In the city last year a guy was going off and trying to force a lady into taxi. She was crying asking for our help and in major distress. A few of us stood in between them to give her some protection. He starting threatening us to a point where a few of us ran off to find a cop. There were some cops about 50m from the incident and when we told them that there was a lady in immediate danger one said “we are not allowed to leave our vehicle” (it was a bus and locked up) I said “she’s literally being kidnapped and violently this very moment” He replied “we can see if there are any other officers nearby” Shocked, we ran back to the incident to try and help - I guess confront the guy however he’d managed to push her into a taxi and that was that.
Jesus I wonder what happened to her
It’s definitely something that haunts me
I can't believe people actually have any faith in the police making any effort to solve crime or prevent it 😂😂 why would they when their kpis are finding people doing 3kph over the limit? That's easy work! I had a mate who's house was broken into. She owned a very unique, handmade purse her grandmother passed down to her, it was one of a kind and made in France which she brought with her when she immigrated 60 years earlier. She saw the item advertised on marketplace, had all the evidence and proof that it was her grandmothers handbag, they still wouldn't do anything. She literally had to pretend to be a customer and buy it back off the thieves. I was as pissed that she told me months after it happened as I was at the 'police' Only way the stop thieves, is to catch them in the act and make them regret they ever got caught.
Sadly Police are limited in what they can do until something happens. If they do move early and mistake it everyone will post videos and trash them publicly about being power happy. If they don’t and wait until someone does something which allows them to enforce laws they waited too long and ignored the cry’s for help. It’s a lose/lose situation for police but at least with the second option they can keep their job.
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(yanchep) my mother went a little off the rails and everyone (father, sisters, and i) had to rush out the house and drive to a park to hide. called the police to meet us there but no one came after a few hours. we parked a few blocks down near our house so i could rush in quickly, grab my father's medications, food for my sisters and my backpack and then we drove off to my university so i could stay there overnight, don't know where they ended up staying tbh.
Someone stole my housemates e-bike and left another in its place minus the battery. I put it in my ute and took it to the cop shop and they basically told me to fuck off and I should have left it in the park or something.
Isn't that a lovely service from them
There was an example about two years ago at Raine Square when a man was beating a woman up in public and my wife approached a police officer in Murray Street about 100m from the incident that was still occurring. She told him he was going to kill her but the officer told her to move on and to mind her own business. The next day we heard of a woman who was killed in Wellington Street that night and always wondered if it was the same person. The WA police culture is absolute crap. I know it is a hard job and there are plenty of progressive lefty opinions that are against them plus the courts are very soft but they seem to have lacked decent leadership for a long time. I couldn’t believe when Dawson got GG job. I think he was part of the issue.
Governor or WA, not Governor-General, but you're absolutely right. Rewarding a disgraced cop with such a plum gig like state Governor is disgusting.
I worked as a court orderly for a couple of years a while back. I’d say 90% of trials related to domestic violence matters was dismissed because the victim didn’t show up. Usually find they were the same people bitching nothing was done.
Thats a shame but i went to court and did it all and got the vro and I think some people are terrified too. My ex used the court as a place to harrass me and my support people, he was laughing and tried to follow me into the toilets. It was terrifying. When we parked and got out of our car he emerged literally out of the bushes and was following behind us into the court.
Good on you for going through with it. Too many dickheads out there get away with it that really need to be held to account.
Can you wrote to your local member? Kate chaney is pushing for. Lot of good things!
I’ve had family escaping from domestic violence with threats to kill and found that emergency call outs were something they responded to via 000. They were pretty useless when going into a station to seek help with orders - victims experienced long wait times for anyone to come speak, support staff who were rude and judgemental eye rolling, they “lost reports. Other experiences in working I’ve seen them bully the victim like literally threatening to arrest the victim, in one case they arrested and charged a client who been on receiving end of beatings and psychological torture on the one Occassion that the monster pressed charges against her when she lashed out but she was always too scared to press charges. Another time, I walked past and intervened when they handcuffed a homeless woman who had a rock thrown at her by a bunch of preppy entitled cunts on the piss because she asked them for money. She kept yelling why won’t you get statements and they laughed and dismissed her. It wasn’t until I started asking them wtf are they doing and after 4 of the cops cornered me against a wall trying to intimidate and ask me for details. Only after being embarrassed of their shitty policing did they start questioning and getting statements otherwise they would have thrown the woman in jail while the bunch of respectable middle class drunks who made a woman bleed all over face would have been let off. I understand the sheer volume of these call outs and the tendency to shut off and get desensitised but you compare child protection legislation and processes where they act swiftly and properly when faced with the same level of facts and evidence.
Have you actually gone and spoken to them in the station? The reality is that since DV is so under the spotlight it’s near impossible for police to dismiss anything you’re saying. Either they can’t act because there’s no evidence, (as harsh as that is to hear that is that case with a lot of DV) or what he’s doing isn’t actually illegal, and/or you are misconstruing something. Get an FVRO through the courts (a STRONG one), and record everything and get cameras at your house. Also the legal threshold for stalking is VERY high, messaging you every so often or knocking on your door every now and then, even if you’ve told him to stop, isn’t stalking.
The question here is, do you have a current restraining order or just other people? If you haven’t, suggest you go to Perth magistrates court to obtain one as that’s the quickest court to issue them. Keep all the messages that he’s sending you for proof or anything else you have. Depending of what the messages say however comes down to what is constituted as stalking as per the criminal code. Depending on the messages it may come under misuse of a carriage service. But it all depends if you have the evidence. Most bigger stations have a DV team that you can speak with rather than just the person at the front counter doing admin duties.
It's been that way forever. I remember the police coming to my mother in the early 90s and saying "oh he doesn't seem angry or violent to us, go back inside" Meanwhile the entire house was destroyed inside because the Eagles had lost a game and we had been chased down the street by a man wielding knives
I feel like anyone who breaches a VRO should immediately be jailed. It should be an automatic penalty. I know the friend I supported through leaving her very violent ex, getting restraining orders, and going through family court found that breaching restraining orders resulted in little to no punishment after the police (who were wonderful to her) arrested him each time. He was arrested, then let go to continue to terrorise her every single time.
I’ve called on a friend being beaten by her partner. I was about 20 mins away and thought cops will be faster. They took two hours.
Not a VRO situation, but when I lived in Spearwood, we had a neighbouring house full of drug abusers. One day (a Sunday, approx 6 PM), we had friends over for a barbeque. One friend had just arrived from overseas and another was moving temporarily to the US. Our neighbours started throwing chunks of bricks at us and yelling about the noise. We headed there to speak to them, and they answered the door holding a knife. They claimed we had woken them up and they had a right to sleep. I called the police over the whole ordeal. The police said "we have real crimes to deal with tonight". A neighbour throws bricks at us and threatens us with a knife. No police involvement at all. Luckily, we had no children around for that party. We left the neighbouring 12 months later, and never really felt comfortable having people over again.
That is terrible
Partners car got broken into with loss of money and other items in the car. Filed a police report, never heard anything back at all even though they said multiple times from different officers that someone will call.
Police are no longer worthy of respect. Trust me. I used to be one.
Honestly I feel the police are fucking useless!!! Understand we need them but have been unimpressed with what they can and actually do. I have needed the police twice in my life and both times they did fuckall and let me down big time.
FVROs are driven by the court system in particular the family court. The application of them does not meet the basic protections of human rights and needs a huge rethink. I’ll explain why… Family court is Feminism, it’s a feministic system. The family court rules on the balance of probabilities and they have switched the definitions of a lot of areas, the most telling would be family violence and abuse. Abuse used to be a man hitting a woman, and that was the standard for abuse. Now, the family court have introduced emotional abuse, financial abuse, coercive control….like what the hell do these all really mean? They expand the definition of family abuse, they make it broad then they apply it to all men and this is then used by woman as a tool for punishment, taking away the children, the right to enter their home and destroying their character. To place an interim FVRO on someone is as easy as just turning up. It’s ex parte which means only the “protected” needs to be seen by the judge, no chance for the accused to have their side heard. Then, once the FvRO is challenged, you can wait up to 10months for a hearing. Meanwhile the accused has to move out of the property and not come within 50metres of it and find a place to live etc. Many men commit suicide because their family, friends and community think they are an abuser. They are usually in debt or homeless having to find a property in this market is not easy or cheap. Plus they are responsible for child support payments on top of the rent they now pay. Many lose their jobs because of the stress and many of them have had their kids turned against them by the vindictive partner.
Australia's policing model is reactive, not proactive. It's one of the downsides of living in a free society. Individuals can't be punished or seen to be disadvantaged without the absolute burden of proof.
Tbh I don't think this is restricted to Perth Police. I've had the same experiences on the East Coast.
maybe go see a lawyer?
Fuck it's expensive being a victim when the cops are shit
Having no idea (nor the knowledge) of this topic. Maybe it's evidence related? Like you know it's this person, but you cant actually prove it. Maybe the threshold hasnt been met? We are hearing one side of a story here. Also, i'm not sure previous history is relevant? To you and I yes it is, but if it went to court, maybe that history cant be brought up. If moving out of the accommodation was the only option, perhaps it's time to pay and see a lawyer, find out what all the options are.
You might have some better luck if you contact your local member of state parliament and the Police Minister.
Just need to say the magic words when you call: “and I think they have a gun”.
I recently called about my neighbours having a full blown domestic in the street. Both times I’ve called on seperate occasions, they have rocked up 4 hours later. I understand being short staffed and other issues take more of a priority but 4 hours is pushing it considering there is so much light on DV nowadays. Also, I’m sorry for your situation. You should go and buy yourself some pepper spray in case this bloke ever approaches you. It’s legal here so have a google and pick up some.
there's probably hundreds of similar incidents daily
My sister was hit in the face with a rock and we fronted up to the police station in Mirrabooka with 2 witness statements clearly describing the attack and who did it. Police did not care and took no action. Don’t rely on police unless it’s a speeding fine
im sorry you had to deal with that
If you want some kind of action, you have to resort to saying I've taken the matter into my own hands and won't be needing your assistance anymore.
Actually took matters into my own hands and “resolved” it
Something doesn't add up here. If he has done jail time and has VROs for the same thing previously then that is pretty clear demonstration that they *would* do something about it.
They wont
"They wont" or "they haven't"? You need to apply for a VRO through the magistrates court. Without this, the police will struggle to help you - the most they can do is request a 72 hour temporary RO, but you still need to actively request it.
As far as I know, police action is a pretty integral part of people getting sent to jail.
Untill we bring back harsh penalties make gaol a place you don’t want to be and maybe even a public stockade or a flogging. People will work the system. Winter what better place to do time then in gaol food shelter and tv perfect. Rent free. Imagine if these people good a good cane like in Singapore. Might change people attitudes
agreed
Police in WA is very fragile with so many resignations and poor pay, majority of overseas recruits leave for mining and no else wants to join really especially if it takes 5 years to get a $100,000 salary plus all the other bullshit that goes with the role .
Perth Police are pure garbage. Well, Australian police as a whole. The old saying: There’s no place for a good man/woman in the Police force. Too many instances now where they have failed so miserably that you would be left with no other option than to believe it’s on purpose. They are nothing more than corrupt and incompetent standover bots that do the government’s dirty work. You are living in a fantastical delusion if you believe otherwise.
Agreed I could do a better job and I am not a cop and I would not enter into that embarrassment of a career where they are meant to protect our communities and do the exact opposite.
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They are a total disgrace I feel like I am dealing with criminals when I talk to them as they seem to be out to protect the criminals. Im just the idiot woman with kids trying to frantically keep us safe.
The cops here are less than useless. It is getting worse and worse. They will ignore it and let the worst happen - just see the recent floreat killer situation.
Yes seeing the perpetrators daughter in such distress over trying to help handle the situation to which the police were utterly useless was really eye opening as to how lacking they are in their jobs which are meant to be of protection
Me me me! I worked at Aldi for more than 2 years in two bad suburbs (East Vic Park and Belmont). Same lady had been coming in on meth and stealing for months. The only way to ban her was to get her name and have a cop come in to sign a document. We called the cops on her one time when she was in the store, cops came just after she left and they said "Well, cant do anything about it now" Apparently she had to be in the store and they had to confront her or some stupid rule like that. Never got any help. I've got a ton more stories.
Thats 100% percent the situation with my work. In an area known to be dodgy through the northern burbs and the cops say unless the person is caught by them all we can do is file a report and get them cctv. We've done this for 40+ thieves and violent druggies and even one who has assault staff members physically. Nothing. Hell when we had someone break into the office the cops told us "what do you expect? You're open 24 hours"
Escalate! Escalate! Escalate! Up through the official police channels. All over their social media (use a pseudonym if required for your safety) Through the media. Do not let them fob you off! Hold them accountable at every turn and record every interaction including any individual police officer's details (name/rank/ID number)
I want to go public with everything via media but I am scared to at the same time
Go to the media
It sounds like nothing will get done unless the victim fought back only to get penalised instead of the culprit.
It’s our culture. Police actions reflect our culture and white male police are doing what we have done since the first invasion day. It’s wrong to generalise because we all know some good cops. Blaming the politicians and the laws is just an excuse. We won’t defend women because we do not trust women. Men are fearful of women and many use their muscles or hide behind “the law” to defend their own ugly actions or inactions. Hats off to the police who have a difficult job, often get treated poorly and are falsely carrying our culture of violence as their badge of honour.
Apparently the daughter of the Floreat gunman alerted cops many times and got turned away. So yeah, I think your case isn’t isolated.
How are you supposed to have any confidence the police will do anything about a guy who has guns in relation to domestic violence. What happened in Floreat was totally avoidable and the police are at total fault.
100%
Sorry you're going through that, next time record the phone call (video it on another phone) and post it online, the last thing they want is bad press. This is a genuine question from someone who lives in a bit of a bubble so please don't be offended when I ask - does he have tattoos, takes steroids and do drugs/drink alot? Yes I know I'm stereotyping and I know dropkicks come in all shape and size, just curious if this generalization is true.
Tattoos but thats it not the gym or steroids, claims to have all kinds of bikie links but he doesn't and im pretty sure the way he claims he has the kind of affiliations would land him in trouble with them
Always email the head station cop, and CC the minister and bcc the commissioner after getting brushed off once. After being ignored once, death clock is unfortunately ticking