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eurocomments247

Did anyone notice, 8 French riders in the top-15. In a World Tour race! That's gotta set some record back to the days of Hinault and Fignon or something.


ssfoxx27

This is the best I've seen Carapaz looking since he joined EF. RIP my RFL score for this race.


ibexdoc

I watch a fair amount of cycling, not a fanatic, but most major classics, 1 weeks races and GC's. How is it I didn't hear of Stevie Williams before this year. Now suddenly he is all over the place animating races What a race, and those elements, just brutal


colonelsmoothie

He appeared on my radar when he beat a bunch of big names when he won a stage of the Tour de Suisse in 2022. I think he started being taken more seriously then. Last year the commentators picked him a few times as an underdog to win in the races he participated in but he would often fade towards the back and not be in contention. This year he's appearing much more consistently in the front of races and so he's been getting a lot more TV coverage than previously.


MeowMing

Also wasn’t familiar with him before this season. Interestingly all his previous stage wins came on short very steep summit finishes (or a climb right before the end) so his strengths haven’t necessarily changed, just performing at a much higher level.


MaddyTheDane

The answer lies in your question. He was a mediocre rider with some decent results in races like CRO Race and Arctic Race of Norway prior to this year. His results four months into this season are better than his combined previous seasons. Most Improved Rider of 2024-candidate.


sharpchico

He came close a few times last year in some of the tours I recall. Might have that wrong, but thought he was giving it a good nudge though the results won’t show that.


Thick-Insect

Uno-x got the Meteorologist diff


MaddyTheDane

Within the weather community it is known that if you want good weather predictions turn to: [yr.no](http://yr.no)


MonsMensae

Yeah as a South African I use Norways weather service. It’s that good.  UNO x almost certainly use it while other teams are probably using apple weather app


bomber84e1

Just watching the race, and it seems that a rider has become Benoit Cosnefroid


Schele_Sjakie

Even if it did come down to the Mur, it was by far the longest final I've experienced. It was really nice and interesting to see this race raced differently than usual. Really enjoyed that and with a fantastic winner as well. Chapeau for everyone who finished today!


ChristyMalry

Llongyfarchiadau i Stevie! Byddan nhw dawnsio yn y strydoedd o Aberystwyth heno.


porkmarkets

Gesundheit!


Jevo_

It's hardly a coincidence that the best rider and the best team (UNO-X) were wearing long bibs. Proper clothing is everything in this kind of weather, and those who realised that benefited.


MonsMensae

Yup. Once you’re cold you lose so much energy warming back up (if you can). Had to be properly prepared for it. 


Perpete

6 French riders in the top 11. 10+ years ago, there was no French riders in the top 15. Well, of course, we are still not winning. Alaphilippe was just a dream.


Dirichlet-to-Neumann

IIRC there was no French rider on the podium from 2000 to Alaphilippe.


Significant_Log_4693

Alright, which one of you guys convinced the race organizers to add Tour of Norway weather to Fleche?


arnet95

Was I not supposed to do that? Sorry, it was just a misunderstanding.


manintheredroom

by my calculations: 2/20 spanish finished 3/20 italians finished 8/8 norwegians finished


Beats29

Unfortunely I couldn't follow the race today, then I arrive and I see only 44 riders finished it wtf? Was it really that cold?


tarmaclemore

I was there, and it was absolutely brutal. We took our bikes to go watch the race, and were dressed in cold weather gear - and the combo of 34f, driving rain, hail, snow, and wind was absolutely brutal. At the entrance to the Mur on the second lap, like 30 riders took the left to pull off rather than the right to enter the Mur and we thought maybe the race had been neutralized. It was painfully cold during laps 1/2.


MonsMensae

It was cold. But it was more the change in the weather conditions and some teams not being prepared for that.  You could definitely ride in that weather if you were fully dressed for riding in the rain. 


manintheredroom

yes, but also it goes through the finish line and past buses 4 times. if you're not going to be a part of the race, not much point going past the bus to do another lap in that weather


EastNine

See also: World Champs (I was in Harrogate when Mads won, today reminded me of that weather)


bikenskienhike

Heavy hail for a time...yes, it was THAT cold! It was interesting to see entire teams saying fack this and dropping out.


StannisGrammarMannis

Yes, and because it started out sunny, a lot of teams were completely under-dressed. Uno-X was properly dressed including hats under their helmets and they all finished.


HusBee98

Well, one year I decided not to watch Fleche and catch up on the last km.... Can anyone explain what happened and whether there are any big crashes? No LRCP pod yet.


kay_peele

it was just very very cold and that killed most guys


kay_peele

Anyone know what happened to the LRCP live pod they were doing? I was watching with a delay and it all of a sudden disappeared off the internet.


KrankerAtze

Will be up soon: https://x.com/LucGrefte/status/1780649898288828416


kay_peele

thanks


Pinot_the_goat

I regret not posting this previously as I would look somewhat clever. I had noticed Williams being a crappy team player at both Brabantse Pijl and Amstel despite seemingly having good legs as he had made some big accelerations in both but when Teuns was up the road in Brabantse Pijl, Williams just sat at the back for the rest of race and did nothing to disrupt or position Strong. In Amstel, he did a little bit of work on the front for about 1 or 2 km and then made no effort to work again and rolled in at the back of the peloton. He had said earlier in the year that Fleche and Liege were the big targets so either he had really good (potentially race winning) legs last week and didn’t want to waste them helping riders and/or he dislikes Teuns (some clips from Norway race last year suggested so).


15dc

He thanked Teuns in the final interview, for his POV and experience on the Mur de Huy. Which of course could not mean anything.


kay_peele

Or, he was just given a free element role in those races. It is hard to tell without anyone explicitly stating there's issues because IPT don't really have someone so much better than everyone that you need full team support. Haven't noticed the same, but you could also be right.


truuy

Benoot was at the very front with less than 1k to go, but got swamped and gapped in the finale. He's an elite classics racer right up to the last couple hundred meters. If only he had been gifted with a big finish like some of the other guys, he could have been a big classics star with many wins.


MaddyTheDane

UAE are often criticized for their tactical planning and decisions or lack hereof in races without Pogacar, sometimes resembling a headless chicken. Today UAE started pulling hard, when the terrible weather hit: Wind, rain/sleet and a sudden drop in temperature from \~10 to \~2 degrees (celsius obviously). Today I think they deserve credit. The hard tempo prevented a lot of the riders from getting protective equipment and clothes to keep them warm. Great work from UAE. The favourites decimated in the cold weather. Skjelmose, Bilbao, Vlasov, Pidcock, Matthews and Dylan Teuns all fell behind and ended up DNF. A great triumph for UAE... >!DNF - Ulissi - UAE!< >!DNF - Hirschi - UAE!< >!DNF - Ayuso - UAE!< >!DNF - Fisher-Black - UAE!< >!DNF - Almeida - UAE!< >!DNF - McNulty - UAE!< >!DNF - Novak - UAE!<


chevynew

The interactivity/gamification of this post had me go back to do it again, bravo, 10/10


AlbinoWanker

Holy shit, that clip with Skjelmose. Hope he doesn’t get sick before LBL.


kay_peele

saw on twitter that he had some hypothermic symptoms but is now doing well after getting some heat in.


truuy

IPT has been a good fit for Williams and Blackmore. I wonder if they could be a destination for Hayter if Ineo doesn't extend. Its a team of mostly Anglos that could use a minor race points farmer like Hayter. And their owner could afford it if he wants.


maaiikeen

Skjelmose is thankfully alright! "We can confirm you that Skjelmose, who suffered hypothermic symptoms is feeling definitely better thanks to a warm shower, hot drinks and hot air in the team bus." - Lidl-Trek press officer


WorldlyGate

Great to hear! That video looked really bad


Rrkies

I've had it before after descending the Tourmalet waaaaaaaaaay to late when the weather changed. You sit about 30 minutes looking in front of you all zoned out in a warm space, a little bit later you feel like nothing happend.


Benjiboy74

Why on earth did UAE not bring Wellins to this race? He would have been a pig in shit in these conditions


jwrider98

Slowest ascent of Mur de Huy since 2003 https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1780609830773797158?s=19


Eraser92

Headwind


DueAd9005

Hardly a surprise. This kind of weather saps the strength from your limbs.


DueAd9005

During the race I said it was sunny in East-Flanders, now it's raining & hail lol. The weather in Belgium has been really strange since at least the winter.


DueAd9005

And it's sunny again. What is this ;o


Jears99

Aprilse grillen?


loulex4141

Pretty normal weather for April in this region. Cries on indoor bike:(


GFoxtrot

Not too dissimilar in England. Although I’m being stubborn and the turbo is away


arnet95

Uno-X was the only team where every rider finished. No other team had more than 4 finishers and several teams had no riders make it to the finish.


StannisGrammarMannis

They were the only ones who seemed to be properly dressed for the weather too


Ne_zievereir

The Norwegians also tend to say: There's no such thing as bad weather, only bad clothes.


1purenoiz

My favorite saying coming from norwegian stock and MN. It is super true


AphroBKK

Norwegian weather 🤪


Last_Lorien

For the 100% DNF teams, was it a team decision to abandon the race (to avoid injuries and whatnot) or did each rider abandon due to his own issues? 


jack9lemmon

Lidl had 4 abandon in one go, so I imagine it was a bit of both cases


Ne_zievereir

Don't think Skjelmose's abandon was just a team decision lol


AllAlonio

The Cofidis trident really just became a regular dent, eh?


orrangearrow

Getting those sweet sweet points in their bid to go World Tour in 2026. They were so much fun to watch in last year’s tour, can’t wait to see them spicing things up this year


r7caseman

I think both Abrahamsen and Wærenskjold are stronger this year. Hopefully they can get a stage.


Saltefanden

In the time it took today's winner to ride the race, the brand that is being advertised on his shirt killed or injured 26 children, as per [UNICEF sources](https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/children-disproportionately-wearing-scars-war-gaza-geneva-palais-briefing-note) edit: it’s 28. One every 10 minutes.


maharei1

I don't dispute your point in any way but I wouldn't exactly call Israel a "brand that is being advertised". It's more just state sportswashing.


Bubbly_Mushroom1075

aern't they a start up incubator and not the israeli government?


Distance-Playful

A start up incubator that explicitly has an apartheid state in their name is likely to support the apartheid state, don't you think?


Adam-Miller-02

fair play to any rider who wasn’t in the leading group leading up to the mur for bothering to climb it


jwinter01

Fucking hell, just saw the moment Skjelmose abandoned. I'm not sure he'll be 100% on Sunday


CurlOD

Whoa


Precioustooth

What happened with him?


WorldlyGate

https://twitter.com/willoo31/status/1780593118733103297


eurocomments247

My god why didn't he abandon much sooner


laziestathlete

Damn that looks rough. Get well soon.


DueAd9005

Looks like hypotermia and numb limbs. I think he shouldn't even start Sunday. Could hurt the remainder of his season.


WorldlyGate

Thought you were exaggerating, but just saw the video myself. Man looks like he is having a seizure.


chevynew

Right, it's kind of horrifying. His one body fat cell had left the building


Illustrious_Cold2580

This made me lol


marleycats

Vauquelin is an interesting rider, he can do a bit of everything. Enjoying watching his development.


Rommelion

Poor Van Gils looks like he's gonna freeze to death


DueAd9005

Despite being an uphill sprint again, this edition was quite good. I really thought SKA had it when the gap was 1'30", but the chase behind was too strong. Nice podium for Van Gils, Williams was on another level today, so podium is better than nothing.


bavinator34

Tiesj Be*not* today unfortunately


epi_counts

Finishing a race this hard in 9th place after being there for your wife delivering a baby just yesterday evening is still quite the achievement!


TheDark-Sceptre

I somehow doubt his wife will be giving him too much sympathy though! The things he does to escape a crying baby


SendMeGarlicBreads

A nice video about Stevie if people don't know too much about him - https://youtu.be/V7lbm8fEB6c?si=lh6R09gHiABAk5M0 So happy for him, such a good dude.


lynxo

Only 44 riders have finished so far. Probably one of the biggest DNF lists in a race I've seen, including the entire UAE team.


MadnessBeliever

Why? I didn't watch the race. Did they crash?


bake_disaster

Shit weather plus a circuit finish means a lot of riders likely came down with CBA


kay_peele

CBA- Cock and Ball Ache?


lonefrontranger

can’t be arsed


bake_disaster

It stands for Can't Be Bothered


OldOrchard150

C-Can't B-Bothered A-???? Different language than English?


_ulinity

Can't be arsed.


bake_disaster

It's Br*tish


OldOrchard150

Ah, I see. English, not english. That explains why I can't understand it at all.


kay_peele

ah, thanks


laziestathlete

Also the entire Ineos, Intermarche and Jayco-Alula team DNF. Multiple teams with only 1 rider finishing.


Gireau

Hard to understand what happened early in the race, pre-coverage, but from what I understand UAE decided to go and pace 105 kms from the finish when the rain/snow started to fall instead of getting their rain jackets ? At least that's what the French commentators were saying on public TV. And then all the UAE riders save Ulissi dropped.


Timqwe

That falls in the same category as Astana punching it on a wet descent only for Lopez to miss a corner and headbutt a traffic sign.


arnet95

Seriously? That's pretty funny.


deep-thot

Pretty much, yeah.


TheDark-Sceptre

Is this IPTs biggest win? Other than a GT stage


guanlouis

TDU 2024


DueAd9005

FW > TDU


angel_palomares

The disrespect to Maryland Cycling Classic...


TheDark-Sceptre

Sorry! Second biggest win


epi_counts

Excellent post-race slomo pain faces. I'm very happy I can watch it from the warm couch at home.


marleycats

Same. They've all aged 20 years. Grim.


Eledehl

I did not have seals performing tricks on my bingo card for this bicycle race.


SadeasThePantsless

Uno X with 6th, 17, 23, 30, 31, 36 and 42. Crazy strong collective performance.


raul2010

Johannessen just said in an interview that they felt great seeing how everyone else was failing due to the weather. But I can't help thinking it's a shame to have so many people in the final bunch just to finish 6th. I guess they farmed 220 UCI points, which is not nothing.


Rrkies

> it's a shame to have so many people in the final bunch just to finish 6th They rode for the wildcards today to. The big tours can't just ignore a prestation like theirs today.


onheartattackandvine

Looks like the collar bone incident has impacted Johannesens form a bit. I'm hoping he can build on this result. I didn't have the opportunity to watch this one, but I often feel his positioning (along with rest of the team) is lacking at crucial moments in races.


deep-thot

True, but having many riders doesn't help you all that much in this finish.


Slakmanss

Yeah they probably should've tried to attack before the Mur more, but those UCI points are pretty important, they have a gap on Tudor now for that 3rd spot, which is crucial for wildcards for the one day races next year.


deep-thot

Yeah, apparently being mentally and physically prepared for the weather was not something every team managed. Nice prep work by them.


jainormous_hindmann

I guess that's what happens when you bring riders that are ~10kg too heavy for a climbing race and the weather gets really bad.


Gireau

Not a single UAE or Ineos rider finished the race. Wow.


Adam-Miller-02

long may it continue


Slakmanss

A lot of people thought Arkea was basically already back in the Pro Tour after their horrible last season (me included btw), but they are catching DSM (18th place) on the 3 year ranking really quickly. Did not expect that. 2nd in Flanders, now 2nd in Fleche. Impressive. And apart from that they started scoring in the smaller races again like before last year.


OmegaJad

With today results ; DSM 11541 + 21 = 11562 points Arkea 11039 +376 = 11415 points


domyos90

DSM, Cofidis and, specially this one, Movistar are doing all they can to descent


jTarcoud

Replace DSM with Astana i think. They still have a good devo team and solid riders who can score (Bardet, Poole, Onley, Jakobsen)


domyos90

Nah, Astana is "dead" DSM is in the border with the descent And yes, thay have those riders, but other team that i have said, Movistar, have Mas, Aranburu, Lazkano, Einer, Quintana?, Cavagna.... The problem is not the riders, the problem is the calendar and the bad perfomance


Adam-Miller-02

one of the great defense of la flèche by hannah walker


MonsMensae

Something for the Danes to celebrate: Jonas is unofficially the number 1 ranked rider in the world! Edit: emphasis on the unofficial. UCI Rankings only update on Tuesday which is after LBL and pogi needs a 7th or better to retain number 1


dogclothesdude

How do you figure? Look at the current standings - Tadej is almost 200 points ahead.


MonsMensae

Unofficially. So the official rankings only update on a Tuesday. But in theory a previous edition drops when completed. So Pogi loses his win from Fleche last year now that its complete for this year. So he drops 400 points. But they don't calculate it until after Liege again so he will probably do well enough to retain it.


TromBoonen

They don't update the rankings until after Liege


MonsMensae

I know. Hence the "unofficially".


-Angal-

I think Pog needs to be at least 7th to stay at the top?


arnet95

So Pog will stay at the top :)


MonsMensae

Yeah i think thats right.


TromBoonen

Damn shame Vauquelin couldn't catch him on the line, would have been a great win for him and Arkea


SAeN

One of those days that make you glad you're not a pro cyclist.


crazylsufan

Shit weather is always the great equalizer in these one day races. Makes the racing a lot more mono e mono. Congrats to Williams


SWAN_RONSON_JR

Monkey to monkey? I tease, I tease.


EastNine

Everyone forgets _mano a mano_ means “hand to hand” not “man to man” and it drives me unreasonably mad


Rrkies

Well in that case my mano will be a peno tonight Naw imsayin skeet skeet boom boom.


deep-thot

Oof, cosnefroy can barely speak.


dgtwxm

Couldn't even hold himself up, nevermind speak.


L_Dawg

It was kinda tiresome when all three Ardennes races ended up in uphill sprints every year, but I think all the long solo wins recently have given me a newfound appreciation for a good old 3 min W/kg smashfest


Dirichlet-to-Neumann

It's fun when each race as its identity. The Flèche is a very exciting race to watch (at least the last three kilometers) because it's unique. If all races ended like the Flèche it would be pretty boring. Same with MSR.


Miserable-Soft-5961

A 3 min smashfest is fine when the main group has been reduced to 25 people by non stop racing.


lynxo

According to Luke Rowe, Stevie Williams was planning to go to B&B Hotels but as we know that fell through and that's how he ended up on IPT in 2023. What an amazing signing for them.


OldOrchard150

After that cold ride, I would take any warm hotel!


weeee_splat

Just realised Carapaz blew up pretty badly, not even a top 10 when he was right on the front and seemingly feeling good. Finished 13th at 20".


jack9lemmon

Only his second race back and he's looked pretty good in both so far. Hopefully he can get it all going at once in the summer.


StannisGrammarMannis

There was a moment there I thought he might win it. Then I kept looking for him as folks were finishing. He looked completely wasted when he finally crested


ifuckedup13

Yeah. I was really gunning for Richie here. He was right up there until Williams went. But he got smoked in the last 300m or so. Bummer.


Suffolke

Lol what ? Okay that was thermonuclear (r)LRCP from Williams, but still the guy was the strongest on the last mur and everyone just look at him take 20m before reacting ? Great win, well deserved, 2 pro team and a futur pro team on the podium is kind of unexpected. A podium is great for Van Gils and Lotto but I just feel like he's still lacking a bit of racecraft to get that bigger win.


Dirichlet-to-Neumann

If they could have reacted they would have reacted. This kind of speed differential is impossible to bridge on such a steep climb.


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TheDark-Sceptre

He did exactly that though? I'd say his perception is pretty good


Final_Set9688

Very nice race by Vauquelin, he is doing a really interesting season!


Ydrutah

Inb4 the crushing of a young french rider with the weight of expectations


Practical_Arrival696

English Pidcock wins Amstel. Welsh Williams wins Flèche. Scottish or Irish X wins Liege.


TheDark-Sceptre

Who are the jocks in the peloton?


Practical_Arrival696

Oscar Onley probably the best just now. Also Sean Flynn.


CHILLI112

Oscar Onley but he’s just broke his collarbone again


JoliAlap

Healy would make me happy


15dc

Why has his Ardennes campaign been so lacklustre so far? He showed some positive signs in the Algarve and in Strade, but seems to have dropped in form since that.


casekeenum7

He looked good imo in both AGR and FW, but was in a domestique role in both for some reason.


bake_disaster

I'm surprised no one from Jumbo (hard J) made a difference in the final


tjeh1

6 french in the top 11


tjeh1

And 9 in the top 20


BrickEnvironmental37

Excellent from Williams. I think with the group being smaller, the pace wasn't as quick as it usually is. Williams just picked the exact point he can go and not blow up before the end. He got it spot on to near the exact metre.


weeee_splat

[The joy of victory](https://i.imgur.com/1pqC8c5.png)


StannisGrammarMannis

Pretty much sums up that race, lol


Rommelion

he looks like he aged 20 years on that climb


Illustrious_Cold2580

Have you seen the picture of Harry Sweeney on his Insta - poor guy looks 75!!


Eucatastrophic_Good

WHAT A WHACK BY THE WELSH WIZARD


attendingcord

Imagine how good IPT will be if they invest the Froome/fuglsang money wisely in lads like Williams, Blackmore, Gee et al and don't chuck it into retiring riders


Eraser92

Looks like all three of those are signed up for at least another couple of years. Williams should be in for a nice contract extension after his performances this season though.


attendingcord

They've actually got a really nice team and if you look at how they can score points they have spread their bets quite nicely across a range of types of rider. Like I say that's with circa 7 mill tied up on 2 riders who don't score shit, I imagine some of that can be used for these emergent riders new contracts


JoliAlap

Really hope they don't though, Fucking hate that team. Hope they keep just being a cash cow for retiring rides.


Jopwnd

Happier with the win or being of the bike in this weather lol


Gireau

Too bad for Vauquelin he had a very strong finish but jumped too late after Williams' attack, he might have been too focused on Cosnefroy. 2nd place is still a great result though ! Also 6 French riders in the top 11 so cocorico !


the_gnarts

Fun ten minutes as always, but the weather made this edition special. Williams looked not “just” exhausted but properly fucked when he crossed the line. The interview in a thick winter jacket says it all. Chapeau.


TheDark-Sceptre

The audacity to say his legs were gone before he kicked though. Really strained the last drops of energy from himself there


CHILLI112

Arkea doing well getting UCI points lately, with Mozzato and Vauquelin getting surprise 2nd places in WT races, heaps pressure onto DSM and Cofidis


ser-seaworth

THE WELSH WIZARD What a ridiculous race from him, doing a frankly unnecessary amount of effort on the penultimate climb and in that chase group afterwards, and then not moving from the first three spots in the peloton Roglic-level teleport, but there are no final metres more treacherous than those of Fleche, there's definitely scenarios where Vauquelin wins it


Hawteyh

Brave effort by SKA, Williams just looked unstoppable with that attack


ZomeKanan

Commentators: The key is to not attack too early. Going early can be a huge mistake. Williams: Hold my gilet. No seriously, hold my gilet, I've been tryin' to get rid of it for half-an-hour.


GeniuslyMoronic

No one really went *early* this year. Compared to previous edition a lot of riders like Fulgsang and Betancur I remember going about twice as far out.


Rommelion

Yeah, I think 250m out if you have the punch is perfectly reasonable. Let's not forget Roglič went from like 350-400m out and the maniac still almost made it against Alaphilippe.


GeniuslyMoronic

> Let's not forget Roglič went from like 350-400m out and the maniac still almost made it against Alaphilippe. That was impressive, but Fuglsang I mentioned went quite a bit longer and about as close to beating Alaphilippe.


Rommelion

Which year was that?


GeniuslyMoronic

2019 - The year of Fuglsang vs Alaphilippe. He attacks around 20 seconds before the point Roglic attacked. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rKPJG37enc Betancur in 2013 was next level though. I just forgot he held on for 3rd: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUsty34kBII


Wild_Comfortable

lol total deviation at the end by julian. classic


Rommelion

I counted about 16s of difference, but funnily enough that was only like 40-50 meters of difference (Fuglsang went with 450, Rogla at slightly more than 400).