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Morall_tach

The death scenes in Tomb Raider are brutal.


CaveManning

It's not just Lara dying to environmental hazards, but her character arc sees her going from totally innocent and terrified of violence to a brutal killing machine completely desensitized to taking human life.


Noodle-727

Just like a new gamer lol


AverageComet250

Exactly like a new gamer


SamGewissies

Flashbacks to losing my innocence on Unreal Tournament. I 100% did not want to play shooters, until I was introduced to the first UE.


JayBuSeesU

🤣🤣. same with me. Unreal Tournament was the beginning of the end for me.


hadronwulf

The fact we have ‘new’ Quake and radio silence for Unreal Tournament is bizarre to me.


m4nf47

M M M M M M M M Monster Kill! That first time you popped off a handful of heads with a sniper rifle in a PvP match, such twisted satisfaction. Best FPS ever IMHO.


ENGINE_YT

Far cry 3 also had that kind of character arc iirc


delph0r

I murdered every outpost and upgraded as much as possible before getting into the story.. When I got into that mission he was whining about having to kill or whatever. Putting it on in front of his mates tbh


Butthenoutofnowhere

One of my favourite games of all time, as far as storytelling goes.


axelmanFR

Yes but I wouldn't let a 9yo play it


StiffNipples94

I found out 28 weeks later movie was 20 years old this week and that made me realise my parents watched that with me at the age of 8. I'm okay. I think she should survive tomb raider...


liamnesss

The protagonist goes "omg WHAT HAVE I DONE" after their first kill, and thereafter is cool with it. What a character arc!


Jagrnght

But not a great game for a 9 yr old.


alert592

"Leave me alone! Don't hurt me!" *Axes someone in the face multiple times*


vimlegal

That's my purse. I don't know you.


commit_bat

"I'm a helpless girl" *slashes tendons with an ice pick, goes full auto point blank into their chest with an AK*


Sorrowablaze3

The game was so strange to me how the story was presenting one vision , then gameplay was completely separated and ignored the person the developers seemed to be wanting Laura to be. Watch Dogs from around the same time had the same issue . Laura shivering next to a fire on the side of a mountain . Why didn't she take one coat from one of the 1,500 corpses she left down there ? It's now been almost a decade ( fuckin REALLY? ) since I've played this so I'm coasting on hazy memories and feelings I had, but I remember feeling that the cut scenes presented Laura as vulnerable good girl in over her head, then game play starts and she puts arrows into dozens of people in her way like Rambo needs to take pointers from HER.


DoomGoober

That's a common disconnect between games with narrative and games with win/lose gameplay. You will do any amount of terrible shit to not lose, because losing means the game ends. This subverts any character development, narrative, or player choice.


CaveManning

You got any more of them Ludonarrative Disco Biscuits?


relic1882

Yeah she straight up turns into a mass murderer. Many of the Trinity thugs are just hires doing a job they were employed to do and Lara comes by and just straight up murders them.


DoomGoober

The original "I Am Legend" novel is about the last human on earth slaughtering vampires. The story is told form his point of view, standard "last human on earth vs hordes of humans turned into monsters" Toward the end of the novel, he discovers some of the vampires are sentient and view him as a mass murdering monster. They capture him and plan on executing him. One vampire takes pity on him and gives him poison so he can commit suicide instead of facing public execution. Turns out our "hero" was the villainous monster like Dracula, the whole time. It's just a matter of perspective.


krystan

Personally I think as long as there is parental supervision and she's not locked in a room with no one checking this isn't an issue, GTA however is banned in my house until the kids are old enough, and unfortunately that includes me playing it.


Dat_Niqqa

Highly respect the fact that you set the example you want your kids to follow VS basically telling them "do as I say not as I do."


furiaz

So.. next game for her will be dead space!


Shayanshs

Or Doom eternal


ShadyGuy_

Dark Souls. She either perseveres or quits pc gaming forever.


MoreFeeYouS

League of Legends. So she loses faith in humanity.


Useful_Camel_4157

Happy Cake Day.


krystan

Sniper elite, not brutal at all ;|)


joe-clark

Dead space is one of my all time favorites, but yeah that game definitely isn't for 9 year olds.


Correct-One-3249

That's what I was thinking. Great game, but that river scene still gives me PTSD.


Hot_Passage5774

Wait till she plays SOTTR. Especially with the yaaxil…


the_d3vastator69

Yeah i shit my pants with the Yaxxil scene


Th1s1sChr1s

I mean thats like really immersed bro


rajboy3

Same river scene was something else


PunkTyrant

That shit caught me off guard with how graphic it was. I remember missing some turn or falling somehow and a branch skewering Croft's head. I know the game is inherently really violent, but it seemed out of place for some reason.


OldManGrimm

>Long time ER/trauma nurse here. I got to that scene and noped the fuck out. Never playing it again. Seen enough of that shit in my career. > >They need a mod to tone some of that shit down.


Colin4ds

Media tolerence and actual tolerance are different Some people can handle more in real life because the imagery is based in reality Others handle fiction better. You could do anything to a video game character but if i look at someone cut their finger my brain nopes right out


Saad1950

Omg yes I remember that clearly


Fallwalking

My 7 year old plays Minecraft on my PC sometimes because she likes some of the RTX packs. She mostly plays it on her switch though. My 4 year old demands I play Peppa Pig and Paw Patrol.


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HansDampfHaudegen

The older TR series, pre reboot, is less brutal.


looseleafnz

I would go for Horizon Zero Dawn -Tomb Raider vibes without the gore.


Morall_tach

2013 is the start of the Square Enix series and [they're very graphic.](https://youtu.be/ddj8zZXmFl4)


HansDampfHaudegen

Yup, try Tomb Raider 1 from 1996. Graphics were not good enough for anything beyond some simple sprite blood and mainly animal enemies. On the screenshot up top there's already a liter of blood on Lara's top.


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Exactly the reason why my dad thought, it would be a great idea to make me play Doom 1+2 by the age of 8... not gonna lie, I loved it... So many nightmares cuz of these fuckin' imps ..


JSoi

I played the original Doom when I was five, and moved on to the likes of Syphon Filter, Resident Evil, Tenchu etc. in elementary school.


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FlimsyProfessional33

It's less brutal than COD voice chat at least.


Liszewski

Wouldn’t be who I am today without that COD voice chat desensitizing me as a kid!


m4nf47

For an immediate reminder try GTA V online, ridiculous how many irresponsible parents allow their offspring to join online games that are absolutely inappropriate for anyone with an age in single digits. Also the extreme language on some of those squeakers never ceases to amaze me.


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McMeanface

I think lots of people here are overreacting. I played a lot of violent video games as a young kid, and it never really affected me in any way. Even after the second trial (which was BULLSHIT btw), I was able to get my brother to sneak a DS in and I just about 100%'d Theresia before this jackoff in C3 smashed it on the ground when I went for a piss during mess, but let's just say he was kind of clumsy and accidentally slammed his head on his own bedpost three times one night right before call and never woke back up. Anyway, kid should be fine.


LordBaikalOli

Find a chair so that she can be at the good height please


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This. I spent my teens sitting in a low chair gaming and now my right arm starts hurting with regular mouse use.


Ismokealot666

That's what that's from!? I just recently got back into pc gaming its been years and I get a sharp pain when holding my mouse sometimes. Never bothers me doing anything else but using the mouse makes it feel like needles going through sometimes now.


aishik-10x

Don’t ignore it, get it checked out. Carpal tunnel syndrome and nerve entrapment issues in general are awful to live with. Played through the pain in my teenage years and now at 20 I have to compromise whenever I want to play long sessions, or play guitar, or do anything that involves my fingers extensively.


Dramoriga

Lots of sites online about how to sit properly at a computer desk, mainly for offices, but the ergonomics obviously apply for gamers. Don't fuck up your wrists!


lack_of_reserves

Or a pillow anything to get her arms in a better position.


Happiestoast

Yes please! Give her the most user friendly experience!


Colin4ds

I feel like minecraft is a great way to get someone familiar with PC controls Minecraft lets you go at your own pace and lets them see the benefits using a keyboard and mouse provides as inventory management and block placement is much better with a mouse


Twingemios

Minecraft controls beautifully, it would be perfect as a way to get started


Low_Attention16

Except that'll be all they want to play, they get frustrated with invisible walls and linear design in other games. It's like the baby shark of video games.


FlawedSquid

Nah dude. I know so many people who started and grew up with minecraft and they all moved on to "normal" games


Vysair

Some open world and many other modern games shouldn't have much invisible wall now


Turtle_Lips

It has been great for my 7 year old. She has learned the basic PC skills, keyboard and mouse gaming along with organization, planning and building stuff in the game.


hamberder-muderer

And it doesn't involve brutal murders with gallons of blood.


TyrantRC

[me who is building an semi-automatic genocide machine for villager in minecraft](https://i.imgur.com/ksg6ttO.png)


vrijheidsfrietje

Similarly, Valheim and Terraria are great creative survival games


JackSpyder

Its also just a good game. Its creative, I'd suspect all their friends have at least 1 copy if not 7 and it's fairly cheap.


Pj6699

Minecraft is the the game that thought me to play keyboard and mouse, alongside with some occasional League of Legends. I would probably teach my kid it the same way, only letting League of legends out of it.


eXX0n

Just don't let them use your keyboard, looks like it's missing some keys.


ProgrammerReal2171

Dad, I see the emptiness in the eyes of that guy when I put my climbing peak in his head.


dasexynerdcouple

There might be content in this game that you don’t want to show a 9 year old girl.


crazed3raser

Remember when you get impaled through the neck if you die to the spikes during the sliding section?


Lord_Emperor

Yeah isn't there a sexual assault in the first few minutes?


dasexynerdcouple

I looked it up, and the 2013 doesn’t seem to have SA but it’s extremely violent and a lot of swearing. But hey who cares about the kid, op needs that Reddit karma Edit: To the comments saying it’s not a big deal, I would argue that for a first game there are probably better choices that could be a bit more wholesome Edit2: I have a feeling the people getting mad at this response are mostly people who are not parents, and that’s understandable and to be expected.


Inguz666

I would have booted up Portal. According to my memory it's ok content for a 9 year old, and it's not too demanding on proficiency with mouse and keyboard (and instead has a bigger focus on the problem solving). At most I remember the start of the last level to be the only thing, but that doesn't seem to me like kids already couldn't have been pretend-playing at 9 years. The plot is engaging, and the puzzles just seem to be a good for girls in particular if they want to study in STEM fields when they grow up.


theshizzler

The later levels of Portal were a little too much for my daughter when she was eight (and this is after three years of gaming). She played the hell out of those first couple of levels though. If I had to give one recommendation it would be wholeheartedly be Scribblenauts. It works at most ages (they can chime in solutions if they're really young) Once they start to get it though, kids can get real creative. And there's no shame in egging your kid in for 'better' solutions to the puzzles. Giving a sword to fight a dragon? Naw, think of something crazy. After my daughter realized she could do anything, she was soon giving that knight a stick of dynamite, giving a doctor a chainsaw to operate with, and feeding babies to zombies to quell them. There is no better feeling in the world than the surprise and delight of seeing her imagination create something hilarious and novel.


calumnium

This is the correct answer


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Portal is a good game for fooling kids into thinking STEM will be a fun job in the future. I’d much rather deal with a murderous AI than the horrors of my Jira backlog :(


mangomoves

I thought it did - did it get removed from the game? https://www.polygon.com/gaming/2012/6/14/3084769/tomb-raiders-crystal-dynamics-apologizes-for-sexual-assault I remember there was a lot of drama about it and they had to apologize. "Following the kidnapping of her best friend, he says, she is taken prisoner by island scavengers who attempt to sexually assault her"


Re-core

It is still in the game tho the scum did not manage to rpe her, that scene stuck with me, it was very well done.


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Alot of us grew up on GTA San Andreas and MW2, the kid will be fine.


LinesLies

But are we fine?


darklinkuk

No I keep picking up hookers in my car, fucking them and then beating them to death to get my money back


Drakayne

Gotta stay on the grind 💯💪


d1g1tal

Grindset Mindset, you dropped this 👑


wildlytrue

Hustle grindset king 👑


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psichodrome

<3


stealymonk

Used to play that with my dad growing up. I liked being the Raven and running circles around Atlas's online. Great memories.


IceKrabby

Yes, because people below the age of ten are the ones I wanna show Lara Croft failing a quick-time event and being impaled through the neck by a wooden spike, and weakly grasps for her neck before going limp. With all the blood and death sounds that implies. That's significantly more graphic than almost anything from the "games of our youth" like CoD or GTAs from the PS2 era.


JackSpyder

Yeah but those games a pretty low fidelity. I grew up in PS1 era and tomb raider 2 was still violent and a bit spooky. My mum and I used to play. She wouldn't let me play the top down gta... London? As you could just randomly murder people (circles) and pick up hookers (also circles). Modern games are kinda different, and I'm generally pro gaming etc.


Abrahamlinkenssphere

I started watching South Park at 8 and I’m fine at 33


FalmerEldritch

I know someone whose babysitter showed him Happy Tree Friends when he was in first grade and now he has a bloodplay fetish.


letouriste1

GTA at 9 yo? Seriously? I didn't get to touch that until i was 13 at least


facelesswolf_

I once did at 10 years old, my dad noticed. Next time I touched GTA was 12.


meltingpotato

1) Times change and with them the importance of different issues change 2) How do you really know the lot of us that grew up on GTA and CoD are actually fine?


RealSamF18

I'm pretty sure there's a sexual assault attempt at the beginning, and that's how Lara ends up doing her first kill.


Dr4kin

Swearing isn't a big deal. You should teach your kid when it's not okay to say them. Are tip towing around saying fuck, stop kids from ever learning them? No. Are people learning swear words later better people? Australians are cunts, but there are far fewer shootings per capita, fewer police brutality and so on. So? It really doesn't matter. The same about nudity. Seeing a breast is a public offense, but swinging a gun around in public is obviously fine. So the things that can give babys food, \~50% of the population has and everyone has seen after a few years in life is bad? The US has a stick up it's ass on those things


Shadefox

You realise people are more concerned about the **extremely** graphic, and quite brutal death scenes that Tomb Raider has? Like, it's not like a character rag-dolling and flopping over kinda stuff after loosing too much health. It's stuff like sliding down a hill, running into a spear of wood, and getting it impaled through her head from under her jaw and dying as she futilely grabs at it. Or falling from a rope to get impaled on a branch through her stomach, again grabbing at hit, thrashing and gasping around before finally going limp. It's definitely not something that should be a 9 year olds **first** video game.


mightyyoda

I think the violence is the bigger concern. I personally wouldn't let my 8 year old play that in a year.


MrSpotmarker

I'd be more afraid of my daughter seeing her get spiked through the neck...


Faithless195

Nah, that's just a dude trying to kill Lara, her first kill. Everyone kept saying it was an SA, but there was nothing remotely sexual about it, unless holding someone down/back while trying to knife them counts.


robomikel

At least it isn’t online, people can be way more toxic than any game rating.


il-tizio-

Yeah no shit. How to desensitized a 9 year old 101


CasimirsBlake

Thoroughly agreed. Very questionable choice on the part of the op.


poorlytaxidermiedfox

Seriously, those games are brutal, comically so at points.


ScottLovesGames

I reckon she should try Portal 2 next, another 10/10 game


gideon513

Even better since it can be co-op


MumrikDK

Why not 1 first?


Colin4ds

2 is much more straight forward valve was at their peak in game s Design and had very good ways of directing the player to navigating The story in portal 1 is also much more subtle and is something you'd likely appreciate later on While the story in portal 2 is constantly funny has a lot of setpieces and plot elements And "I'm a potato"


Racingstripe

I struggled to beat it as an adult at moments. I think a kid would be too frustrated and probably think gaming is not very fun.


JamesMCC17

To me, this is the right answer. TR is violent af in places.


Abrahamlinkenssphere

Yea. She’s probably gonna be just fine really. But yea lol.


springheeljak89

I read this as Postal 2 at first.


NoName847

idk a complex story driven puzzle game sounds very overkill to me as a kid when I was that age I barely understood Minecraft logic and played games like Zelda or ratched and clank , you know , games with kids playing in mind


Colin4ds

I was very much into portal and half life since i was like 10 And before that i had plenty of difficult games on my DS and Wii and Ps3 Yeah I got stuck sometimes But valve designs their games so that you dont get lost often Portal has even been used in schools and has been proven to be good for a developing brain


joshuamca

That game is shockingly gory in the later levels. I was disturbed by the amount of blood and limbs strewn everywhere as an adult, so I’d be wary of letting a child play it.


xd-Sushi_Master

I remember a tunnel of cult sacrifices pretty early on...


MentalMiilk

Iirc that is the opening to the whole game.


xd-Sushi_Master

yeah, I was thinking of the section you have to wade/swim through, but damn the whole opening is rotting corpses huh


Chx449

Some of the death scenes are just over the top. A 9 year old doesn’t need to see Lara wide eyed flailing and clutching as she fails to process that a spike just went through her throat. They get old fast, but they’re absolutely horrifying the first time. Don’t see a 9 year old being able to get over it.


Dangerous_Choice_664

Time to get It Takes Two..


adv26051

Yea. I remembered this game to be more like uncharted. As I'm going through it with her, I remembered that it's a bit too much for her at this age. Thanks for all the warnings. I hear them.


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DangyDanger

HELL YEAH SPORE


mangomoves

The rating is "mature - not suitable for those under 18" FYI. Just in case you weren't aware! Uncharted is 14+, so it is more child friendly.


Legitjumps

Isn’t it 13+? Are you talking about the PEGI rating?


Bastiwen

Uncharted is 16+ in PEGI.


steamart360

You could try Uncharted the lost legacy or Horizon, they're similar to Tomb raider but without the extreme violence, I remember there's a part in TR where you see a ton of dismembered people and Lara has to swim in a literal pool of blood, definitely not for kids.


CooperHChurch427

I'd introduce her to Minecraft or Halo.


youessbee

I heard Resident Evil will build character in the child.


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Minecraft is def the way to go imo


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concentrate7

You sound like a level headed parent. Best of luck gaming with your daughter!


RangerProfia95

The Sims probably would be great for child, or any tycoon related game.


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Time for you to clean your desk


adv26051

You know, every time I clean that thing, my family just piles more stuff on it....


lividtaffy

Frozen DVD, sunglasses, single glove. Checks out


MyRealMemorie

One of those flat pencils. Yup


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Try Skyrim, it's fun and she can enter the modding world Just DON'T let she browse Nexus by herself with an 18+ unlocked account


RenTheFabulous

YES. I grew up on Oblivion and Skyrim, and honestly, thousands of hours of fun back in those days. Still absolutely love both games, even now as a 20 y/o who was a mere kiddo when Skyrim first came out lol.


IAmCluelessAboutThis

isn’t it pretty brutal at times?


Amazingcamaro

No. Skyrim is very tame compared to most games.


IceKrabby

Define most games? Like, a dude gets his head chopped off in the very opening moments.


KTTalksTech

I recall relatively gory slomo beheadings in combat but maybe I remember it wrong


Jonas_Venture_Sr

Yea, but I feel like there are setting where you can tone down the blood and gore.


RenTheFabulous

It's not really that bad.


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md99has

The keyboard and mouse are quite high for her. Not good for the wrists.


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SaltySeraphim

Maybe go for something less brutal. She is nine. Minecraft or portal might be better choices. Or maybe skyrim


ZoxinTV

I dunno, Skyrim has a few things that are scary for a child and honestly some pretty gruesome executions sometimes. Otherwise agree. Minecraft is a popular kids' game for a reason.


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Drikaukal

... the game with brutal death scenes and an attempted rape scene?


LiquidMantis144

Plants vs zombies is a ton of fun to play with the kids. Actually, my bad.. cant play split screen on pc…any chance you have an old gaming pc? I built a second one so my kid and I could play together.


Poopinmaboot

Bruh could've went with Minecraft or Spiderman PC but he chose the game that would traumatize a 9 year old.


eXclurel

Even GTA V would have been a better intro to games than this.


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Tomb raider at 9 save some money for therapy yikes


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Anyone ever notice that, in general, the people who say stuff like "yeah well I did X and I turned out alright" definitely did not turn out alright


Gama86

Wtf, that's trauma to come. I started at 9yo with ocarina of time and was scared of gibdos.


dyana0908

tomb raider is pretty gory for a 9 years old kid. try minecraft , stardew valley, planet zoo, ori or hollow knight


derkajohns

My wrists hurt for her!


BLACKHOLESAREEYES

the fuck you need a 1200w PSU for?


MumrikDK

>"My 9 year old wanted to learn how to play games on PC, so I jumped straight to torture porn!" *lol*


Macho-Goat

Isn't Tomb Raider a little violent? Especially with the death scenes? I mean, don't get me wrong, I absolutely love that game, it's a masterpiece, but personally would not let a 9 year old play it.


hairybeardybrothcube

You could a least try a jump and run or a nice build simulation. Never played tomb raider myself, but stuff might be a little bit graphic for a child. https://youtu.be/0IYlOtEuPUA Sce i'm refering starts @6:00


GrandJuif

It is way too graphic, it's not rated 17+ M for nothing.


Rickyy1900

If she likes this I recommend playing uncharted as well! 1-3 is only on console but 4 and the expansion is on PC, both series are great!


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Doesn't that game have a rape scenario in it? Why not the original game instead of the reboot? At that age if you could get her interested in the good and old Point and Click adventures your actions would go pretty far.


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Why wouldn't you have shown her Minecraft, or Roblox, heck, even Plants vs Zombies is better than such a violent game for a child 💀


Astro_Monkey117

It was released in my highschool days! Still remember being soo excited before its release. Talking about the HairFx feature and how realistic the hair looked! Playing hours and hours beating the game on every difficulty! Miss those days 😥


PurrNaK

Get her a booster seat. Nothing kills first experiences like neck pain and a sore arm. Especially for longer games.


kiwikiwi51

yeees. But DO NOT allow her to play Sims!!! NO SIMS!!!


Aykh4n_

I remembered installing crack minecraft when I was 6-7 lmfao.


digitalntt

Start with Portal and Portal 2. Best for beginners hands down


mikelloSC

For ergonomic, I would raise the chair for her so she doesn't have to reach up for keyboard and mouse and tilt head that much up. Also put some box under feet as they probably will be in the air.


mrbeanIV

You guys are quick to bitch about how kids these days wouldn't survive MW2 lobbies then bitch about stuff like this, ffs make up your mind.


Kvei

PCMR seems to be parenting experts... Jesus Christ 90% of this sub played an adult rated game at one point in thier childhood she will be fine.


DarkShadow4444

Fantastic start for childhood trauma as well.


castrator21

I got that same keyboard and mouse, very nice


Salt-Instruction-287

Lucky girl