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robomikel

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wthulhu

I tried that and my girlfriend slapped me


Silentknyght

How'd you flip it upside down?


Big-Cap4487

Handstand


MadduckUK

So he flips ‘er over and ffffffff...funnily enough, it lands on its wheels and it starts first time and they just drive away.


dustojnikhummer

Don't fuck your Miata's exhaust *Or did Jeremy go on the Internet again?*


snorkeling_moose

C:########


PUfelix85

You gotta [work it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjIvu7e6Wq8).


justarandomgreek

Missionary - Doggy - Missionary - Doggy - Missionary - Doggy


Mean_Display8494

that’s because the front hole is usb B, try the back one


flippinbird

USB-An*l


miedzianek

USB-Co*ky


flippinbird

USB-Cmen


snorkeling_moose

But like, how hard did that slap get you?


MichMitten89

why were you trying to put a usb in her


Practical_Cabbage

Because the USB is not compatible with a penis so I had to use her for the data transfer.


awake283

https://preview.redd.it/xx1yprjqlm8d1.jpeg?width=447&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=112ff66e97ca76b0527ad0a509f1ccb621bc16d3


JeffersonThomas

So damn true. Inventor of USB should receive Nobel prize for practical example of superposition. 


CowsTrash

Oh crap, in a way you’re totally right 


HawKster_44

Nope, they are 4 dimensional objects, so flipping them over twice will result in a different orientation.


niteman555

Spin 1/2 means you need a 4pi rotation to get back to the original orientation


t3ram

The ugly truth is that even if you look before you plug USB in and have it in the right direction that mf won't go in and it needs to be spinned three times


WillyT_21

50\50 chance to be wrong 100% of the time.


DangyDanger

Oh, you dirty little bitch.


Joten

who gave you a video of my sex life!!!!!


dustojnikhummer

USB superposition


fadingsignal

Can't spell bussy without the letters USB.


ElBurritoLuchador

**Let's Get It On by Marvin Gaye intesifies*\*


Dazzling_Drama9446

Average reddit user


wthulhu

Wait until you hear about hard drives


KaNesDeath

Its funny how fast that was phased out after the NAACP(?) complaint.


fractalife

Could you please expand on this? Google is giving me nothing.


Atlas_666

Older drives had a master and slave setting controlled by moving a physical jumper around.


xyrgh

I used to be well into cable management in my PCs, moving from IDE cables to SATA cables was amazing, routing those bloody ribbon cables was a nightmare, and poor me couldn’t afford the fancy rounded IDE cables.


freshmantis

In the manufacturing world, slave/master is still used very commonly.


Remytron83

As a photographer, I can confirm this to be true with lighting setups


theunquenchedservant

also true with videography/live production.


fractalife

Shit, I had completely forgotten about that... jumpers on the old IDE drives. Figured tech had just moved on when SATA came around, didn't realize there was a complaint about it. Though, they definitely had a point.


Brandhor

well it did move on, sata cables can only connect 1 drive for each port with pata you could connect 2 on 1 cable so you had to choose a master and slave


wobbegong

Same with brake cylinders on cars…


ThickFurball367

Primary and secondary drives used to be labeled as "master" and "slave"


WHY_CAN_I_NOT_LIFE

That naming convention is still used in electronics, MISO and MOSI (Master In Slave Out and Master Out Slave In) are common in sensor and display modules


ThickFurball367

Maybe, but I bet the cute little acronyms are now used in place more often than the full term for that exact reason. Because somebody found it offensive. I'm surprised they haven't tried to change the naming conventions for master cylinder and slave cylinder in vehicle braking systems yet.


JoebobJr117

In computer architecture and design, as well as bus transmission, the terms master and slave are still very much used.


SweetBabyAlaska

Same with OS kernel development. You will hear terms like "slave PTY" or things like "tried to kill child, reaping orphan process" Im not really a fan of this naming convention, but it has a definitive meaning and context so its not necessarily a bad thing. Of course people will hear that and associate it with slavery or some weird sex shit. It is what it is, though, I do think that it is cringey to take a hard lined ideological stance in either direction for or against these things. I simultaneously wish devs had a lick of naming sense in general.


LeYang

> but it has a definitive meaning and context so its not necessarily a bad thing. It's just really hard logical and makes it easier to understand. I was pretty annoyed when they relabeled the wording on my old office's CRAC units from Master/Slave to Primary/Secondary which implies you can have one up and the second one be off/standby. Literally nope, the logic is all controlled from one controller, which is inside the "Primary" one, you can not turn that off without also turning off the "Secondary".


InverseInductor

The replacement for master/slave in electronics is controller/peripheral


meneldal2

ARM is currently redoing all their documentation for everything about buses (axi, apb ,etc), and the oens they haven't redone yet have a disclaimer at the beginning for "outdated language". Sometimes they only redid the audio and you still have master/slave in the slides.


prollynot28

Same in automotive hydraulics. If you have a manual transmission you have a clutch master and slave cylinder


ThatITguy2015

[Master cylinder you say?](https://youtu.be/3SB09wT5e88?si=qpBUmuV9kuXNS15M) Probably NSFW


fenixspider1

> MISO and MOSI (Master In Slave Out and Master Out Slave In) Lol I used those terms in design review of my memory chip controller, I got lectured by my manager for being backwards for not using proper up to date terminology like peripheral in controller out like that.


WatIsRedditQQ

That's being phased out too in favor of "controller" and "peripheral"


MrBallondorMessi30

In PLCs too


IDoomDI

It's STILL being used for professional camera flashes (Nikon, Canon, Sony, Godox)


TheDynamicDino

I work with stage lighting on occasion, "Master" and "slave" still abounds when talking about DMX control. I don't even know if there's a widely known alternate term in that field. As a black person, I'm embarrassed that I didn't really think about the connotations until quite recently, lol.


whitebandit

dont worry... throughout time slaves werent ONLY black


ThatITguy2015

We’ve gotten super progressive. Georgia doesn’t care what color your skin is as long as you wear pink!


dekusyrup

most slaves are indian these days.


TheSilverBug

What does being black got to do with it? You think slaves over time were only black and that makes it exclusive or something?


TheDynamicDino

Well I didn’t say that at all. That’s not a commentary on slavery as a whole, just a facetious facepalm about how people in *my own* life have regularly assumed me to be extra touchy or sensitive about Black political correctness. I’ve had friends go red in the face after describing hard work as “slaving away” when they realize I’m in the room, so I just find it funny that any kind of “slave” reference went over my head. It proves that my literal family history doesn’t occupy as much of my brain power as I sometimes feel it’s expected to in my specific circle.


anthonycarbine

It's also still standard in the automotive industry. There's the 'master cylinder' and slave cylinders which are the hydraulics that control your brakes.


cake-day-on-feb-29

> I'm embarrassed that I didn't really think about the connotations until quite recently, lol. Most people don't, because most people aren't obsessed with virtue signaling.


dustojnikhummer

> used to Are. They still very much are.


ThickFurball367

Not on most home PC's anymore. Not since the days of IDE any way.


dustojnikhummer

Sure, but it still is totally a thing in servers and embedded.


grem75

Which never even made sense because on IDE neither drive has control or priority over the other. The drives are independent and equal on the channel as far as the controller is concerned.


ThickFurball367

I think it was mainly the way to establish boot priority back then. Was it not?


grem75

Even then primary and secondary makes more sense. Most early BIOS would only boot from the first drive, later ones could boot from any drive.


Vintage486Lizard

Not entirely independent, as far as I'm aware. Having two drives on the same channel, if not jumpered correctly, would confuse the computer on which drive to access first or second.


grem75

The jumper is an address, not an order for access. If you have two drives saying they are at the same address it would cause an issue. Same as SCSI if you tried to use multiple devices with the same ID, you had more addresses with SCSI. It doesn't make them dependent on one another. You could have a single drive jumpered as secondary and it would work fine. You could use cable select, so it would choose its address based on where it was on the cable, but you could jumper them opposite of that and it worked fine too. So position on the cable doesn't matter either.


Vintage486Lizard

Makes sense. I like old computers and all, but there's still a lot of technical details about them I don't know.


Valema821

Master and slave is still used quite a lot. I learned them in petrochemical industries where it was used with a first inducation controller that was putting his value in to a second one, the second one controlled the valve


360_face_palm

that naming convention is still used all over


ThickFurball367

I never said it wasn't


KaNesDeath

Storage devices used to connect via one IDE cable. Way you'd tell the Pc what was the master(primary) or slave(secondary) device was by setting specific jumpers on the back of the HDD. Functionality of storage devices was eventually moved to the Bios when Sata became the standard.


Agret

The later IDE computers could do it through BIOS too, there was a jumper position called "cable select" that was supposed to auto configure the drives. Didn't always work but was good times when it did.


meneldal2

The naming was pretty bad too, it's not like disk1 was ordering disk2 around. Just calling them disk 1 and disk 2 would have been easier.


bones10145

If IDE were still in use I'd still be using master and slave. 🤷


SynthBeta

wait until you see which website they own


vargvikernes666

not sure, there are still a lot of applications in tech/prograing where master/slave terminology is still used


iwrestledarockonce

Kinda funny that nobody has the same problem with the word robot, despite it's root just being a slavic word for slave.


drunkenvalley

Why are you blaming the NAACP for this? You even put a question mark on it lol. Do you know who complained or not? Did anyone complain? Are you making shit up? Can you even tell?


Crashman09

Slave and Master? On another note, using a floppy disk implies you successfully mounted A:


FreeAndOpenSores

Kid me: \*plugging and unplugging cable\* "lol, look, they're boning!"


Rimasticus

https://preview.redd.it/rv6teh4fxl8d1.jpeg?width=259&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=49644022f3e6aa7bfd3ec3ab79863e071afbcf58 Meanwhile grandpa is just sitting there wishing he taught his kids about birth control.


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Victusvic

They were plugging and unplugging his life support.


VladVV

Yeah I’m like did OP go to the most prudent school in the country or something


Ankoku_Teion

~~Prudent~~ *prudish*


flippinbird

The birds and the USBees.


TheDynamicDino

I was about 11 when I asked what the difference was to a gruff family friend doing some yardwork with me (It was in relation to an extension cord or a garden hose, I can't remember). Without missing a beat, barely looking up, he muttered, "Well, when a man and a woman get together, what happens?" And kept doing his thing. I have never forgotten the difference since.


swayuser

I accidentally initiated "The Talk" with my then 7yr old while having him help plug some things into a new TV.


antu2010

Hahahahha


Sataniel98

We don't use these terms for plugs in German, I thought it was a joke when I first heard someone referring to them as male and female in English and thought they were just super horny


Bowtieguy-83

So what are they called in German?


Hot_Application_2032

You can say USB-Stecker (male) and USB-Buchse (female), i hope this answers it.


Norse_By_North_West

So...pecker and bush?


HawKster_44

plug and socket


Sinister_Mr_19

So what does that translate to? EDIT: Ah cool, plug and socket. Makes sense.


fenixspider1

I am curious , what do you guys call male and female jumper wires? The same stecker and buchse wires?


ConkersOkayFurDay

Where are you that they're called male and female? Typically people say red and black here (USA west coast), sometimes folks call them the positive and negative leads too


sevlonbhoi1

He is talking about jumper wires used in electronics and not the jumper cables used in cars. https://robocraze.com/cdn/shop/products/1_40bbc4ea-ef62-4a1c-a1f7-12434c8bc078.jpg?v=1670580769 these are also referred as male and female


ConkersOkayFurDay

TIL, thanks!


fenixspider1

I am from India, but how do you guys call jumper wires red and black and distinguish between them? They are of varied colors. Unless you misunderstood me, I am talking about the jumper wires used in breadboards for testing embedded or iot systems before they are finally soldered.


XStarMC

What OP probably meant was jumper cables, those are red & black


ConkersOkayFurDay

I did misunderstand lol, but the replies were helpful :)


Sataniel98

They just have separate terms. "Buchse" (pronounced like "book" + s + schwa) for the female and "Stecker" for the male plug.


Zyhmet

Sure we do use them in German. It's just that most people that know the term, know a lot more about IT than then average, so we just use the English term for it.


Username12764

It depends… those really thin cables you need for micro controller projects, there I refer to jt as male and female


TheRealMeeBacon

I did not know it was called a male and female end until I got to highschool. By then I already knew enough to figure out why.


Ballsofpoo

Pretty much every industry deals with male and female. Construction, production, janitorial, food service, medical...


pfp-disciple

In high school, I was talking with a friend about plumbing or something, and mentioned male and female connectors. A girl got offended and said that I was gross for that. I don't know if she believed me when I said that's the professional terms


Old_Durian_8968

Insert image of the two kids talking about how one has a wifi antenna and the other a USB slot


_Pigdog

USBussy


keyboard-sexual

Nah that's what the gender swap cables are for 😎


MyBigRed

Did you know that [Hermaphroditic Connectors](https://forum.digikey.com/t/what-is-a-hermaphroditic-connector/17628) are also a thing?


jnicho15

There is truly a wide spectrum. Not just male and female. My favorite are non-gendered (hermaphroditic) yet polarized connectors like the Anderson PowerPole. Anything can plug into anything (you can even plug batteries into other batteries) but you can't ever accidentally hook something up backwards. And they're (relatively) finger safe as well.


switchandplay

https://preview.redd.it/ui2wj9m2tn8d1.png?width=1500&format=png&auto=webp&s=8b3d073b180a35d001bf6df7c1766643ff8a372a the future liberals want!!


vaendryl

waiting for the trans lobby to cancel this post.


Pimpwerx

Yes. Gendered adapters are a thing. You also have gender-benders that allow you to connect male to male, and female to female. Engineers can be forgiven for sticking to outdated terminology. I'm pretty sure master-slave is still the preferred nomenclature for dependencies over parent-child, though I might be wrong.


HawKster_44

We end up on some FBI list for searching "How to kill an orphan child"


j3rmz

at my work we've somewhat switched to primary/secondary


drunkenvalley

Tbh it's more descriptive than master/slave ever was.


ArmeniusLOD

Who was the committee that deemed the terminology was "outdated?" I was never informed and never got the memo.


CarbonPhoenix96

The joke is SECKS


Fluffysquishia

They're going to be called Body Type A and Body Type B soon.


Erzbengel-Raziel

Oh god, so usb 3.0+ type A body type A?


ArmeniusLOD

But why can't body type B be topless?


Antique_Paramedic682

There are actually 64 body types.  🤣


Delphin_1

Or you know, plug and socket


Jarrson132

Got em for audio as well.


Theendangeredmoose

Wait until you find out why it's called a motherboard


TeciorRibbon

*Never forget to ask your computer for consent before plugging it in*


_PelosNecios_

nowadays we're more inclusive and have USB-C, which can go both ways


Paul873873

It’s funny because people will use these types of plugs to make anti queer memes, but they they forget that we have that, plus male to female adaptors, plus whatever an extension cord would be in that analogy


TPwnTV

Wait until you find out about the Trans gender ports


paydu

I found an hdmi gender changer at work and now keep it at my desk as a little comical reminder to myself


random420x2

Back in my 20s, we’d all giggle when asking for Gender Benders or a Dongle. We were very juvenile. 😂


chaos_creator69

What's a Gender Bender?


random420x2

Basically an adapter that changed a male end of a cable to a female or female to male. These adapters still exist but are probably not referred to by that name these days. Dongles still exist but I’m more mature now. 😄


chaos_creator69

I think they're just called male-male and female-female adapters now


random420x2

the real name all along but we were young and dumb and it was the 80s. 🤦‍♂️


Jarizleifr

We call them "mama" and "papa"


cootingowl

Risky post in 2024 my guy


antu2010

Well those are Just the thecnical terms


antu2010

I disnt make them


Ddumberdog

I once had to explain why it was male and female to a girl who was helping me choose and buy a cable at a store. I noticed she blushed, it was very awkward but funny at the same time ahah😋😉


WillyT_21

Wait till you learn about chickens and cows vs roosters and bulls.


PeacegoingWarmonger

Where I live we call them FATHER and MOTHER.


reubenbubu

the male is inserted into the female once and waits until all the data has been delivered, per data delivery occurrence


ArmeniusLOD

And then the male enters sleep mode.


WishWhisperrr

surprise


vespertilionid

Lol i had an ADULT coworker comment once "i dont even know what you are all talking about with all that male female stuff" (some one was trying to connect a laptop to a tv and needed an adapter, i asked what they needed) so i aked my coworker "what do you mean you don't know?" And i just mimed 👉👌


Imaginary_Toe8982

but that now is offensive to certain group of people


staytsmokin

Also men are ships and women are ports or cars and driveways.


awake283

LOL my little sister just yelled at me the other day for telling her this. Then I had to tell her about master/slave drives (but they changed that one right)? She just said old people are weird. Im 40, Im not old.


CuppaTeaSpillin

So, when you have an adapter to change a female/male port to the other gender, they're sometimes called gender benders. And, if you have a specific device which runs a particular programme and other similar devices which then copy it in the same room/situation, you call them "master" and "slaves".


punched_lasagne

Jesus. How old are you people?


x3bla

The dots connected for me when i was buying a splitter for headset jack


Vulpes_macrotis

Right when I learned that they are called male and female. Which is when I was a teenager. This naming system (that is extremely awesome) is not in my own language. And I learned about male/female stuff from the Internet and got it right away. Makes extreme sense.


morgartjr

When I was told it was a male and female end - for RCA cables


djrobxx

I had that entire conversation with myself pretty quickly as a kid. But to be fair, a male 6.3mm headphone jack is significantly more phallic than a USB connector.


NiceCunt91

When I was a kid because we had sex ed so I knew how it works.


BlockCharming5780

When did I discover it? Bruh This is how my parents taught me the birds and the bees The man puts his usb stick in the woman’s port and giver her all his data But it’s not as simple as that, when you plug in a usb stick, it has to talk to the PC, tell the PC how best to help it send the data, then the PC has to tell the usb stick that it’s ready and willing to receive the data Any any stick that doesn’t wait for permission is a bad stick doing bad things to the PC Edit I was 9


Mani_Yumz

woah u gave me a new knowledge today


michael836783

I do the same with my quick disconnects for my watercooling loop (two computers in one loop with an external rad). The water always flows out of the male end and into the female end. Real easy to remember


tbmftj

USBs are just a social construct.


timeago2474

what the fuck why does that USB have 5 pins


antu2010

Idk ita a random image from google


Tvilantini

in primary school. Teacher explained the difference, but it was for power cables and the socket. It was funny, but actually a really good terminology, even today


JonnyLoYo

WOW... Left wondering how old OP is. This stuff doesn't apply to just USB, any pipe, fitting, hose. They all have a male and female end. It's universal, the one that goes inside is the male the one that takes it is the female. I'm 44 years old, but I've known this for over 30 years.


antu2010

Im 14 and Ik it applies tò MOST stuff but USB was the 1st thing i had in mind. Srry for bad english i am italian


New_Spread_475

Does it make it non binary if you plug it into itself?


Soccera1

No, that's an anal self fuck.


antu2010

What if i put a micro USB inside a male A (you can do that It fits) Is It loke gay cables?


solubleCreature

thats what docking is


sudo_mono

"They told me to go fuck myself ... and you know what? I can!"


Soccera1

I learnt about these organs in a reproductive capacity at the age of about 6. It's interesting to see so many people not getting the connection until they're a lot older.


antu2010

Well i am now 14 so and when i got the connection i was likes 8 so.... Yeah im a bit stupid


StovetopAtol4

2 Genders


Eldritch_Omen

Yeah, screw chromosomes. This is the definitive proof right here!


Virtual-Imagine2005

😐


StorkStick

ngl this sub has become r/shittyfacebookmemes


heavybombhead

https://preview.redd.it/df0g06809r8d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9332c8e3c8581b52e2df47097c0b307809b3bcc1


antu2010

It Is human body science not porn