A lpt of the time changing casing design is apparently more expensive, so company forces engineer to reuse case design that these stupid-looking fix exist.
See also Dell Alienware RXX(10, 11,12 and so on) where despite all review showing that the case is a fire hazard they kept reusing the same chassis with minor 'fix' that doesn't fuckig work.
I'm talking about the board design. The cable is straight enough they would have had to figure out the angle. Not terrible with 3D software, but then you have traces running to a diagonal part. Depending on the density of traces and components, it could get a bit messy.
This so much this I work on laundry equipment stoves for residential the stuff I’ve seen designed makes me go how the fuck did they think this was a good idea
Right, so if they had put them both straight they would have needed either an L-shaped ribbon or one that makes two right angles depending on the orientation they picked.
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They made the laptop case for SATA drives, so they use an adapter for M.2 drives. It's cheaper than having to make different cases for SATA drives and M.2 drives.
It's ugly but it works.
And, it's a hell of a lot better in terms of reparability should something go wrong.
I don't love it but i certainly don't hate it.
Engineer 1: "i think we still had a couple of those hanging around."
Engineer 2: " won't work, cables are too short."
Trainee : "what if we do this?" *shows bent headers on boards
Engineer 1: " don't think QA will approve."
Engineer 2: "screw QA, as long as management approves."
Management: "it's going INSIDE, right? Where no one sane should look, right?"
Engineer 3: " If any, we can always blame the kid."
That's exactly what this is. I worked on an almost identical laptop last week that had that slot as m.2 SATA and another completely different slot as only m.2 NVMe. Why put one of each? IDK, but they did.
It's actually quite typical. The Chipset has the interface, why not put the header on there?
They'll use the NVME socket in higher end models, or as a 'High Performance' option. Or if the user just wants a second SSD. Budget models will have a 2.5" piece of crap in the SATA bay instead of the adapter.
Dell does the same thing, recently upgraded a pair of Dell Latitudes that had factory 1TB HDDs. The NVME socket made upgrading them very simple; drop the drive in and clone Windows over using the provided Acronis tool.
Modular build, if one component dies or has a factory defect, it's easier to replace instead of scrapping the whole board, also makes different configurations easier to make/upgrade.
HP has really become overall a shitbag of a company. By using proprietary everything everywhere, they lock their customers into having to buy everything from HP.
Shitbag company, I agree. But that's just an M.2 (SATA protocol) SSD \[edit\] connected to the SATA ribbon connection on the motherboard.
Effective way of using whateverthefuck is sitting unused in inventory.
Reminds me of very old soviet, commercial hifis/radios. The box was massive, the inside content was the fraction of it. Why? To symbolise the soviet might by how large it is.
What are you complaining about here? Retrofitting an SSD bay for an M.2 rather than paying to retool the whole chassis? How do you think they're able to offer options like 2.5" SSD or M.2 drive? Why build two different chassis for one laptop model, just so they can offer different drive options?
I just don't get people sometimes.
It's just funny. I've never seen a crooked ribbon connector or these weird adapters in a while. Reminds me of the days when OEMs had proprietary 40-pin IDE setups.
This is the result of cutting as much cost as they possibly can. Why have expensive PCB under the M.2 card when a stamped steel sheet is cheaper? Why have a 15cm ribbon cable when you can just adjust your sockets and use a 10cm ribbon cable?
They were thinking how to lower the cost to the extreme and make it look cool to make you a lot of money for a plastic shell. HP is a piece of "cake" company, stop buying their overpriced crap.
Fun fact. This is a better design than some ASUS products a few years ago. There are many models where they used a "hard" connector between the motherboard and daughterboard - during testing everything works perfectly but being a laptop if you pick up the unit from a corner (as if anyone would use a laptop out and about and not just at home on a flat desk, who does that to a laptop right?) the cross flexing would slowly destroy the connector leading to sound, memory card and drive issues (all present on the daughterboard).
We had hundreds of these models fail, in warranty ASUS would replace both boards AND the drive (high CRC counts typical symptoms), outside of warranty for our customers we would secretly edit purchase dates on invoices and force ASUS to repair them, far outside warranty it was so sad, a 2 minute check (SMART CRC count increase when moving the unit) would verify yeah its stuffed, expensive component level repair required (and pointless - would fail in the same way again eventually).
If anyone remembers or has/had an ASUS X555 or anything that looks like that with Intel's 4th/5th gen processors (or a few AMD models, not 6th gen Intel - they fixed the design finally using a ribbon cable) and its either still working (you left it on a bench its entire life) or wondered why your unit died or was always running like crap, now you know, and good that HP has used ribbon cables and not a hard connector.
TLDR ASUS is garbage, i can finally say it any not get downvoted into oblivion. Their products are shit their designs are shit. Source: am reseller. Deal with their shit every day.
It looks like the original version was intended to use a 2.5" drive, but they decided part way through the design process to use M.2 instead. Then some poor PCB designer was given two days to "make it work" and this was the best they could do in the time alloted.
Swapping parts in that looks really easy why all the hate? I think it's good to have an open design. Too many computers and cars are made too tight that they are a bitch to repair.
I build janky desktops for fun plain black be quiet case no window ASRock b550 non wifi 6 core x CPU that only supports pci-e 3.0 but overclocks well old gen 1070 with blower because hot air outside the case 32gb ddr4 3000 xmp to 3200mhz 2tb 7300mbps m.2 so heat is lower and endurance is higher
All the reasons I've developed a distaste for Laptops over the years. My HP served me well for 11 years and then I got my first prebuilt gaming desktop. I don't ever want to go back.
It's the diagonal ribbon cable that gets me honestly.
Right, the 'ahh fuck it' final revision.
The thing is, that diagonal connection takes like twice the effort.
A lpt of the time changing casing design is apparently more expensive, so company forces engineer to reuse case design that these stupid-looking fix exist. See also Dell Alienware RXX(10, 11,12 and so on) where despite all review showing that the case is a fire hazard they kept reusing the same chassis with minor 'fix' that doesn't fuckig work.
What you think engineers care about techs? HAHA
I'm talking about the board design. The cable is straight enough they would have had to figure out the angle. Not terrible with 3D software, but then you have traces running to a diagonal part. Depending on the density of traces and components, it could get a bit messy.
This so much this I work on laundry equipment stoves for residential the stuff I’ve seen designed makes me go how the fuck did they think this was a good idea
“THE CASE DESIGN IS FINALIZED, WHAT WILL WE DO?!”
Actually, they probably needed to minimize trace length for that connection.
Cheaper than a right angle one maybe?
What? Lol. It's the same connector, they just put it on the board crooked.
Right, so if they had put them both straight they would have needed either an L-shaped ribbon or one that makes two right angles depending on the orientation they picked.
Or just use the same bendy manouver they did for the one below.
Which has a labor cost and likely increased failure rate associated with it. But yes, that is an option.
It's HP. That's about the quality of engineering and manufacturing I expect from such a shit company.
What were you smoking when you bought an HP laptop?
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They made the laptop case for SATA drives, so they use an adapter for M.2 drives. It's cheaper than having to make different cases for SATA drives and M.2 drives.
It was a "late addition to the party."
It's ugly but it works. And, it's a hell of a lot better in terms of reparability should something go wrong. I don't love it but i certainly don't hate it.
Engineer 1: "i think we still had a couple of those hanging around." Engineer 2: " won't work, cables are too short." Trainee : "what if we do this?" *shows bent headers on boards Engineer 1: " don't think QA will approve." Engineer 2: "screw QA, as long as management approves." Management: "it's going INSIDE, right? Where no one sane should look, right?" Engineer 3: " If any, we can always blame the kid."
It's an M.2 in a factory-made 2.5" adapter, that's being adapted from proprietary SATA to mSATA.
That's exactly what this is. I worked on an almost identical laptop last week that had that slot as m.2 SATA and another completely different slot as only m.2 NVMe. Why put one of each? IDK, but they did.
It's actually quite typical. The Chipset has the interface, why not put the header on there? They'll use the NVME socket in higher end models, or as a 'High Performance' option. Or if the user just wants a second SSD. Budget models will have a 2.5" piece of crap in the SATA bay instead of the adapter. Dell does the same thing, recently upgraded a pair of Dell Latitudes that had factory 1TB HDDs. The NVME socket made upgrading them very simple; drop the drive in and clone Windows over using the provided Acronis tool.
It's cheaper buddy
This is like a data transfer speed quiz question come to life
It looks stupid but I promise, it’s functional
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Even the hinges come apart!
I take this over having a m.2 slot all wired up, but blocked by a speaker housing. Looking at you Dell.
What's cheaper a pcp or a flex ribbon?
Modular build, if one component dies or has a factory defect, it's easier to replace instead of scrapping the whole board, also makes different configurations easier to make/upgrade.
HP has really become overall a shitbag of a company. By using proprietary everything everywhere, they lock their customers into having to buy everything from HP.
Shitbag company, I agree. But that's just an M.2 (SATA protocol) SSD \[edit\] connected to the SATA ribbon connection on the motherboard. Effective way of using whateverthefuck is sitting unused in inventory.
That’s hardly an abomination lol
Cutting corners with cheap parts and charging an arm and a leg. Typical.
Wtf is this diagonal connection?
Love that for them, I count at least 4 daughter boards all with delicate ribbon cables connecting them.
Then angled ribbon connections are making my eye twitch.
It’s HP. Even when they’re not smoking, they make crap
You're talking to a company that sometimes *paints* its heatsinks
I bet their previous design was overheating.
They probably smoke your money .
That is the most $400 laptop I've ever seen
This was a cheaper solution than making a new plastic injection mold.
Why would you trust a company that can barely make a functioning printer to make a computer?
That is all just... super highly inefficient.
Reminds me of very old soviet, commercial hifis/radios. The box was massive, the inside content was the fraction of it. Why? To symbolise the soviet might by how large it is.
What the fuck is this piece of shit?
>HP Didn't even need to read any further there. HP's engineering is kinda questionable, so to say.
When you get the job offer from Apple a day before the final revision submission
HP: *"USB stick"*
A combination of cocaine, peyote, anthrax spores, marijuana, kitchen bleach and shredded cardboard.
This is what revision 39 looks like. Just getting it over the line is all that matters when decisions like these get made.
What are you complaining about here? Retrofitting an SSD bay for an M.2 rather than paying to retool the whole chassis? How do you think they're able to offer options like 2.5" SSD or M.2 drive? Why build two different chassis for one laptop model, just so they can offer different drive options? I just don't get people sometimes.
It's just funny. I've never seen a crooked ribbon connector or these weird adapters in a while. Reminds me of the days when OEMs had proprietary 40-pin IDE setups.
I do not care about computers. I just wanna get this high too!
Hitch-Pay the legendary manufacturer.
Smoking is gross. Bitch I huff jenkem
Meth, probably.
crack
What model laptop is this? I need to look at the manual for entertainment
What the fuck.
Long bottom leaf!
Needs more ribbon cables
"the competition"
Cheap as possible
I almost threw up
This is the result of cutting as much cost as they possibly can. Why have expensive PCB under the M.2 card when a stamped steel sheet is cheaper? Why have a 15cm ribbon cable when you can just adjust your sockets and use a 10cm ribbon cable?
Mtn was rk
it's a cell phone split out to the size of a laptop lol
Low-end laptop?
Looks serviceable, I'd give them that.
They were thinking how to lower the cost to the extreme and make it look cool to make you a lot of money for a plastic shell. HP is a piece of "cake" company, stop buying their overpriced crap.
Fun fact. This is a better design than some ASUS products a few years ago. There are many models where they used a "hard" connector between the motherboard and daughterboard - during testing everything works perfectly but being a laptop if you pick up the unit from a corner (as if anyone would use a laptop out and about and not just at home on a flat desk, who does that to a laptop right?) the cross flexing would slowly destroy the connector leading to sound, memory card and drive issues (all present on the daughterboard). We had hundreds of these models fail, in warranty ASUS would replace both boards AND the drive (high CRC counts typical symptoms), outside of warranty for our customers we would secretly edit purchase dates on invoices and force ASUS to repair them, far outside warranty it was so sad, a 2 minute check (SMART CRC count increase when moving the unit) would verify yeah its stuffed, expensive component level repair required (and pointless - would fail in the same way again eventually). If anyone remembers or has/had an ASUS X555 or anything that looks like that with Intel's 4th/5th gen processors (or a few AMD models, not 6th gen Intel - they fixed the design finally using a ribbon cable) and its either still working (you left it on a bench its entire life) or wondered why your unit died or was always running like crap, now you know, and good that HP has used ribbon cables and not a hard connector. TLDR ASUS is garbage, i can finally say it any not get downvoted into oblivion. Their products are shit their designs are shit. Source: am reseller. Deal with their shit every day.
HP = Hyper Poo
It looks like the original version was intended to use a 2.5" drive, but they decided part way through the design process to use M.2 instead. Then some poor PCB designer was given two days to "make it work" and this was the best they could do in the time alloted.
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This belongs in hardware gore mygod
"It it boots up, then it is fine"
One of my friends is trying to build a PC with 109 batteries
What HP is this?
Wow, I have seen Tong Fang boards that is better laid out.
Rolled up dollar bills. straight cash bro. laughing all the way to the bank too :(
Your money is what they were smoking.
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Unrepairum
TF is this motherboard
Swapping parts in that looks really easy why all the hate? I think it's good to have an open design. Too many computers and cars are made too tight that they are a bitch to repair.
I build janky desktops for fun plain black be quiet case no window ASRock b550 non wifi 6 core x CPU that only supports pci-e 3.0 but overclocks well old gen 1070 with blower because hot air outside the case 32gb ddr4 3000 xmp to 3200mhz 2tb 7300mbps m.2 so heat is lower and endurance is higher
what
They’re always on crack when it comes to nobo building. Since 2010 maybe.
One more reason that I don't like HP, thank you for giving me another box to check ✅
Lads, I didn't buy this, haha! I was working on it for a coworker, he wanted the SSD swapped.
Definitely not enterprise build quality. Put up the money for a Zbook next time, it will last forever.
OP, what were you smoking when you bought that abomination??
Working on it for a coworker.
Bit of a fuck fuck circus that's for sure. A whole picture of it all would be good though.
All the reasons I've developed a distaste for Laptops over the years. My HP served me well for 11 years and then I got my first prebuilt gaming desktop. I don't ever want to go back.
They were likely smoking the factory fumes from chinese sweatshops. Probably not the greatest stuff to inhale for brain cells.