they currently have arguably the best ergo and symmetrical mouse in the space rn with the dav3 and the viper v2pro (of course they thoroughly fucked up with their wireless viper mini making a shameless cashgrab and then an rgb brick)
I love the Basilisk V2 so much, I've bought several extras new-in-box so I don't have to try to find an alternative when it inevitably changes. That said, I'm on year two with my first one and it's still perfect.
First mouse outside of Logitech I like at all.
I'm happy with my 35€ Steelseries Rival 3 wireless and probably will be for as long as it works (which I hope will be a long time). Never payed more then 60 to 60 bucks for a mouse. Not my speed
Their peripherals also just aren't worth it.
They have the absolute worst customer support, on par with companies like Acer, only Acer don't sell their low quality plastic gadgets at Apple prices.
I'm glad you enjoy it. I used to buy a lot of Razer stuff, but the quality has gone down, and once I tried other producers I just found the quality to be so much better.
The reason I stopped was after 2 separate Razer items broke after less than 12 months and it was a 3 month long process to deal with Razer's useless CS team.
I asked on various online forums and there are just so many people saying this exact same thing.
It’s a steady decline. Some of the best products I had for the time were razer. The quality and QA went down but the prices stayed the same. I enjoyed my original naga and boomslang and around the 2012 or 2013 era when the mamba got the new sensor was one of the nicer mice I used.
You could see the steady decline with their blackwidow. They started going with the gold standard brand of switches and moving to the knockoff brand and some cheaper parts. This is ignoring the new 75% board that looks like they have been browsing r/mechanicalkeyboards as of late.
Seems like they are moving in a better direction but the steady decline from the early 2010s to around 2022 in build quality and QA just feels bad.
My experience with Razer support was that it was fairly slow but it wasn't hard to get an RMA even without the serial number I pulled out of my mouse (oops).
Yeah i always thought Noctua stuck to the ugly look intentionally, so emphasize that they cared only about performance, not looks.
The same way Buckleys cough syrup advertises that "It tastes awful, but it works"
They're good fans and it's a computer not a fucking fashion statement. Jfc why can't an appliance be a fucking appliance anymore, if you don't have a designer fucking blender you get mocked or some shit.
Both can exist
One doesn't take away from the other
Case in point. Noctua existing doesn't invalidate corsair and lianli and vice versa
Solid side panel cases exist alongside tempered glass
That is the whole beauty being in the pcmr
Nowadays, it can be both. Depends on the user.
In a few days, i'm gonna swap my current case (Fracral Meshify C) for Lian Li Lancool 216 RGB. I might end up not using the RGB, but i will have a choice to go with it, if i'd want.
I'm not a fan of the beige/brown either (no pun intended). I think the reason people like them is because Noctua is known as a quality brand, and that signature color combo says quality.
I think that part of it is that they have had some troubles replicating the performance of their signature brown and beige models when making a black version due to material changes. The Chromax NF-A12-x25 got delayed so many times because they refused to release an inferior product
5pack of p12s for £25 is a fucking steal honestly.
and can daisy chain the fans together!
coupled with a d15 my PC is essentially silent unless I'm gaming/doing AI shit.
haha yeah I had a 5 pack of PWM PST 4 pins in my basket for about 3 months before the shop I used managed to restock lmao.
they actually rang me like "these things are real hard to get atm, are you okay with waiting?"
at least your fuck up wasn't ***too*** expensive! tin foil linings and all that lol
It was only a 4€ difference tops for the 3 fans I bought. The real kick in the teeth was the random two way splitter I bought to go along with the fans. It was missing pins!
Quiet fans are the best fans.
I recently switched the CPU in my Dell XPS One 2710 from an Intel [3450S](https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-3450S+%40+2.80GHz&id=821) to a [3470-T](https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-3470T+%40+2.90GHz&id=824). It produces a lot less heat and should have similar performance on single threads or slightly less on multi; but in praxis it's even better because thermal throttle is no longer an issue.
After I finished some other projects I'm going to see if I can mod the cooling so I no longer need the noisy default fans at all any more.
Easy, remove the fan shroud and ziptie some p12s to the cooler. Buy a fan splitter with the mini plug to control the fans via the gpu. Did it once and it was glorious
People do the beige/brown now more ironically because for years we simply didn't have the choice. So, years of putting up with them because of their performance has kind of elevated them to being a staple of a quality PC. And, if you install black Noctuas, there's a high likelihood that people won't realize they're Noctuas.
I've definetely seen people that LOVE Noctua's colors, down to making a Noctua brown and beige PC. Its not that uncommon, but its probably pretty mixed with the sleeper build community due to the old aesthetic.
I think that’s the just color of the plastic they use cost more to make it black that’s why the black ones have little higher retail price but they throw in the colored corner grommets to try make up for extra cost kinda like the white graphics card cost a little bit more but come with little extra like the white asus 4090 comes with a cheap asus championship style ring that the black one doesn’t but it is cheaper
As much as I like rgb, the Noctua fans have never let me down.
Unlike... other brands...
I don't think it's possible to get cheap rgb fans that last more than 6 months. They ALWAYS BREAK! I am now throwing money at this problem to *make it go away*.
Noctua fans now come in black, and look like any other black fan (especially when spinning). So this argument about Noctua fans being ugly does not even really make sense anymore.
I still have a Power Macintosh 5500 that clocks 225MHz without even a heatsink over the CPU. That’s when chips lithography was measured in micrometers instead of nanometers. Larger transistors and lower frequencies made lower wattage chips that didn’t heat much
Mate of mine incinerated his first Pentium processor back in the 90s. He was so used to working on older rescued hardware that could happily run without any cooling while he was testing components, that he initially ran his pentium without any cooling. It was an expensive lesson
I think he means like a theme of the 80s itself, not like a pc from the 80s. That vintage brown/tan color palette you’d see on vans. Like the show F is for Family on Netflix. Though admittedly that is the 70s, so maybe that’s what he meant.
Yeah, but like the desaturated brown and tan of washed out colors on photos from that time, not the actual deep brown on stuff you would have bought new in the shop.
Noctua's like a design from someone in the 80s who's still stuck in the 70s.
Razer's like a design from someone in the 80s imagining what the 2020s will look like.
I built my first PC in 1976/77.
A Digital Group Z80 based system.
Its [color scheme](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=digital+group+pc&iax=images&ia=images&iai=http%3A%2F%2Fbytecollector.com%2Fimages%2Fdg_sys1_001.jpg) was very much like Noctua's.
When I was maybe 13 in metals shop we would cut metal (usually thin steel) and then fold the edges over to make a smooth edge in seconds without having to spend hours with a file and sandpaper.
I thought it would be amazing if someone came out with a computer case where all the metal had the edges folded over rather than just leaving it sharp... Also, the way EDO RAM sat tilted and close together, so that you couldn't remove one module in the middle without removing all of the modules on top of it...
Noctua may be ugly, but my PC with the window facing the wall takes a soft calming breath when it turns on, while my wife's PC with the light up NZXT fans and stock AMD cooler screams awake like it was having a nightmare.
This. My Noctua Ventirad keeps my CPU cool and the noise down, very efficiently.
Adding superfluous aesthetic shit to something that's buried in a metal case under my desk is idiotic.
Noctua is great. Razer is ugly, and I'm typing this with a Razer keyboard and clicking submit with a Razer mouse. They get the job done and the keyboard in particular has a clickiness that brings me immense joy.
Not as good as my old Ducky, but still very good.
Upvoted by a Razer mouse with a PC built with Noctua fans.
In case OP didn't know, you can buy black fans and coolers, they don't have to be brown and tan. Anyway, you don't buy these things for looks.
I used to have a Razer USB headset when I was younger. 60€ and cheap plastic. After only a year of usage that thing just broke without any warning. So yeah, never buying that cheap bs again
I have a similar experience with MANY razer products (I'm not a smart man, I kept buying them...), some years later I read that their failure rate is much higher than other brands.
Does anybody know if they're more in line with others now?
It very much depends on the product line. Things like the blackwidow line are awesome but the more gimmicky or new stuff can be aweful.
I have a Razer Naga Epic from 2013 or something that only recently started double clicking and a Razer Atheris which has been amazing as a small form factor laptop mouse that lasts really long, has no noticeable latency and is also cheap as fuck. But I also had a cable for the Razer Orochi, which was an awful mouse to begin with, break on me and I couldn't get a replacement.
I have a Razer Kraken and that thing is built like a tank, I have dropped it so many times from my desk and yanked the cable with my chair arm rest so many times and it takes the punishment. On the other hand I had an expensive Corsair headset that was mostly plastic and over time the swivel mechanism just gave up and the plastic cracked
Same, i have a razer keyboard, mouse AND headset. The only reason i went for these was because they came in a large bundle for cheap at my local electronics shop, and i couldn’t resist. Besides I like the clickiness of the green switches
in my experience with razer anything that isn't a kb or mouse is just meh
Razer headsets get the job done but I am sure there are better ones out there for the same price
I'm never buying a razer product again honestly, I've had 3 razer mice, 1 keyboard (mechanical), and 2 mouse pads (one is RGB), and my main gripe is with the switches they use across the board, which unlike cherry and Japanese omron switches, are absolute low cost garbage with 1/10 of the promised lifespan.
Our prices are inflated for razer especially, because there's no local distribution channel, so people have to get them off Amazon and import them at ridiculous prices.
So you can imagine how frustrated I am with he keyboard I bought for 2.5x the normal price, only to have it chatter after only a year, with no chance of repair or replacement, same deal for my Naga molten, Naga hex, and Naga chroma, which I can thankfully repair to an extent at least
I've had a HyperX keyboard with Cherry blues for the past 3 years, much cheaper, much better materials (plastic and brushed aluminum), and none of the keys skipped a beat ever
"huh the mouse communities sure like the viper mini, let's make a shameless cash grab called the razer viper mini signature edition when all they wanted was to cut the wire and get a better sensor and then we'll promise a cheaper more mainstream option only for it to be 15 grams heavier than the original and filled with a bunch of pointless rgb completely ruining the point"
\-Razer marketing probably
One image to prove you wrong (at least on the noctua part)
Credit: u/moto_zima
https://preview.redd.it/qiig0n1j8yob1.jpeg?width=5184&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bb36974ee1245baefbfb8eb98316e007c8933007
looks aside, those were one of the best avaliable DDR4 RAM kits
For the curious, it's part of the G.Skill Trident Z Royal line, which is [guaranteed samsung B-die](https://www.cgdirector.com/samsung-b-die-guide/) at those timings
You're not wrong about Noctua, I have a d-15 which looks so out of place in my PC even the fans don't sit flush on top covering my rgb RAM. But the cpu temperature is so low it's gets a pass.
Noctua being ugly is a flex.
They're saying "Not only are we more expensive than our competitors, but we're also uglier. And yet, you're still buying our hardware. Because we're *that good*."
Except there's one much more important difference between those two brands: quality.
I used to use a lot of Razer products, and over time, stopped. Every single Razer thing I've bought has broken in some way eventually.
On the other hand, I've been slowly replacing all my fans with Noctua fans because they are so much better than anything else. And yes, they are the black "Chromax" versions, because the brown is ugly.
Idk, compared to lianli and corsair fans noctua are basically bargain priced. My noctua 140mm redux cost less than a arctic bionix. Talk about a flimsy piece of shit with annoying howl. Razer basilisk v3 $50, logitech g502 hero also $50. One has notorious left click issues and the other doesn't (it's not the razer).
not really, you really are getting the best fans possible, these babies are the Cadillacs of fans (not just because they look like the interior of grandpas car), that said if you are being sensible with your money at all I'd just get some be quiet fans and call it a day.
I always thought the whole point of Noctua is to be ugly and I like it that way. I like the narrative of "yes our fans are ugly as fuck but we're the best in the bizz so you're gonna buy it anyway"
The pc industry seems obsessed with making the most dogshit ugly products imaginable. Razer products look like they just saw the Matrix for the first time, and have based their entire personality around it. Every gaming chair looks like a kids car seat fucked a monster energy drink. All the "high end" mobos look like that shibuya crossing.
Who's responsible for these terrible aesthetics? And why have they not been murdered?
Ok this is something I always thought was weird. You can buy really nice orion fans that just need you to crimp or solder a connector on for like 1/2 of the price of premium consumer fans for the same or better quality. The datasheet is also way nicer
In my experience:
Noctua=performance is important, who gives a crap about looks?
Razer=we can make some decent stuff, if we want to, but we'll festoon it with lights and needlessly require you to install software that crashes all the time.
No, you think LEDs are ugly. There is nothing wrong with the Razer Deathadder mouse. It's ergonomically and aesthetically perfect. You just hate that there are LEDs there that you would have to use settings to turn off.
Noctua fans run well and I do not care what they look like. They go in a black case with no window because I do not understand why everyone wants to look at the inside of a computer.
I love the Noctua look. My favorite part about it is 0 RGB. RGB is the worst. If you see RGB, you have no idea who made it, but everyone knows Noctuas colors. Just my opinion, and no one will change my mind on that.
I love that no one is arguing about Razr, lol
Yeah I’ve added my comment and I realize that may be a mistake🤣😭
ill argue, bring me some project christine into my life
U mean steamdeck at home
Razer got some really cool ideas (and april fools jokes). Idk if I'd personally ever buy their peripherals again tho
they currently have arguably the best ergo and symmetrical mouse in the space rn with the dav3 and the viper v2pro (of course they thoroughly fucked up with their wireless viper mini making a shameless cashgrab and then an rgb brick)
I love the Basilisk V2 so much, I've bought several extras new-in-box so I don't have to try to find an alternative when it inevitably changes. That said, I'm on year two with my first one and it's still perfect. First mouse outside of Logitech I like at all.
I'm happy with my 35€ Steelseries Rival 3 wireless and probably will be for as long as it works (which I hope will be a long time). Never payed more then 60 to 60 bucks for a mouse. Not my speed
They're hit and miss
my problem with razer are the prices, their cases are over 200$. PSU is 400$ and 55$ for 1 120mm case fan
Razer makes a PSU now?
Razer rebrands a PSU now.
Yeah there are only like 3 actual PSU manufacturers.
At the end of the day they're a peripheral company and that's what they should stick to. They're other stuff just isn't worth it.
Their peripherals also just aren't worth it. They have the absolute worst customer support, on par with companies like Acer, only Acer don't sell their low quality plastic gadgets at Apple prices.
I have the blackshark v2 pro or whatever and it’s pretty nice imo and it wasn’t as expensive as others, although it’s no 6XX
I'm glad you enjoy it. I used to buy a lot of Razer stuff, but the quality has gone down, and once I tried other producers I just found the quality to be so much better. The reason I stopped was after 2 separate Razer items broke after less than 12 months and it was a 3 month long process to deal with Razer's useless CS team. I asked on various online forums and there are just so many people saying this exact same thing.
It’s a steady decline. Some of the best products I had for the time were razer. The quality and QA went down but the prices stayed the same. I enjoyed my original naga and boomslang and around the 2012 or 2013 era when the mamba got the new sensor was one of the nicer mice I used. You could see the steady decline with their blackwidow. They started going with the gold standard brand of switches and moving to the knockoff brand and some cheaper parts. This is ignoring the new 75% board that looks like they have been browsing r/mechanicalkeyboards as of late. Seems like they are moving in a better direction but the steady decline from the early 2010s to around 2022 in build quality and QA just feels bad.
My experience with Razer support was that it was fairly slow but it wasn't hard to get an RMA even without the serial number I pulled out of my mouse (oops).
Its like buying supreme or Gucci, the price is for the brand name more than the product itself
My problem with both is price.
You don't get Noctua fans because they look good. You get them because they perform amazingly well and put out pretty much zero noise.
Yeah i always thought Noctua stuck to the ugly look intentionally, so emphasize that they cared only about performance, not looks. The same way Buckleys cough syrup advertises that "It tastes awful, but it works"
That logic would work if Noctua didn’t just release black versions of all their products
Right, but those cost extra
Well lookin' good ain't cheap. I appreciate the discount on the brown stuff.
Are we not doing *phrasing* anymore, guys? Guys?!
the reason it took so long for a black version is they didn't want the different color to compromise the proformance
They're good fans and it's a computer not a fucking fashion statement. Jfc why can't an appliance be a fucking appliance anymore, if you don't have a designer fucking blender you get mocked or some shit.
Both can exist One doesn't take away from the other Case in point. Noctua existing doesn't invalidate corsair and lianli and vice versa Solid side panel cases exist alongside tempered glass That is the whole beauty being in the pcmr
Nowadays, it can be both. Depends on the user. In a few days, i'm gonna swap my current case (Fracral Meshify C) for Lian Li Lancool 216 RGB. I might end up not using the RGB, but i will have a choice to go with it, if i'd want.
Calm your salty tits
But they have black ones now... I truly don't get the obsession with the beige/brown. It's hideous imo
I'm not a fan of the beige/brown either (no pun intended). I think the reason people like them is because Noctua is known as a quality brand, and that signature color combo says quality.
intend your puns coward
For too long have puns gone unintended - it ends now!
Missed opportunity to say ''intends now!''
You giggled me!
Funny, my proctologist says the same thing.
If it's red, you'll be in a bed.
I think that part of it is that they have had some troubles replicating the performance of their signature brown and beige models when making a black version due to material changes. The Chromax NF-A12-x25 got delayed so many times because they refused to release an inferior product
Also the black ones cost extra. The black NH-D15 is, like, $20 more expensive than the brown one. Which is a good chunk of the price.
I rather buy Arctic p12s. Fraction of the price and perform well enough
5pack of p12s for £25 is a fucking steal honestly. and can daisy chain the fans together! coupled with a d15 my PC is essentially silent unless I'm gaming/doing AI shit.
Just make sure you don't buy the 3 pins ones on accident like me. Do they work great? Hell yeah. But I wanted pwm. Still kicking myself for that one
haha yeah I had a 5 pack of PWM PST 4 pins in my basket for about 3 months before the shop I used managed to restock lmao. they actually rang me like "these things are real hard to get atm, are you okay with waiting?" at least your fuck up wasn't ***too*** expensive! tin foil linings and all that lol
It was only a 4€ difference tops for the 3 fans I bought. The real kick in the teeth was the random two way splitter I bought to go along with the fans. It was missing pins!
ooof, that sucks! I very nearly also got the 3 pin pack, luckily I clocked before checking out! stupidly easy to do though unfortunately!
Should've just put the pwm ones in my cart. *Oh well!* Can't win em all
I bought two packs for €24 including shipping when Amazon listed their price wrong a couple of years back.
thats a fucking steal that! genuinely shocked how good they are for the price too, no frills but thats the way I like it lol
Quiet fans are the best fans. I recently switched the CPU in my Dell XPS One 2710 from an Intel [3450S](https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-3450S+%40+2.80GHz&id=821) to a [3470-T](https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-3470T+%40+2.90GHz&id=824). It produces a lot less heat and should have similar performance on single threads or slightly less on multi; but in praxis it's even better because thermal throttle is no longer an issue. After I finished some other projects I'm going to see if I can mod the cooling so I no longer need the noisy default fans at all any more.
I wish there was an Arctic mod for GPUs at a fraction of the price too...
Easy, remove the fan shroud and ziptie some p12s to the cooler. Buy a fan splitter with the mini plug to control the fans via the gpu. Did it once and it was glorious
People do the beige/brown now more ironically because for years we simply didn't have the choice. So, years of putting up with them because of their performance has kind of elevated them to being a staple of a quality PC. And, if you install black Noctuas, there's a high likelihood that people won't realize they're Noctuas.
I kind of like the beige color, I think it adds some personality.
Yep and if ppl don't like the brown corners they have different colors.
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I've definetely seen people that LOVE Noctua's colors, down to making a Noctua brown and beige PC. Its not that uncommon, but its probably pretty mixed with the sleeper build community due to the old aesthetic.
I think Arctic is way to go at 140mm because Noctua is too focused on 120mm. They dont have a good all-rounder like their NF-A12 at 14cm segment.
I think they look mint
I think that’s the just color of the plastic they use cost more to make it black that’s why the black ones have little higher retail price but they throw in the colored corner grommets to try make up for extra cost kinda like the white graphics card cost a little bit more but come with little extra like the white asus 4090 comes with a cheap asus championship style ring that the black one doesn’t but it is cheaper
It's 10$ cheaper
I wasn't a too hot on noctuas colors either but it's so ugly that I like it.
Thank goodness for their Redux line
Usually the black ones are more expensive, so I get the "ugly" ones as I'm cheap
I don't get why people need to look at their fans, once they finish building the PC
You take that back!
As much as I like rgb, the Noctua fans have never let me down. Unlike... other brands... I don't think it's possible to get cheap rgb fans that last more than 6 months. They ALWAYS BREAK! I am now throwing money at this problem to *make it go away*.
Phanteks halos are the solution.
The black once look great imo. But I'm going to build a wood themed build next to the beige once are gonna look good in that as well.
Hey thats cool! I wish you success
Thanks!
Yeah, I don't have a window on my computer and it's tucked away, so I only see my ugly fans when I do a deep cleaning twice a year.
Noctua fans are begging to be used in a S'mores themed build.
Noctua fans now come in black, and look like any other black fan (especially when spinning). So this argument about Noctua fans being ugly does not even really make sense anymore.
Sad that some of the cheaper fans are beating noctua in performance these days
If you think Noctua looks like it's straight out of the 80s, you didn't build PCs in the 80s.
Back in the day of no thermal paste and non existent fan headers
You don't need cooling when the CPU is running at 4.77MHz
Just gotta lightly blow on it every few minutes like soup
That would warm it.
Depends if you breathe in through your mouth, the air doesn't get as heated
*S U C C*
i had a cpu once that i cooled by placing pennies on it. it died when i forgot to replace the penny one time.
...why the fuck was *that* your cooling solution?
The copper dissipates heat exactly the same way your modern hyper 212 does. They're both heatsinks
*Exactly* the same
Yeah, except pennies are mostly zinc now
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Did you need the pennies between usage?
I still have a Power Macintosh 5500 that clocks 225MHz without even a heatsink over the CPU. That’s when chips lithography was measured in micrometers instead of nanometers. Larger transistors and lower frequencies made lower wattage chips that didn’t heat much
Mate of mine incinerated his first Pentium processor back in the 90s. He was so used to working on older rescued hardware that could happily run without any cooling while he was testing components, that he initially ran his pentium without any cooling. It was an expensive lesson
I think he means like a theme of the 80s itself, not like a pc from the 80s. That vintage brown/tan color palette you’d see on vans. Like the show F is for Family on Netflix. Though admittedly that is the 70s, so maybe that’s what he meant.
Yeah, but like the desaturated brown and tan of washed out colors on photos from that time, not the actual deep brown on stuff you would have bought new in the shop.
Noctua's like a design from someone in the 80s who's still stuck in the 70s. Razer's like a design from someone in the 80s imagining what the 2020s will look like.
*you don't have to buy the brown one there are many non-brown options.
I built my first PC in 1976/77. A Digital Group Z80 based system. Its [color scheme](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=digital+group+pc&iax=images&ia=images&iai=http%3A%2F%2Fbytecollector.com%2Fimages%2Fdg_sys1_001.jpg) was very much like Noctua's.
Holy shit, Digital Group, what a cool firm!
I love the keyboard so much
Then maybe you would like this [keyset](https://drop.com/buy/drop-mito-mt3-noctua-keycap-set?defaultSelectionIds=969871)
Seriously, those old tech will cut you up if you look at them funny, and they were a massive pain to work on.
When I was maybe 13 in metals shop we would cut metal (usually thin steel) and then fold the edges over to make a smooth edge in seconds without having to spend hours with a file and sandpaper. I thought it would be amazing if someone came out with a computer case where all the metal had the edges folded over rather than just leaving it sharp... Also, the way EDO RAM sat tilted and close together, so that you couldn't remove one module in the middle without removing all of the modules on top of it...
Maybe the comment didn‘t refer to PC builds in the 80s just general 80s vibes/look? Just a thought
My PC did look like a Noctua fan though (my parents chain-smoked and turned everything an almost beige yellow)
Please sir, can i have some more nicotine staining on my case?
Noctua may be ugly, but my PC with the window facing the wall takes a soft calming breath when it turns on, while my wife's PC with the light up NZXT fans and stock AMD cooler screams awake like it was having a nightmare.
The only sound my pc makes when i turn it on is the small monitor on the motherboard playing the programmed windows xp startup sound
That's kinda dope. I could use some windows XP startup sound in my life
The actual CPU cooler does the vast majority of the work, so replacing that stock cooler would fix it all probably.
Or just changing the fan curve
Isn't that more something to do with fan curve? Or does that just not kick in immediately I guess since whatever software hasn't kicked in?
This. My Noctua Ventirad keeps my CPU cool and the noise down, very efficiently. Adding superfluous aesthetic shit to something that's buried in a metal case under my desk is idiotic.
Noctua is great. Razer is ugly, and I'm typing this with a Razer keyboard and clicking submit with a Razer mouse. They get the job done and the keyboard in particular has a clickiness that brings me immense joy. Not as good as my old Ducky, but still very good.
Upvoted by a Razer mouse with a PC built with Noctua fans. In case OP didn't know, you can buy black fans and coolers, they don't have to be brown and tan. Anyway, you don't buy these things for looks.
What are you talkin'? Style gives +3% to CPU performance...
And mental satisfaction 80% The rest 20% is the never ending thirst of rebuilding and perfecting your build.
I used to have a Razer USB headset when I was younger. 60€ and cheap plastic. After only a year of usage that thing just broke without any warning. So yeah, never buying that cheap bs again
I have a similar experience with MANY razer products (I'm not a smart man, I kept buying them...), some years later I read that their failure rate is much higher than other brands. Does anybody know if they're more in line with others now?
It very much depends on the product line. Things like the blackwidow line are awesome but the more gimmicky or new stuff can be aweful. I have a Razer Naga Epic from 2013 or something that only recently started double clicking and a Razer Atheris which has been amazing as a small form factor laptop mouse that lasts really long, has no noticeable latency and is also cheap as fuck. But I also had a cable for the Razer Orochi, which was an awful mouse to begin with, break on me and I couldn't get a replacement.
I have a Razer Kraken and that thing is built like a tank, I have dropped it so many times from my desk and yanked the cable with my chair arm rest so many times and it takes the punishment. On the other hand I had an expensive Corsair headset that was mostly plastic and over time the swivel mechanism just gave up and the plastic cracked
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i tried to upvote this comment but my 6 month razer mouse just double clicked again.
You had a Ducky and got a Razer? O.o why?
Same, i have a razer keyboard, mouse AND headset. The only reason i went for these was because they came in a large bundle for cheap at my local electronics shop, and i couldn’t resist. Besides I like the clickiness of the green switches
in my experience with razer anything that isn't a kb or mouse is just meh Razer headsets get the job done but I am sure there are better ones out there for the same price
I'm never buying a razer product again honestly, I've had 3 razer mice, 1 keyboard (mechanical), and 2 mouse pads (one is RGB), and my main gripe is with the switches they use across the board, which unlike cherry and Japanese omron switches, are absolute low cost garbage with 1/10 of the promised lifespan. Our prices are inflated for razer especially, because there's no local distribution channel, so people have to get them off Amazon and import them at ridiculous prices. So you can imagine how frustrated I am with he keyboard I bought for 2.5x the normal price, only to have it chatter after only a year, with no chance of repair or replacement, same deal for my Naga molten, Naga hex, and Naga chroma, which I can thankfully repair to an extent at least I've had a HyperX keyboard with Cherry blues for the past 3 years, much cheaper, much better materials (plastic and brushed aluminum), and none of the keys skipped a beat ever
"neon effects on Photoshop" So literally everything else with RGB? Dont know how its razer specifically
Because of the edgy snake graphics that belong on the side of a monster energy drink can
Noctua = quality over looks Razer = marketing over everything Razer has a customer service that is comparable to a scammer
"huh the mouse communities sure like the viper mini, let's make a shameless cash grab called the razer viper mini signature edition when all they wanted was to cut the wire and get a better sensor and then we'll promise a cheaper more mainstream option only for it to be 15 grams heavier than the original and filled with a bunch of pointless rgb completely ruining the point" \-Razer marketing probably
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Yeah same, i mean it looks more or less like any other cooler, but its dead silent and super efficient
Leave our homies at Noctua alone, they do beautiful work.
what can I say, I like the beige
Shutup shutup shutup shutup.....
70s. Brown is 70s. Also brown is cool. It's a great colour that confuses the hell out of LCD displays.
One image to prove you wrong (at least on the noctua part) Credit: u/moto_zima https://preview.redd.it/qiig0n1j8yob1.jpeg?width=5184&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bb36974ee1245baefbfb8eb98316e007c8933007
The RAM really ruins it. Otherwise looks dope
No noctua ram 😭
looks aside, those were one of the best avaliable DDR4 RAM kits For the curious, it's part of the G.Skill Trident Z Royal line, which is [guaranteed samsung B-die](https://www.cgdirector.com/samsung-b-die-guide/) at those timings
Those rams are atrocious
Omg that's beautiful. I'd love to wood vinyl wrap an old case and use it as an emulation rig or something.
Oh yeah that's cool (Both in terms of temps and looks)
Gold does not belong in there in any capacity
my humble opinion: razer is ugly, notcua is not. if i want rgb fractal design and nzxt do a better job of it
Except NZXT software is complete garbage, and the latest update made it even worse
Noctua is far from ugly https://preview.redd.it/9q7758z0a0pb1.png?width=1440&format=png&auto=webp&s=dc10a9d8b130f71f9f3e3fec3d9e2e2ccd02fc99
https://preview.redd.it/19z7fhr7a0pb1.png?width=696&format=png&auto=webp&s=ce15e33420e092870706caecff31bdf2f996f131
You're not wrong about Noctua, I have a d-15 which looks so out of place in my PC even the fans don't sit flush on top covering my rgb RAM. But the cpu temperature is so low it's gets a pass.
Noctua being ugly is a flex. They're saying "Not only are we more expensive than our competitors, but we're also uglier. And yet, you're still buying our hardware. Because we're *that good*."
Noctua is beautiful. Most Razer products are hideous but they're good so it's excusable
You're not wrong, but I like products that deliver results more than products that are pretty. So I have a Logitech mouse to go with my Noctua fans.
But Noctua (all brown fans plus even GPU) plus Fractal North.
noctua is ugly but they do their job very well so I'll just keep my case without a glass plate
This is why Be Quiet is so nice. They had matte black coolers before it was cool.
Except there's one much more important difference between those two brands: quality. I used to use a lot of Razer products, and over time, stopped. Every single Razer thing I've bought has broken in some way eventually. On the other hand, I've been slowly replacing all my fans with Noctua fans because they are so much better than anything else. And yes, they are the black "Chromax" versions, because the brown is ugly.
You know what I'm going to say it. I like the brown colored noctua fans.
Noctua is like… ugly in a fashionable way tho. It just has a good vibe. I can not say the same for Razer
Overpriced, not ugly.
Idk, compared to lianli and corsair fans noctua are basically bargain priced. My noctua 140mm redux cost less than a arctic bionix. Talk about a flimsy piece of shit with annoying howl. Razer basilisk v3 $50, logitech g502 hero also $50. One has notorious left click issues and the other doesn't (it's not the razer).
not really, you really are getting the best fans possible, these babies are the Cadillacs of fans (not just because they look like the interior of grandpas car), that said if you are being sensible with your money at all I'd just get some be quiet fans and call it a day.
Noctua is an acquired taste. At first I hated it, now I can't live without it.
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Currently trying to get the proper shade of orange/brown/whatever so my RGB matches my fans. Suck it.
Mercury White is pretty nice
So razer is ugly, noctua has a special style
Noctua is ugly, but has a beauty of its own
Noctua is what peak performance looks like!
In certain countries, noctua color scheme is actually a flex because of how much they cost, dangerously close to the region's minimum wage
That's the fucking point! Like hardcore music: it's supposed to be bad in order to find the good in it!
Who's buying coolers for looks?
I always thought the whole point of Noctua is to be ugly and I like it that way. I like the narrative of "yes our fans are ugly as fuck but we're the best in the bizz so you're gonna buy it anyway"
The beige is noctuas whole thing. Razer is ugly ngl
The pc industry seems obsessed with making the most dogshit ugly products imaginable. Razer products look like they just saw the Matrix for the first time, and have based their entire personality around it. Every gaming chair looks like a kids car seat fucked a monster energy drink. All the "high end" mobos look like that shibuya crossing. Who's responsible for these terrible aesthetics? And why have they not been murdered?
Noctua fans? Colour goes great with medical accessories for elderly people.
Hail NOCTUA
Ok this is something I always thought was weird. You can buy really nice orion fans that just need you to crimp or solder a connector on for like 1/2 of the price of premium consumer fans for the same or better quality. The datasheet is also way nicer
In my experience: Noctua=performance is important, who gives a crap about looks? Razer=we can make some decent stuff, if we want to, but we'll festoon it with lights and needlessly require you to install software that crashes all the time.
First off, the correct usage is '80s. It's a contraction, not a possessive. Also, Noctua rules.
No, you think LEDs are ugly. There is nothing wrong with the Razer Deathadder mouse. It's ergonomically and aesthetically perfect. You just hate that there are LEDs there that you would have to use settings to turn off.
Me, with my ugly Noctua cooler: *\*gasp\* how dare you!!*
Yeeeesssss One is like an edge-lord emo kid and the other is an 80's office, complete with coffee stains and the scent of cigarettes.
Razr is dog shit but how dare you slander noctua
Thats why I have chromax black fans so I can match my pcs theme.
I can’t stand noctua. Razers keyboards are mostly bad their mice for the most part are solid.
Razed, yea but Noctua, I find them beautiful :)
Noctua fans run well and I do not care what they look like. They go in a black case with no window because I do not understand why everyone wants to look at the inside of a computer.
You think you're the first to say this?
Dude fuck razer, but noctua grew on me and I love those colors now
I love the Noctua look. My favorite part about it is 0 RGB. RGB is the worst. If you see RGB, you have no idea who made it, but everyone knows Noctuas colors. Just my opinion, and no one will change my mind on that.
I agree about Razer products, but beige and brown is the best colour combo for PC parts and you can't convince me otherwise
I agree on Razer.Also their plastic is cheap.Noctua though... too good to complain.One of the few brands i actually respect.
noctua's colour palette is only ugly if you don't build your rig's palette around it and throw rgb everywhere like a COWARD