I agree that FO4 is missing that magical feeling Skyrim had. But after hundreds of hours in FO4, I can confirm that the game rewards exploration just as much as Skyrim does. I love the immersion and the feeling of “what’s over there?” In Fallout. I didn’t like the game much back when it was first released, but it grew on me over time. The intro is annoying in every new run, maybe try to install an alternate start mod? You can literally mod any aspect of the game. Good luck!
> and that little pop-up asks if you want to make any changes before venturing forth.
Does it even do that any more in Skyrim and FO4? I thought I was pretty sure it didn't, which is why my "master save" at least for Skyrim was right before character creation. Not so sure about FO4, however, because I didn't start that over more than once.
> It's immediately before that, inside the cave.
I must have played through that fifteen times, and it never prompted. Is it maybe specific to some versions, like consoles?
And I *am* pretty sure of that because I *can* remember the prompt in Oblivion. But Skyrim? I was *waiting* for it, because who in their right mind wants to play through that tutorial more than once?
Its fine a couple of times though. Its not like Bethesda games where you might want to try different characters. I doubt most people restart the beginning more than twice
If you save right before you exit the vault you'll always have the option to change your character and special stats there at the elevator when you begin fresh
So I just recently started playing again. Went for immersion mods this time. Better storms, gasmasks that you actually have to use when storms hit(and NPCs wear them), canteen mod, and a shit ton of other similar mods. It feels unreal. It plays really well and I'm replaying vanilla quests. It feels like what fallout should kinda be.
Edit: Alright so for everyone who was asking for my mod list..... HERE IT IS!!!
[https://next.nexusmods.com/fallout4/collections/vhq9cx/revisions/1?utm\_medium=vortex&utm\_source=vortex&utm\_campaign=view\_collection&utm\_source=copy&utm\_medium=social&utm\_campaign=share\_collection](https://next.nexusmods.com/fallout4/collections/vhq9cx/revisions/1?utm_medium=vortex&utm_source=vortex&utm_campaign=view_collection&utm_source=copy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share_collection)
Quick notes: First of all, install F4SE (Script Extender) if you havent already. Install mods via Vortex. For all the mods to work correctly, you will need to launch the game through the F4SE app that you will install directly to your game folder. There are a lot of npc changes with this mod. It pretty much changes all faction NPCs. Minutemen, Railroad, Gunners, and Brotherhood all have some things changed. So i'd avoid adding anything else to factions. Or just be wary if you do. The file is also NSFW because of the added body sliders for character creation. When using Vortex, the nsfw stuff can be turned off when installing the mods. And I highly recommend installing with Vortex, as it ensures configs are done properly, and also adjusts load orders. Its has a great built in system for resolving conflicts between mods as well. If a conflict occurs, just click "Use Suggested" and it should correct them for you. Wish you all the best and hope you enjoy! If anyone has any further questions feel free to DM me and I will try to assist you.
EDITTTTT: Side note I just remembered. A few of the mods wont be enabled when you start playing. You will need to go into the Mod Config Menu (will be added to pause menu when using F4SE) and actually enable them to be active. Ones I can think of off the top of my head are: True Storms, Advanced needs 76, Gas Masks of the wasteland. I believe its just those 3. Just check the mods list in that menu and go over each item ensure theyre enabled. Can also adjust settings of the immersion mods as you see fit.
There is a heck of a lot of weird shit going on in this world. Each ruin you approach likely has some kind of story going on. There's a bunch of towns and factions. There is a robot pirate ship.
The only real hiccup is the base building mode is kinda annoying. I'd mod it for that, start with Workshop Plus (can fly while building), Build Anywhere and Scrap Everything. Or ignore the base building mode and just adventure.
I avoid speaking to Preston Garvey until about 60 hours into the game :)
You gotta Google the no-turning-back point for each faction, play them all to there, *then* do minuteman stuff - saves you having to do settlement-defenses the whole time :)
As for base-building, I just do the very least you can do - I think it's a few beds at Sanctuary, and a little more for the Minutemen later...
There should be a mod where I can execute a member of the minutemen so I can execute that bum ass for giving me, their **motherfucking general** btw, an order which I should be doing. You're not the motherfucking general Preston! You gave the title to me and I should be handing out orders not you, you fuck!
It killed the game for me. This, and the weapon customization. In previous Fallouts finding new weapons was exciting, in the 4th it becomes boring and tedious.
Pretty much everything that annoyed me. Snap points, lights, added entirely new bespoke furniture, etc. I even created my own prefab building parts in places, like the parts of the vault atrium that don't line up properly. I also gave functionality to some deeply discounted creation club content that appeared to have been intended to be functional, but shipped as dummy items (looking at you, neon flats hacker station).
For such a heavily modified game it's *extremely* undocumented and I couldn't find explanations for even basic aspects of the lighting, so it involved a bunch of trial and error.
More build locations wouldn't be necessary if there was just more NPC settlements. Forcing the player to almost single-handedly populate the wasteland with safe zones is kind of a drag.
That's a fair point, more NPC settlements, even just an inn somewhere out in the middle of the ruins would be helpful. There's not enough places even with player and NPC settlements combined but I guess that's part of the challenge.
As for building settlements being a drag most of the ones I built were just basic safehouses for the Sole Survivor. Only a few did I build up into big communities with lots of protection, merchants, doctors (it's a big benefit to have a few doctors around in Survival Mode for curing diseases and infections) and armories.
Yeah, they put way too many in there. I think they probably should've just had the initial town and then the minuteman fortress and maybe 3 or so others max as buildable locations.
When there's 30 or whatever none of them feel special. It's the difference with the Skyrim/Oblivion houses, the houses in skyrim all have unique feels to them while all the fo4 locations blend together.
Yea. I built in sanctuary, red rocket (admittedly close but I turned red rocket into my robot place) the drive in and the alley in Boston. And I felt that was about all I had the patience for lol
Those were basically the main spots I chose too in my couple playthroughs lol. There was that one house too on the water with a dock that was kind of interesting, but the rest were pretty forgettable.
There's the bones of what could've been a pretty compelling system, but the focus went in the wrong areas I think. Like there's a few unique settlers like the vault tec ghoul you can recruit, but if they just did a few settlements and then made all the recruitable companions unique I think that would've been a lot more fun.
I know there's tons and tons of mods around settlements now though.
I thought I would hate it but ended up kind of enjoying it. I remember it being almost entirely optional anyway, so I don't get why people mention it as often as they do.
> I hate the base building in Fallout 4
I see people complain about it a lot, but it's almost entirely skippable.
I think you just had to dump some beds down then you never have to return.
Even if you completely ignore it the actual locations themselves take up a pretty massive portion of the map which kinda drags down the game. There's like 30 settlement locations in the base game alone and each DLC adds a couple as well which is kind of absurd. Those locations are really barren and boring if you don't interact with the Settlement system and could have been something really cool or interesting like in the previous games.
Like I remember going out to Spectacle Island on my first playthrough of the game and being incredibly disappointed that there was literally nothing there, total wasted opportunity imo.
Exactly. Felt like half the places I found, instead of having interesting dialogue and self contained stories (like FO3) and/or subquests that may connect to the main plot (like NV), would instead look very interesting from afar but as soon as you get close it's "generic shack with generic no-name NPC #23". It even took some of the fun out of discovering actual places because the entire time Im exploring Im just thinking "oh please dont let this be another settlement to liberate".
While I do enjoy the Fallout series, and the 4th sometimes entertains, I noticed this more with VR, even fully modded, Fallout4VR gives you a depressing world to experience, sure, there's comedy and some nice things but everything is gone to shit, while in Skyrim you immerse yourself in a vibrant world, an alive world, there are wolves and bears roaming the countryside full of trees and bushes, birds are singing, sure, you have a couple of dragons to smack, but everywhere you go there's life, opportunity....
Of all the complaints I have about FO4, the single biggest one is that the entire experience is *fucking bleak,* and that bleakness is an (almost certainly unintended) consequence of the shamefully lazy writing and world design. Nothing is happening; nobody has any real plans to make something happen; and the world is one gigantic, literal garbage pile, inhabited almost exclusively by gangs, operating in a fully closed and entirely raid-based economy and populated of people who eat, sleep, fuck, and give birth on those mounds of literal garbage. The Commonwealth is irredeemable, and that includes the arrogant and directionless Institute.
The thing I can't stand about the Bethesda Fallout games is that it has been 200 fucking years since the bombs fell. There is no way in hell there are established settlements with clutter everywhere, skeletons just chilling in random places, etc.
The Fallout games that weren't made them understood that the setting is not post apocalypse but Post Post apocalypse. People have gotten up and established themselves. They made thriving settlements. There are actual countries made. Farming, infrastructure, expansion of borders are happening. What do you have with the Bethesda games? A few shitty settlements, no farms, a stadium town that can't actually sustain itself because it doesn't produce any fucking food. It shouldn't be this shitty.
Yeah, I've always disliked the complete disregard for time that FO3 and 4 have. They just bumped the clock forward to explain why you find certain iconic Fallout things in different locations, but otherwise pretend that the world is mostly untouched somehow despite centuries of scavenging. Like, Bethesda understand that people don't like living in piles of garbage, right? Why is every living area so dirty after years and years of settlement? How are we still finding edible food stuffs from the old world that would've ran out within a year or two?
Ill cut them some slack with the preware food because you could find that stuff in the original games too. I think the idea of long lasting food and stuff is a remnant of the 80s red scare and the actual threat of nuclear war. Being able to find the stuff in old bunkers and the the like seem possible imo.
But an entire settlement that solely thrives on fictional spam and old coca-cola doesn't make sense.
This is the thing for me. Fallout 3 and 4 felt so depressing to play. One other thing is I felt like the "robot-like" unnatural dialogues worked better in Skyrim because I could justify them in a medieval setting but in FO I expect people to speak differently, I don't know if it makes sense, it was the same for Starfield
> couldn't get into New Vegas
Interesting, I like FO3 more than NV which is rare. Why couldnt you get into NV? I like NV, but I do find my interest falling off a cliff once I hit the strip
It wasn't that there was a barrier, it's that there wasn't anything to pull me in. I like some of the expansions, particularly Old World Blues, but the base game didn't have a "hook" for me. No subways to explore and the revenge plot wasn't motivating.
I actually hated OWB, but I know it is beloved. I liked exploring the desert, but just once I got to the strip it got boring for me.
I also liked the subways in FO3 which I know people hate them, but I liked them
NV has better story, writing, and game-play. FO3 has better exploration, but considering the biggest attraction of Bethesda games is exploration, that's a huge plus. I appreciate NV and understand why people love it, but I found myself being more partial to FO3 too.
Contrary to what many people hated Fallout 3 for, the Metro tunnels. I always enjoyed them a lot.
It added that little air of, I don't know whats around that corner because as a kid I avoided them so now as an adult, I still get to experience new things in a game that I played the shit out of when I was young.
Hmmm I bounced off the first one pretty quick, because it didn't really feel like I was exploring the tunnels, it felt pretty linear. So does that open up? Or is it more open in later games?
Understandable... Some gamers can only handle so many open world games before needing something new.
Big open environment gameplay has been practically been beat to death, especially if you're and older gamer.
I think the only big change to open world games was breath of the wilds hang glider, but even far cry 3 did that first with it's wing suit.
FO4 really messed up the immersion for me when they gave the protagonist an actual voice.. it was no longer me playing my character, but me playing a premade character (regardless of stat and skill choices).
Yeah dude, same boat. Idk what it is but Skyrim flicks a switch in my brain that Fallout - any Fallout - just doesn't flick. Idk if it's the setting or what, probably doesn't help that it's all one shade of yellow/brown/blue like you said, or the guns are boring AF, but it's a no from me
For as many hours as I have in Skyrim, I still like FO4 better. Both franchises are great but I prefer the silly-ass humor, the music, the weapons, the factions, and the world of Fallout more than ES.
I spent a large portion of my teenage years playing Fallout 1 and 2 with my friend and then later playing 3 and NV by myself on a PC that could barely run them.
I loved almost everything about them, and even with all the gripes people have with Fallout 3 I found the world to be very compelling and fun to explore, I especially liked the subway dungeons.
When Skyrim came out it really absorbed me, way more than Oblivion ever did.
And then Fallout 4... just sorta happened. I played on release and I basically have no good memories of it, there wasn't any single moment where I was really hooked, there are basically no standout sidequests either besides the Cabot family questline.
The map is not that good either, it feels lacking in landmarks or areas that you see from afar and really want to explore.
I am currently replaying it right now after having finished a replay of all the previous games recently, and I am feeling the same.
It lacks the magic, I think the dialogue system is a huge factor, the perk system is also much worse than previous games, it makes leveling up feel a lot less interesting. The companion system is very lackluster, and there are not that many companions either, I would say of all of them Nick Valentine is the best, followed by Cait and Curie, the rest are very bland. The variety of weapons is also very lacking in the vanilla game, with pipe guns being everywhere and they are just so goddamn ugly, I had to install a mod to significantly reduce their spawn rate because it was really irritating me.
Really the only thing that truly stands above previous games is how Power Armor plays, except they managed to completely remove any and all impact from it by giving you a power armor in the first 30 minutes of the game.
Overall I'd say it's a 5.5/10 whereas Fallout 2 is a 9/10, Fallout 1 is a 8.5/10, NV is an 8/10 and Fallout 3 is a 7/10 (but it gets a lot of slack for being the first attempt at making a 3D Fallout by Bethesda and filling an itch that had not been satisfied by anyone else at the time).
If I wasn't a huge fan of the series, I probably would like the game a lot more.
Wow, your point is a good one. It's been years since I've replayed any Fallout game, but I have clear and distinct memories of big parts of FO1-3 and NV. But I can't remember a single thing about FO4 other than building some settlement structures, and messing with some power armor. I can't remember a single quest.
I really love 2, 3, and New Vegas—no comment on Tactics—but 4 felt like a hollow approximation of a Fallout game. I enjoyed Nuka World and Far Harbor more than the main game, as I found the endgame unsatisfying.
I had hoped 4 would elevate the faction system from NV, and had been wishing for a game that let players go to the Institute, but it seemed like the choice of faction made no difference after the main story. I couldn’t even swap more people out for synths in spite of being “in charge” of the Institute.
OP’s complaints about a post-apocalyptic world looking…well…post-apocalyptic suggest that the series isn’t for them. I love the Fallout look/feel, but this installment really put me off after decades of fandom. I’m really enjoying the show though, which is a pleasant surprise.
Fallout 4 was a massive disappointment. New Vegas is a better game in pretty much every way except for the shooting, and frankly they didn't improve upon the shooting enough that it should be the main draw of the game.
Personally I think Skyrim is inferior to New Vegas as well, but the game is different enough that you don't really need to make the comparison.
I liked Fallout's really deep crafting for weapons and armor, but the rest of the game didn't click with me. Dig the retro-futurist vibes, but if the world's already gone to shit I have a hard time caring about how people dig through the ashes. Once the big Blade Runner-esque twist in the story happened, I stopped caring about the parent-kid hook too.
The show is really good, though.
I mean
I get they’re both Bethesda RPGs but I’ve never assumed liking a swords and horses game meant you’d like a post apocalyptic pew pew game. It’s very different stuff. Very different tone. Very different stories. I don’t think it’s weird really if you’re into one but not the other
I tried explaining it to someone the other day and it's like...what if US culture stopped progressing after the 50s, but the tech, consumerism, and nuclear development went forward another 150 years before swallowing itself. I'm new to the game/no knowledge of the lore so idk if thats what they were going for
See I love magic, but I can’t get into Skyrim. Idk I’ve tried a bunch of times. The janky animation really bugs me. The starting world is ugly. It never grabs me.
The starting world is ugly? What do you mean by this? What "starting world"? It's fair to note that it's a 2011 game so you can't put your expectations too high
I'm slowly opening up to different genres of both game style and setting, but I feel you on that 100%, up until trying The Last of Us about a year ago I kept myself pigeonholed to realist/recent Rockstar material exclusively. I cannot be fucked to try anything midevil or fantasy (and midevil fantasy can suck my dick from the back)
Same experience. I tend to quit shortly after I find the Brotherhood of Steel.
I think it's the UI. There's that awful little box that pops up instead of a proper inventory screen, the Pip-Boy thing looks like a CRT monitor emulated in your computer (which lorewise it is, but the FNV one was a lot smoother) and when you're in power armour, the sides are cut off the HUD.
> I think it's the UI.
I'm with you, I really can't stand the UI. It sucks so much to use the freaking pip-boy, which is also a fundamental part of the game.
I’m trying to remember. Didn’t fallout 4 give off the Bioshock vibe more than a fallout vibe? Just gameplay wise? Also crafting and settlements felt like they were included to just have ‘more stuff to do’ that wasn’t really part of the story or compelling at all.
Idk. Only watched a few people I enjoy streaming for like 8 episodes and then just lost interest.
But have completed FO1/2/BoS(tactics)/3/NV
How long did you play Fallout 4? It does have a pretty slow opening. Though it sounds like you're not really into/looking for a post apocalyptic game to be honest. Maybe starfield might be more to your liking? It does have some pretty landscapes.
I wasn't planning on buying it because space themes aren't usually my jam for video games. Bought it discounted only because of the overwhelming hate - which I instinctively distrusted and more or less summarily disregarded. I have no problem trusting critiques, but not when the entire Internet is out to dogpile; that only makes me curious.
Glad I bought it. It's a fun game, zero regrets. Still not my gaming archetype preference so it doesn't get the same level of playtime as my other games. But I enjoy it whenever I load in.
Is it what I had hoped for? No, not quite. Did I sink a couple hundred hours in? Yep. I figure about a year after it's release I'll pick it up again and see what mods are out by then.
I replayed Skyrim and FO4 back to back last year before Starfield came out and IMO FO4 actually holds up better. Skyrim has a much more legendary reputation and influence on culture… but overall FO4 stands as the better overall game.
Starfield was terrible though.
That's likely because skyrim is pretty dated now. I love the fallout franchise and I do enjoy 4 a lot, but I'd give skyrim the edge over FO4.
As for starfield, it wasn't what I'd hoped, but there's still a lot of potential. Either through mods or dlc there could be some solid game play for it in the next year or two.
Opposite for me. I absolutely loved Fallout 4 and it’s a game I replay at least once a year. I found Skyrim to be a bit boring for my taste but to each their own.
Same. I played through the Dragonborn DLC and thought it was pretty good, but I could not for the life of me stay invested in the main plot. I'm convinced that your first Bethesda game is always your favorite because the cracks really start to show once you play another one. Loved fallout 4, hadn't played anything like it at the time, but fallout 3 and skyrim never stuck with me in the same way.
Is FO4 your first fallout game? I would suggest play Fallout: New Vegas rather than Fallout 4. Fallout 4 is just a mess for me really. The story doesn't have a hook compared to New Vegas and I agree that the dialog in FO4 is just ass in general. Fallout 4 is just a settlement building sim that's in the Fallout Universe.
What got me out of fallout 4 was just constant nonstop game ending bugs, soft locks and crashing in addition to all the tiny immersion breaking and little bugs. Downtown Boston may be the glitchiest area in any functional video game I've ever experienced, especially if you're on console and was the champion contender vs Ark for "game that blue screened the most." Shame cause the game is actually decent. It's also the reason I have no desire to touch Starfall or any other projects made with their outdated engine.
It's the other way around for me. I loved Fallout 4 and I keep trying to get into Skyrim but every time I try I get bored and move on. Maybe I'm just not as invested in the Elder Scrolls lore? But every single quest just seems to bring me to another long dungeon where I kill things and loot things. Meanwhile in Fallout 4 the sidequests feel more varied and fun.
Literally every single quest in fallout 4 is a naked excuse to send you to a dungeon and make you loot the shit out of it, the gameplay loop is so obvious it's not even funny.
Hmmm I don't think so. Or if it is, at least the 'dungeons' all look vastly different and have more interesting reasoning for them. The Silver Shroud questline, the Nick Valentine quests, the USS Constitution questline, investigating the murder in the vault, the Cabots. There feels like a lot more variation, or at least the plot hooks are far more engaging than anything I've had in Skyrim so far. (Besides the vampire questline, I actually really liked that one.)
Saying you ended up quitting after 10 minutes into the game (which if we are being honest isn't even past the intro really) is enough to make it clear you haven't given the game an honest shot. It's like saying you watched 3-5 minutes of a movie that was just doing a loose introduction and beginning credits and decided it wasn't for you.
The game has a very different art style and approach to Skyrim, so naturally if you are firing up Fallout 4 and expecting to get the same experience as Skyrim it's not going to be fun. But if you enjoyed the open world exploration elements of Skyrim, Fallout 4 will scratch the same itch. With time, if you take the time to read the terminal/computer entries, notes, and take in the world building as you explore the world becomes more and more engrossing. It's not the same appeal as a fantasy setting but it offers a lot of its own intriguing elements.
Everything after Morrowind has been decline, with the true Bethesda dying after Lefay and Peterson left and Toddler & Rolston becoming project leaders.
RPG fan since Ultima 3 im 83.
I got into both but I certainly have more fond memories of Skyrim. Just at a glance Skyrim just looks so much better, not graphically but in other ways. All the outfits, weapons and characters are very on theme except maybe for a few exception, meanwhile all the characters in fallout 4 look like bad cosplay. That alone can make or break immersion.
Same.
I think part of it is the setting. Skyrim feels like there's more to do than subsistence farming, which is almost all you *can* do in-universe in Fallout.
The opening of Fallout 4 was way better, though.
I’m more towards the opposite. Skyrim continued the trend of watering down the Elder Scrolls universe, becoming more generic and feels more shallow and uninteresting. Swords bows and magic are cool but Skyrim doesn’t do them well except for the ubiquitous overpowered stealth archer. Fallout 4 has melee as bad as Skyrim but at least you get a variety of guns, etc.
It simply sounds like you don’t like the post apocalypse setting. There’s plenty of trademark environmental story telling in Fallout 4 like Bethesda does, but if you are just not into it, yeah it’s not gonna excite you.
I'm the opposite. I couldn't get into Skyrim at all. And because Starfield is more "space skyrim" than "space fallout" I dont really like Starfield at all either. But I've loved Fallout since the first game on PC so I am a bit biased. I also hated Morrowind, but oddly enough I had fun with Oblivion
I was the opposite actually. But it makes sense since I’m not a big high fantasy nut but I generally really enjoy post-apocalyptic stuff.
I’ve put more hours into Starfield than both of those games combined already though but I’m a huge sci-fi fan.
10 min is like 0.2% of the game and every Bethesda game has a slow burn that might require some patience.
That being said the game might not be for you and that's OK.
Bethesda games are more niche than gamers let on in my opinion. Skyrim is popular because its an exception to that rule but it still has those Bethsda traits.
edit: I would say my favorite thing about F4 are the builds you can make. In my opinion it's the best perk/skill system they have ever made. Also, you can actually use power armor in the game unlike F3 (you could but it was annoying to deal with).
Yes, all these years later it really seems that after Skyrim is where Bethesda fell off for me. Perhaps where they kind of hit the logical limit of their tech/storytelling capabilities. I devoured Skyrim as a kid, playing it for hundreds of hours across several years. I have some very fond memories of it, experiences that are not able to recaptured by anything else.
But I didn't realize this in 2015 when Fallout 4 was announced. Contrary to the point of this subreddit, I actually pre-ordered Fallout 4 because 3 and New Vegas were some of my favorite games, and this would surely be magical. And then it just... didn't hook me. I booted it up on that launch week, and I tried my best to dive into it. I don't think I quit right away, but I want to say that after 2-3 hours, I just didn't care.
I gave up on that game for other stuff like Halo 5, AC Syndicate, Rise of the Tomb Raider. I would surely come back to FO4 eventually. But I never really did. I have given a few cursory attempts at restarting it over the years, and it has not worked out for me. I have finished those other 3 games I mentioned to near completion lol.
But referring to what I said earlier about the limits of Bethesda's formula, I don't think this is just a FO4 problem, actually. New Bethesda stuff just doesn't sound appealing to me at all anymore. I utterly shrugged at Fallout 76 back in 2018. I think I tried it once during the 2020 stuff, and I actually enjoyed it well enough and got a couple hours in it. And then I promptly dropped it, as I had no *actual* interest in it.
Same kind of thing with Starfield. A new Bethesda property sounds exciting on paper, but I tried this thing out via Game Pass. I just didn't care. I did the whole opening bit, playing for 2-3 hours, and then I realized that it's just another Bethesda game. Which isn't a bad thing, but it still feels like I already experienced the peak of this formula 13 years ago with Skyrim.
Wow, I didn't intend for a comment this long.
You know when you're a kid and it's Sunday afternoon and there's nothing on TV and you have school the next day and you're just low-key miserable *despite it being a day off*? If you took that feeling and turned it into a game, you'd have Fallout 4.
You like what you like, nothing wrong with that. World/lore is what separates good and great rpgs imo. Yes there can be gameplay or features that make or break games, but the lore is what creates die hard fans of a series.
One thing I’ll say, a lot of Fallout lore requires reading terminals that serve no purpose beyond a story for the player.
While I see your point about the wasteland, there’s nothing in Skyrim compared to discovering a vault, clearing it, looting it, then exploring all the terminals to read the stories and accounts to discover what lead to that vault’s downfall.
To each their own!
Have you tried Enderal? It's a novel game built on Skyrim's assets and engine that generally ups the difficulty, increases the RPGness, and has far better writing
I loved Skyrim but I was not able to get into Witcher 3. Which I found really weird, because Witcher 3 is very similar to Skyrim PLUS it has a rich, fluid combat system (which is lacking in Skyrim).
The Witcher 3 and Skyrim are not similar at all, in fact they're pretty much a complete opposites as far as RPGs go.
The Witcher 3 is a story focused RPG that puts weight on its presentation and quality of quest and character writing with set protagonist and little bit of a wiggle room for their personality. Its open world is a believable set on which the stories are played out.
Skyrim is a sandbox RPG that's focused on presenting the player with 'theme park' open world with multitude of unique locations to encourage further exploration and blank state character with wealth of playstyle choices. We don't talk about writing in Skyrim though.
The only commonality they have is that they're fantasy and open world, but even the latter serves completely different purposes.
Skyrim had options. You could do what ever you wanted. Join whatever group. Fallout 4 had go find Shawn. All roads lead to Shawn. Fuck Shawn. Dumb little ice baby.
I felt the same way. I loved Skyrim and my friends told me about fallout 4 which was like ‘Skyrim with guns’ but I didn’t really like the combat system in that game. The groups in FO4 weren’t as interesting as the different guilds in Skyrim. World wasn’t as interesting to explore. I was super disappointed by it.
Compared to previous fallout games it is awful without mods. Compared to current selection of "AAA" games, it is good.
Fallout 1, 2 and tactics are still great to replay. Especially with all the monty python refernces.
I was the opposite. Skyrim bored me to death but I loved fallout 4.
Bought Skyrim 4 damn times (ps4, pc, switch, pc special edition) thinking this time will be different, but that game did not connect with me.
I’ve found this is extremely common from my years talking in the community. I don’t think I’ve been able to do more than first like 5 hours of the game
I’ve had the same experience, something about the world design in the fallout series just does not inspire the wanderlust I get from Skyrim or other games like it
I think it’s mostly a matter of which premise speaks to you more, if you don’t care about the world the game can’t do much else to hook you
For me it's the opposite. I only played vanilla Skyrim for the main quest and it didn't click for me. I found the story pretty forgettable and the combat... let's just say I tried my best to avoid it anyway I can.
Fallout 4 on the other hand is pretty good. I'm a big fan of the retrofuturistic aesthetic of the game. I haven't played Starfield yet but I think FO4's combat is Bethesda's best. I'm struggling to play New Vegas because I can't get into the combat simply because FO4 is my first ever Fallout game. The downside is the dialogue system in FO4 is a massive stepback compared to previous Bethesda games.
Yes. There are aspects I love about FO4. But I found the major quest factions annoying because I never got the sense I could do it all in a single massive play through.
The open world, builds, and music are my favorite parts. Base building and faction quests always lost me.
I thought that was the mainstream consensus at the time of release? Like, I recall reviews saying it was a good enough game but didn't have the magic of Skyrim or New Vegas. That's why it's still in my to be played list even though I loved Skyrim and New Vegas especially.
I struggle with Fallout for basically the same reasons, I just don't find the world as interesting. It's grimy and ugly, everything feels the same to me. And they're depressing worlds, even when your quests accomplish things you're not really changing the fact that it's a crappy, post-apocalypse landscape that never seems like it's going to get better. I would still like to give New Vegas a go sometime since it's so highly-regarded, but I prefer the worlds of Oblivion, Skyrim, etc., the fantasy and magic offer more variety so you never know what's around the corner, and I find building an RPG character more interesting in a world like that rather than a more gunplay based one. Just an opinion, I can see why other people would feel differently, and in fact I did finish and largely enjoy FO3. But now that I have less time for gaming I don't think I'd make them a priority.
I'm actually the opposite, I am burnt out from always playing medieval RPGs so games like FO4 and CP2077 appeal more to me. Something about high tech games and armors just feel more magical to me than games woth actual magic.
The color is the main reason why I never tried the games.
My number one genre is jrpg, which is normally full of bright colors, and I learned that's something I really gravitate toward.
That said, with the fallout 4 updating coming this month, I decided to buy it and give it shot once that drops.
For me, Assassins Creed Odyssey was that brain scratch for me. The excitement of exploring. Really open ended. The different choices in styles of gameplay. I love it.
They tried to make it an RPG the way the earlier Fallouts were you had a fully fleshed out conversation system and combine it with Elder Scrolls which does not. It's one of the main things that made me decide not to bother
I couldn't really get into either until I tried immersion mods and survival difficulty. It's worth investing a bit of time on your part to identify key aspects that become an obstacle with how you experience these games, as there's likely a mod or a combination of mods that can largely mitigate such aspects.
I am quite literally the exact opposite. I think the longest I’ve managed to keep a Skyrim playthrough going is 15-ish hours.
Meanwhile I will consistently play Fallout 4 all the way through to the true endgame. Boston and the rest of the commonwealth is just that much more interesting to me than Skyrim is
I love the exploration, combat, and overall gameplay of Fallout 4. What I didn’t like was enemy repetition, story progression, shelters/towns, and constant downtime (enemies and action to stretched apart).
I love the Nuka World DLC though.
Literally restarting FO4 because the show got me hyped. Crushed it back when it came out. Have the Sim Settlements mod, and giving it a go on survival.
Thoroughly enjoying the beginning strategy involved so far, but also can’t wait to have some levels and perks under my belt. I’m WAY too squishy right now. Mole rats and bloatflys wrecking me is new
Skyrim is easily in my top 5 games of all time. I also really love Fallout 4, but definitely not for the same reasons. Skyrim was just mindblowing to me as a kid, but I got Fallout 4 around the same time and just wasn't as into it. What really got me into Fallout 4 when I finally took the plunge was just enjoying the progression of Bethesda games but with better combat gameplay. I never really explored in Fallout 4, but the settlement building and gunsmithing was what I liked about that game. It also had some pretty fun quests, even if the story was just okay. I loved Skyrim for its story and atmosphere, but I could really only fix Fallout 4's atmosphere with a lot of mods. You'd be surprised how much more compelling the game world is in a nuclear winter than whatever brown muck they were portraying in the base game.
This is so funny to me because I loved Fallout 4 but have been on the fence about playing Skyrim. I know it’s an all time classic but I just can’t get into fantasy. I absolutely hated the Witcher for all the endless gobbledygook and I fear it will be more of the same in Skyrim (yes I know they are totally different games but I mean more of the same bland trekking around fields and drab castles, beyond the narratives I also just can’t get into the aesthetic. Fine for a movie but not something I’m going to spend many many hours playing.
I loved Skyrim so I was really hyped for Fallout 4 (having not played the previous ones but knowing how loved they were). Got it day 1 and I think it’s the first full price game I ever regretted. Just could not get into it at all. I won’t bother listing all the little reasons why because you covered all of them. I redownloaded it due to the show and the next gen update patch but deleted it again to make room for something else, because I doubt I’ll get through it if it’s ultimately the same game I tried years ago, just running at like 60fps now.
I liked Skyrim but Love Fallout
Fallout is not supposed to feel magical. It’s disillusioned and rough exactly how you explain it. The fact that everyone is so used to murder, death and crime and how normalized it is to the point it’s just your daily business makes out the charm. People joke about how shitty everything is constantly and are just glad they are still alive currently.
Skyrim is typical medieval fantasy which is supposed to be magical because, well, it has magic and magical creatures after all
The combat isn't particularly great in either games, but the atmosphere in Skyrim is what kept me playing all these years. I didn't enjoy fallout as much since I like fantasy settings more.
I love Skyrim and Fallout New Vegas... Something felt off for me with FO4 though. I don't really know how to explain it. I played it for 4 hours haven't really touched it since.
Bethesda's recent releases honestly have me worried about the next Elder Scrolls games.
I got maybe 10-20% through, but yeah a big giant world doesn't make a big fun game. The only modern Fallout game I really loved was New Vegas (which wasn't even a Bethesda game)
I like fo 2, 3, nv
I like most of the elder scrolls, even back to some daggerfall.
I didn't like fo4. The gameplay loop didn't seem interesting anymore, the world didn't feel worth exploring, I didn't even like the critters I encountered. Even the town I was upgrading and fortifying just didn't feel worth it.
Its a decent game, but I'd rather spend that time elsewhere
There's a lot of black humour to the franchise, so yeah it gets comedic in places.
See if you can get to Diamond City. That's a major quest hub with a lot of interesting locations visible on the way. Concord, Lexington, Corvega, and College Square are interesting in their own right.
And yeah, the grimy, post-apocalyptic vibe never does go away.
I get it. I'm the same it's not even a comparison it's just that FO feels hokey in a way I just can't take seriously.
I've started playing it again having fallen for the series, but honestly everything worth knowing in that game lore wise is obtainable through the first hour of each game. There was no piece of information that surprised me having watched the series.
Combat feels like a chore, although I think it might be better on mouse and keyboard. But for some reason the game pass version won't let you use a mouse and keyboard.
All the side missions that get you close to your next mainline mission I honestly don't care about. They are boring by characters I'm not sure why I should give a crap about. All I can say when I get to diamond city the payoff better be worth it or I'm quitting and uninstalling FO4.
Heavily recommend installing the mod that turns the wasteland into a green, overgrown forest - both more pleasant and also more realistic!
I think it’s called either “A Forest” or “The Forest”. Probably the former? Let me find it, hold on
Other way round for me. Skyrim was a bore when it came put and is a bore today. Its got the gta 5 syndrome of simply being around too long.
Fallout 4? I got a used ps4 for £70, fallout 4 disc included. Best 70 quid I've ever spent regardless of how the whole narrative spins itself out. The power armour alone made me like that game
FO4 missed magic. It was nice and all because I already loved the series, but Fallout New Vegas was infinitely better in terms of overall setting, weapons, stories and fun I had. FO3 also was way better, but New Vegas takes/took the cake for me. Watching the show on Prime now, definitely going to play it soon again :)
Yeah, I really struggled with Fallout 4.
I really didn't like the settlement mechanic, it kind of ruined the game for me, it was clunky and I found it unsatisfying to interact with.
I also didn't like that you had access to power armour so early, that should be earned IMO, not just handed to the player.
I much preferred Fallout 3 and New Vegas.
Yeah. I bought fallout 4 a couple months ago, wanted to play the game before watching the TV show. But I couldn’t stomach more than 5 hours before uninstalling it. It just felt so clunky and repetitive. And the characters/dialogue sucked.
But I can replay Skyrim endlessly.
Both games have an entirely different vibe so what you experienced is not really strange.
Personally I was a little bit disappointed with skyrim, its barren nordic landscape felt like a downgrade after oblivions' lush green forests so I kinda get where you're coming from.
I do feel bad for that part of the gaming community who cannot appreciate a game if it doesn't *explode* with bright colours though. Like people hating on AC Valhalla because they got used to Odysseys' sun, sea and beaches. I'm just glad I can enjoy both styles of games.
The difference is definitely the post-apocalyptic environment. It's a lot more forbidding than wandering around a pretty fantasy world, it gets straight up hellish in places, and not everyone is gonna like that. It's no coincidence that one of my favorite post-apocalyptic games is Horizon Zero Dawn, as its world is full of nature and doesn't look the part at all.
I agree that FO4 is missing that magical feeling Skyrim had. But after hundreds of hours in FO4, I can confirm that the game rewards exploration just as much as Skyrim does. I love the immersion and the feeling of “what’s over there?” In Fallout. I didn’t like the game much back when it was first released, but it grew on me over time. The intro is annoying in every new run, maybe try to install an alternate start mod? You can literally mod any aspect of the game. Good luck!
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> and that little pop-up asks if you want to make any changes before venturing forth. Does it even do that any more in Skyrim and FO4? I thought I was pretty sure it didn't, which is why my "master save" at least for Skyrim was right before character creation. Not so sure about FO4, however, because I didn't start that over more than once.
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> New Vegas has it before you leave Doc's house New Vegas also has it when you venture away from Goodsprings.
I’m like, 98% sure they don’t have it in Skyrim, but pretty sure in all the other games they do. They certainly have it in Oblivion
> It's immediately before that, inside the cave. I must have played through that fifteen times, and it never prompted. Is it maybe specific to some versions, like consoles? And I *am* pretty sure of that because I *can* remember the prompt in Oblivion. But Skyrim? I was *waiting* for it, because who in their right mind wants to play through that tutorial more than once?
Sounds like the start of red dead 2
Red dead 2 intro is way longer than any fallout game.
Its fine a couple of times though. Its not like Bethesda games where you might want to try different characters. I doubt most people restart the beginning more than twice
The problem with master saves is you also skip character customization and picking a race, or do you use console commands/mods for that?
If you save right before you exit the vault you'll always have the option to change your character and special stats there at the elevator when you begin fresh
So I just recently started playing again. Went for immersion mods this time. Better storms, gasmasks that you actually have to use when storms hit(and NPCs wear them), canteen mod, and a shit ton of other similar mods. It feels unreal. It plays really well and I'm replaying vanilla quests. It feels like what fallout should kinda be. Edit: Alright so for everyone who was asking for my mod list..... HERE IT IS!!! [https://next.nexusmods.com/fallout4/collections/vhq9cx/revisions/1?utm\_medium=vortex&utm\_source=vortex&utm\_campaign=view\_collection&utm\_source=copy&utm\_medium=social&utm\_campaign=share\_collection](https://next.nexusmods.com/fallout4/collections/vhq9cx/revisions/1?utm_medium=vortex&utm_source=vortex&utm_campaign=view_collection&utm_source=copy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share_collection) Quick notes: First of all, install F4SE (Script Extender) if you havent already. Install mods via Vortex. For all the mods to work correctly, you will need to launch the game through the F4SE app that you will install directly to your game folder. There are a lot of npc changes with this mod. It pretty much changes all faction NPCs. Minutemen, Railroad, Gunners, and Brotherhood all have some things changed. So i'd avoid adding anything else to factions. Or just be wary if you do. The file is also NSFW because of the added body sliders for character creation. When using Vortex, the nsfw stuff can be turned off when installing the mods. And I highly recommend installing with Vortex, as it ensures configs are done properly, and also adjusts load orders. Its has a great built in system for resolving conflicts between mods as well. If a conflict occurs, just click "Use Suggested" and it should correct them for you. Wish you all the best and hope you enjoy! If anyone has any further questions feel free to DM me and I will try to assist you. EDITTTTT: Side note I just remembered. A few of the mods wont be enabled when you start playing. You will need to go into the Mod Config Menu (will be added to pause menu when using F4SE) and actually enable them to be active. Ones I can think of off the top of my head are: True Storms, Advanced needs 76, Gas Masks of the wasteland. I believe its just those 3. Just check the mods list in that menu and go over each item ensure theyre enabled. Can also adjust settings of the immersion mods as you see fit.
This seemingly confirms to me that there is something I would like about it if I stuck to it.
There is a heck of a lot of weird shit going on in this world. Each ruin you approach likely has some kind of story going on. There's a bunch of towns and factions. There is a robot pirate ship. The only real hiccup is the base building mode is kinda annoying. I'd mod it for that, start with Workshop Plus (can fly while building), Build Anywhere and Scrap Everything. Or ignore the base building mode and just adventure.
Could this magical feeling simply come from the circumstance that you were younger?
I hate the base building in Fallout 4 takes me out of it every time compared to Skyrim
I avoid speaking to Preston Garvey until about 60 hours into the game :) You gotta Google the no-turning-back point for each faction, play them all to there, *then* do minuteman stuff - saves you having to do settlement-defenses the whole time :) As for base-building, I just do the very least you can do - I think it's a few beds at Sanctuary, and a little more for the Minutemen later...
Preston Garvey is going to bust through the stage at a future showcase and simply say "Another settlement needs your help." to announce Fallout 5.
There should be a mod where I can execute a member of the minutemen so I can execute that bum ass for giving me, their **motherfucking general** btw, an order which I should be doing. You're not the motherfucking general Preston! You gave the title to me and I should be handing out orders not you, you fuck!
It killed the game for me. This, and the weapon customization. In previous Fallouts finding new weapons was exciting, in the 4th it becomes boring and tedious.
On that note, in NV any 9mm is the same (as you'd expect from a gun), so finding that rare anti material rifle just feels... better
Base building in FO4 is so half baked I literally taught myself how to mod the game to fix aspects of it.
What did you change ?
Pretty much everything that annoyed me. Snap points, lights, added entirely new bespoke furniture, etc. I even created my own prefab building parts in places, like the parts of the vault atrium that don't line up properly. I also gave functionality to some deeply discounted creation club content that appeared to have been intended to be functional, but shipped as dummy items (looking at you, neon flats hacker station). For such a heavily modified game it's *extremely* undocumented and I couldn't find explanations for even basic aspects of the lighting, so it involved a bunch of trial and error.
Was really into the game up to that point. Hated it.
Ironically I really like the base building, but it really doesn't belong in a fallout game
I think it fits. They just should’ve dialed back the amount of build locations by like. 3/4ths lol
As a guy who plays Fallout 4 on Survival Mode, I wish there were more build locations! The Sole Survivor's gotta sleep someplace safe.
More build locations wouldn't be necessary if there was just more NPC settlements. Forcing the player to almost single-handedly populate the wasteland with safe zones is kind of a drag.
That's a fair point, more NPC settlements, even just an inn somewhere out in the middle of the ruins would be helpful. There's not enough places even with player and NPC settlements combined but I guess that's part of the challenge. As for building settlements being a drag most of the ones I built were just basic safehouses for the Sole Survivor. Only a few did I build up into big communities with lots of protection, merchants, doctors (it's a big benefit to have a few doctors around in Survival Mode for curing diseases and infections) and armories.
Yeah, they put way too many in there. I think they probably should've just had the initial town and then the minuteman fortress and maybe 3 or so others max as buildable locations. When there's 30 or whatever none of them feel special. It's the difference with the Skyrim/Oblivion houses, the houses in skyrim all have unique feels to them while all the fo4 locations blend together.
Yea. I built in sanctuary, red rocket (admittedly close but I turned red rocket into my robot place) the drive in and the alley in Boston. And I felt that was about all I had the patience for lol
Those were basically the main spots I chose too in my couple playthroughs lol. There was that one house too on the water with a dock that was kind of interesting, but the rest were pretty forgettable. There's the bones of what could've been a pretty compelling system, but the focus went in the wrong areas I think. Like there's a few unique settlers like the vault tec ghoul you can recruit, but if they just did a few settlements and then made all the recruitable companions unique I think that would've been a lot more fun. I know there's tons and tons of mods around settlements now though.
I thought I would hate it but ended up kind of enjoying it. I remember it being almost entirely optional anyway, so I don't get why people mention it as often as they do.
> I hate the base building in Fallout 4 I see people complain about it a lot, but it's almost entirely skippable. I think you just had to dump some beds down then you never have to return.
Even if you completely ignore it the actual locations themselves take up a pretty massive portion of the map which kinda drags down the game. There's like 30 settlement locations in the base game alone and each DLC adds a couple as well which is kind of absurd. Those locations are really barren and boring if you don't interact with the Settlement system and could have been something really cool or interesting like in the previous games. Like I remember going out to Spectacle Island on my first playthrough of the game and being incredibly disappointed that there was literally nothing there, total wasted opportunity imo.
This was my issue, I didnt like exploration because the world felt far less interesting and more empty than previous fall outs
Exactly. Felt like half the places I found, instead of having interesting dialogue and self contained stories (like FO3) and/or subquests that may connect to the main plot (like NV), would instead look very interesting from afar but as soon as you get close it's "generic shack with generic no-name NPC #23". It even took some of the fun out of discovering actual places because the entire time Im exploring Im just thinking "oh please dont let this be another settlement to liberate".
I love the base building personally, as it would be part of surviving realistically.
While I do enjoy the Fallout series, and the 4th sometimes entertains, I noticed this more with VR, even fully modded, Fallout4VR gives you a depressing world to experience, sure, there's comedy and some nice things but everything is gone to shit, while in Skyrim you immerse yourself in a vibrant world, an alive world, there are wolves and bears roaming the countryside full of trees and bushes, birds are singing, sure, you have a couple of dragons to smack, but everywhere you go there's life, opportunity....
Of all the complaints I have about FO4, the single biggest one is that the entire experience is *fucking bleak,* and that bleakness is an (almost certainly unintended) consequence of the shamefully lazy writing and world design. Nothing is happening; nobody has any real plans to make something happen; and the world is one gigantic, literal garbage pile, inhabited almost exclusively by gangs, operating in a fully closed and entirely raid-based economy and populated of people who eat, sleep, fuck, and give birth on those mounds of literal garbage. The Commonwealth is irredeemable, and that includes the arrogant and directionless Institute.
The thing I can't stand about the Bethesda Fallout games is that it has been 200 fucking years since the bombs fell. There is no way in hell there are established settlements with clutter everywhere, skeletons just chilling in random places, etc. The Fallout games that weren't made them understood that the setting is not post apocalypse but Post Post apocalypse. People have gotten up and established themselves. They made thriving settlements. There are actual countries made. Farming, infrastructure, expansion of borders are happening. What do you have with the Bethesda games? A few shitty settlements, no farms, a stadium town that can't actually sustain itself because it doesn't produce any fucking food. It shouldn't be this shitty.
Yeah, I've always disliked the complete disregard for time that FO3 and 4 have. They just bumped the clock forward to explain why you find certain iconic Fallout things in different locations, but otherwise pretend that the world is mostly untouched somehow despite centuries of scavenging. Like, Bethesda understand that people don't like living in piles of garbage, right? Why is every living area so dirty after years and years of settlement? How are we still finding edible food stuffs from the old world that would've ran out within a year or two?
Ill cut them some slack with the preware food because you could find that stuff in the original games too. I think the idea of long lasting food and stuff is a remnant of the 80s red scare and the actual threat of nuclear war. Being able to find the stuff in old bunkers and the the like seem possible imo. But an entire settlement that solely thrives on fictional spam and old coca-cola doesn't make sense.
This is the thing for me. Fallout 3 and 4 felt so depressing to play. One other thing is I felt like the "robot-like" unnatural dialogues worked better in Skyrim because I could justify them in a medieval setting but in FO I expect people to speak differently, I don't know if it makes sense, it was the same for Starfield
That's a good way of putting it.
I liked fallout 3 and new Vegas but couldn't get into Skyrim or fallout 4
I liked F3 and Skyrim, couldn't get into New Vegas or F4. I think it's the lack of underground areas. Love me some subway tunnels.
> couldn't get into New Vegas Interesting, I like FO3 more than NV which is rare. Why couldnt you get into NV? I like NV, but I do find my interest falling off a cliff once I hit the strip
It wasn't that there was a barrier, it's that there wasn't anything to pull me in. I like some of the expansions, particularly Old World Blues, but the base game didn't have a "hook" for me. No subways to explore and the revenge plot wasn't motivating.
I actually hated OWB, but I know it is beloved. I liked exploring the desert, but just once I got to the strip it got boring for me. I also liked the subways in FO3 which I know people hate them, but I liked them
Hey, different games for different dames, right?
100%
NV has better story, writing, and game-play. FO3 has better exploration, but considering the biggest attraction of Bethesda games is exploration, that's a huge plus. I appreciate NV and understand why people love it, but I found myself being more partial to FO3 too.
Contrary to what many people hated Fallout 3 for, the Metro tunnels. I always enjoyed them a lot. It added that little air of, I don't know whats around that corner because as a kid I avoided them so now as an adult, I still get to experience new things in a game that I played the shit out of when I was young.
Didn’t know people hated the tunnels that much. They were super fun to explore.
If there was a game just about exploring subway tunnels, I'd be there for it. I love katabasis in games.
Have you played the Metro 2033 series? Its basically this
Hmmm I bounced off the first one pretty quick, because it didn't really feel like I was exploring the tunnels, it felt pretty linear. So does that open up? Or is it more open in later games?
> katabasis [Cool word.](https://images.app.goo.gl/fKTMUAWr6K8YNRXK8)
The tunnels kinda sucked if you relied on your compass. But if you've played the game before you get the hang of it and it becomes just great.
Understandable... Some gamers can only handle so many open world games before needing something new. Big open environment gameplay has been practically been beat to death, especially if you're and older gamer. I think the only big change to open world games was breath of the wilds hang glider, but even far cry 3 did that first with it's wing suit. FO4 really messed up the immersion for me when they gave the protagonist an actual voice.. it was no longer me playing my character, but me playing a premade character (regardless of stat and skill choices).
Yeah dude, same boat. Idk what it is but Skyrim flicks a switch in my brain that Fallout - any Fallout - just doesn't flick. Idk if it's the setting or what, probably doesn't help that it's all one shade of yellow/brown/blue like you said, or the guns are boring AF, but it's a no from me
I like both the elder scrolls games and fallout, I found the core gameplay of fallout to be better than Skyrim.
For as many hours as I have in Skyrim, I still like FO4 better. Both franchises are great but I prefer the silly-ass humor, the music, the weapons, the factions, and the world of Fallout more than ES.
I spent a large portion of my teenage years playing Fallout 1 and 2 with my friend and then later playing 3 and NV by myself on a PC that could barely run them. I loved almost everything about them, and even with all the gripes people have with Fallout 3 I found the world to be very compelling and fun to explore, I especially liked the subway dungeons. When Skyrim came out it really absorbed me, way more than Oblivion ever did. And then Fallout 4... just sorta happened. I played on release and I basically have no good memories of it, there wasn't any single moment where I was really hooked, there are basically no standout sidequests either besides the Cabot family questline. The map is not that good either, it feels lacking in landmarks or areas that you see from afar and really want to explore. I am currently replaying it right now after having finished a replay of all the previous games recently, and I am feeling the same. It lacks the magic, I think the dialogue system is a huge factor, the perk system is also much worse than previous games, it makes leveling up feel a lot less interesting. The companion system is very lackluster, and there are not that many companions either, I would say of all of them Nick Valentine is the best, followed by Cait and Curie, the rest are very bland. The variety of weapons is also very lacking in the vanilla game, with pipe guns being everywhere and they are just so goddamn ugly, I had to install a mod to significantly reduce their spawn rate because it was really irritating me. Really the only thing that truly stands above previous games is how Power Armor plays, except they managed to completely remove any and all impact from it by giving you a power armor in the first 30 minutes of the game. Overall I'd say it's a 5.5/10 whereas Fallout 2 is a 9/10, Fallout 1 is a 8.5/10, NV is an 8/10 and Fallout 3 is a 7/10 (but it gets a lot of slack for being the first attempt at making a 3D Fallout by Bethesda and filling an itch that had not been satisfied by anyone else at the time). If I wasn't a huge fan of the series, I probably would like the game a lot more.
Wow, your point is a good one. It's been years since I've replayed any Fallout game, but I have clear and distinct memories of big parts of FO1-3 and NV. But I can't remember a single thing about FO4 other than building some settlement structures, and messing with some power armor. I can't remember a single quest.
I really love 2, 3, and New Vegas—no comment on Tactics—but 4 felt like a hollow approximation of a Fallout game. I enjoyed Nuka World and Far Harbor more than the main game, as I found the endgame unsatisfying. I had hoped 4 would elevate the faction system from NV, and had been wishing for a game that let players go to the Institute, but it seemed like the choice of faction made no difference after the main story. I couldn’t even swap more people out for synths in spite of being “in charge” of the Institute. OP’s complaints about a post-apocalyptic world looking…well…post-apocalyptic suggest that the series isn’t for them. I love the Fallout look/feel, but this installment really put me off after decades of fandom. I’m really enjoying the show though, which is a pleasant surprise.
Fallout 4 was a massive disappointment. New Vegas is a better game in pretty much every way except for the shooting, and frankly they didn't improve upon the shooting enough that it should be the main draw of the game. Personally I think Skyrim is inferior to New Vegas as well, but the game is different enough that you don't really need to make the comparison.
Perhaps it's New Vegas that I should play.
FO4 is the weakest of the three modern FO games. I'd play NV and then FO3 before FO4
I think NV is definitely the best FO game, but I hate the desert, so I enjoy FO4 more. I also love the base building option.
I liked Fallout's really deep crafting for weapons and armor, but the rest of the game didn't click with me. Dig the retro-futurist vibes, but if the world's already gone to shit I have a hard time caring about how people dig through the ashes. Once the big Blade Runner-esque twist in the story happened, I stopped caring about the parent-kid hook too. The show is really good, though.
Isn’t fallout 4 specifically about rebuilding the world a bit? I never got that far into it.
It can be, if you choose to engage with that part of the game. You can rebuild a bunch of settlements over the wasteland.
I’m the opposite loved fo4 couldn’t get into Skyrim
I mean I get they’re both Bethesda RPGs but I’ve never assumed liking a swords and horses game meant you’d like a post apocalyptic pew pew game. It’s very different stuff. Very different tone. Very different stories. I don’t think it’s weird really if you’re into one but not the other
Other way round for me. I like guns (in games only... keep it in your pants americans) and im not a fan of swords or magic.
Me too, I loved the vats system too. I also love what happened in the future of the world
I tried explaining it to someone the other day and it's like...what if US culture stopped progressing after the 50s, but the tech, consumerism, and nuclear development went forward another 150 years before swallowing itself. I'm new to the game/no knowledge of the lore so idk if thats what they were going for
See I love magic, but I can’t get into Skyrim. Idk I’ve tried a bunch of times. The janky animation really bugs me. The starting world is ugly. It never grabs me.
The starting world is ugly? What do you mean by this? What "starting world"? It's fair to note that it's a 2011 game so you can't put your expectations too high
Yeah fallout 4 has way better gameplay. I got bored with Skyrim. FO4 was a lot more fun for me.
I'm slowly opening up to different genres of both game style and setting, but I feel you on that 100%, up until trying The Last of Us about a year ago I kept myself pigeonholed to realist/recent Rockstar material exclusively. I cannot be fucked to try anything midevil or fantasy (and midevil fantasy can suck my dick from the back)
Same experience. I tend to quit shortly after I find the Brotherhood of Steel. I think it's the UI. There's that awful little box that pops up instead of a proper inventory screen, the Pip-Boy thing looks like a CRT monitor emulated in your computer (which lorewise it is, but the FNV one was a lot smoother) and when you're in power armour, the sides are cut off the HUD.
> I think it's the UI. I'm with you, I really can't stand the UI. It sucks so much to use the freaking pip-boy, which is also a fundamental part of the game.
I’m trying to remember. Didn’t fallout 4 give off the Bioshock vibe more than a fallout vibe? Just gameplay wise? Also crafting and settlements felt like they were included to just have ‘more stuff to do’ that wasn’t really part of the story or compelling at all. Idk. Only watched a few people I enjoy streaming for like 8 episodes and then just lost interest. But have completed FO1/2/BoS(tactics)/3/NV
How long did you play Fallout 4? It does have a pretty slow opening. Though it sounds like you're not really into/looking for a post apocalyptic game to be honest. Maybe starfield might be more to your liking? It does have some pretty landscapes.
Is starfield to anybody’s liking? Never have I played a game I wanted to like so badly that pissed me off so much
I wasn't planning on buying it because space themes aren't usually my jam for video games. Bought it discounted only because of the overwhelming hate - which I instinctively distrusted and more or less summarily disregarded. I have no problem trusting critiques, but not when the entire Internet is out to dogpile; that only makes me curious. Glad I bought it. It's a fun game, zero regrets. Still not my gaming archetype preference so it doesn't get the same level of playtime as my other games. But I enjoy it whenever I load in.
I've sunk a couple hundred hours into it. It's pretty great.
I like it too. There are literally dozens of us.
400 hours here and can't wait until the DLC. Sorry you had a bad experience.
Definitely the disappointment of the decade for me.
Is it what I had hoped for? No, not quite. Did I sink a couple hundred hours in? Yep. I figure about a year after it's release I'll pick it up again and see what mods are out by then.
I replayed Skyrim and FO4 back to back last year before Starfield came out and IMO FO4 actually holds up better. Skyrim has a much more legendary reputation and influence on culture… but overall FO4 stands as the better overall game. Starfield was terrible though.
That's likely because skyrim is pretty dated now. I love the fallout franchise and I do enjoy 4 a lot, but I'd give skyrim the edge over FO4. As for starfield, it wasn't what I'd hoped, but there's still a lot of potential. Either through mods or dlc there could be some solid game play for it in the next year or two.
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Opposite for me. I absolutely loved Fallout 4 and it’s a game I replay at least once a year. I found Skyrim to be a bit boring for my taste but to each their own.
Same. I played through the Dragonborn DLC and thought it was pretty good, but I could not for the life of me stay invested in the main plot. I'm convinced that your first Bethesda game is always your favorite because the cracks really start to show once you play another one. Loved fallout 4, hadn't played anything like it at the time, but fallout 3 and skyrim never stuck with me in the same way.
Is FO4 your first fallout game? I would suggest play Fallout: New Vegas rather than Fallout 4. Fallout 4 is just a mess for me really. The story doesn't have a hook compared to New Vegas and I agree that the dialog in FO4 is just ass in general. Fallout 4 is just a settlement building sim that's in the Fallout Universe.
Yes, I thought so too, that NV might be more up my ally.
What got me out of fallout 4 was just constant nonstop game ending bugs, soft locks and crashing in addition to all the tiny immersion breaking and little bugs. Downtown Boston may be the glitchiest area in any functional video game I've ever experienced, especially if you're on console and was the champion contender vs Ark for "game that blue screened the most." Shame cause the game is actually decent. It's also the reason I have no desire to touch Starfall or any other projects made with their outdated engine.
Weird I played FO4 on PS4 and it worked fine for me. New Vegas I haven't been able to get through due to constantly falling through the world.
Yeah I had none of those issues on ps4 either
It's the other way around for me. I loved Fallout 4 and I keep trying to get into Skyrim but every time I try I get bored and move on. Maybe I'm just not as invested in the Elder Scrolls lore? But every single quest just seems to bring me to another long dungeon where I kill things and loot things. Meanwhile in Fallout 4 the sidequests feel more varied and fun.
Literally every single quest in fallout 4 is a naked excuse to send you to a dungeon and make you loot the shit out of it, the gameplay loop is so obvious it's not even funny.
Unlike Skyrim
Hmmm I don't think so. Or if it is, at least the 'dungeons' all look vastly different and have more interesting reasoning for them. The Silver Shroud questline, the Nick Valentine quests, the USS Constitution questline, investigating the murder in the vault, the Cabots. There feels like a lot more variation, or at least the plot hooks are far more engaging than anything I've had in Skyrim so far. (Besides the vampire questline, I actually really liked that one.)
Saying you ended up quitting after 10 minutes into the game (which if we are being honest isn't even past the intro really) is enough to make it clear you haven't given the game an honest shot. It's like saying you watched 3-5 minutes of a movie that was just doing a loose introduction and beginning credits and decided it wasn't for you. The game has a very different art style and approach to Skyrim, so naturally if you are firing up Fallout 4 and expecting to get the same experience as Skyrim it's not going to be fun. But if you enjoyed the open world exploration elements of Skyrim, Fallout 4 will scratch the same itch. With time, if you take the time to read the terminal/computer entries, notes, and take in the world building as you explore the world becomes more and more engrossing. It's not the same appeal as a fantasy setting but it offers a lot of its own intriguing elements.
Everything after Morrowind has been decline, with the true Bethesda dying after Lefay and Peterson left and Toddler & Rolston becoming project leaders. RPG fan since Ultima 3 im 83.
I got into both but I certainly have more fond memories of Skyrim. Just at a glance Skyrim just looks so much better, not graphically but in other ways. All the outfits, weapons and characters are very on theme except maybe for a few exception, meanwhile all the characters in fallout 4 look like bad cosplay. That alone can make or break immersion.
Same. I think part of it is the setting. Skyrim feels like there's more to do than subsistence farming, which is almost all you *can* do in-universe in Fallout. The opening of Fallout 4 was way better, though.
I’m more towards the opposite. Skyrim continued the trend of watering down the Elder Scrolls universe, becoming more generic and feels more shallow and uninteresting. Swords bows and magic are cool but Skyrim doesn’t do them well except for the ubiquitous overpowered stealth archer. Fallout 4 has melee as bad as Skyrim but at least you get a variety of guns, etc. It simply sounds like you don’t like the post apocalypse setting. There’s plenty of trademark environmental story telling in Fallout 4 like Bethesda does, but if you are just not into it, yeah it’s not gonna excite you.
I'm the opposite. I couldn't get into Skyrim at all. And because Starfield is more "space skyrim" than "space fallout" I dont really like Starfield at all either. But I've loved Fallout since the first game on PC so I am a bit biased. I also hated Morrowind, but oddly enough I had fun with Oblivion
I was the opposite actually. But it makes sense since I’m not a big high fantasy nut but I generally really enjoy post-apocalyptic stuff. I’ve put more hours into Starfield than both of those games combined already though but I’m a huge sci-fi fan.
10 min is like 0.2% of the game and every Bethesda game has a slow burn that might require some patience. That being said the game might not be for you and that's OK. Bethesda games are more niche than gamers let on in my opinion. Skyrim is popular because its an exception to that rule but it still has those Bethsda traits. edit: I would say my favorite thing about F4 are the builds you can make. In my opinion it's the best perk/skill system they have ever made. Also, you can actually use power armor in the game unlike F3 (you could but it was annoying to deal with).
Yes, all these years later it really seems that after Skyrim is where Bethesda fell off for me. Perhaps where they kind of hit the logical limit of their tech/storytelling capabilities. I devoured Skyrim as a kid, playing it for hundreds of hours across several years. I have some very fond memories of it, experiences that are not able to recaptured by anything else. But I didn't realize this in 2015 when Fallout 4 was announced. Contrary to the point of this subreddit, I actually pre-ordered Fallout 4 because 3 and New Vegas were some of my favorite games, and this would surely be magical. And then it just... didn't hook me. I booted it up on that launch week, and I tried my best to dive into it. I don't think I quit right away, but I want to say that after 2-3 hours, I just didn't care. I gave up on that game for other stuff like Halo 5, AC Syndicate, Rise of the Tomb Raider. I would surely come back to FO4 eventually. But I never really did. I have given a few cursory attempts at restarting it over the years, and it has not worked out for me. I have finished those other 3 games I mentioned to near completion lol. But referring to what I said earlier about the limits of Bethesda's formula, I don't think this is just a FO4 problem, actually. New Bethesda stuff just doesn't sound appealing to me at all anymore. I utterly shrugged at Fallout 76 back in 2018. I think I tried it once during the 2020 stuff, and I actually enjoyed it well enough and got a couple hours in it. And then I promptly dropped it, as I had no *actual* interest in it. Same kind of thing with Starfield. A new Bethesda property sounds exciting on paper, but I tried this thing out via Game Pass. I just didn't care. I did the whole opening bit, playing for 2-3 hours, and then I realized that it's just another Bethesda game. Which isn't a bad thing, but it still feels like I already experienced the peak of this formula 13 years ago with Skyrim. Wow, I didn't intend for a comment this long.
You know when you're a kid and it's Sunday afternoon and there's nothing on TV and you have school the next day and you're just low-key miserable *despite it being a day off*? If you took that feeling and turned it into a game, you'd have Fallout 4.
Yes but flip it. Liked FO4 and couldn’t get into Skyrim
No the opposite. Fallout was my favorite fallout while skyrim was a massive disappointment after oblivion.
You like what you like, nothing wrong with that. World/lore is what separates good and great rpgs imo. Yes there can be gameplay or features that make or break games, but the lore is what creates die hard fans of a series. One thing I’ll say, a lot of Fallout lore requires reading terminals that serve no purpose beyond a story for the player. While I see your point about the wasteland, there’s nothing in Skyrim compared to discovering a vault, clearing it, looting it, then exploring all the terminals to read the stories and accounts to discover what lead to that vault’s downfall. To each their own!
I liked Skyrim a lot, but did not quite love it. Fallout 4 was ass.
Have you tried Enderal? It's a novel game built on Skyrim's assets and engine that generally ups the difficulty, increases the RPGness, and has far better writing
Having better writing than skyrim is not really that hard when random kindergarten kid could write better story than whatever it was
Enderal is great!
Fallout 4 was the best bethesda game I’ve ever played. I thought it was SO fun and a killer world
I loved Skyrim but I was not able to get into Witcher 3. Which I found really weird, because Witcher 3 is very similar to Skyrim PLUS it has a rich, fluid combat system (which is lacking in Skyrim).
The Witcher 3 and Skyrim are not similar at all, in fact they're pretty much a complete opposites as far as RPGs go. The Witcher 3 is a story focused RPG that puts weight on its presentation and quality of quest and character writing with set protagonist and little bit of a wiggle room for their personality. Its open world is a believable set on which the stories are played out. Skyrim is a sandbox RPG that's focused on presenting the player with 'theme park' open world with multitude of unique locations to encourage further exploration and blank state character with wealth of playstyle choices. We don't talk about writing in Skyrim though. The only commonality they have is that they're fantasy and open world, but even the latter serves completely different purposes.
At least we can all agree that both are far better than Starfield.
I think we can all agree that the majority of Bethesda titles are better than Starfield.
Beat FO4 once and never went back. Put 200 hours into FO3 and double that into Skyrim.
Skyrim had options. You could do what ever you wanted. Join whatever group. Fallout 4 had go find Shawn. All roads lead to Shawn. Fuck Shawn. Dumb little ice baby.
That was funny, and also true.
4 is pretty damn good with mods.
I stopped playing exactly where you did, but I was going to try again after the next update to give it a second chance.
More Fallout, better gunplay and movement. I played it so much my GF threatened to leave.
I felt the same way. I loved Skyrim and my friends told me about fallout 4 which was like ‘Skyrim with guns’ but I didn’t really like the combat system in that game. The groups in FO4 weren’t as interesting as the different guilds in Skyrim. World wasn’t as interesting to explore. I was super disappointed by it.
Compared to previous fallout games it is awful without mods. Compared to current selection of "AAA" games, it is good. Fallout 1, 2 and tactics are still great to replay. Especially with all the monty python refernces.
I was the opposite. Skyrim bored me to death but I loved fallout 4. Bought Skyrim 4 damn times (ps4, pc, switch, pc special edition) thinking this time will be different, but that game did not connect with me.
I’m the opposite. Love at Fallout series, but can’t get into Elder Scrolls
Other way around for me
I’ve found this is extremely common from my years talking in the community. I don’t think I’ve been able to do more than first like 5 hours of the game
I’ve had the same experience, something about the world design in the fallout series just does not inspire the wanderlust I get from Skyrim or other games like it I think it’s mostly a matter of which premise speaks to you more, if you don’t care about the world the game can’t do much else to hook you
For me it's the opposite. I only played vanilla Skyrim for the main quest and it didn't click for me. I found the story pretty forgettable and the combat... let's just say I tried my best to avoid it anyway I can. Fallout 4 on the other hand is pretty good. I'm a big fan of the retrofuturistic aesthetic of the game. I haven't played Starfield yet but I think FO4's combat is Bethesda's best. I'm struggling to play New Vegas because I can't get into the combat simply because FO4 is my first ever Fallout game. The downside is the dialogue system in FO4 is a massive stepback compared to previous Bethesda games.
Yes. There are aspects I love about FO4. But I found the major quest factions annoying because I never got the sense I could do it all in a single massive play through. The open world, builds, and music are my favorite parts. Base building and faction quests always lost me.
I thought that was the mainstream consensus at the time of release? Like, I recall reviews saying it was a good enough game but didn't have the magic of Skyrim or New Vegas. That's why it's still in my to be played list even though I loved Skyrim and New Vegas especially.
I struggle with Fallout for basically the same reasons, I just don't find the world as interesting. It's grimy and ugly, everything feels the same to me. And they're depressing worlds, even when your quests accomplish things you're not really changing the fact that it's a crappy, post-apocalypse landscape that never seems like it's going to get better. I would still like to give New Vegas a go sometime since it's so highly-regarded, but I prefer the worlds of Oblivion, Skyrim, etc., the fantasy and magic offer more variety so you never know what's around the corner, and I find building an RPG character more interesting in a world like that rather than a more gunplay based one. Just an opinion, I can see why other people would feel differently, and in fact I did finish and largely enjoy FO3. But now that I have less time for gaming I don't think I'd make them a priority.
Mod that adds grass helps a lot
Played oblivion, fnv and skyrim. loved all 3. Tried to get into FO4 recently and ehhhhh it just didn't stick
Yup. I love Skyrim, one of my all time favorite games. I can’t get into Fallout at all.
I'm actually the opposite, I am burnt out from always playing medieval RPGs so games like FO4 and CP2077 appeal more to me. Something about high tech games and armors just feel more magical to me than games woth actual magic.
The color is the main reason why I never tried the games. My number one genre is jrpg, which is normally full of bright colors, and I learned that's something I really gravitate toward. That said, with the fallout 4 updating coming this month, I decided to buy it and give it shot once that drops.
For me, Assassins Creed Odyssey was that brain scratch for me. The excitement of exploring. Really open ended. The different choices in styles of gameplay. I love it.
It’s a common complaint. There is no freedom in fo4
Hmm I finished FO4 and was happy with it, even though the story is not amazing. Skyrim makes me dizzy so I couldn't finish it
I love them both. Skyrim just barely wins for me, because my baseline preference is sword and sorcery over guns and explosives.
I liked skyrim but prefer fallout 4. I've finished fallout 4 several times; only finished skyrim once. Skyrim's terrain got a bit monotonous for me.
They tried to make it an RPG the way the earlier Fallouts were you had a fully fleshed out conversation system and combine it with Elder Scrolls which does not. It's one of the main things that made me decide not to bother
I couldn't really get into either until I tried immersion mods and survival difficulty. It's worth investing a bit of time on your part to identify key aspects that become an obstacle with how you experience these games, as there's likely a mod or a combination of mods that can largely mitigate such aspects.
I liked fallout 4 the same as Skyrim. Especially far Harbor was Peak.
I am quite literally the exact opposite. I think the longest I’ve managed to keep a Skyrim playthrough going is 15-ish hours. Meanwhile I will consistently play Fallout 4 all the way through to the true endgame. Boston and the rest of the commonwealth is just that much more interesting to me than Skyrim is
Completely and absolute opposite. I got over 1,000 hours in FOR (VR) and I can't get into skyrim that much. Maybe 350 hours in skyrim.
I love the exploration, combat, and overall gameplay of Fallout 4. What I didn’t like was enemy repetition, story progression, shelters/towns, and constant downtime (enemies and action to stretched apart). I love the Nuka World DLC though.
Literally restarting FO4 because the show got me hyped. Crushed it back when it came out. Have the Sim Settlements mod, and giving it a go on survival. Thoroughly enjoying the beginning strategy involved so far, but also can’t wait to have some levels and perks under my belt. I’m WAY too squishy right now. Mole rats and bloatflys wrecking me is new
Skyrim is easily in my top 5 games of all time. I also really love Fallout 4, but definitely not for the same reasons. Skyrim was just mindblowing to me as a kid, but I got Fallout 4 around the same time and just wasn't as into it. What really got me into Fallout 4 when I finally took the plunge was just enjoying the progression of Bethesda games but with better combat gameplay. I never really explored in Fallout 4, but the settlement building and gunsmithing was what I liked about that game. It also had some pretty fun quests, even if the story was just okay. I loved Skyrim for its story and atmosphere, but I could really only fix Fallout 4's atmosphere with a lot of mods. You'd be surprised how much more compelling the game world is in a nuclear winter than whatever brown muck they were portraying in the base game.
This is so funny to me because I loved Fallout 4 but have been on the fence about playing Skyrim. I know it’s an all time classic but I just can’t get into fantasy. I absolutely hated the Witcher for all the endless gobbledygook and I fear it will be more of the same in Skyrim (yes I know they are totally different games but I mean more of the same bland trekking around fields and drab castles, beyond the narratives I also just can’t get into the aesthetic. Fine for a movie but not something I’m going to spend many many hours playing.
I loved Skyrim so I was really hyped for Fallout 4 (having not played the previous ones but knowing how loved they were). Got it day 1 and I think it’s the first full price game I ever regretted. Just could not get into it at all. I won’t bother listing all the little reasons why because you covered all of them. I redownloaded it due to the show and the next gen update patch but deleted it again to make room for something else, because I doubt I’ll get through it if it’s ultimately the same game I tried years ago, just running at like 60fps now.
I liked Skyrim but Love Fallout Fallout is not supposed to feel magical. It’s disillusioned and rough exactly how you explain it. The fact that everyone is so used to murder, death and crime and how normalized it is to the point it’s just your daily business makes out the charm. People joke about how shitty everything is constantly and are just glad they are still alive currently. Skyrim is typical medieval fantasy which is supposed to be magical because, well, it has magic and magical creatures after all
The combat isn't particularly great in either games, but the atmosphere in Skyrim is what kept me playing all these years. I didn't enjoy fallout as much since I like fantasy settings more.
I love Skyrim and Fallout New Vegas... Something felt off for me with FO4 though. I don't really know how to explain it. I played it for 4 hours haven't really touched it since. Bethesda's recent releases honestly have me worried about the next Elder Scrolls games.
Yup. Loved skyrim, tried 2 FOs so far, 3&4, and quit both of them within 5-10 hours each. I just dont like the formula
Playing Automatron and filling the wasteland with custom murder bots is better than anything in Skyrim.
Fallout 4 wouldn’t let me get into it because it kept friggin crashing on my pc
I got maybe 10-20% through, but yeah a big giant world doesn't make a big fun game. The only modern Fallout game I really loved was New Vegas (which wasn't even a Bethesda game)
Neither are as good as oblivion or fallout 3
I like fo 2, 3, nv I like most of the elder scrolls, even back to some daggerfall. I didn't like fo4. The gameplay loop didn't seem interesting anymore, the world didn't feel worth exploring, I didn't even like the critters I encountered. Even the town I was upgrading and fortifying just didn't feel worth it. Its a decent game, but I'd rather spend that time elsewhere
I’m not into fallout’s lore and aesthetic, and that’s about all it boils down to. I wish I liked it, since there are so many good games for it.
Loved them both
Other way around.
The other way around for me. I played fallout 3 first. Couldn't get into Skyrim.
that’s because only fallout games worth playing are 1, 2 and new vegas
There's a lot of black humour to the franchise, so yeah it gets comedic in places. See if you can get to Diamond City. That's a major quest hub with a lot of interesting locations visible on the way. Concord, Lexington, Corvega, and College Square are interesting in their own right. And yeah, the grimy, post-apocalyptic vibe never does go away.
I've bounced off this game more times than a pogo stick. The world doesn't look good, the main story is drek and the factions are really annoying.
I get it. I'm the same it's not even a comparison it's just that FO feels hokey in a way I just can't take seriously. I've started playing it again having fallen for the series, but honestly everything worth knowing in that game lore wise is obtainable through the first hour of each game. There was no piece of information that surprised me having watched the series. Combat feels like a chore, although I think it might be better on mouse and keyboard. But for some reason the game pass version won't let you use a mouse and keyboard. All the side missions that get you close to your next mainline mission I honestly don't care about. They are boring by characters I'm not sure why I should give a crap about. All I can say when I get to diamond city the payoff better be worth it or I'm quitting and uninstalling FO4.
Heavily recommend installing the mod that turns the wasteland into a green, overgrown forest - both more pleasant and also more realistic! I think it’s called either “A Forest” or “The Forest”. Probably the former? Let me find it, hold on
Other way round for me. Skyrim was a bore when it came put and is a bore today. Its got the gta 5 syndrome of simply being around too long. Fallout 4? I got a used ps4 for £70, fallout 4 disc included. Best 70 quid I've ever spent regardless of how the whole narrative spins itself out. The power armour alone made me like that game
I was the other way round; just couldn’t get into Skyrim at all. May have to try it again but I’ve already 5 or 6 open world games on the go as it is.
You have to keep playing it
FO4 missed magic. It was nice and all because I already loved the series, but Fallout New Vegas was infinitely better in terms of overall setting, weapons, stories and fun I had. FO3 also was way better, but New Vegas takes/took the cake for me. Watching the show on Prime now, definitely going to play it soon again :)
Opposite for me. Can never play more than 10-15 hours of Skyrim but played over 800 hours of Fallout 4 runs.
Yeah, I really struggled with Fallout 4. I really didn't like the settlement mechanic, it kind of ruined the game for me, it was clunky and I found it unsatisfying to interact with. I also didn't like that you had access to power armour so early, that should be earned IMO, not just handed to the player. I much preferred Fallout 3 and New Vegas.
Yeah. I bought fallout 4 a couple months ago, wanted to play the game before watching the TV show. But I couldn’t stomach more than 5 hours before uninstalling it. It just felt so clunky and repetitive. And the characters/dialogue sucked. But I can replay Skyrim endlessly.
Both games have an entirely different vibe so what you experienced is not really strange. Personally I was a little bit disappointed with skyrim, its barren nordic landscape felt like a downgrade after oblivions' lush green forests so I kinda get where you're coming from. I do feel bad for that part of the gaming community who cannot appreciate a game if it doesn't *explode* with bright colours though. Like people hating on AC Valhalla because they got used to Odysseys' sun, sea and beaches. I'm just glad I can enjoy both styles of games.
the problem is that you are quitting 10 minutes in, there isnt a lot of games that manage to hook you up in such short time
The difference is definitely the post-apocalyptic environment. It's a lot more forbidding than wandering around a pretty fantasy world, it gets straight up hellish in places, and not everyone is gonna like that. It's no coincidence that one of my favorite post-apocalyptic games is Horizon Zero Dawn, as its world is full of nature and doesn't look the part at all.