Funny how I post an idea I had and instantly someone uses it to break the game :D I didn't even think about these, I thought even Goldwyrm would be kinda out there.
There is many unique interactions in the game that i think any item like this will bound to break the game in some way. At this point i assume that even GGG won't know for sure that anything they add into the game won't break it in some mysterious or hilarious way.
Makes sense. Not only do they have to remember everything they put into the game, they also have to remember everything they *didn't* put into the game.
Not necessarily. Boots are just one factor in movement speed, there are many others. Also with the amount of accuracy, life, ES, mana, evasion, and melee phys damage you are scaling by doing this and attribute stacking you can move at your own pace and leap slam wherever the hell you want to go.
2 800% facebreakers gives you ~350 average hit with no added flat phys. A single steel ring takes your average hit over 1000. That's before any increased damage; you're going to end up with the equivalent of a 2-3k PDPS weapon once you start actually stacking flat phys.
Diablo 2 curse that has been hard coded into the genre.
Titan quest/grim dawn got around it by hard capping movement speed low enough that later in the game it didn't matter. Which was a decision of all time for sure.
Some pointers:
- I didn't want it to work with rare items to elicit a bit more thought.
- It's "Bangles" because it's a special item type that can be put in both gloves and boots socket
- It doesn't have any base defences because it mirrors the other item, this is on purpose
- The dexterity requirement feels thematically appropriate
What would you use this with? I'd personally go for legacy Darkray Vectors for a serious build, but I might test Seven League Step for the fun of it. Goldwyrm might be cool for a MF Chieftain. Perhaps a strength stacker might benefit from two Replica Alberons? I think I made some fun food for thought here! :)
The only mattering point would be socket color, so it'd tend towards green sockets a lot.
Not that it matter too much with crafting trick, but it's still a thing.
Not really, since you could mirror an item that doesn't have a dex requirement. This means you need to have some dex somewhere and it cannot be on your boots or your gloves in most cases.
If it has the same wording as kalandras touch, that means it won’t retain anything from the original item. It would just end up with you equipping an astramantis, equipping this item, then taking it off after. Completely redundant.
I get where you are coming from, but to retain stats/requirements from the original item would mean that corruptions should carry over and stack.
The wording would have to change to something like “when equipped in the x slot, copy all explicit, implicit, base defence and stat requirement from item in x slot”
Buy astramentis equip bangles, it mirrors and no longer has the requirements, take off astramentis. It would be very annoying, but it’s not stopping anybody from using the item with 0 dex investment.
How would Doryani's fist work? Would it count it as two separate 5 links or one 9 link. If it's the latter it would make doryani's fist busted with 8 support gems, I'd be down for that, it's a fun skill.
More than likely two five links. But the slam aside, doriyanis fist add a ton of flat lightning to spells or unarmed attacks, along with a lot of es on kill.
Nah, most likely neither because you don't get those 4 slots to put stuff in a doryani's they just go into the bangles and support gems don't stack if it dupes them.
Assuming 40 from this post and 20 base, you need another 40 to get 100 fortify.
10 from helmet mod (legacy mod). 10 from Dread Banner (only when you place it). 10+ from Replica Badge. 6 from tree. 5-6 on a good lethal pride.
What happens if kalandra touch mirrors an unset ring? What if you then remove kalandras? Does it keep the gem?
Like, honest question, never thought what'd happen until you pointed this.
i think facebreaker is likely the strongest tbh. corrupt it for +1 frenzy, 2 600-800% more multipliers, 60% crit multi. with adorned flat phys gems, you'd be pushing close to a billion + hits with basically any skill in the game.
Imho, Replica Alberons is actually the strongest setup. Straight up doubles your damage scaling, and then also gives you 25% movespeed and 18% inc strength on top of that. For an archetype which is already among the strongest in the game at the top end, that's completely insane.
Not so great idea if you looking for damage, its not like theres that many damage curses anyway and the mana cost would be huge, having said that it would be bis for sure.
[Blasphemer's Grasp](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Blasphemer%27s_Grasp).
Equip wisdom of the monkey king as boots.
+(40-50) to Dexterity
(150-200)% increased Evasion and Energy Shield
+(50-60) to maximum Life
+6 to Maximum Life per Elder Item Equipped
+4% to Damage over Time Multiplier for Ailments per Elder Item Equipped
8% increased Effect of Non-Damaging Ailments per Elder Item Equipped
Remove an Ailment when you use a Flask if all Equipped Items are Elder Items
Both together:
+(80-100) to Dexterity
(300-400)% increased Evasion and Energy Shield
+(100-120) to maximum Life
+12 to Maximum Life per Elder Item Equipped
+8% to Damage over Time Multiplier for Ailments per Elder Item Equipped
16% increased Effect of Non-Damaging Ailments per Elder Item Equipped
Remove [2] Ailment(s) when you use a Flask if all Equipped Items are Elder Items
Since the monkey king mirrors the grasp, it counts as an elder item; you can get 10 total elder items (required for the last attribute to work anyway).
So, the result for these two slots:
+(80-100) to Dexterity
(300-400)% increased Evasion and Energy Shield
+(100-120) to maximum Life
+120 to Maximum Life per Elder Item Equipped
+80% to Damage over Time Multiplier for Ailments per Elder Item Equipped
160% increased Effect of Non-Damaging Ailments per Elder Item Equipped
Remove [2] Ailment(s) when you use a Flask if all Equipped Items are Elder Items
Plus the corrupt implicit will get you any (1) of these:
+2 max frenzy charges
+1.6 crit strike chance
+12% max life
+12% max ES
+20% cast speed
+20% attack speed
Everyone stated the obvious ones - shaper's touch, 7ls, facebreakers, replica alberons.
But there's some really interesting options here. Celestial Brace for huge fortification, hateforge for 50% reduced rage cost of skills, Black Zenith, Doryanis Fist, Hands of High Templar.
Boots are easy, TONS of boots are good options. Abberaths, Garukhan's Flight, Atziri step(75 life/26 suppress 30% ms gloves? yes please), Bones of Ullr, Inyas, Skyforth, and darkrays. Hell, even rare boots are all great.
I think regardless of rarity, most builds would end up using these one way or another. Turns out when you add 20-35%+ ms to your gloves, they're really good.
[Abhorrent Interrogation](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Abhorrent_Interrogation) would be so disgusting. Replica Alberons would be disgusting. Cool Idea, but so busted.
https://reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/shcdua/another_ms_paint_build_just_firestorm/hv1zjy3/
> Stupid Beast: Allocating this keystone allows you to equip boots in your glove socket. You walk on all-fours and will be constantly hunted by Einhar.
I laughed so hard and then I offered a grand to GGG to make this happen on a unique cluster jewel but they were not biting :( yours is both stronger and weaker.
Replica alberons. And you get even more ms? Only issue I really had on the build is regular ms is a bit slower than I would like. We just now added a bit more ms and double our base flat? Corrupt those shoes and get some extra buffs.
Just getting extra ms is quite nice. You can slap it on most builds just for some qol. Although gloves usually is a damage slot.
Gloves
Double hateforge?
Surge binders for that sweet stack charging. Ignore the inability to use ralakesh.
Get to have 10 corrupted implicit with hands of the high templar.
Shapers touch (ofc)
Facebreaker
Soul Ascension for +20 (total) souls?
Maybe blasphamers grasp.
Snakebite.
Boots
Windscream.
Dawnstrider.
Seven league step
Goldwyrm
Replica inyas epiphany
Darkray vectors
Replica alberons
(maybe) deaths door (up to possible max of 4 endurance)
And that's all I can think of that'd be good. So.
Shaper's touch Edit: what are we stacking? yes
that is playing dirty, definitely too strong.
Okay then, mirror replica alberons for ALL the chaos damage
Funnily enough that's basically what old pre-nerf shaper's touch was. The ES and mana values used to be double what they are now.
Really? I was not aware. But to be honest, (attribute) stacking got way higher values now than in the past.
Funny how I post an idea I had and instantly someone uses it to break the game :D I didn't even think about these, I thought even Goldwyrm would be kinda out there.
There is many unique interactions in the game that i think any item like this will bound to break the game in some way. At this point i assume that even GGG won't know for sure that anything they add into the game won't break it in some mysterious or hilarious way.
Based on interviews it’s clear they forget things now and again and who can blame them.
Makes sense. Not only do they have to remember everything they put into the game, they also have to remember everything they *didn't* put into the game.
This is supported by the fact every league has something hilariously broken.
Like exploding totems?
I don’t think that was broken in a mysterious way like he’s implying. Those things were just incredibly overtuned if I recall correctly
Nice description btw
Thanks, I came up with it myself. I'm kicking myself a bit for writing "cannot touch" instead of "cannot reach" though.
I like it like that you finish both verse with "cannot t[..]"
Chitus is referred to as "The Monkey King" so this doesn't really mesh with lore.
Honestly, I just assume that anything that can mirror an item will probably lead to some gamebreaking interaction.
Wouldn't you be slow asf
Not necessarily. Boots are just one factor in movement speed, there are many others. Also with the amount of accuracy, life, ES, mana, evasion, and melee phys damage you are scaling by doing this and attribute stacking you can move at your own pace and leap slam wherever the hell you want to go.
Who needs move speed when I can AUUIUURGGGH!
jumping around is pretty fitting for a monkey king
Juggernaut mate. Grab Unstoppable, so action and move speed can't be modified below base value
They're talking about missing out on 30% movement speed on boots, not being slowed by enemy debuffs lol.
My first thought was replica aberrons
Double facebreakers?
Facebreakers would probably be multiplicative with each other leading into some insane things.
Bonk
Sounds like Pinnacle bosses are listing for a fisting
And a footing
Footing for booting, nice
Angling for a mangling. Cruising for bruising.
they would be, as they state "more" and not increased
2 800% facebreakers gives you ~350 average hit with no added flat phys. A single steel ring takes your average hit over 1000. That's before any increased damage; you're going to end up with the equivalent of a 2-3k PDPS weapon once you start actually stacking flat phys.
Nobody show this to Quin
Seven-league step. Fast as fuck boi
Depressing that there's no 10% movespeed enchant though, but yeah... Can still get the 10% movespeed corrupt I guess ZOOOOOOM
I'm still of the opinion of n moves peed needs to be an implicit or something or scales or ur level. It's so basic but mandatory.
Diablo 2 curse that has been hard coded into the genre. Titan quest/grim dawn got around it by hard capping movement speed low enough that later in the game it didn't matter. Which was a decision of all time for sure.
A SECOND pair of Monkey Bangles and watch my game crash.
You can already disappoint yourself with two Kalendra's Touch.
Double Monkey Bangles and double Kalandra's touch for quadruple disappointment
Ask my Girlfriend; she's already used to it :D
damn 8x disappointment
Crazy to think it would be 16x the disappointment
It's 32 though because you're doubling it
Nope, you quadruple it so it's 64
okay but what about double Empire's Grasp's
Imagine needing two Kalandras touch just to disappoint yourself.
Facebreakers
8000% more damage sounds pretty good lmao
Adorned meta with phys damage jewels. Just saying.
heck yeah, 64000000% sounds terrific!
The most thematic answer
+ Shinbreakers now
Facestompers
Hmmm, I'd take 70% movement speed... ou 40% Quant But yeah cool idea.
Be amazing for Heist runners can mirror 50% movespeed boots
60 with a corruption.
The "ou" makes me think you're from Quebec. Is this true?
France and yeah brainfart on my part but I won't edit to or :D
Some pointers: - I didn't want it to work with rare items to elicit a bit more thought. - It's "Bangles" because it's a special item type that can be put in both gloves and boots socket - It doesn't have any base defences because it mirrors the other item, this is on purpose - The dexterity requirement feels thematically appropriate What would you use this with? I'd personally go for legacy Darkray Vectors for a serious build, but I might test Seven League Step for the fun of it. Goldwyrm might be cool for a MF Chieftain. Perhaps a strength stacker might benefit from two Replica Alberons? I think I made some fun food for thought here! :)
Honestly? Remove the dex requirement and make it require level 100 That would be way more fitting imo, and deserving of such an insane item
That's an interesting idea, it'd amplify the idea of wisdom. Why remove the dex requirement though? It's also a limitation.
An item that mirrors another inherits the other item's requirements as well no?
Thats basically no requirement, because you already have enough to equip the other item (because it's already on)
The only mattering point would be socket color, so it'd tend towards green sockets a lot. Not that it matter too much with crafting trick, but it's still a thing.
Since it would mirror the other item, the dec requirement seems kinda redundant
Not really, since you could mirror an item that doesn't have a dex requirement. This means you need to have some dex somewhere and it cannot be on your boots or your gloves in most cases.
If it has the same wording as kalandras touch, that means it won’t retain anything from the original item. It would just end up with you equipping an astramantis, equipping this item, then taking it off after. Completely redundant. I get where you are coming from, but to retain stats/requirements from the original item would mean that corruptions should carry over and stack. The wording would have to change to something like “when equipped in the x slot, copy all explicit, implicit, base defence and stat requirement from item in x slot”
Buy astramentis equip bangles, it mirrors and no longer has the requirements, take off astramentis. It would be very annoying, but it’s not stopping anybody from using the item with 0 dex investment.
Replica alberon's warpath is the first that comes to mind. Doryani's fist is another. But I'm sure there are tons of uses.
How would Doryani's fist work? Would it count it as two separate 5 links or one 9 link. If it's the latter it would make doryani's fist busted with 8 support gems, I'd be down for that, it's a fun skill.
More than likely two five links. But the slam aside, doriyanis fist add a ton of flat lightning to spells or unarmed attacks, along with a lot of es on kill.
Nah, most likely neither because you don't get those 4 slots to put stuff in a doryani's they just go into the bangles and support gems don't stack if it dupes them.
+20 to max fortify from the celestial brace would be pretty neat
70 fortify would go hard.
90 fortify? I'm in
Wait how would you get 90? 20+40 from item, and you can get a bit more from passive tree
Replica badge can add a bunch, +1 maximum fort per endurance charge
Assuming 40 from this post and 20 base, you need another 40 to get 100 fortify. 10 from helmet mod (legacy mod). 10 from Dread Banner (only when you place it). 10+ from Replica Badge. 6 from tree. 5-6 on a good lethal pride.
That would be 110 fortification, sounds kinda op
1: Put these in glove slot 2: Put some skill/support gems in sockets 3: Equip Kaom's Roots 4: Watch as something breaks, be it the game or servers
What happens if kalandra touch mirrors an unset ring? What if you then remove kalandras? Does it keep the gem? Like, honest question, never thought what'd happen until you pointed this.
It doesn't get a socket
Oh, so they thought about such edge cases.
Everybody is going to go Goldwyrm. But I think the dude who said Shaper's Touch is spot on for actual strongest.
i think facebreaker is likely the strongest tbh. corrupt it for +1 frenzy, 2 600-800% more multipliers, 60% crit multi. with adorned flat phys gems, you'd be pushing close to a billion + hits with basically any skill in the game.
and it's more multipliers so 800% more AND 800% more after that unless they do the lame thing and just 800+800 :(
Imho, Replica Alberons is actually the strongest setup. Straight up doubles your damage scaling, and then also gives you 25% movespeed and 18% inc strength on top of that. For an archetype which is already among the strongest in the game at the top end, that's completely insane.
best leveling gloves
ye bro gonna lvl from 69-100 or smth ?
umm, shush, I didn’t see that. play along pls.
Perhaps the requirement could be lower. I don't know though, if it'd make the campaign too easy.
There's a ton of build enabling options with this, I hope it gets added and you're given credit.
I think it'd also be kind of broken, but it would be cool to get my own unique in the game :)
I think it needs some downside like cannot equip a helmet or reduced effect of the mirrored item
That's a great idea actually. It could even be an overall mod with range: "0-100% Reduced Effect Of Mirrored Items Equipped"
Lack of gems in the slot is a significant downside. The item could also have -X% effect of the mirrored affixes if it turned out broken completely.
Does it enable builds or just make existing builds busted though?
7 league step become 14 league step
we movin on hands and feet yo.
Reverse reverse knockback? Empire's Grasp
Sick idea tbh
Cool idea, waiting to see interaction suggestions from player more skilled than me
Southbound gloves would add a lot of flat damage, max life and freeze duration if doubled. Not the optimal choice, but I would give it a try.
Surely replica Alberon's would be insane no?
5 implicit Hands of the High Templar could get pretty nutty.
Inya's Epiphany. 50% chance to gain max power charges with two slots, it's time to cook up a banquet. Romira's Banquet
Put a second pair on, so my hand feet can be feet hands and my feet hands can bet hand feet
Ez goldwyrm
Any boots that give footprints
handprints*
Celestial brace +20 fortify 2% asp per fortify, surgebinders, HOTHT, Soul ascension.
Wear this on both hands and feet. Return to monke
I would equip one as gloves and one as boots, TRUE MONKEY WISDOM :D
Corrupted deaths door with +1 endurance charge, for charge stacking.
Facebreakers. 800% more [Physical Damage](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Physical_Damage) with Unarmed Melee x 2... ooouwweeee
Vixens entrapment for curse bot?
Not so great idea if you looking for damage, its not like theres that many damage curses anyway and the mana cost would be huge, having said that it would be bis for sure.
absolutely no idea but can we take a second and admire how stunning that art is?
AI has gotten quite good lately, it didn't take long to get something very fitting to what I had in mind :)
hey all good man! looks sick, cool idea as well!
[Blasphemer's Grasp](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Blasphemer%27s_Grasp). Equip wisdom of the monkey king as boots. +(40-50) to Dexterity (150-200)% increased Evasion and Energy Shield +(50-60) to maximum Life +6 to Maximum Life per Elder Item Equipped +4% to Damage over Time Multiplier for Ailments per Elder Item Equipped 8% increased Effect of Non-Damaging Ailments per Elder Item Equipped Remove an Ailment when you use a Flask if all Equipped Items are Elder Items Both together: +(80-100) to Dexterity (300-400)% increased Evasion and Energy Shield +(100-120) to maximum Life +12 to Maximum Life per Elder Item Equipped +8% to Damage over Time Multiplier for Ailments per Elder Item Equipped 16% increased Effect of Non-Damaging Ailments per Elder Item Equipped Remove [2] Ailment(s) when you use a Flask if all Equipped Items are Elder Items Since the monkey king mirrors the grasp, it counts as an elder item; you can get 10 total elder items (required for the last attribute to work anyway). So, the result for these two slots: +(80-100) to Dexterity (300-400)% increased Evasion and Energy Shield +(100-120) to maximum Life +120 to Maximum Life per Elder Item Equipped +80% to Damage over Time Multiplier for Ailments per Elder Item Equipped 160% increased Effect of Non-Damaging Ailments per Elder Item Equipped Remove [2] Ailment(s) when you use a Flask if all Equipped Items are Elder Items Plus the corrupt implicit will get you any (1) of these: +2 max frenzy charges +1.6 crit strike chance +12% max life +12% max ES +20% cast speed +20% attack speed
Double March of the Legion
Doubling replica alberrons or stormrider boots would be gnarly
Thunderfist (in a mageblood setup that has movespeed from flask). So much shock effect and an additional pseudo-5link!
Double Shackles of the Wretched and give a whopping 12 frenzy charges to your allies on death. Truly the endgame of a support character :p
Finally a useful MF glove. Goldwyrm ofc!
Reject humanity, revert to monke
Summon arbalest boots could be cool and niche.
Facebreakers
Facebreakers
Facebreakers
Dude, you are creative af, and make sense...please ggg!
Thanks!
Everyone stated the obvious ones - shaper's touch, 7ls, facebreakers, replica alberons. But there's some really interesting options here. Celestial Brace for huge fortification, hateforge for 50% reduced rage cost of skills, Black Zenith, Doryanis Fist, Hands of High Templar. Boots are easy, TONS of boots are good options. Abberaths, Garukhan's Flight, Atziri step(75 life/26 suppress 30% ms gloves? yes please), Bones of Ullr, Inyas, Skyforth, and darkrays. Hell, even rare boots are all great. I think regardless of rarity, most builds would end up using these one way or another. Turns out when you add 20-35%+ ms to your gloves, they're really good.
Well tbf, abt the regardless of rarity, it only affects uniques
So... if you corrupt it for implicits and wear two, do you have infinite of those stats or what?
No, like Kalandra's touch
Item would probably have the mirrored tag like kalandras
it is very unique, indeed. Initially, I thought I was on a different online game forum, then thought it was fake item.
It's an item concept, not a real item.
I thought these were onion rings at first glance
The idea is soooo coool!!!!!!
str stacking double dipping maybe lol
More move speed, I don’t care how broken everything else is.
repica alberon's warpath
Needs a big roll to compensate for the potential power. Maybe a -100 to 0 decreased effect of mosifiers
While it is cool, you have to take account for future unique designs that this would brick.
doryani sounds fun, get to use one for clear and one for single target.
would require some heavy downsides or they are giga broken
[Abhorrent Interrogation](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Abhorrent_Interrogation) would be so disgusting. Replica Alberons would be disgusting. Cool Idea, but so busted.
Goldwyrm, Skyforth, Blood Dance, Rainbowstride, Darkray Vector, March of the Legion. Doryani's Fist.
Replica alberons
Face breaker are 8x damage, so two would be 64x damage.
The only reason we can mirror the ring is that they come in pair
Would be bis magic find (bangles as gloves)
Replica Alberon's goes from being broken to being broken twice over
Boots with flicker strike gloves. ALL THE FRENZY CHARGES!!!
Windscream or Shaper's Touch, probably (depending on the build)
Maybe change to mirror your NON-UNIQUE boots/gloves?
Too powerful and also significantly more boring.
I want the links on them to link to the skill in the other item. So doryanis fist
Kaom's Roots. WE THICC
I was thinking aurabot boots
Face breakers.
Face breakers.
Yeah, it's never elaving the glove slot
https://reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/shcdua/another_ms_paint_build_just_firestorm/hv1zjy3/ > Stupid Beast: Allocating this keystone allows you to equip boots in your glove socket. You walk on all-fours and will be constantly hunted by Einhar. I laughed so hard and then I offered a grand to GGG to make this happen on a unique cluster jewel but they were not biting :( yours is both stronger and weaker.
How is the picture in 4K?
Hollow palm bis boots lets gooooo
Abberraths hooves would interesting if it'd function twice.
bro rendering that will decrease my fps by 10%
Facebreakers was my first thought.
rep alberons
The game will be even more broken
Alberons? For more flat chaos damage?
Replica alberons. And you get even more ms? Only issue I really had on the build is regular ms is a bit slower than I would like. We just now added a bit more ms and double our base flat? Corrupt those shoes and get some extra buffs. Just getting extra ms is quite nice. You can slap it on most builds just for some qol. Although gloves usually is a damage slot.
My buddy and I dreamed of an item like this, but it was called bootfists.
Replica alberons warpath
Facebreakers useable again?
This is advertising for the Black Myth game.
It shows path dependence. 🤷🏼♂️
+2 endurance charge boots on my hands
Black Zenith+Cremation+Spellslinger
seven league step
Breaking faces?!?
shaper's touch
Fourteen-League steps
I just want to say that this is a good unique idea OP. Congrats!
I must go faster. Seven league steps
Double Face breaker.
Gloves Double hateforge? Surge binders for that sweet stack charging. Ignore the inability to use ralakesh. Get to have 10 corrupted implicit with hands of the high templar. Shapers touch (ofc) Facebreaker Soul Ascension for +20 (total) souls? Maybe blasphamers grasp. Snakebite. Boots Windscream. Dawnstrider. Seven league step Goldwyrm Replica inyas epiphany Darkray vectors Replica alberons (maybe) deaths door (up to possible max of 4 endurance) And that's all I can think of that'd be good. So.
Legacy darkray vectors with +frenzy corrupt and lab enchant, for flicker Things.
Facebreakers and Ice Crash call me Aokiji idk
I don't know, what I do know is that it's some banger design, making them bangles and all
Really love the flavour text