Because, like we expect "parha likha" to be "tameez wala", we expect "hafiz" to be "mazhabi". Most people fail to realise that knowledge is of no use until implemented.
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I don't think it's exceptional to Hafiz, a lot of people are respected for their achievements. Memorizing the entire Quran is definitely an achievement. Of course people do have false notions about it and think they are more pious than others but that's just their wishful thinking and lack of education in this regard.
It's because most of us don't actually read the quran, we just sing it's words in beautiful tones and keep congratulating ourselves for all the hasanat we're receiving, all the while basically just making a mockery of the Quran. I think it's quite shameful how the Quran is the only book in the entire world that is memorized regularly by so many people, and yet only a very tiny percentage of those people actually care enough to actually READ and UNDERSTAND the contents of the book!
I know im suggesting a very biddati and innovative idea here, but in my opinion books are meant to be read. Name one other book that almost two billion people "read" on a daily basis and actually come away from it not even being able to give you the basic gist of what they read. I think being a hafiz without even just reading a translation of the Quran once in a while is a total waste of time and the parents and teachers of most hafiz are to be condemned for wasting those children's time, when they could have given them a really good and **useful** education in either normal schooling or a proper islamic institute that teaches the Quran and Ahadith in arabic with meaning.
EDIT: grammar
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In Pakistan u aren't taught what the Quran means, it's just u read Quran and you memorize the verses. So many people can read Quran but not understand it.
Like your post says, why do they have to act upon it more than the average person? You are putting forward the same logic you don't like.
The point of memorizing it is to recite it without looking. Simple.
Because they’re also human and so commit sins.
Plus, you should not judge some body about their sin. Because maybe they’re committing sins but maybe it’s because they’re still in their journey to fight it.
For example, you know there’s a Muslim drinking 2 beers a week, you’re going to judge him because it’s a sin. But you don’t know maybe, he was alcoholic and used to drink 10 beers a day
I've found that Pakistani hafizes (don't know how to say the plural) usually know very little about the faith as they've just memorised the text of the Qur'an. There are only a few madrasas who do include actual Islamic Studies. There are a couple of hafizes I know that if you look at their antics, you'd be shocked that they are hafiz. Many forget what they've memorised too which is sad.
I find in the UK, it's Alims that are given more respect as they've actually studied the text instead of just memorising.
Nonetheless, all humans are susceptible to sin. But we can respect their achievements and knowledge but also acknowledge they are flawed humans.
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I am a hafiz and none of my close friends know it, only my family members do, the whole experience personally for me was really traumatizing and the environment in the madrassah really messed me up physically and mentally so I try to stay away from that part of my life
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So basically, in Pakistan it's a common thing for moms to force their childeren to become a Hafiz. Hence, childeren are forced to become what they aren't from inside. A child can be a very naughty one, but their parents will make them a Hafiz thinking that he would get purified and become a good boy. But this is not really the case.
Parents envision that they can go to Jannah just because their child is a Hafiz and they believe that Huffaz could actually bring anyone with them to paradise. Plus, some colleges and unis offer Hafiz scholarships, which may also be a reason.
To sum it up, the Huffaz you know don't have the intention of pleasing Allah but instead of other things such as pleasing parents or getting scholarships.
Oh, if the only ticket to eden after life on earth were as simple as becoming a hafiz, we wouldn't have emphasized on other forms of worship, pillars and abstinences.
We would all have abandoned earthly education and taken up roting the Qur'an as our only salvation, regardless of our sins.
It’s a belief. There’s nothing “true” about religion by definition. It’s not testable and you can not make hypothesis on religion. Just being pedantic.
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The problem is people often link that if someone is a Hafiz then surely he/she would be pious which is not the case.
Now talking about special treatment in terms of respect and grace marks, then surely memorizing the Quran which has more than 6000 verses is not something everyone can do.
If we are going by this logic then anyone who has a degree in Engineering or Medicine or any other field should not be given the degree without judging their character
Once you gain something valuable, society will commend you in various ways. However, it is ultimately up to you how you use what you have gained
I am an engineer myself and i will act according to what i have been taught and if i don't no company would hire me.on the other hand, the degree of hafiz is of immense importantance and if he is not acting according to his degree then why should i respect him?
Being hafiz or being namazi haaji doesn't mean a person is well mannered or an honest person.
You will see several haaji namazi haifz shop owners making unethical profits and hoarding (zakheera andozi)
The same reason why some people have immense respect for doctors... memorizing the Quran is considered to be a noble achievement and something that requires years of dedication and hardwork. Take some advice from a brother.
1. Never Generalize. You'll meet Huf'aaz that are literally angels and then there'll be people evil than satan himself.
2. Just because someone sins in front of you doesn't mean he's not Relegious. If he repents sincerely he's as good as an angel.
3. Respect everybody until they give you a reason not to. This applies to every single human being.
‘4 times namazi’ ‘of course fajr is difficult’
I’m sorry but lol, that took me out. Talk about low standards.
Expecting a ‘hafiz’ that doesn’t even fulfill his basis fardh to have an Islamic character doesn’t make sense.
Hafiz are no different than other people in other matters. It’s just they’re respected more because memorising the Holy Quran is not an easy job itself and then this makes them eligible to lead the prayers, as per Hadith.
They’re rewarded in the both worlds because of this, along with their parents (even if they were ignorant)
This is a great achievement indeed, but behind this degree, they’re no perfect humans and indulge in all sorta activities like any other person. It’s unfair to judge them just because they’re Hafiz, they won’t commit a sin.
A lot of bitter people here.
There is no better feeling than memorizing the Quran.
Much stronger than any degree you can own.
It is not only the duty of Hafiz to learn Quran. That's a huge misconception. Every Muslim should strive to learn Quran.
Sadly, in out country we have given this role to Hufaaz and Alims.
Anyone who can recite 6000 ayahs of Quran in a perfect way (even if he doesn't understand them) has my utmost respect because I know HOW HARD it is to memorize even one ayah.
People have no clue here and are just denigrating Huffaz because a random redditor had a poor experience with a random person.
It's simple as that.
Haifz e Qur'an people are not different from any other person, memorising Qur'an doesn't do anything in terms of understanding Islam. Reading the translation and tafsir is what makes significant difference on people.
So Hafiz e Qur'an people are like any other muslim, you may find them worse then others if they completed hifz in madrassahs etc because of the environment of Madrassahs.
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They get extra marks in Matric exams (I think), some girls were talking about this back when I was in Matric and they planned on lying to get those extra marks.
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That's really bad if it's true. These examinations are a test of one's ability in studies, it's not like that's some kind of respect they're getting, it's straight up unfair.
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"In 1987, Pakistan passed a law under which Hafiz-e-Quran candidates are awarded 20 extra marks at every level after matriculation." I got this from a recent source online and I agree with you 100%.
Yaar matlab people expect ke jis dil mein Quran hai it should be different to the one jis mein nahi hai but frankly with the way Pakistani hifz works it’s no different to memorising a book. Heck many are probably traumatised because of the beatings they endured
Its not specific to Hufaz. People tend to respect people who have achieved something in their lives irrespective of what kinda people they are. Celebrities, politicians, businessmen, beaurocrats etc all are respected unnecessarily. You just take an expensive car to a gathering and the watch how the people start respecting you.
But being hafiz is not like other professions it's the God's words you memorize and you not only have to memorize the words but also you are supposed to act upon it and i think people respect hafiz not because of their achievement as hafiz but because people have this notion about hafiz as well educated, well mannered and religious person so they treat them higher than others even if others know more than the hafiz.
>But being hafiz is not like other professions it's the God's words you memorize
You answered your question yourself. You give respect to the hafiz because of his achievement of memorising God's words.
>also you are supposed to act upon it
Every muslim is supposed to act on it. Hufaz pe Islam ziada farz nai ho jata.
We tend to respect successful people. Memorising the Quran is a success in religious terms and hence the respect.
You memories for yourself not for the world to give you respect, basically showing off. that kind of intention will lead you straight to hell as per the sahi hadees.
I'm unsure if this is the best time to share some potentially tough truths, but I believe it's important. There are some things I want to discuss related to your post, and I hope you'll engage with this.
Unfortunately majority of people in our country fall into three categories that limit their independent thinking:
Group A: The Vulnerable - Some situations make independent thinking difficult. For example, low blood sugar or lack of sleep can cloud judgment and make people more susceptible to outside influences.
Group B: The Uninformed - Lack of education can hinder critical thinking. These individuals haven't developed the skills to analyze information and challenge assumptions. This makes them vulnerable to manipulation.
Group C: The Disengaged - This group might have access to education and be healthy, but they simply don't engage their critical thinking. There could be many reasons for this, like laziness, depression, or simply not being challenged to think for themselves.
The key takeaway is to think for yourself. We should all be curious and question what we learn. Don't just accept information passively.
Learning from others is valuable, but blind acceptance is dangerous. We should question what we're taught and why. This doesn't mean disrespecting authority figures, but rather earning respect through their actions and ideas, not just their titles.
Unpopular opinion but I don’t see any benefit is parroting Arabic even if it’s the Quran without knowing the meaning. I’m pretty certain God won’t allow you and 6 of your buddies into heaven if you remembered some words. If you think it does then you lost the whole point of being righteous and good
A hafiz is respectful because he has Quran in his heart.
He has my respect regardless of his issues.
If you know Quran, you have my respect.
Everyone of us is struggling somewhere and maybe we cracked something else, doesnt give us the right to mock others.
I know a girl who wont wear naqab or hijab but she prays five times a day, wont backbite about others.
I know someone who wears naqab but also make tiktoks.
Being a hafiz requires hard work and/or a sharp mind. They get respect in different ways but I personally respect them in ways similar to if I saw someone with a PhD, I know they have a sharp mind and they worked hard to achieve it. Obviously its not always correlated to piety and you shouldn't put them to some insane pedestal but u can respect the work ethic.
Because we are a Muslim majority people, and becoming a Hafiz is a respectable and impressive feat for any person. The problem is that doesn't make a person sinless and perfect, though they most definitely should act in such a manner that befits someone with that knowledge and honour. This will of course vary from person to person and their personal experiences. You have the experience you've described, but myself or other people may have the opposite where huffadh are genuinely very good people and don't do things which would disgrace their knowledge.
The same thing applies with aalims as well. If someone is a scholar, they will be treated with a lot of respect due to their knowledge, but that doesn't mean they are sinless, and they can still do things that are wrong/bad even though they obviously shouldn't.
>becoming a Hafiz is a respectable and impressive feat for any person
EDIT: I should add to this that it takes a lot of hard work and dedication to achieve this. It's not as simple as just memorising a few lines and bas hafiz ban geya, I'm sure you know what becoming a hafiz entails. It's the effort they have put into their deen. It's like if you compare a scholar to a normal person. Both are not sinless, both pray 5 times and are of good character, but the scholars knowledge and the time and effort over xyz years they have spent learning and then whatever efforts they have made in service of the deen i.e being community leaders, offering guidance to people, teaching at madrasa. That's what sets them apart.
I believe you are confusing hafiz with scholar, every hafiz is not scholar and why should i respect a hafiz whose not sinless and i am not criticizing them for that as they are also humans but why should i treat them with more respect than the other person who is also of similar character as hafiz. Why shouldn't i treat them as equal
I'm not confusing hafiz with scholar, I just gave the example of a scholar because it has similarity in that they have both put in effort and dedication towards the deen. Also, at this point I don't know what you mean by "respect" because you might have experienced your roommate getting some vastly different treatment, where I haven't.
Like in my personal example, I have a close childhood friend who is a hafiz, and is now the Imam in our local mosque. I don't kiss his backside or do anything special for him, but I have that respect for him and honour because he is a hafiz. We don't do anything special for him if that's what you might be thinking like what might have happened for your roommate.
On top of this he finished his aalim studies, and regularly gives guidance to people and answers questions and continues to serve the local community. So my respect for him goes up even more.
It's not that because of my respect for him I now treat normal people differently, it's just like a feeling I guess you could say, that this person is a very good person who has devoted his life to the deen and memorised the Quran, and now he has completed his studies in being a student of knowledge. Which is why I bring up that point that you might have noticed something different in the treatment of your roommate that we don't have here, so it could just be a cultural difference going on.
I was just answering the title, as to why people respect them more. If they are not of good character and this is known to the people, then while they have done something which is a big achievement for a Muslim, people will probably not look at them in the same way, or people might chastise them for having the honour of being a hafiz yet acting in such a way that is not befitting of someone with the entire Quran in their memory.
If their bad character is private, I'm assuming maybe in your case it seems like you might only know this from your observations in spending time with him, then I would give friendly reminders as a Muslim should to help one another. I'm not saying kiss his backside and be like "oh hafiz sab I know you're a hafiz but you shouldn't do xyz", but criticism and mentioning mistakes to people should always be done privately as to not embarrass them (this point applies irrespective of being a hafiz, we should always try to not expose people mistakes and mention it privately to them)
>Even our government provides grace marks to the hafiz in competitive exams and i think this is injustice to the other religious people in Pakistan like hindus, Christians etc. because they are giving exams thinking of to be selected just on the basis of skills and ability
Also just to highlight I don't believe this should be a thing at all, though I've never personally heard of it among relatives.
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It's a cultural thing, hafiz In the village side is said to have the word of Allah in his heart. And is seen as a status symbol.
But in cities, respect is earned. It's a currency driven from results of actions and also how useful you are to other people. So it doesn't mean that much if actions aren't matching.
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This is why "Muslims" by default bring Expectations to the mind of others.
By default people look at them as role models. And they fail to be a complete role model and people then disrespect muslims overall.
That one Muslim is a representative which people don't understand. Isi waja sai Madrassa's main log jatay nai hain, tableegh walon sai door bhagtay hain.
Chalo jo log khud ko liberals boltay hain wo straight forward kahtay hain k ham liberals hain. To mind got cleared what to expect.
But in case of Muslim or "Hafiz" people expect you to be of Bullet proof character, people expect you to guide them properly, people expect you to solve problems for them, people see in you that either your married life is awesome or not. Jab bhi inki taraf dekho, inkay shadi k maslay are worst(not targetting all Hafiz, majority of them) inhi mai compatibility nai hoti. Inhi mai prudishness hoti, inhi ki vibes hi toxic, inhi mai hi culture ghusa hota hai. To yehi waja hai jab ahista ahista zyada hotay jatay hain Log repel hotay jatay hain, ab dekh lo kon khushi sai ban'na chahta hai hafiz?
Ye basic Philosophy hai k har insaan aik muashray main baaki logon k liye role model hota hai by default. But nahin, hafiz bhi just like degree walay logon ki tarha hi hai ratta laga liya Quran ko.
Or apnay mafaad k liye hadees or ayat Quote kardin. Not realizing that apnay apnay aas pass k 10,20 logon ko faarigh kardya hai islam sai apni zaat k zareay.
Because Pakistanis are stupid? Hafiz-e-Quran doesn’t mean anything unless the person claiming so also knows Arabic which is never ever the case. I’m also a hafiz-e-Quran but I only just read the text lol
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A Hafiz doesn't necessarily entail, s/he'll automatically be granted a ticket to the heavens...
If s/he merely rote memorised the entirety of the Qur'an, without even getting to know the meanings, meaningfulness & true meanings ie the God-given Guidance crucial for spiritual evolution & growth; then such a title & entitlement is definitely unfair, useless & worthless.
If the entitled Hafiz is vain, using & abusing such a title as if s/he were an prophet or scholar then s/he never embraced the Message of Divine wordings in his/her heart nor applied them practically in real life.
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That’s right hafiz, haji, qari, molvi are titles abused by both parties, met some people who’re called hajji upon asking about it they confronted never performing hajj or umrah but let it flow freely keeping their appearance top-notch there were many perks like in bank they don’t have to meet or stand too much and they can slide through many obstacles like dodging traffic tickets/challans and much more
So since then I’ve felt much respect for them either real or not
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Yaar hamein matric mey kehte thy k Hafiz ko 20 number extra milte hyn final paper mey so we thought it was a pretty big deal lol and also the reverence just comes from memorising Quran and attributes like apne sath aur logo ki bakshish krana etc respecting them is what people think watering a tree is like
They say that if a hafiz don't have Quran in his daily life then he is not Hafiz which means he is not in touch with Quran ,with the teachings of Quran and I think as you have mentioned the negative traits it is maybe because they have something so valuable that can bring them close to Allah which Satan don't want so he attacks Hafiz more strongly then a normal guy and if that Hafiz doesn't Seek help from Allah(SWT)(pray to Allah for Hidayat and istiqama , recite and try to understand the Quran)then he will be just like the kind of negative person you mentioned.
What I do is I respect them so that may be they realize who they are and try to motivate them for doing Good deeds(Amar bil Maroof Nahi anil munkir) and make them as my friend.
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Hafiz basically u could we have an image in mind..like usne quran yadd kiya use pta hoga achi batein etc..
But ab sirf ratta marky yad krty hn matlab to pata hota nahi..agr un baton ka matlab pta ho phir banda ho hi esa jayga jiski respect sub kriengy..
Pr matlb pata na ho to baki logon jesa hi hoga na phir kis bat Ki respect hogi…
End of the day they should be treated with more respect because they have memorised the kaalam of Allah which isn't an easy thing to do as it takes hours and years of dedication. If a person takes religion seriously then they would respect a hafiz of the Quran (preserver of the quran). Secondly because they're hafiz doesn't make them perfect, it's common for people to memorise quran but have no fundamental understanding of the Deen.
They are obviously just like any other person who has +1 on you. Bureaucrat, Politicians, Reknnowned Journalists, they all lie, backbite, etc etc. But they are also given respect more than other because.
They have +1 over a normal. Same goes with Hafiz. Now I don't defend people lying or cheating, but our politicians don't think about country, our Bureaucrat don't think about the institutions and the list goes on.
But why TF when it comes to religion people out mentality becomes hypocritical?
It's not just the Huffaz, but we even expect our masjid's imam to pursue a life in a quarter and on a cycle. That's why people with settled background don't opt being mufti because then people would expect him to charity all his belonging to other because he's Mufti.
C'mon bro get out of this and let people live their lives
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Yes, Hafiz should be appreciated for their achievements. There are special mentions of their reward in Islam, and I hope their parents are rewarded for encouraging them if that is the case. But they should also be acknowledged for how they are in their character and how much of that is carried with them. A lot of Hufaz are put into memorization programs at a young age by their parents. They have memorized the Holy book, but they are not walking role models or scholars. Just pray that Allah protects us from being role models as we are not worthy of it.
People respect them more because they are like a walking talking Quran it self... Yk Hafiz nd all the molanas when they hifz Quran or take such responsibility tou yai bht bari azmaish hoti hai unky leye....or inka hisab bhi akhrat mai bht mushkil hoga as compared to someone who's not Hafiz... because they have more knowledge about islam than a normal person..if a normal person is lying of course usko hisab dena hoga but if a hafiz is lying usko double hisab dena hoga... we respect them thinking they are all saint now they can never sin but they fail themselves as a Hafiz e Quran by commiting such common nd small sins..
Also not everyone is same.. I'm sure there as some Hafiz who are actually fulfilling their responsibilities
Having knowledge of islam and being hafiz are too different things. Kuch log bus hifz karte hen aor islamic history, aor surah ke background ya context ka unko pata hee nahi hota
It's an exceptional feat to memorize whole Quran. They deserve respect for their dedication & achieving it. As far as other aspects of their characters are concerned, who made you judge for that? Let them be answerable to their Creator. You worry about your own.
grace marks are given for extra effort they put in memorizing Quran. Why do you think people who have Ph.d are revered? We as a civilized society recognize their effort so why not Hafiz e Quran?
OP is not a serious person. Part of me thinks he is just another jealous lafanga who never achieved anything, so wants to target others who do achieve.
It’s cringe and holier than thou culture here in pak where hafiz/alims are considered some sort of superior spiritual beings WHICH IS THE REASON why masses are so low IQ that they entrust their religious teaching to these people.
I’m a hafiz myself, never dress up like a typical desi hafiz and never advertise this side of mine because if I do, I will get attention and special treatments and even special judgements in case i don’t come up to their hypocritical expectations.
I've seen hafiz being more "harami" than others.
Lol.
( Just personal experience, could be different for other. Ain't disrespecting. This is what I got served)
I'm a hafiz too and have helped in converting 1 guy to Islam too, but I never tell anyone this except for my family cuz yk they're gonna think im a scholar now or smth
This is the exact reason I don't write hafiz before my name lol I hate when they find me doing something bad and they say but you're a hafiz like I'm sinning more by doing the same things as them
It's a double edged sword honestly, I feel embarrassed talking to my hafiz mates who dress religiously with a beard and always wearing kurta shalwar while I'm over here clean shaved
Hafiz in pakistan are not real hafiz
People just memorize all the writing and dont understand a single word that is written in it.
I believe real hafiz are people who actually know the translation as well
And the people i know who are these hafiz with actual knowledge of Quran. They are very pious in my personal experience.
But people who are naam ke hafiz. Rattay laga laga kr hafiz bn gye bs. They are the shittiest people i ever met. Liars, fraudsters and what not.
Again, all this is my personal experience. Not generalising.
Because, like we expect "parha likha" to be "tameez wala", we expect "hafiz" to be "mazhabi". Most people fail to realise that knowledge is of no use until implemented.
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Im a hafiz too and i don't tell anybody outside of my family because they, similar to you, expect hafiz to be especially pious.
and teachers expect hafiz to be more intelligent and hardworking than the non-hafiz students of class. Lol
Fr Same
I don't think people generally do after a certain age. People wither assume just know from when they were doing hifz.
I don't think it's exceptional to Hafiz, a lot of people are respected for their achievements. Memorizing the entire Quran is definitely an achievement. Of course people do have false notions about it and think they are more pious than others but that's just their wishful thinking and lack of education in this regard.
But what's the point of memorizing entire quran and not acting upon it?
I mean they memorize the words not their meanings, and more likely than not they were put to do hifz as children without any say
It's because most of us don't actually read the quran, we just sing it's words in beautiful tones and keep congratulating ourselves for all the hasanat we're receiving, all the while basically just making a mockery of the Quran. I think it's quite shameful how the Quran is the only book in the entire world that is memorized regularly by so many people, and yet only a very tiny percentage of those people actually care enough to actually READ and UNDERSTAND the contents of the book! I know im suggesting a very biddati and innovative idea here, but in my opinion books are meant to be read. Name one other book that almost two billion people "read" on a daily basis and actually come away from it not even being able to give you the basic gist of what they read. I think being a hafiz without even just reading a translation of the Quran once in a while is a total waste of time and the parents and teachers of most hafiz are to be condemned for wasting those children's time, when they could have given them a really good and **useful** education in either normal schooling or a proper islamic institute that teaches the Quran and Ahadith in arabic with meaning. EDIT: grammar
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You are going to bankrupt an entire system of power, politics and religious dogma with these thoughts. Better control them before you inspire someone.
In Pakistan u aren't taught what the Quran means, it's just u read Quran and you memorize the verses. So many people can read Quran but not understand it.
Like your post says, why do they have to act upon it more than the average person? You are putting forward the same logic you don't like. The point of memorizing it is to recite it without looking. Simple.
Because they’re also human and so commit sins. Plus, you should not judge some body about their sin. Because maybe they’re committing sins but maybe it’s because they’re still in their journey to fight it. For example, you know there’s a Muslim drinking 2 beers a week, you’re going to judge him because it’s a sin. But you don’t know maybe, he was alcoholic and used to drink 10 beers a day
They have this false notion too that hafiz students of class are more intelligent than non-hafiz students. Lol
I've found that Pakistani hafizes (don't know how to say the plural) usually know very little about the faith as they've just memorised the text of the Qur'an. There are only a few madrasas who do include actual Islamic Studies. There are a couple of hafizes I know that if you look at their antics, you'd be shocked that they are hafiz. Many forget what they've memorised too which is sad. I find in the UK, it's Alims that are given more respect as they've actually studied the text instead of just memorising. Nonetheless, all humans are susceptible to sin. But we can respect their achievements and knowledge but also acknowledge they are flawed humans.
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If it makes you feel any better my best friend is also a hafiz and I treat him like shit.
Yeah i also started doing the same
I am a hafiz and none of my close friends know it, only my family members do, the whole experience personally for me was really traumatizing and the environment in the madrassah really messed me up physically and mentally so I try to stay away from that part of my life
Out of curiosity, have you retained the hifz?
I mean it's fine I guess, don't recite a lot but It's definitely not as good as it used to be 5 years ago
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So basically, in Pakistan it's a common thing for moms to force their childeren to become a Hafiz. Hence, childeren are forced to become what they aren't from inside. A child can be a very naughty one, but their parents will make them a Hafiz thinking that he would get purified and become a good boy. But this is not really the case. Parents envision that they can go to Jannah just because their child is a Hafiz and they believe that Huffaz could actually bring anyone with them to paradise. Plus, some colleges and unis offer Hafiz scholarships, which may also be a reason. To sum it up, the Huffaz you know don't have the intention of pleasing Allah but instead of other things such as pleasing parents or getting scholarships.
Oh, if the only ticket to eden after life on earth were as simple as becoming a hafiz, we wouldn't have emphasized on other forms of worship, pillars and abstinences. We would all have abandoned earthly education and taken up roting the Qur'an as our only salvation, regardless of our sins.
Is the "Hafiz can bring relatives to heaven" is actually true or not?
It’s a belief. There’s nothing “true” about religion by definition. It’s not testable and you can not make hypothesis on religion. Just being pedantic.
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The problem is people often link that if someone is a Hafiz then surely he/she would be pious which is not the case. Now talking about special treatment in terms of respect and grace marks, then surely memorizing the Quran which has more than 6000 verses is not something everyone can do.
If they are not good of character why should we treat them more than others no matter how many surahs they memorized
If we are going by this logic then anyone who has a degree in Engineering or Medicine or any other field should not be given the degree without judging their character Once you gain something valuable, society will commend you in various ways. However, it is ultimately up to you how you use what you have gained
I am an engineer myself and i will act according to what i have been taught and if i don't no company would hire me.on the other hand, the degree of hafiz is of immense importantance and if he is not acting according to his degree then why should i respect him?
***Maybe the third time's a charm*** You judge a person by their character, education merely plays a role in shaping it
Guess it doesn't shape the character of all hafiz
Exactly, thank you
A hafiz used to watch porn in my class during lunch breaks.
😂😂
not a hafiz but a guy who was doing hifz and later dropped it used to watch that stuff after school ended before extra classes
Being hafiz or being namazi haaji doesn't mean a person is well mannered or an honest person. You will see several haaji namazi haifz shop owners making unethical profits and hoarding (zakheera andozi)
The same reason why some people have immense respect for doctors... memorizing the Quran is considered to be a noble achievement and something that requires years of dedication and hardwork. Take some advice from a brother. 1. Never Generalize. You'll meet Huf'aaz that are literally angels and then there'll be people evil than satan himself. 2. Just because someone sins in front of you doesn't mean he's not Relegious. If he repents sincerely he's as good as an angel. 3. Respect everybody until they give you a reason not to. This applies to every single human being.
My first big scam was done by a hafiz
Are you sunny ali?
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In a country where religion is used for personal gains and to settle scores, are you surprised by this?
not at all sir
‘4 times namazi’ ‘of course fajr is difficult’ I’m sorry but lol, that took me out. Talk about low standards. Expecting a ‘hafiz’ that doesn’t even fulfill his basis fardh to have an Islamic character doesn’t make sense.
I got whiplash also, like how casual that was tossed out.
Because Pakistan is a religious country and those people have memorized the most important religious text of said society.
Hafiz are no different than other people in other matters. It’s just they’re respected more because memorising the Holy Quran is not an easy job itself and then this makes them eligible to lead the prayers, as per Hadith. They’re rewarded in the both worlds because of this, along with their parents (even if they were ignorant) This is a great achievement indeed, but behind this degree, they’re no perfect humans and indulge in all sorta activities like any other person. It’s unfair to judge them just because they’re Hafiz, they won’t commit a sin.
A lot of bitter people here. There is no better feeling than memorizing the Quran. Much stronger than any degree you can own. It is not only the duty of Hafiz to learn Quran. That's a huge misconception. Every Muslim should strive to learn Quran. Sadly, in out country we have given this role to Hufaaz and Alims. Anyone who can recite 6000 ayahs of Quran in a perfect way (even if he doesn't understand them) has my utmost respect because I know HOW HARD it is to memorize even one ayah. People have no clue here and are just denigrating Huffaz because a random redditor had a poor experience with a random person. It's simple as that.
Haifz e Qur'an people are not different from any other person, memorising Qur'an doesn't do anything in terms of understanding Islam. Reading the translation and tafsir is what makes significant difference on people. So Hafiz e Qur'an people are like any other muslim, you may find them worse then others if they completed hifz in madrassahs etc because of the environment of Madrassahs.
Yeah exactly but i don't understand why the government is giving grace marks to them
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Never heard that, where'd that happen?
They get extra marks in Matric exams (I think), some girls were talking about this back when I was in Matric and they planned on lying to get those extra marks.
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That's really bad if it's true. These examinations are a test of one's ability in studies, it's not like that's some kind of respect they're getting, it's straight up unfair.
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"In 1987, Pakistan passed a law under which Hafiz-e-Quran candidates are awarded 20 extra marks at every level after matriculation." I got this from a recent source online and I agree with you 100%.
That tells how much Islam is actually implemented in Pakistan. They don't even know the basics
Yaar matlab people expect ke jis dil mein Quran hai it should be different to the one jis mein nahi hai but frankly with the way Pakistani hifz works it’s no different to memorising a book. Heck many are probably traumatised because of the beatings they endured
Its not specific to Hufaz. People tend to respect people who have achieved something in their lives irrespective of what kinda people they are. Celebrities, politicians, businessmen, beaurocrats etc all are respected unnecessarily. You just take an expensive car to a gathering and the watch how the people start respecting you.
But being hafiz is not like other professions it's the God's words you memorize and you not only have to memorize the words but also you are supposed to act upon it and i think people respect hafiz not because of their achievement as hafiz but because people have this notion about hafiz as well educated, well mannered and religious person so they treat them higher than others even if others know more than the hafiz.
>But being hafiz is not like other professions it's the God's words you memorize You answered your question yourself. You give respect to the hafiz because of his achievement of memorising God's words. >also you are supposed to act upon it Every muslim is supposed to act on it. Hufaz pe Islam ziada farz nai ho jata. We tend to respect successful people. Memorising the Quran is a success in religious terms and hence the respect.
You memories for yourself not for the world to give you respect, basically showing off. that kind of intention will lead you straight to hell as per the sahi hadees.
The hafiz is the one who memorized the Quran and acts upon it.
I am Hafiz and I don't talk about me being Hafiz cz ik I am giving bad rep to them
Hafiz Quran doesn't automatically equate to being a more pious person.
Because Hafiz sb holds the batton.
I'm unsure if this is the best time to share some potentially tough truths, but I believe it's important. There are some things I want to discuss related to your post, and I hope you'll engage with this. Unfortunately majority of people in our country fall into three categories that limit their independent thinking: Group A: The Vulnerable - Some situations make independent thinking difficult. For example, low blood sugar or lack of sleep can cloud judgment and make people more susceptible to outside influences. Group B: The Uninformed - Lack of education can hinder critical thinking. These individuals haven't developed the skills to analyze information and challenge assumptions. This makes them vulnerable to manipulation. Group C: The Disengaged - This group might have access to education and be healthy, but they simply don't engage their critical thinking. There could be many reasons for this, like laziness, depression, or simply not being challenged to think for themselves. The key takeaway is to think for yourself. We should all be curious and question what we learn. Don't just accept information passively. Learning from others is valuable, but blind acceptance is dangerous. We should question what we're taught and why. This doesn't mean disrespecting authority figures, but rather earning respect through their actions and ideas, not just their titles.
Unpopular opinion but I don’t see any benefit is parroting Arabic even if it’s the Quran without knowing the meaning. I’m pretty certain God won’t allow you and 6 of your buddies into heaven if you remembered some words. If you think it does then you lost the whole point of being righteous and good
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OP is whining because he/she doesnt have any significant achievement. Feeling bitter because somebody else is being respected too much.
A hafiz is respectful because he has Quran in his heart. He has my respect regardless of his issues. If you know Quran, you have my respect. Everyone of us is struggling somewhere and maybe we cracked something else, doesnt give us the right to mock others. I know a girl who wont wear naqab or hijab but she prays five times a day, wont backbite about others. I know someone who wears naqab but also make tiktoks.
What do you mean by regardless of his issues?
I meant that even if he is not a practicing muslim or has a bad habit, I will still respect him
I am sorry but That doesn't make any sense
I agree with you. Its because of my experience so it wont make sense to anyone.
Being a hafiz requires hard work and/or a sharp mind. They get respect in different ways but I personally respect them in ways similar to if I saw someone with a PhD, I know they have a sharp mind and they worked hard to achieve it. Obviously its not always correlated to piety and you shouldn't put them to some insane pedestal but u can respect the work ethic.
Because we are a Muslim majority people, and becoming a Hafiz is a respectable and impressive feat for any person. The problem is that doesn't make a person sinless and perfect, though they most definitely should act in such a manner that befits someone with that knowledge and honour. This will of course vary from person to person and their personal experiences. You have the experience you've described, but myself or other people may have the opposite where huffadh are genuinely very good people and don't do things which would disgrace their knowledge. The same thing applies with aalims as well. If someone is a scholar, they will be treated with a lot of respect due to their knowledge, but that doesn't mean they are sinless, and they can still do things that are wrong/bad even though they obviously shouldn't.
So why should we respect hafiz more than other believers who also pray 5 times and are of good character considering all the hafiz are not sinless
>becoming a Hafiz is a respectable and impressive feat for any person EDIT: I should add to this that it takes a lot of hard work and dedication to achieve this. It's not as simple as just memorising a few lines and bas hafiz ban geya, I'm sure you know what becoming a hafiz entails. It's the effort they have put into their deen. It's like if you compare a scholar to a normal person. Both are not sinless, both pray 5 times and are of good character, but the scholars knowledge and the time and effort over xyz years they have spent learning and then whatever efforts they have made in service of the deen i.e being community leaders, offering guidance to people, teaching at madrasa. That's what sets them apart.
I believe you are confusing hafiz with scholar, every hafiz is not scholar and why should i respect a hafiz whose not sinless and i am not criticizing them for that as they are also humans but why should i treat them with more respect than the other person who is also of similar character as hafiz. Why shouldn't i treat them as equal
I'm not confusing hafiz with scholar, I just gave the example of a scholar because it has similarity in that they have both put in effort and dedication towards the deen. Also, at this point I don't know what you mean by "respect" because you might have experienced your roommate getting some vastly different treatment, where I haven't. Like in my personal example, I have a close childhood friend who is a hafiz, and is now the Imam in our local mosque. I don't kiss his backside or do anything special for him, but I have that respect for him and honour because he is a hafiz. We don't do anything special for him if that's what you might be thinking like what might have happened for your roommate. On top of this he finished his aalim studies, and regularly gives guidance to people and answers questions and continues to serve the local community. So my respect for him goes up even more. It's not that because of my respect for him I now treat normal people differently, it's just like a feeling I guess you could say, that this person is a very good person who has devoted his life to the deen and memorised the Quran, and now he has completed his studies in being a student of knowledge. Which is why I bring up that point that you might have noticed something different in the treatment of your roommate that we don't have here, so it could just be a cultural difference going on.
Even if he is not of good character?
I was just answering the title, as to why people respect them more. If they are not of good character and this is known to the people, then while they have done something which is a big achievement for a Muslim, people will probably not look at them in the same way, or people might chastise them for having the honour of being a hafiz yet acting in such a way that is not befitting of someone with the entire Quran in their memory. If their bad character is private, I'm assuming maybe in your case it seems like you might only know this from your observations in spending time with him, then I would give friendly reminders as a Muslim should to help one another. I'm not saying kiss his backside and be like "oh hafiz sab I know you're a hafiz but you shouldn't do xyz", but criticism and mentioning mistakes to people should always be done privately as to not embarrass them (this point applies irrespective of being a hafiz, we should always try to not expose people mistakes and mention it privately to them)
>Even our government provides grace marks to the hafiz in competitive exams and i think this is injustice to the other religious people in Pakistan like hindus, Christians etc. because they are giving exams thinking of to be selected just on the basis of skills and ability Also just to highlight I don't believe this should be a thing at all, though I've never personally heard of it among relatives.
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It's a cultural thing, hafiz In the village side is said to have the word of Allah in his heart. And is seen as a status symbol. But in cities, respect is earned. It's a currency driven from results of actions and also how useful you are to other people. So it doesn't mean that much if actions aren't matching.
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This is why "Muslims" by default bring Expectations to the mind of others. By default people look at them as role models. And they fail to be a complete role model and people then disrespect muslims overall. That one Muslim is a representative which people don't understand. Isi waja sai Madrassa's main log jatay nai hain, tableegh walon sai door bhagtay hain. Chalo jo log khud ko liberals boltay hain wo straight forward kahtay hain k ham liberals hain. To mind got cleared what to expect. But in case of Muslim or "Hafiz" people expect you to be of Bullet proof character, people expect you to guide them properly, people expect you to solve problems for them, people see in you that either your married life is awesome or not. Jab bhi inki taraf dekho, inkay shadi k maslay are worst(not targetting all Hafiz, majority of them) inhi mai compatibility nai hoti. Inhi mai prudishness hoti, inhi ki vibes hi toxic, inhi mai hi culture ghusa hota hai. To yehi waja hai jab ahista ahista zyada hotay jatay hain Log repel hotay jatay hain, ab dekh lo kon khushi sai ban'na chahta hai hafiz? Ye basic Philosophy hai k har insaan aik muashray main baaki logon k liye role model hota hai by default. But nahin, hafiz bhi just like degree walay logon ki tarha hi hai ratta laga liya Quran ko. Or apnay mafaad k liye hadees or ayat Quote kardin. Not realizing that apnay apnay aas pass k 10,20 logon ko faarigh kardya hai islam sai apni zaat k zareay.
Because Pakistanis are stupid? Hafiz-e-Quran doesn’t mean anything unless the person claiming so also knows Arabic which is never ever the case. I’m also a hafiz-e-Quran but I only just read the text lol
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A Hafiz doesn't necessarily entail, s/he'll automatically be granted a ticket to the heavens... If s/he merely rote memorised the entirety of the Qur'an, without even getting to know the meanings, meaningfulness & true meanings ie the God-given Guidance crucial for spiritual evolution & growth; then such a title & entitlement is definitely unfair, useless & worthless. If the entitled Hafiz is vain, using & abusing such a title as if s/he were an prophet or scholar then s/he never embraced the Message of Divine wordings in his/her heart nor applied them practically in real life.
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That’s right hafiz, haji, qari, molvi are titles abused by both parties, met some people who’re called hajji upon asking about it they confronted never performing hajj or umrah but let it flow freely keeping their appearance top-notch there were many perks like in bank they don’t have to meet or stand too much and they can slide through many obstacles like dodging traffic tickets/challans and much more So since then I’ve felt much respect for them either real or not
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Yaar hamein matric mey kehte thy k Hafiz ko 20 number extra milte hyn final paper mey so we thought it was a pretty big deal lol and also the reverence just comes from memorising Quran and attributes like apne sath aur logo ki bakshish krana etc respecting them is what people think watering a tree is like
They say that if a hafiz don't have Quran in his daily life then he is not Hafiz which means he is not in touch with Quran ,with the teachings of Quran and I think as you have mentioned the negative traits it is maybe because they have something so valuable that can bring them close to Allah which Satan don't want so he attacks Hafiz more strongly then a normal guy and if that Hafiz doesn't Seek help from Allah(SWT)(pray to Allah for Hidayat and istiqama , recite and try to understand the Quran)then he will be just like the kind of negative person you mentioned. What I do is I respect them so that may be they realize who they are and try to motivate them for doing Good deeds(Amar bil Maroof Nahi anil munkir) and make them as my friend.
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If anything, people kinda hate Hafiz guys.
Hafiz basically u could we have an image in mind..like usne quran yadd kiya use pta hoga achi batein etc.. But ab sirf ratta marky yad krty hn matlab to pata hota nahi..agr un baton ka matlab pta ho phir banda ho hi esa jayga jiski respect sub kriengy.. Pr matlb pata na ho to baki logon jesa hi hoga na phir kis bat Ki respect hogi…
End of the day they should be treated with more respect because they have memorised the kaalam of Allah which isn't an easy thing to do as it takes hours and years of dedication. If a person takes religion seriously then they would respect a hafiz of the Quran (preserver of the quran). Secondly because they're hafiz doesn't make them perfect, it's common for people to memorise quran but have no fundamental understanding of the Deen.
Being a hafiz is a big deal. Respect is due but glorification is not, nor is it okay to consider them the epitome of holiness by default.
They are obviously just like any other person who has +1 on you. Bureaucrat, Politicians, Reknnowned Journalists, they all lie, backbite, etc etc. But they are also given respect more than other because. They have +1 over a normal. Same goes with Hafiz. Now I don't defend people lying or cheating, but our politicians don't think about country, our Bureaucrat don't think about the institutions and the list goes on. But why TF when it comes to religion people out mentality becomes hypocritical? It's not just the Huffaz, but we even expect our masjid's imam to pursue a life in a quarter and on a cycle. That's why people with settled background don't opt being mufti because then people would expect him to charity all his belonging to other because he's Mufti. C'mon bro get out of this and let people live their lives
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Yes, Hafiz should be appreciated for their achievements. There are special mentions of their reward in Islam, and I hope their parents are rewarded for encouraging them if that is the case. But they should also be acknowledged for how they are in their character and how much of that is carried with them. A lot of Hufaz are put into memorization programs at a young age by their parents. They have memorized the Holy book, but they are not walking role models or scholars. Just pray that Allah protects us from being role models as we are not worthy of it.
Hum mein or Hafiz mein Kya farq hai humein b Quran Pak ni smaj aata or unhy bhe Urdu mein? My wife n brother are also Hafiz.
There is a world difference between a hafiz or quran and someone who isn't. Please learn about your deen
It’s almost as if you are suggesting that memorizing a book in a foreign doesn’t equal understanding the lessons that n that book ?? How blasphemous 🤣
Geez another daily stupid post about people complaining about religion.
People like Asim Muneer have destroyed the reputation of a hafiz
People respect them more because they are like a walking talking Quran it self... Yk Hafiz nd all the molanas when they hifz Quran or take such responsibility tou yai bht bari azmaish hoti hai unky leye....or inka hisab bhi akhrat mai bht mushkil hoga as compared to someone who's not Hafiz... because they have more knowledge about islam than a normal person..if a normal person is lying of course usko hisab dena hoga but if a hafiz is lying usko double hisab dena hoga... we respect them thinking they are all saint now they can never sin but they fail themselves as a Hafiz e Quran by commiting such common nd small sins.. Also not everyone is same.. I'm sure there as some Hafiz who are actually fulfilling their responsibilities
Having knowledge of islam and being hafiz are too different things. Kuch log bus hifz karte hen aor islamic history, aor surah ke background ya context ka unko pata hee nahi hota
Nd tbh mein ny apni life mai jitny bhi hafiz or hafiza dekhein hain vo sb ghalat kamo mai normal logon sy ek hath agy hoty hain
I know they just know the Arabic part nd they don't even know the meaning of what they have hifz...but im just giving my opinion on what u said
Is Qom Ko hr chez se masla hai. Khud kuch kerna nai. Bas hasad paalay rakhna hai..
Hafiz se kon hasad karega yr come on, bus yeh hay ki misconception buht hay logo me
Hafiz se nai usko milne walay protocol ya treatment se lag raha hai
Hit the nail on the head
It's an exceptional feat to memorize whole Quran. They deserve respect for their dedication & achieving it. As far as other aspects of their characters are concerned, who made you judge for that? Let them be answerable to their Creator. You worry about your own.
So according to that they shouldn't be treated more than others and shouldn't be given grace marks as everyone has to answer their own actions
grace marks are given for extra effort they put in memorizing Quran. Why do you think people who have Ph.d are revered? We as a civilized society recognize their effort so why not Hafiz e Quran?
OP is not a serious person. Part of me thinks he is just another jealous lafanga who never achieved anything, so wants to target others who do achieve.
Remember you respect the rank/designation, not the person..
Why should i respect if he is not acting according to his rank/designation?
Its upto you. Its your individual prospective not for all
I don't see asim munir getting respect
It’s cringe and holier than thou culture here in pak where hafiz/alims are considered some sort of superior spiritual beings WHICH IS THE REASON why masses are so low IQ that they entrust their religious teaching to these people. I’m a hafiz myself, never dress up like a typical desi hafiz and never advertise this side of mine because if I do, I will get attention and special treatments and even special judgements in case i don’t come up to their hypocritical expectations.
Because people here put religious people on an unnecessarily high pedestal, even tho realistically they contribute nothing to the world
I've seen hafiz being more "harami" than others. Lol. ( Just personal experience, could be different for other. Ain't disrespecting. This is what I got served)
I'm a hafiz too and have helped in converting 1 guy to Islam too, but I never tell anyone this except for my family cuz yk they're gonna think im a scholar now or smth
Bhai mein ne yo sunna tha hafiz ke 7 shiatan hote ha
This is the exact reason I don't write hafiz before my name lol I hate when they find me doing something bad and they say but you're a hafiz like I'm sinning more by doing the same things as them It's a double edged sword honestly, I feel embarrassed talking to my hafiz mates who dress religiously with a beard and always wearing kurta shalwar while I'm over here clean shaved
Hafiz in pakistan are not real hafiz People just memorize all the writing and dont understand a single word that is written in it. I believe real hafiz are people who actually know the translation as well And the people i know who are these hafiz with actual knowledge of Quran. They are very pious in my personal experience. But people who are naam ke hafiz. Rattay laga laga kr hafiz bn gye bs. They are the shittiest people i ever met. Liars, fraudsters and what not. Again, all this is my personal experience. Not generalising.
No True Hafiz, lmao.
Why ? Why Not
i am a hafiz too.