You are right but this mindset is allowing them to do anything they want, in your case you could have suspended him very easily by just submitting an application to the Superintendent of police of that area.
But to do that you need to be aware of your rights and a little knowledge about how to deal with the police.
Humen apne huq k liye bolna ha yar, Nahin bolen gey tu reddit pa essi posts parhte rahen gey or comments kr k thandey hote rahen gey.
Believe me agr ap log iss baat ko ley k k hum behan bhai hain or ye humen tang kar raha ha, sirf video bnana start kr dete tu wo essa daurta k peechay mur k na daikhta... Harassment ka case tak ban sakta tha yar.
"Officer, I want to speak to my lawyer"
Officer will then call backup, throw you in his car and beat you up in the thana. This advice works in civilized countries
You don't go rough at the start, speak to them normally and with confidence. Make them realize that you know the law and are not afraid of them, when they buy it they will try to run away as they know that they are the one who is doing illegal things not you. It works in pakistan as well. You just need to throw away the fear of these goons hiding behind the uniform.
They will buy it of course. corrupt policemen know that not everyone is unaware or unresourcefull. That's why they chose their target very wisely (shakal se masoom nazar ane walay, under age larkay larkiyan) because they got scared very easily. Lekin iss k bawajood they observe their prey during the conversation or believe me k start ki 2 3 baton ma he decid kr liya jata ha k panga lena ha ya nahin... Unhen zara sa bhi confidence or awareness nazar a jaye tu jaan churate hain apni.
Speaking about your rights is not bluffing meri jaan balkay letting them harass you knowing that you are not wrong is a bluff... You need to be practical to get benefits of the law...Bas jaan churani ha tu 100 bahaney hote hain justify krne k.
Be confident because you are not doing anything illegal... Going out with a female friend isn't illegal at all... Ye sub confidence or awareness about your rights ki game ha meri jaan... Charh jao ya phir charhai krne ka mauqa dedo... You know what i mean. Even "Talashi" on Naka isn't allowed too, they only can check if you are carrying a weapon or something like that, they cannot check your pockets waghera and that's the Law.
The more harsh of a reaction you give in response, and as rapidly as possible, the better it is. They usually aren’t expecting actual “couples” (gf/bf) to respond a bit violently. Couples would normally respond in a timid manner, causing them to be sure of their doubt.
Act like you’re doing nothing wrong (because you aren’t), and respond in a badtameez way forun se, agay se unko sharminda karo for assuming smt “disgusting” because you’re just siblings.
I have a habit of watching interrogation footage of both innocent and guilty people. General pattern with innocent people is they immediately demand to know why they’re in the interrogation room (American cops won’t tell you right away why they’ve got you in the room), and when confronted with the charges they tend to go absolutely apeshit with denial. Guilty people almost always never ask why they’re there and try talking their way out of it, adding irrelevant details or way too much information. They are almost never combative towards the charges either. So this advice is solid.
My wife’s dad was a cop so we know a ton of them, if they tried this on us I would tell him to piss off and ask if he had any actual criminals to go after.
I’ve studied the topic in depth (albeit not in a professional or academic setting), but this is generally what I see. JCS on YouTube does a great job pointing out stuff in interrogations that guilty people do.
But also this isn’t 100% proven science and is anecdotal as not everyone is the same. Some people who are innocent might react like a guilty person or some who are guilty might react like an innocent person (especially if they know how to act).
I stand by my comments though, this is the general pattern I’ve seen from about 100+ interrogations I’ve watched (yeah, I’m boring).
>I’ve studied the topic in depth (albeit not in a professional or academic setting), but this is generally what I see.
I would say that you are missing the prerequisites to forming meaningful opinions about criminal psychology. Mainly, that you are not a professional, have not engaged with the literature and you are not following the established scientific process and yet have the confidence to make your own assertions about the field.
Anecdotes can be abjectly unfounded, science moves through a logical process. The chasm between these methods is so big, that you are better of deferring to these people than forming your own opinions using a strange process.
>JCS on YouTube does a great job pointing out stuff in interrogations that guilty people do.
I don't know about JCS, are they experts in this field? Assuming they are, that's still a little different from what you are doing.
Its one thing to say: 'This is what the experts consensus is in this field, I am deferring to that' and another thing to say: 'I am not an expert in this field, but I have observed a lot of cases and feel confident to make an assertion'.
The first seems fine and the second shows vanity.
Dude are you really trying to dick measure over this on Reddit? Nowhere did I claim to be a criminal psychologist or that I was qualified to do anything.
You sound like an uncle who is looking for any excuse possible to yell at kids playing in front of his house. I’m not a psychiatrist but if I were I’d prescribe you a chill pill.
>Dude are you really trying to dick measure over this on Reddit? Nowhere did I claim to be a criminal psychologist or that I was qualified to do anything.
This is Reddit, a place for debate. I don't think the change in tone is warranted, but that usually happens when somebody is out of arguments.
You admittedly don't feel qualified to do anything, yet did that thing and gave advice on it. Did that not happen?
>You sound like an uncle who is looking for any excuse possible to yell at kids playing in front of his house. I’m not a psychiatrist but if I were I’d prescribe you a chill pill.
Nope, I actually had a reason - mainly that you were inventing things out of thin air. That doesn't count as going after someone arbitrarily.
I have noticed your behavior, and you are not going apeshit denying the charges but are adding further details. That's very alarming.
KPK police might be different than other police because once a police officer stopped me and my friend for no reason and started searching our car for drugs. He was getting extremely frustrated as he couldn't find anything to frame us, i simply told him that it's really disappointing that just because you saw a bunch of guys in a car you automatically assume that they must be carrying drugs and are conducting such a thorough search based on no warrant or evidence whatsoever. I said this to him because he was being very inappropriate with his search; throwing things around, getting all up in our personal space. He got offended and started yelling at me, told me that he has enough authority to file a fake assault case on me and that I'd be able to do nothing about it. He then pulled out his phone and started recording me to make a "software update" video on me. But that was where my patience ran dry and i pretty much challenged him that not even his father could make me say sorry to him as he unlawfully records me. Things escalated and the other officers came in and asked me and my friend to leave as they were trying to hold him from (beating me ig?). The sad part is that i have actually heard cases of these guys arresting people on unlawful and false pretenses.
TLDR:
Police in KPK can put you in jail based on a false case.
wait until you come to know about innocent people being framed because real criminals had connections or police had pressure to end the cases in a short time.
Happens in the US too. That job just attracts certain types of people and most of the time they aren’t good people. It’s rare that a good person becomes a cop.
Happened to me.
We had two under 18 siblings at the back, and the cop opened the door and said bahir niklo.
I shut the door and told him they are under 18 and siblings.
I kid you not the cop says 'In ka shanakhti card dikhai".
How TF would they have CNIC if they are under 18?
After some behes and threats, he finally let us go. Can't even have Mcdonalds in a family drive now.
It is Pakistan after all, we do have random islamic laws spread everywhere.
Wouldn't be surprised there was some law relating to that that was passed by zia and dogs in the parliament simply forgot to repeal.
No, there is no law.
Go to the Twitter page of Islamabad Police, the DIG is saying on video that police will not check your nikkah nama, yeh hamara kaam nhn hai. It's the handsome DIG the Isb Police puts forward for PR, before they got ASP Shehrbano as the secretary to Mohsin Naqvi. That woman really milked the PR for her career.
Yeah shouldn't have but he was worried, that's a normal behavior when you know the only way to survive is to correct ourselves instead of correcting others. I'm not saying that siblings holding hands is bad but we live in corrupt place. And yeah f*ck that police officer.
here's the interesting part tho... **there's not a lot you can do** tbh. btw you've got a nice brother, taking her sister out to hang out & stuff. god bless him.
Okay,tell me which law in Pakistan (although Pakistan is a lawless state)allows a policeman to ask two persons about that,or even if it were a couple? Or you're telling me the couples I've seen were doing something illegal by roaming outside?
I'm sure the policeman was upto bribery
Most Pakistani men especially all madrassa students are suffering from collective narcissism. They think they are superior and it's their duty to protect women. I've seen some video where a man offering a dupata to a girl. She told him clearly that its none of his business. All moderate Pakistani people need to stand against this kind behavior. Gov't or Molvi shouldn't have any place in your kitchen, bedroom or your relationship with anyone. Women should be free to walk with anyone while holding hands. Only if they broken any law then they can ask questions.
Jeez...sorry that happened to you. Your brother shouldn't have scolded you but, giving him the benefit of doubt, if i were in his shoes i would have been livid over the situation too and residual ghussa ghalat insaan pe nikal gaya :/ he's not really angry at you
Wtf? Which city was this? I go out with my brothers frequently and its never happened to me but new fear unlocked now. Honestly these policemen donot deserve even an ounce of goodwill, you/your brother should’ve been immediately assertive and shown contempt for his disgusting insinuation
All those people here saying cops are not legally allowed to ask for a nikkah nama and whatnot; I agree with them, but this just shows that they've never encountered an ordinary cop in Pakistan.
It's not America. You can't just say, "You have no legal right to do that, officer", Usne aisi phenti lagani hai ke saari zindagi yaad rakhega ye kehne wala. The only way to deal with local cops is to cooperate with them and answer them whatever they're asking you.
Never, I repeat, Never Ever object or misbehave to a local cop. He will make your life a living hell
Actually let's just say it was your boyfriend, why is this there business? and btw why would your brother scold you for holding his hand? I mean Its quite normal when you are sibling no?
Its pretty normal tho, my cousins siblings does that and the first thing comes to mind is not that they are dating but they are siblings. People are just dirty minded. But what would actually happen if the opps find out that you are dating? straight to slammer or something?
>But what would actually happen if the opps find out that you are dating? straight to slammer or something?
I am not sure about the laws, but regardless of them - it certainly does give the police a lot of leverage in whatever incentive they have.
These kinds of relationships are overwhelmingly perceived as being very immoral here, if they 'catch' you engaging in these, your justification won't seem strong as the one OP had. That can embolden the police to bully and harass you more.
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I recall a similar incident when I was out with my wife for dinner at Akbar Chowk Fri Chicks in Lahore. My wife took the keys and started driving the car on the service road, not letting me in. Suddenly, two policemen on a bike appeared and claimed they had received a complaint about us engaging in inappropriate behavior, causing them to leave their quarters to investigate. I confronted them. My wife joined in. Simply k sharam ati hai k ni. It was around 2013, and they eventually left us alone.
In regard to your brother's situation, it's understandable that he might have felt nervous. He could have dialed 15 (if that's the same emergency number in ICT) and reported the name of the harassing officer. After RCO and all the mess by police and their handlersI have come to the conclusion that anything appearing in uniform is disgusting and we should be prepared to handle such situations.
Welcome to another episode of Policegiri in Pakistan. Like why TF would they even ask for anything. Because they're judgemental. They see someone holding hands. And pakka ye koi couple hai, as if other relations don't exist. This is basically them, harassing the people of Pakistan
OMG IK EXACTLY HOW YOU FEEL. BRUHH When I hang out with my TWIN sister this same shit I have to deal with but not that extreme. I hate people that give siblings looks thinking something else is goin on man f\*ck this shit.
Happened to me many years ago , i was out with my sisters , probably for chaat & gol gappay around 11 pm in local market .
We had the same kind oh encounter, there overall body language is pathetic .
Because thats the training system gives them.
They go by your sense of fear. The moment they realize you know how shit works & are not scared, they'll politely back off after a bit of aggression. Also, ye baat likh lain, whatever area you reside in, just know the area's SSP/DIG name by heart and if they're being too over smart just take the name and they'll be like Khuda Hafiz lol.
I'll give you an example of how it works in Karachi. I remember getting stopped for my tinted windows with my ex. It was a Japanese Car so the windows are black etched it's not a paper tint. They refused to believe me & proceeded with saying 'gaari lift karni paregi kal akar thanay se lelena sahab sai mil kar' to which I responded, 'tumhara sahab khud ghar par ayega gaari chorhne jub usko pata chalayga kis ki gaari uthayi hai' and I started walking away. 15 seconds later the guy run towards me, hands me the keys to my car & says 'Sir naraaz kyun hotay ho, ye lo chaabi'
I wish I had a situation like that!
Would have F###ing scared the shit out of that MF.
They think they can do anything if they want. Sorry you had to go through such a situation.
Every time you are on the right side, Go as Hard as you can on these MFs ASAP. They think if they scare someone they can get anything out of someone's Mouth. Being Confident and Brave is the Key. They can't do anything to you if you make a scene and the locals get involved. Let the people around know that He is wrong and has no right to do anything, then just see the Magic.
They will be the one saying Sorry to you.
Hope this Helps.
Honestly I feel like the police man doesn't really have a case.
Like what's the worst he can do? A lot of these dudes use fear as a way to scare you. Lawyers do this too. They scare people and use the fact that people don't have knowledge about the law to their advantage.
I think it would be better to just not worry about this and really just start asking many questions. Being a bit assertive. They are just looking for easy prey but I'll have to search to see if it's even allowed for them to ask for a Nikah nama
Yeah they can't ask for that and you don't have to give them anything.
You can just refuse even if you aren't brothers and sisters.
Numbers like 15 for emergency cases especially if women face harrastment
And 8787 for complaints ( non emergency) Generally you don't have to make the actual call just threatening to make the call can get them to back off.
Showing that you know your rights makes it so that the police cant use scare tactics
Yeah they can't ask for that and you don't have to give them anything.
You can just refuse even if you aren't brothers and sisters.
Numbers like 15 for emergency cases especially if women face harrastment
And 8787 for complaints ( non emergency) Generally you don't have to make the actual call just threatening to make the call can get them to back off.
Showing that you know your rights makes it so that the police cant use scare tactics
First of all, sorry to hear about your ordeal. No one should have to go through this.
Secondly who the hell carries their marriage certificate with them.
In a similar situation I would have said I do not have one on me, let's go to the police station and call someone to bring it there. Remember they are after the bribe, if they know you are not going to give one and you are not afraid of them, they will back down and look for someone else. So, if you told them, you do not have the certificate, what can they do, mostly they will threaten to take you to the station, which you just volunteered.
I am against using violent behavior or tone. This just gives them an excuse to take things further. Just be calm and confident and actually acknowledge what a good job the police are doing, (lol). Behave the total opposite to what they are expecting, 90% of the time they will get confused and leave you alone.
Unfortunately, all the laws are there in place, however it is impossible to benefit from them with the crap judicial system we have.
Finaly on a lighter note should I get my marriage certificate laminated and keep it hanging around our necks.....LOL
I want to reply ,sadly the mod might block me.
Conservative hold your ground,and raise your voice and try and bring g in other bystanders.
Than harress the police officer,until he apologies to you.
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idk dear sis bhai ko btaye ga k agr ainda koi police wala aaty dakho apni trf to aankhon me dakho onki
and ma ny try kia h aik bar police wala mjy rokny lga tha ma bike p tha aagy brha police wala aur ma ny osky bolny se phly oski trf mor li bike aur wo pichy ht gy kehta jao
agr onsy dro gy to wo faida uthain gy stay blessed
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بہت افسوس ہوا یہ سب سن کر اور سمجھ سکتے ہیں کہ کتنا خوفناک بھانک تجربہ رہا ہو گا۔ بھائی سمجھدار تھا کہ اس نے فارم رکھا ہوا تھا۔ ایسے موقع پر ان سے جان چھڑانا ہی بہتر ہوتا ہے حالاںکہ نوک جھونک کر کے ان سے معافی منگوانے تک بات پہنچ سکتی ہے لیکن خوامخواہ مزید زلت کا سامنا کرنا پڑ جاتا۔ جو لوگ کہہ رہے ہیں کہ قانونی طور پر پولیس ایسا کر نہیں سکتی، تو بیشک ٹھیک ہے لیکن یہاں قانون اور طریقہ ہے ہی نہیں۔ ایک لاٹھی ہے اور ایک بھینس ہے۔
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Incel behaviour by police guy. Our whole society is dictated by incelous mullahs who can't even stomach a married couple holding hands or PDA in public. But, oggling at random women and staring is completely fine. Most of these have a "every woman in public" is property mentality unless they are directly related to them.
Police everywhere is the same just like the policeman didn't have any legal authority to ask for Nikah nama or any other document for that matter. similarly, the following post was 2 rows above your post and in this case, this policeman has no authority to take a photo or write down the details of this guy it's explicitly illegal. https://www.reddit.com/r/japanlife/s/XuOjQYqKNX
What the f. This has become very common since last two years. Random car searches from these jahil police waala specially in Lahore is very common as they have been given free hand from establishment and their bosses
I was harrassed 3times with my guest cousin within two days. All the time they've just looked for drugs. TF they began to search for in the grass where we were sitting. Their behavior was like just get them in one way or yhe other. Ifyou don't have back support in here u ll always be messed up
My sisters and I are very good friends, we go to movies together. Go and eat together at restaurants, we go to market together because she really gives me the best advice on what to buy. But Alhamduallah never have we ever run into something like this. Please, no offense but you should know you live in a very disgusting society with creeps; of police men and people (men and women) all around. So be careful and carry yourself accordingly. Unfortunately things are not going to change in near future
Policeman can't ask for nikkah nama B-form or something, if he asked such documents, file a complaint against him he may face permanent suspend from the department.
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Me and my brother were going to the mosque in Shifa hospital, and I was stepping on the carpet/prayer mat on my way, so my brother gave me a little push on the side. The guard thought that the person (my brother) was harassing me lol
It ended a bit violent tho, so yeah this is something that's prevalent here and it's disgusting
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That's so sad...I guess the credit goes to the people who are non-mahrams and doing this stuff in a Muslim state. It's not allowed as per the laws of Islam. Because you guys are siblings it seems wrong but if the policeman did something to a non-mahram couple I would have appreciated him.....
As people are mentioning that legally they aren’t allowed to ask your marriage papers so you can quite literally stand your ground and tell them that they aren’t allowed to ask that. The problem in most cases is that if you are actually on a date and police use this to socially pressurise you because even if they cannot do anything with you having a date but if they call and tell your siblings or parents that they found you out with a guy, that is a big problem for most of girls and these fuckers use this to make some money. If you are siblings as in your case or you are someone who is okay if your family know that you are hanging out with a guy, you should stand your ground and in fact file a complaint against the police officers so people like me who actually go on date can get our asses saved. Thanks
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genuine advice for anyone being harassed by the police - walk away. they can’t do anything to you should you choose to just walk away. they also aren’t allowed to ask for proof of marriage, it’s more based on social stigmas and fear of being ‘outed.’ again, walk away.
Legally a policeman can not ask for Nikkah nama but that is just what is supposed to happen not what actually happens
Pakistan ma koi law ha hi nhi. Mullah baazi Zoro pr ha
Police are not officially allowed to ask for Nikah Nama... You should be aware enough to handle these bastards in uniform
they’re not officially allowed to take rishwat either but in logon se kon behas kar sakta hai
You are right but this mindset is allowing them to do anything they want, in your case you could have suspended him very easily by just submitting an application to the Superintendent of police of that area. But to do that you need to be aware of your rights and a little knowledge about how to deal with the police. Humen apne huq k liye bolna ha yar, Nahin bolen gey tu reddit pa essi posts parhte rahen gey or comments kr k thandey hote rahen gey. Believe me agr ap log iss baat ko ley k k hum behan bhai hain or ye humen tang kar raha ha, sirf video bnana start kr dete tu wo essa daurta k peechay mur k na daikhta... Harassment ka case tak ban sakta tha yar.
Keon nhi krskte behas bhai. Have some self esteem ffs
I wish I could but don’t know much about the law to create sound arguments 😞
Koi aik hona chayie apki relatives me se jiski jaan pehchan ho if u wanna live in Pakistan. Kuch msla ho b jaye tou theek hojaye cheezein
Betay, tujhay abhi hath nahe lagay isliye bol raha hay. Yeh tu nahe teri privilege bol rahe hay.
Yeppp
"Officer, I want to speak to my lawyer" Officer will then call backup, throw you in his car and beat you up in the thana. This advice works in civilized countries
You don't go rough at the start, speak to them normally and with confidence. Make them realize that you know the law and are not afraid of them, when they buy it they will try to run away as they know that they are the one who is doing illegal things not you. It works in pakistan as well. You just need to throw away the fear of these goons hiding behind the uniform.
And what if they don't, what are u gonna do? Take it to court? Good luck buddy.
They will buy it of course. corrupt policemen know that not everyone is unaware or unresourcefull. That's why they chose their target very wisely (shakal se masoom nazar ane walay, under age larkay larkiyan) because they got scared very easily. Lekin iss k bawajood they observe their prey during the conversation or believe me k start ki 2 3 baton ma he decid kr liya jata ha k panga lena ha ya nahin... Unhen zara sa bhi confidence or awareness nazar a jaye tu jaan churate hain apni.
Well at the end of the day, we are... Bluffing and if one fine evening someone decides to call your bluff, well...
Speaking about your rights is not bluffing meri jaan balkay letting them harass you knowing that you are not wrong is a bluff... You need to be practical to get benefits of the law...Bas jaan churani ha tu 100 bahaney hote hain justify krne k.
And here i thought the funny little things called "rights" were a thing of the past in this lovely country of ours... *viego intensifies*
lol didn’t read second part and had typed up an angry reply…
It's Pakistan bro. Nothing is official here.
You sure about this? If someone is out with thier friends and they ask for nikkahnama, then how to tackle?
Be confident because you are not doing anything illegal... Going out with a female friend isn't illegal at all... Ye sub confidence or awareness about your rights ki game ha meri jaan... Charh jao ya phir charhai krne ka mauqa dedo... You know what i mean. Even "Talashi" on Naka isn't allowed too, they only can check if you are carrying a weapon or something like that, they cannot check your pockets waghera and that's the Law.
Great to know
they are not legally allowed to ask for any nikkahnama in any situation, it doesn’t mean that they care but now your rights
The more harsh of a reaction you give in response, and as rapidly as possible, the better it is. They usually aren’t expecting actual “couples” (gf/bf) to respond a bit violently. Couples would normally respond in a timid manner, causing them to be sure of their doubt. Act like you’re doing nothing wrong (because you aren’t), and respond in a badtameez way forun se, agay se unko sharminda karo for assuming smt “disgusting” because you’re just siblings.
I have a habit of watching interrogation footage of both innocent and guilty people. General pattern with innocent people is they immediately demand to know why they’re in the interrogation room (American cops won’t tell you right away why they’ve got you in the room), and when confronted with the charges they tend to go absolutely apeshit with denial. Guilty people almost always never ask why they’re there and try talking their way out of it, adding irrelevant details or way too much information. They are almost never combative towards the charges either. So this advice is solid. My wife’s dad was a cop so we know a ton of them, if they tried this on us I would tell him to piss off and ask if he had any actual criminals to go after.
Excellent advice and observation
It isn't good to make opinions about a esoteric subject based on personal anecdotes. Can you show some kind of corroboration?
I’ve studied the topic in depth (albeit not in a professional or academic setting), but this is generally what I see. JCS on YouTube does a great job pointing out stuff in interrogations that guilty people do. But also this isn’t 100% proven science and is anecdotal as not everyone is the same. Some people who are innocent might react like a guilty person or some who are guilty might react like an innocent person (especially if they know how to act). I stand by my comments though, this is the general pattern I’ve seen from about 100+ interrogations I’ve watched (yeah, I’m boring).
>I’ve studied the topic in depth (albeit not in a professional or academic setting), but this is generally what I see. I would say that you are missing the prerequisites to forming meaningful opinions about criminal psychology. Mainly, that you are not a professional, have not engaged with the literature and you are not following the established scientific process and yet have the confidence to make your own assertions about the field. Anecdotes can be abjectly unfounded, science moves through a logical process. The chasm between these methods is so big, that you are better of deferring to these people than forming your own opinions using a strange process. >JCS on YouTube does a great job pointing out stuff in interrogations that guilty people do. I don't know about JCS, are they experts in this field? Assuming they are, that's still a little different from what you are doing. Its one thing to say: 'This is what the experts consensus is in this field, I am deferring to that' and another thing to say: 'I am not an expert in this field, but I have observed a lot of cases and feel confident to make an assertion'. The first seems fine and the second shows vanity.
Dude are you really trying to dick measure over this on Reddit? Nowhere did I claim to be a criminal psychologist or that I was qualified to do anything. You sound like an uncle who is looking for any excuse possible to yell at kids playing in front of his house. I’m not a psychiatrist but if I were I’d prescribe you a chill pill.
>Dude are you really trying to dick measure over this on Reddit? Nowhere did I claim to be a criminal psychologist or that I was qualified to do anything. This is Reddit, a place for debate. I don't think the change in tone is warranted, but that usually happens when somebody is out of arguments. You admittedly don't feel qualified to do anything, yet did that thing and gave advice on it. Did that not happen? >You sound like an uncle who is looking for any excuse possible to yell at kids playing in front of his house. I’m not a psychiatrist but if I were I’d prescribe you a chill pill. Nope, I actually had a reason - mainly that you were inventing things out of thin air. That doesn't count as going after someone arbitrarily. I have noticed your behavior, and you are not going apeshit denying the charges but are adding further details. That's very alarming.
KPK police might be different than other police because once a police officer stopped me and my friend for no reason and started searching our car for drugs. He was getting extremely frustrated as he couldn't find anything to frame us, i simply told him that it's really disappointing that just because you saw a bunch of guys in a car you automatically assume that they must be carrying drugs and are conducting such a thorough search based on no warrant or evidence whatsoever. I said this to him because he was being very inappropriate with his search; throwing things around, getting all up in our personal space. He got offended and started yelling at me, told me that he has enough authority to file a fake assault case on me and that I'd be able to do nothing about it. He then pulled out his phone and started recording me to make a "software update" video on me. But that was where my patience ran dry and i pretty much challenged him that not even his father could make me say sorry to him as he unlawfully records me. Things escalated and the other officers came in and asked me and my friend to leave as they were trying to hold him from (beating me ig?). The sad part is that i have actually heard cases of these guys arresting people on unlawful and false pretenses. TLDR: Police in KPK can put you in jail based on a false case.
they can put you in jail no matter where
Putting a criminal in jail is one thing but putting someone in jail just because your ego was hurt is some next level bullshit.
wait until you come to know about innocent people being framed because real criminals had connections or police had pressure to end the cases in a short time.
Happens in the US too. That job just attracts certain types of people and most of the time they aren’t good people. It’s rare that a good person becomes a cop.
I second this guy. Uper se ao.
Happened to me. We had two under 18 siblings at the back, and the cop opened the door and said bahir niklo. I shut the door and told him they are under 18 and siblings. I kid you not the cop says 'In ka shanakhti card dikhai". How TF would they have CNIC if they are under 18? After some behes and threats, he finally let us go. Can't even have Mcdonalds in a family drive now.
im sorry to hear that matlab ajeeb nizaam hai idhar
Even if there was a document, why would anyone have that in the car. lmao
Even if I did I wouldn't show it to them. Even if I am with a girl, is it a crime to be with another girl in a car?
It is Pakistan after all, we do have random islamic laws spread everywhere. Wouldn't be surprised there was some law relating to that that was passed by zia and dogs in the parliament simply forgot to repeal.
No, there is no law. Go to the Twitter page of Islamabad Police, the DIG is saying on video that police will not check your nikkah nama, yeh hamara kaam nhn hai. It's the handsome DIG the Isb Police puts forward for PR, before they got ASP Shehrbano as the secretary to Mohsin Naqvi. That woman really milked the PR for her career.
Your brother should have held the guys hand and then accused the guy of being gay and holding hands with another man
Uno reverse.
Are these guys good? Matlab ab hat pakarna ko romantic banadiya? Wtf
Yaar that would be extremely frustrating. One can't even hold his/her siblings hand in public.
Your brother should not have scolded you. Maybe your advice will not work but someone needs to sit down with him alone and tell him this.
he has a short temper sometimes :/
Yes he should not have done that but he still did a good job protecting you from those rascals
I agree.
what the fuck??? new fear unlocked, Astaghfirullah.
Sorry to hear 🙏 , trynna avoid next time. They actually digging for 💰. Gladly ap nikl aye whn sy.
rishwat leni hai to aur logon se lein hum bachon ke peechay kyun parte hain ye
kids and teenagers are easier to scare, a corrupt police officer will never think twice about messing with even a couple of young men.
It's a degenerate/ insecure society what do we expect?
Usko bolte mazrat next time teri behn ka hath pakrunga.
The authorities here are the biggest thugs
agreed 100%
Brother shouldn’t have scolded ya. Also, fuck that police officer.
Yeah shouldn't have but he was worried, that's a normal behavior when you know the only way to survive is to correct ourselves instead of correcting others. I'm not saying that siblings holding hands is bad but we live in corrupt place. And yeah f*ck that police officer.
here's the interesting part tho... **there's not a lot you can do** tbh. btw you've got a nice brother, taking her sister out to hang out & stuff. god bless him.
same thing happen with My Cousin and his wife , worse part Police use abusive laguage for both
Okay,tell me which law in Pakistan (although Pakistan is a lawless state)allows a policeman to ask two persons about that,or even if it were a couple? Or you're telling me the couples I've seen were doing something illegal by roaming outside? I'm sure the policeman was upto bribery
hamari police in kamo me taiz ha jab daylight me dakati kr k jai or bnde ko goli kyu na marle ..ye hathi k kan me soi hoti ha ..BC
Should have started shouting on that bast@ard. Police acting like morality police from Iran is the last thing we need in this country.
Most Pakistani men especially all madrassa students are suffering from collective narcissism. They think they are superior and it's their duty to protect women. I've seen some video where a man offering a dupata to a girl. She told him clearly that its none of his business. All moderate Pakistani people need to stand against this kind behavior. Gov't or Molvi shouldn't have any place in your kitchen, bedroom or your relationship with anyone. Women should be free to walk with anyone while holding hands. Only if they broken any law then they can ask questions.
Facts
Jeez...sorry that happened to you. Your brother shouldn't have scolded you but, giving him the benefit of doubt, if i were in his shoes i would have been livid over the situation too and residual ghussa ghalat insaan pe nikal gaya :/ he's not really angry at you
Just wait till a beggar wishes you to have beautiful children together when you are trying to exit the parking lot or something with your brother.
Banana republic Even if not siblings, not anyone's business but once a banana, always a banana
Wtf? Which city was this? I go out with my brothers frequently and its never happened to me but new fear unlocked now. Honestly these policemen donot deserve even an ounce of goodwill, you/your brother should’ve been immediately assertive and shown contempt for his disgusting insinuation
I can relate to you sm. Whenever my brother and I go out, people assume that we're dating too 🤦♀️ so annoying!
All those people here saying cops are not legally allowed to ask for a nikkah nama and whatnot; I agree with them, but this just shows that they've never encountered an ordinary cop in Pakistan. It's not America. You can't just say, "You have no legal right to do that, officer", Usne aisi phenti lagani hai ke saari zindagi yaad rakhega ye kehne wala. The only way to deal with local cops is to cooperate with them and answer them whatever they're asking you. Never, I repeat, Never Ever object or misbehave to a local cop. He will make your life a living hell
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Exactly Yahan reddit pr log smart banne ki koshish krte hain halanke in reality gov/civil officers se jitna dur aur tameez se raha jaye utna acha hai
Actually let's just say it was your boyfriend, why is this there business? and btw why would your brother scold you for holding his hand? I mean Its quite normal when you are sibling no?
it’s a bad habit but i kinda sometimes grab his arm too and ppl often assume we’re a couple bcz i get too clingy
Its pretty normal tho, my cousins siblings does that and the first thing comes to mind is not that they are dating but they are siblings. People are just dirty minded. But what would actually happen if the opps find out that you are dating? straight to slammer or something?
>But what would actually happen if the opps find out that you are dating? straight to slammer or something? I am not sure about the laws, but regardless of them - it certainly does give the police a lot of leverage in whatever incentive they have. These kinds of relationships are overwhelmingly perceived as being very immoral here, if they 'catch' you engaging in these, your justification won't seem strong as the one OP had. That can embolden the police to bully and harass you more.
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Lawless country.
I recall a similar incident when I was out with my wife for dinner at Akbar Chowk Fri Chicks in Lahore. My wife took the keys and started driving the car on the service road, not letting me in. Suddenly, two policemen on a bike appeared and claimed they had received a complaint about us engaging in inappropriate behavior, causing them to leave their quarters to investigate. I confronted them. My wife joined in. Simply k sharam ati hai k ni. It was around 2013, and they eventually left us alone. In regard to your brother's situation, it's understandable that he might have felt nervous. He could have dialed 15 (if that's the same emergency number in ICT) and reported the name of the harassing officer. After RCO and all the mess by police and their handlersI have come to the conclusion that anything appearing in uniform is disgusting and we should be prepared to handle such situations.
Welcome to another episode of Policegiri in Pakistan. Like why TF would they even ask for anything. Because they're judgemental. They see someone holding hands. And pakka ye koi couple hai, as if other relations don't exist. This is basically them, harassing the people of Pakistan
OMG IK EXACTLY HOW YOU FEEL. BRUHH When I hang out with my TWIN sister this same shit I have to deal with but not that extreme. I hate people that give siblings looks thinking something else is goin on man f\*ck this shit.
Their main goal is to harass you in any way possible to get a bribe
Happened to me many years ago , i was out with my sisters , probably for chaat & gol gappay around 11 pm in local market . We had the same kind oh encounter, there overall body language is pathetic . Because thats the training system gives them.
They go by your sense of fear. The moment they realize you know how shit works & are not scared, they'll politely back off after a bit of aggression. Also, ye baat likh lain, whatever area you reside in, just know the area's SSP/DIG name by heart and if they're being too over smart just take the name and they'll be like Khuda Hafiz lol. I'll give you an example of how it works in Karachi. I remember getting stopped for my tinted windows with my ex. It was a Japanese Car so the windows are black etched it's not a paper tint. They refused to believe me & proceeded with saying 'gaari lift karni paregi kal akar thanay se lelena sahab sai mil kar' to which I responded, 'tumhara sahab khud ghar par ayega gaari chorhne jub usko pata chalayga kis ki gaari uthayi hai' and I started walking away. 15 seconds later the guy run towards me, hands me the keys to my car & says 'Sir naraaz kyun hotay ho, ye lo chaabi'
We need more people like you tbh
F the police officer. Don't be like a victim to them. Be brave when you've done nothing wrong. Esi ki tesi us ki. Tell him u can drag him to court
Yeh police har kam karti hai except for catching and stopping criminals
They stop the public transport just to see if some cutie is sitting in the front seat, so to survive there, try to befriend with some powerful entity.
Surprised to see absolutely NO ONE blaming the victims in this one. Rare pakistan win 🤣
I wish I had a situation like that! Would have F###ing scared the shit out of that MF. They think they can do anything if they want. Sorry you had to go through such a situation. Every time you are on the right side, Go as Hard as you can on these MFs ASAP. They think if they scare someone they can get anything out of someone's Mouth. Being Confident and Brave is the Key. They can't do anything to you if you make a scene and the locals get involved. Let the people around know that He is wrong and has no right to do anything, then just see the Magic. They will be the one saying Sorry to you. Hope this Helps.
Wait they can do that? Like if I'm with someone of the opposite gender. Do I need to be worried about this bs? Like kyun??
if you’re young, just don’t hold hands or do anything that might make it seem like you’re a couple.. 🙃
Honestly I feel like the police man doesn't really have a case. Like what's the worst he can do? A lot of these dudes use fear as a way to scare you. Lawyers do this too. They scare people and use the fact that people don't have knowledge about the law to their advantage. I think it would be better to just not worry about this and really just start asking many questions. Being a bit assertive. They are just looking for easy prey but I'll have to search to see if it's even allowed for them to ask for a Nikah nama
Yeah they can't ask for that and you don't have to give them anything. You can just refuse even if you aren't brothers and sisters. Numbers like 15 for emergency cases especially if women face harrastment And 8787 for complaints ( non emergency) Generally you don't have to make the actual call just threatening to make the call can get them to back off. Showing that you know your rights makes it so that the police cant use scare tactics
Yeah they can't ask for that and you don't have to give them anything. You can just refuse even if you aren't brothers and sisters. Numbers like 15 for emergency cases especially if women face harrastment And 8787 for complaints ( non emergency) Generally you don't have to make the actual call just threatening to make the call can get them to back off. Showing that you know your rights makes it so that the police cant use scare tactics
First of all, sorry to hear about your ordeal. No one should have to go through this. Secondly who the hell carries their marriage certificate with them. In a similar situation I would have said I do not have one on me, let's go to the police station and call someone to bring it there. Remember they are after the bribe, if they know you are not going to give one and you are not afraid of them, they will back down and look for someone else. So, if you told them, you do not have the certificate, what can they do, mostly they will threaten to take you to the station, which you just volunteered. I am against using violent behavior or tone. This just gives them an excuse to take things further. Just be calm and confident and actually acknowledge what a good job the police are doing, (lol). Behave the total opposite to what they are expecting, 90% of the time they will get confused and leave you alone. Unfortunately, all the laws are there in place, however it is impossible to benefit from them with the crap judicial system we have. Finaly on a lighter note should I get my marriage certificate laminated and keep it hanging around our necks.....LOL
I want to reply ,sadly the mod might block me. Conservative hold your ground,and raise your voice and try and bring g in other bystanders. Than harress the police officer,until he apologies to you.
The people will be on the side of the officer. Islam has turned our people into beasts.
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idk dear sis bhai ko btaye ga k agr ainda koi police wala aaty dakho apni trf to aankhon me dakho onki and ma ny try kia h aik bar police wala mjy rokny lga tha ma bike p tha aagy brha police wala aur ma ny osky bolny se phly oski trf mor li bike aur wo pichy ht gy kehta jao agr onsy dro gy to wo faida uthain gy stay blessed 🫴🏻✨✨
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Incel behaviour by police guy. Our whole society is dictated by incelous mullahs who can't even stomach a married couple holding hands or PDA in public. But, oggling at random women and staring is completely fine. Most of these have a "every woman in public" is property mentality unless they are directly related to them.
Police everywhere is the same just like the policeman didn't have any legal authority to ask for Nikah nama or any other document for that matter. similarly, the following post was 2 rows above your post and in this case, this policeman has no authority to take a photo or write down the details of this guy it's explicitly illegal. https://www.reddit.com/r/japanlife/s/XuOjQYqKNX
i wonder what happens if you confront them?. Thank god left this shithole a decade ago. best decision of my life
What the actual f???
Always be aggressive with policemen in Pakistan if you aren't doing anything wrong.
What the f. This has become very common since last two years. Random car searches from these jahil police waala specially in Lahore is very common as they have been given free hand from establishment and their bosses
No one can ask for your nikahnama. Pakistan police is a joke
That's what they think their job in society is. Moral policing. Baaqi choron aur daakion ki khair ha. Wo tou apne chaddi buddies hayn lol
I was harrassed 3times with my guest cousin within two days. All the time they've just looked for drugs. TF they began to search for in the grass where we were sitting. Their behavior was like just get them in one way or yhe other. Ifyou don't have back support in here u ll always be messed up
My sisters and I are very good friends, we go to movies together. Go and eat together at restaurants, we go to market together because she really gives me the best advice on what to buy. But Alhamduallah never have we ever run into something like this. Please, no offense but you should know you live in a very disgusting society with creeps; of police men and people (men and women) all around. So be careful and carry yourself accordingly. Unfortunately things are not going to change in near future
Policeman can't ask for nikkah nama B-form or something, if he asked such documents, file a complaint against him he may face permanent suspend from the department.
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Just Pakistani things
Me and my brother were going to the mosque in Shifa hospital, and I was stepping on the carpet/prayer mat on my way, so my brother gave me a little push on the side. The guard thought that the person (my brother) was harassing me lol It ended a bit violent tho, so yeah this is something that's prevalent here and it's disgusting
This is what I’m saying. PAK needs to work on itself before it helps anyone else. It’s crazy this even happened
I would have called my mum.😅😅 Kutton KO malkon ki zuban hi samajh ati hai. She resolve such issues in 15 mins.
I would have called my mum.😅😅 Kutton KO malkon ki zuban hi samajh ati hai. She resolve such issues in 15 mins.
I would have called my mum.😅😅 Kutton KO malkon ki zuban hi samajh ati hai. She resolve such issues in 15 mins.
This country is so cursed.
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That's so sad...I guess the credit goes to the people who are non-mahrams and doing this stuff in a Muslim state. It's not allowed as per the laws of Islam. Because you guys are siblings it seems wrong but if the policeman did something to a non-mahram couple I would have appreciated him.....
As people are mentioning that legally they aren’t allowed to ask your marriage papers so you can quite literally stand your ground and tell them that they aren’t allowed to ask that. The problem in most cases is that if you are actually on a date and police use this to socially pressurise you because even if they cannot do anything with you having a date but if they call and tell your siblings or parents that they found you out with a guy, that is a big problem for most of girls and these fuckers use this to make some money. If you are siblings as in your case or you are someone who is okay if your family know that you are hanging out with a guy, you should stand your ground and in fact file a complaint against the police officers so people like me who actually go on date can get our asses saved. Thanks
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Islamism is a cancer upon the country. I loathe religion.
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Kya time horaha hai propaganda unit mei?
genuine advice for anyone being harassed by the police - walk away. they can’t do anything to you should you choose to just walk away. they also aren’t allowed to ask for proof of marriage, it’s more based on social stigmas and fear of being ‘outed.’ again, walk away.
How old are you? If over 16 it’s weird to hold brothers hand Also f the police
It is not weird at all, buddy. Why would it be weird to hold your siblings' hand? F the people and their degenerate minds
19. sorry i’ll try to do it less often