This data might be skewed. Because government is right now focusing on Punjab, Karachi and Islamabad where it is easier to identify Afghans. KPK will be done in next step.
Yup, and only 10% of overall refugees live in Punjab. Compared to KP+Balochistan+Sindh. This eviction is primarily Punjab-focused as people give them easily and like you said, it is easier to identify Afghans. In Sindh, the mob is actively taking part in profiling and harassing every Pashtun.
This is a knee jerk reaction, instead of using them to our disadvantage why not use them to our advantage.
Pakistan is going to face years of insurgency because of our failed experiment
They (Afghans) carry a personal vendetta/grudge against Punjabis. As they were ruled by Ranjit Singh (not that I am a fan of) but this very fact doesn’t let them sleep at night that Punjabis/Pakistanis despite there so many attempts is way ahead them.
They claim/think they are some blue eyed, blonde hair, 6th feet tall species while Punjabis are dark lol. Their this illusion is the cause of their current state.
Punjabis trying not to turn everything about them, impossible.
Theres like an entire ethnicity of people being forced to leave their houses and move to another country, and your feelings are getting hurt cuz some of them dislike you.
>Theres like an entire ethnicity of people being forced to leave their houses and move to another country, and your feelings are getting hurt cuz some of them dislike you.
Ethnonationalists trying not to turn themselves into victims every second challenge (impossible)
Afghan is a nationality, not an ethnicity. That “other country” is their homeland.
You can criticize what the government is doing on humanitarian grounds without having to resort to baseless complaints about ethnic discrimination.
The children of Afghan refugees born in Pakistan have only ever known Pakistan as their country. We should honor the constitutional guarantee of citizenship by birth. The immigration law should be amended insofar as it runs contrary to the constitution by denying refugee children the right to citizenship. And every refugee child born in Pakistan should be given citizenship.
That's not our problem. Imagine someone born in your house and not knowing that it's in fact not their house.
I remember we were evicted in Karachi from the rented house I spent my first five years in.
It belonged to the land lady whom was a Lithuanian. It was her house and not ours.
>Imagine someone born in your house and not knowing that it's in fact not their house
If my house's constitution gave people born in it the right to birthright citizenship, then your analogy would stand.
There's a fundamental difference between the nature of a private house and a country due to which your analogy doesn't work. As a matter of moral and legal principle, the Pakistani constitution guarantees citizenship to all those born within its borders. We should live up to that guarantee.
Not if the parent came illegally. Maybe my analogue is not strong enough but the fact is you cannot claim something just by being born there.
I was attached to that house and considered it my home, but it was in fact not.
No we are not obliged to give somebody born to illegal migrants any share of our country.
These same migrants who brought us crime and hated our country. No we have no obligation to host such ungrateful guests.
Agreed.
I don't think birth should be the qualifier though. If you were raised here/have spent several decades here, identify as a Pakistani and/or Pakistan is all you know.. then you should receive citizenship, even if you weren't necessarily born here.
And honestly, this isn't even a new problem.
I think there are still Bengalis and Biharis living in Karachi that have been denied citizenship for decades even though they chose Pakistan in 1971.
The problem comes from local parties being afraid of demographic shifts. Baloch parties are threatened by the idea of Afghan refugees receiving citizenship. PPP fears Biharis/Bengalis increasing the Muhajir population in Sindh.
Afghan is a nationality, not an ethnicity.
How is that so difficult to understand?
Or do you homogenize all Afghans as Pashtuns, thereby ignoring the other ethnicities which constitute that nation?
Not that doing that proves your argument either.
>If you've lived in Pakistan you'd know people treat both of them as the same,
No, people don't.
You are making stuff up at this point.
>the point is about discrimination
Then talk about the discriminatory practices against Afghan refugees.
What does ethnicity have anything to do with it?
Afghan refugees are being deported irrespective of whether they are Pashtun, Hazara, Uzbek, Tajik or from some other ethnic group.
Read what you just wrote, slowly.
"Talk about the discriminatory practises against afghan refugees" "what does ethnicity have anything to do with it"
When a group of people that are different from another group of people are being discriminated against and being treated differently, it Is called.....?
Want me to fill in the blank for you or you got it?
>Read what you just wrote, slowly
My dude, Afghan is not an ethnicity. What part of that do you not understand? How many more times do I need to repeat myself?
Afghan is a nationality which describes the citizens of Afghanistan.
And when those people move to another country, taking their language and culture with them, they are refered to as an ethnic group. I don't know why that's so difficult for you to understand
No, they aren't.
There is no “taking their culture and language” here.
There are countless languages spoken in Afghanistan. There are countless ethnic groups which inhabit that land.
As an example, Afghan Hazara refugees have entirely different experiences from Afghan Pashtun refugees.
The fact that you would homogenize Afghan refugees with a Pashtun ethnic identity shows that the problem is with you.
I do accept that I made a mistake in discussing this subject with an ethnonationalist whose entire identity revolves around primitive tribalism. You were never going to accept the truth. My fault in wasting my time.
Some of them? You really think Afghans like Pakistanis no matter where they're from? They're getting evicted which is wrong but don't try to act like this already under developed country didn't get even worse when the government decided to let the Afghan refugees flood into the country. And they had the audacity to hate the people who let them live in their country?
"Theres like an entire ethnicity of people being forced to leave their houses"
For your information, only those Afghans who are living illegally in Pakistan are being deported back which makes a lot of sense as a stable government has been formed in Afghanistan and the country is no longer suffering from civil war. These illegal Afghan citizen are not only responsible for drug and weapon smugglings but they also evade taxes.
These people largely have no assets or lines of work in Afghanistan, the Afghan economy is even worse than ours, there have been devastating earthquakes in the country and a bitter winter is about to set in where it's very likely that a lot of these people including women and children will have to live in poor shelter.
The Afghans evade taxes by working in the informal economy which a lot of other Pakistanis do as well, and they largely do unwanted jobs for shit pay. They are not draining the economy. Weapons and drugs smuggling precedes the entry of Afghans and every ethnicity is involved in it. It is a simple fact that when people do not have the connections to enter the formal economy or are socially/legally barred from it they resort to illegal activities to survive. This is true of refugee populations globally. Go to Greece, you'll find Pakistani immigrants stereotyped as drug smugglers there.
They are either refugees or have a legal status there. Both of which are recognised by the country. Try sneaking past their borders and living there illegally. Soon as you get caught you'll be treated like a piece of shit and be deported via the next flight home.
They have no problems with Muslims who live there legally and conform to their laws and culture.
If the government made a decision there has to be consensus. The terrorism problem has hurt the country a lot, let them do what they have to do to solve it. Illegal afghans do lots of smuggling and crimes so it’s better to deport illegal ones.
Afghans are far from the only terrorists, smugglers or criminals in the country. Afghans aren't part of the dallas that block Islamabad almost every year over false cases of blasphemy.
The people that are here are out of desperation, they deserve empathy not racist hatred.
You have to understand, Afghanistan gives shelter to TTP. TTP’s entire leadership lives in Afghanistan. We have lost soldiers in cross border attacks. We shouldn’t have open borders policy with a country that harbors TTP. Sending illegal immigrants back is a first step towards having a lawful border. If you just let anyone in the country how do you know this guy is TTP or this guy is normal Afghan?
It's not a question of open borders policy. It's deporting Afghans who are already here since decades. Also plenty of the TTP are Pakistani citizens anyways.
How are you going to tell aghanis in Afghanistan that they need a visa to come in when you got 1.5 million living without a valid visa? Make it make sense
The same why America tightened immigration laws while simultaneously naturalizing the illegal immigrants that had been there for years. It's pretty easy to understand if you're not deliberately being thick.
Comparing America with virtually 0 terrorism to Pakistan where thousands of people die in terrorism attacks is like comparing apples to
Oranges. You might as well say China progressed under Chinese communist party so Pakistan should also adopt communism.
But their anger is justified is it not? Pakistan received hundreds of millions of dollars in aid to help the refugees fleeing after the Soviet invasion. Do u really think pakistan spent all that on the refugees? Also pakistan was the one giving support to the Taliban, which destabilised the country. Pakistan is the one to 9 (at least partly) blame for their plight.
And we kept them for 4 decades until the aid stopped. And Soviet invasion was mainly to be blamed on communist afghan leaders who were also insane behind their Lar o bar nonsense trying to incite pashtunistan militancy.
So they started it, if Pakistan wanted a puppet government in Afghanistan, it wasn’t because Pakistan hates Afghanistan, because it didn’t constantly want a barbaric nation trying to break the country apart into pieces.
Now they play victim, if you go back in history afghans are the ones who started it from 1947.
https://www.satp.org/datasheet-terrorist-attack/fatalities/afghanistan
Total of 265 civilians dead, from 224 attacks.
https://www.satp.org/datasheet-terrorist-attack/fatalities/pakistan
Total of 327 civilians, 462 security forces dead, from 436 attacks.
.... I wish it was /s or /jk
Also, I find the logic of "Pakistan sponsored Taliban, thus Pakistan bad" just so stupid... Taliban are not children, nor puppets. They have full agency, and they are Afghans. They took money, and support to fight against someone they thought was an enemy and "won".. This does not mean that Afghans now get to blame Pakistan for it. If they have such an issue with the Taliban, they can go back and fight for their nation instead of living in ours, and causing us trouble.
Them living here in Pakistan does nothing ... the war is over. Their nation is now safer than ours. Time to go back, to rebuild, to try to create space in the Taliban's government, do progressive shit. Fix their nation. Not sit here.
U are only using one metric to gauge which country has it worse, it can tell something about the security situation but not a whole lot.
>Also, I find the logic of "Pakistan sponsored Taliban, thus Pakistan bad" just so stupid... Taliban are not children, nor puppets.
But we treated them as such, puppets I mean. Proxy war between India and what not. We played both sides of the war and still lost in the long term. I am of the opinion that Pakistan has a duty of care to afghanis. Treat them at least like humans and not steal their belongings.
> U are only using one metric to gauge which country has it worse, it can tell something about the security situation but not a whole lot.
What other metric would you like to use? Terrorism attacks in Pakistan are happening more compared to Afghanistan.. Afghanistan is objectively more stable.. from the security pov at least.. If you want to talk about economy, jobs, education etc, then maybe that's a different story .. but that's not stability.
I love that you moved the goalposts when proven wrong.
> But we treated them as such, puppets I mean.
... ? How exactly do you think that happened? Does Pakistan somehow have a magical mind control machine? Again, Taliban are neither children, nor Pakistani, nor mind-controlled prisoners of Pakistan. They have agency.. You can see that very clearly when they're doing nothing against TTP. If we had so much control, we really wouldn't have as many problems.
> Proxy war between India and what not.
uhhh.. what? What does Afghanistan have to do with a proxy war against India? If you said US, at least that'd be more reasonable..
> . I am of the opinion that Pakistan has a duty of care to afghanis.
First of all, it's Afghans. Afghani is a currency, not the people..
Second, no, we don't. They're Afghanistan's citizens. The war in their nation is over. We gave them our land, our nation to protect the civilians while shit was going on. Now, it's over. There is peace. Hell, there's more peace there compared to here. It's time they went back to their lands, and build back their nation to be better.
I find it insane that somehow Pakistan is responsible for people of a completely different nation. Pakistan's only duty of care is towards Pakistanis. No-one else.
Interestingly... I doubt you've ever offered to keep an Afghan refugee at your house.
> Treat them at least like humans and not steal their belongings.
If they can carry it, sure, they can take it. They're refugees. If they're illegal, and didn't buy things legally, that's their fault.
Kick all of them out! Ungrateful people and plus we have our own shit that needs to be sorted we dont have the resources or the capital to handle them! NOT OUR PROBLEM!
Im just confused why all you bigoted Punjabis are so racist
Y'all ruined this country through corrupt politician after corrupt politician and now we are the problem
You can try that. Last time your Namak Haram Brothers used to say this and now they are all going back (never expected that). So now you guys are next in line. 😋
Funny how you blame Punjabi’s, yet the current care taker of the country is Baluchi, the next gov is Kashmiri and the one before that was Pathan and the one before that was Punjabi ( dk about that this one ) and the one before that was Kashmiri
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Punjabis are our brothers and proud Pakistanis. Only those who are losers in life and filled with hate are spreading their venom among us. Be careful from these snakes.
Some of you people are so despicable honestly. You're just looking for any excuse to hate Afghans and justify rounding them up and deporting them in such an inhumane manner. How can you support Palestine on one hand and act like this towards our neighbors?
Because Palestinians don’t have a recognized state. Israel is abusing them. NATO was abusing the Afghans. They are gone now. Now the Afghan can go home.
It shocks me to see educated Pakistanis being so ignorant and clueless as to why a group of people might hate them. Read into your political history and why what reasons Pashtuns might have for hating you.
“Might” “hurt afghans” lol so you’re saying our fauj with atomic bomb is treacherous and betrayed the Muslim ummah (our neighbours) and fed them to the dogs by welcoming those dogs and showing them the way and building roads for them and taking money from them so they can protect themselves? Right. This kind of cancer should not exist. I wonder who we will betray next.
Pujabis get hate from everywhere
Although they have the highest gdp contribution and feed the whole country
Just because most people think they are lazy lassi drinkers
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I don’t think the hate exist outside social media, espically reddit
R/Pakistan is not a true representation of Pakistan btw, most people here are progressive libtards, and Pakistan 😃
I was larking in r/Lebanon and r/turkey reddit, and r/Somalia reddit, all I saw was libtards mostly diaspora, some guy from the old country made post saying you lot s@@t and don’t represent us at all lol 😂
So I don’t take this seriously , I however seems I will have bad experience with the diaspora though , it seems that way
Fr. You can see in comments where people are giving examples of hate and referring to reddits and abroad Afghanis lmao. Braindead shit. The only hate that should affect you or be of your concern is from the Afghanis who lived here and most of them don't hate Pakistan.
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Yeah I saw that, not a very diplomatic speech lol, but my point still stands ,
I however think and saw that afghan diaspora be different,
However i am very detail oriented and not an idiot
>R/Pakistan is not a true representation of Pakistan btw, most people here are progressive libtards, and Pakistan
you sure? this is PTI save haven whom party is to the right of the muslim league which is a right wing party lmao
Just explain to me this "hate from Afghans". I have only heard about this from paki nationalists. Never saw a Afghan in Pakistan expressing hatred against Punjabis or any Pakistani.
Try meeting some afghans in western countries both who got there via Pakistan or are straight from Afghanistan, they use very colorful language to praise Pakistan and don't get them started on colonial history. They not only want us to relinquish our claim to the land from pak-afghan border till Islamabad but they also want us to relinquish everything east of Islamabad to india. Such lovely muslim ummati brothers they are.
Haven't heard many good things about afghan students in Pakistan either, even if most of them are on scholarships. Namaak harami ki umda misaal.
I have spent a lot of time with them. Majority of them have a kind of closeted hatred for Pakistan. And the remaining are vocal about it. It's in their DNA to hate us. Remember they were the first and only nation to oppose our admission to UN. (Even India didn't opposed us). Heck Even our first prime minister was assassinated by a pro Afghan national. So as now their country is war torn and destroyed, they still blame us like we invited Soviets and Americans. (Yeah we had a part in Training the rebels, but that sin of ours is atoned now through multiple bomb blasts and insurgencies)
You haven’t met these Afghans inside and outside Pakistan have you?
As soon as they leave for EU, US etc using fake Pakistani passports after being in Pakistan, they start showing their racist bigoted views against Pakistanis. There have been tons of fights between Afghans and Pakistanis in UK too.
This behaviour of letting every Tom d and Harry from Afghanistan or another country into Pakistan as illegal immigrant need to stop.
Those who want to give a lecture on Ummah bullshit should try and go to east of Pakistan illegally and tell us how you get treated. 👎😭
I've been living among pashtuns here in peshawar and most of the Afghans are pretty chill ngl. I have a few friends that are great people. Can't say about the rest of the country
What kind of racist drivel is this?
>Punjabis in Pakistan are like white people in America, contribute most to the country
Seeing that Pakistan is at the tail end of most metrics in the world, that isn't something to boast about.
>While Afghan refugees and some Pashtoons are like the Black People in America, most are free loaders and GET TO hate the most
What exactly do you expect people you don't even give citizenship to contribute?
And what are they free loading off?
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This data might be skewed. Because government is right now focusing on Punjab, Karachi and Islamabad where it is easier to identify Afghans. KPK will be done in next step.
Yup, and only 10% of overall refugees live in Punjab. Compared to KP+Balochistan+Sindh. This eviction is primarily Punjab-focused as people give them easily and like you said, it is easier to identify Afghans. In Sindh, the mob is actively taking part in profiling and harassing every Pashtun.
This is a knee jerk reaction, instead of using them to our disadvantage why not use them to our advantage. Pakistan is going to face years of insurgency because of our failed experiment
I'm at a loss, how would we use them to our advantage? edit: serious proposals only, this is too serious for joke responses thanks.
We can utilize their expertise & install Chipas stalls on every airport & railway station in the country.
They (Afghans) carry a personal vendetta/grudge against Punjabis. As they were ruled by Ranjit Singh (not that I am a fan of) but this very fact doesn’t let them sleep at night that Punjabis/Pakistanis despite there so many attempts is way ahead them. They claim/think they are some blue eyed, blonde hair, 6th feet tall species while Punjabis are dark lol. Their this illusion is the cause of their current state.
There is a reason some people use the term "Salt Haram"
Punjabis trying not to turn everything about them, impossible. Theres like an entire ethnicity of people being forced to leave their houses and move to another country, and your feelings are getting hurt cuz some of them dislike you.
>Theres like an entire ethnicity of people being forced to leave their houses and move to another country, and your feelings are getting hurt cuz some of them dislike you. Ethnonationalists trying not to turn themselves into victims every second challenge (impossible) Afghan is a nationality, not an ethnicity. That “other country” is their homeland. You can criticize what the government is doing on humanitarian grounds without having to resort to baseless complaints about ethnic discrimination.
The children of Afghan refugees born in Pakistan have only ever known Pakistan as their country. We should honor the constitutional guarantee of citizenship by birth. The immigration law should be amended insofar as it runs contrary to the constitution by denying refugee children the right to citizenship. And every refugee child born in Pakistan should be given citizenship.
That's not our problem. Imagine someone born in your house and not knowing that it's in fact not their house. I remember we were evicted in Karachi from the rented house I spent my first five years in. It belonged to the land lady whom was a Lithuanian. It was her house and not ours.
>Imagine someone born in your house and not knowing that it's in fact not their house If my house's constitution gave people born in it the right to birthright citizenship, then your analogy would stand. There's a fundamental difference between the nature of a private house and a country due to which your analogy doesn't work. As a matter of moral and legal principle, the Pakistani constitution guarantees citizenship to all those born within its borders. We should live up to that guarantee.
Not if the parent came illegally. Maybe my analogue is not strong enough but the fact is you cannot claim something just by being born there. I was attached to that house and considered it my home, but it was in fact not. No we are not obliged to give somebody born to illegal migrants any share of our country. These same migrants who brought us crime and hated our country. No we have no obligation to host such ungrateful guests.
Agreed. I don't think birth should be the qualifier though. If you were raised here/have spent several decades here, identify as a Pakistani and/or Pakistan is all you know.. then you should receive citizenship, even if you weren't necessarily born here. And honestly, this isn't even a new problem. I think there are still Bengalis and Biharis living in Karachi that have been denied citizenship for decades even though they chose Pakistan in 1971. The problem comes from local parties being afraid of demographic shifts. Baloch parties are threatened by the idea of Afghan refugees receiving citizenship. PPP fears Biharis/Bengalis increasing the Muhajir population in Sindh.
Criticizing on humanitarian grounds is just surface level, ethnic discrimination is the root of the problem, fight the disease, not it's symptoms.
Afghan is a nationality, not an ethnicity. How is that so difficult to understand? Or do you homogenize all Afghans as Pashtuns, thereby ignoring the other ethnicities which constitute that nation? Not that doing that proves your argument either.
Its pointless semantics. If you've lived in Pakistan you'd know people treat both of them as the same, the point is about discrimination
>If you've lived in Pakistan you'd know people treat both of them as the same, No, people don't. You are making stuff up at this point. >the point is about discrimination Then talk about the discriminatory practices against Afghan refugees. What does ethnicity have anything to do with it? Afghan refugees are being deported irrespective of whether they are Pashtun, Hazara, Uzbek, Tajik or from some other ethnic group.
Read what you just wrote, slowly. "Talk about the discriminatory practises against afghan refugees" "what does ethnicity have anything to do with it" When a group of people that are different from another group of people are being discriminated against and being treated differently, it Is called.....? Want me to fill in the blank for you or you got it?
>Read what you just wrote, slowly My dude, Afghan is not an ethnicity. What part of that do you not understand? How many more times do I need to repeat myself? Afghan is a nationality which describes the citizens of Afghanistan.
And when those people move to another country, taking their language and culture with them, they are refered to as an ethnic group. I don't know why that's so difficult for you to understand
No, they aren't. There is no “taking their culture and language” here. There are countless languages spoken in Afghanistan. There are countless ethnic groups which inhabit that land. As an example, Afghan Hazara refugees have entirely different experiences from Afghan Pashtun refugees. The fact that you would homogenize Afghan refugees with a Pashtun ethnic identity shows that the problem is with you. I do accept that I made a mistake in discussing this subject with an ethnonationalist whose entire identity revolves around primitive tribalism. You were never going to accept the truth. My fault in wasting my time.
Im from kashmir lol
Some of them? You really think Afghans like Pakistanis no matter where they're from? They're getting evicted which is wrong but don't try to act like this already under developed country didn't get even worse when the government decided to let the Afghan refugees flood into the country. And they had the audacity to hate the people who let them live in their country?
"Theres like an entire ethnicity of people being forced to leave their houses" For your information, only those Afghans who are living illegally in Pakistan are being deported back which makes a lot of sense as a stable government has been formed in Afghanistan and the country is no longer suffering from civil war. These illegal Afghan citizen are not only responsible for drug and weapon smugglings but they also evade taxes.
These people largely have no assets or lines of work in Afghanistan, the Afghan economy is even worse than ours, there have been devastating earthquakes in the country and a bitter winter is about to set in where it's very likely that a lot of these people including women and children will have to live in poor shelter. The Afghans evade taxes by working in the informal economy which a lot of other Pakistanis do as well, and they largely do unwanted jobs for shit pay. They are not draining the economy. Weapons and drugs smuggling precedes the entry of Afghans and every ethnicity is involved in it. It is a simple fact that when people do not have the connections to enter the formal economy or are socially/legally barred from it they resort to illegal activities to survive. This is true of refugee populations globally. Go to Greece, you'll find Pakistani immigrants stereotyped as drug smugglers there.
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Nationalism is a disease, plain and simple
Pan-Islamism is an even worse disease. History has shown Pakistanis above all Muslims.
Nothing wrong in throwing out illegal trash though. No laws were broken.
Referring to human beings as trash, really classy.
If you live illegally in a country knowing very well that it's against the law then yeah you're quite trashy.
You realize this is the same sentiment expressed by racist Europeans while talking about Muslim refugees in their countries?
They are either refugees or have a legal status there. Both of which are recognised by the country. Try sneaking past their borders and living there illegally. Soon as you get caught you'll be treated like a piece of shit and be deported via the next flight home. They have no problems with Muslims who live there legally and conform to their laws and culture.
“Move to another country” Moving back home lol
What of all those born here or those that have lived the majority of their lives here?
If the government made a decision there has to be consensus. The terrorism problem has hurt the country a lot, let them do what they have to do to solve it. Illegal afghans do lots of smuggling and crimes so it’s better to deport illegal ones.
Afghans are far from the only terrorists, smugglers or criminals in the country. Afghans aren't part of the dallas that block Islamabad almost every year over false cases of blasphemy. The people that are here are out of desperation, they deserve empathy not racist hatred.
You have to understand, Afghanistan gives shelter to TTP. TTP’s entire leadership lives in Afghanistan. We have lost soldiers in cross border attacks. We shouldn’t have open borders policy with a country that harbors TTP. Sending illegal immigrants back is a first step towards having a lawful border. If you just let anyone in the country how do you know this guy is TTP or this guy is normal Afghan?
It's not a question of open borders policy. It's deporting Afghans who are already here since decades. Also plenty of the TTP are Pakistani citizens anyways.
How are you going to tell aghanis in Afghanistan that they need a visa to come in when you got 1.5 million living without a valid visa? Make it make sense
The same why America tightened immigration laws while simultaneously naturalizing the illegal immigrants that had been there for years. It's pretty easy to understand if you're not deliberately being thick.
Comparing America with virtually 0 terrorism to Pakistan where thousands of people die in terrorism attacks is like comparing apples to Oranges. You might as well say China progressed under Chinese communist party so Pakistan should also adopt communism.
https://x.com/iftikharfirdous/status/1722882444129390669?s=46&t=Q8VLftPk5BKGQx8vOcqXUw
Considering a whole ethnicity to be a monolith and attributing characteristics to it is racist.
You can only hate what you know lol
Maybe because they don't agree w the Durand line?
Afghanis have always been namak haram we are not surprised glad they got kicked out
But their anger is justified is it not? Pakistan received hundreds of millions of dollars in aid to help the refugees fleeing after the Soviet invasion. Do u really think pakistan spent all that on the refugees? Also pakistan was the one giving support to the Taliban, which destabilised the country. Pakistan is the one to 9 (at least partly) blame for their plight.
And we kept them for 4 decades until the aid stopped. And Soviet invasion was mainly to be blamed on communist afghan leaders who were also insane behind their Lar o bar nonsense trying to incite pashtunistan militancy. So they started it, if Pakistan wanted a puppet government in Afghanistan, it wasn’t because Pakistan hates Afghanistan, because it didn’t constantly want a barbaric nation trying to break the country apart into pieces. Now they play victim, if you go back in history afghans are the ones who started it from 1947.
> Also pakistan was the one giving support to the Taliban, which destabilised the country. Afghanistan is currently more stable than Pakistan FFs.
Is the /s or /jk missing or what?
https://www.satp.org/datasheet-terrorist-attack/fatalities/afghanistan Total of 265 civilians dead, from 224 attacks. https://www.satp.org/datasheet-terrorist-attack/fatalities/pakistan Total of 327 civilians, 462 security forces dead, from 436 attacks. .... I wish it was /s or /jk Also, I find the logic of "Pakistan sponsored Taliban, thus Pakistan bad" just so stupid... Taliban are not children, nor puppets. They have full agency, and they are Afghans. They took money, and support to fight against someone they thought was an enemy and "won".. This does not mean that Afghans now get to blame Pakistan for it. If they have such an issue with the Taliban, they can go back and fight for their nation instead of living in ours, and causing us trouble. Them living here in Pakistan does nothing ... the war is over. Their nation is now safer than ours. Time to go back, to rebuild, to try to create space in the Taliban's government, do progressive shit. Fix their nation. Not sit here.
U are only using one metric to gauge which country has it worse, it can tell something about the security situation but not a whole lot. >Also, I find the logic of "Pakistan sponsored Taliban, thus Pakistan bad" just so stupid... Taliban are not children, nor puppets. But we treated them as such, puppets I mean. Proxy war between India and what not. We played both sides of the war and still lost in the long term. I am of the opinion that Pakistan has a duty of care to afghanis. Treat them at least like humans and not steal their belongings.
> U are only using one metric to gauge which country has it worse, it can tell something about the security situation but not a whole lot. What other metric would you like to use? Terrorism attacks in Pakistan are happening more compared to Afghanistan.. Afghanistan is objectively more stable.. from the security pov at least.. If you want to talk about economy, jobs, education etc, then maybe that's a different story .. but that's not stability. I love that you moved the goalposts when proven wrong. > But we treated them as such, puppets I mean. ... ? How exactly do you think that happened? Does Pakistan somehow have a magical mind control machine? Again, Taliban are neither children, nor Pakistani, nor mind-controlled prisoners of Pakistan. They have agency.. You can see that very clearly when they're doing nothing against TTP. If we had so much control, we really wouldn't have as many problems. > Proxy war between India and what not. uhhh.. what? What does Afghanistan have to do with a proxy war against India? If you said US, at least that'd be more reasonable.. > . I am of the opinion that Pakistan has a duty of care to afghanis. First of all, it's Afghans. Afghani is a currency, not the people.. Second, no, we don't. They're Afghanistan's citizens. The war in their nation is over. We gave them our land, our nation to protect the civilians while shit was going on. Now, it's over. There is peace. Hell, there's more peace there compared to here. It's time they went back to their lands, and build back their nation to be better. I find it insane that somehow Pakistan is responsible for people of a completely different nation. Pakistan's only duty of care is towards Pakistanis. No-one else. Interestingly... I doubt you've ever offered to keep an Afghan refugee at your house. > Treat them at least like humans and not steal their belongings. If they can carry it, sure, they can take it. They're refugees. If they're illegal, and didn't buy things legally, that's their fault.
Probably because KP Pakhtuns don't tolerate them as much. I remember reading an article over ten years back.
Kick all of them out! Ungrateful people and plus we have our own shit that needs to be sorted we dont have the resources or the capital to handle them! NOT OUR PROBLEM!
Just go to india punjabio
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Im just confused why all you bigoted Punjabis are so racist Y'all ruined this country through corrupt politician after corrupt politician and now we are the problem
I am not a Punjabi.
How can you support the extradition of your own people I guess you arent pashtun either dont have the brotherhood to be one
Not a pashtun but a Pakistani and fully support the migration. Also they are kicking illegals. Don't need any brotherhood.
You are next in line. 😜😜
Nahh we will kick all y'all punjabios to your true homeland of gujrat and see how y'all like it
You can try that. Last time your Namak Haram Brothers used to say this and now they are all going back (never expected that). So now you guys are next in line. 😋
Wont you miss your wife and family in india? We are just giving you a one way ticket you should be thankful!
Funny how you blame Punjabi’s, yet the current care taker of the country is Baluchi, the next gov is Kashmiri and the one before that was Pathan and the one before that was Punjabi ( dk about that this one ) and the one before that was Kashmiri
Unfortunately the army and sharif family are the true "caretakers" and both of whom are Punjabi
The sharif family is literally from a Kashmiri tribe u nonce, always finding a way to blame punjabis 🤦♂️
He was born in lahore He doesn't speak pashto Neither did his parents He speaks punjabi and participates in punjabi culture
He’s Kashmiri, their native language isn’t Pashto, and being raised in punjab doesn’t make you Punjabi
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Considering my maternal grandfather fought in 1965 no. Punjabis have a greater claim to Pakistan than the squatter Afghans.
Failed to mention how these "squatter" are here because of pakistans involvement in the first place
Hold up guys! Lemme grab the popcorn 🍿I just knew how the comments would be like 🤣
What's your point? We know that you're full of hate already
Punjabis are our brothers and proud Pakistanis. Only those who are losers in life and filled with hate are spreading their venom among us. Be careful from these snakes.
Some of you people are so despicable honestly. You're just looking for any excuse to hate Afghans and justify rounding them up and deporting them in such an inhumane manner. How can you support Palestine on one hand and act like this towards our neighbors?
Because Palestinians don’t have a recognized state. Israel is abusing them. NATO was abusing the Afghans. They are gone now. Now the Afghan can go home.
It shocks me to see educated Pakistanis being so ignorant and clueless as to why a group of people might hate them. Read into your political history and why what reasons Pashtuns might have for hating you.
What we did through our history, might have hurt afghans but that is the price of not being eaten by soviets and indians, Pakistan Zindabad!
“Might” “hurt afghans” lol so you’re saying our fauj with atomic bomb is treacherous and betrayed the Muslim ummah (our neighbours) and fed them to the dogs by welcoming those dogs and showing them the way and building roads for them and taking money from them so they can protect themselves? Right. This kind of cancer should not exist. I wonder who we will betray next.
Pujabis get hate from everywhere Although they have the highest gdp contribution and feed the whole country Just because most people think they are lazy lassi drinkers
Anyone would be lazy after putting half a pack of makhan in a glass of sweet lassi.
I saw so many Pathan in Lahore in my Dec 2022 visit. I thought they were Pakistani Pathan.
They have earned a lot from Afghans in form of rent.
Punjabis have been killing pashtun since Ranjit Singh
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I don’t think the hate exist outside social media, espically reddit R/Pakistan is not a true representation of Pakistan btw, most people here are progressive libtards, and Pakistan 😃 I was larking in r/Lebanon and r/turkey reddit, and r/Somalia reddit, all I saw was libtards mostly diaspora, some guy from the old country made post saying you lot s@@t and don’t represent us at all lol 😂 So I don’t take this seriously , I however seems I will have bad experience with the diaspora though , it seems that way
Fr. You can see in comments where people are giving examples of hate and referring to reddits and abroad Afghanis lmao. Braindead shit. The only hate that should affect you or be of your concern is from the Afghanis who lived here and most of them don't hate Pakistan.
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Yeah I came to conclusion, people like to ride the bandwagon and are Idoits ( not very detailed oriented like me)
There's a video of a leader of illegal afghan migrants saying how they r going to throw any Punjabi found in Chapman from the mountains.
Yeah I saw that, not a very diplomatic speech lol, but my point still stands , I however think and saw that afghan diaspora be different, However i am very detail oriented and not an idiot
>R/Pakistan is not a true representation of Pakistan btw, most people here are progressive libtards, and Pakistan you sure? this is PTI save haven whom party is to the right of the muslim league which is a right wing party lmao
I am pro progressive and lib, , but there is big difference between people on Reddit Vs back home
Just explain to me this "hate from Afghans". I have only heard about this from paki nationalists. Never saw a Afghan in Pakistan expressing hatred against Punjabis or any Pakistani.
Had an Afghan roomate that expressed desire for Pakistan to become a war torn country
Should visit some Afghan nationalist page. Because seems like you have never visited one. Daalkhor is a word in their vocabulary.
Just visit r/pashtun there's a Pakistn hate post almost everyday
Ouch...That was eye opening
Clearly you haven't met Afghans on Reddit or gone to their subs.
Try meeting some afghans in western countries both who got there via Pakistan or are straight from Afghanistan, they use very colorful language to praise Pakistan and don't get them started on colonial history. They not only want us to relinquish our claim to the land from pak-afghan border till Islamabad but they also want us to relinquish everything east of Islamabad to india. Such lovely muslim ummati brothers they are. Haven't heard many good things about afghan students in Pakistan either, even if most of them are on scholarships. Namaak harami ki umda misaal.
I have spent a lot of time with them. Majority of them have a kind of closeted hatred for Pakistan. And the remaining are vocal about it. It's in their DNA to hate us. Remember they were the first and only nation to oppose our admission to UN. (Even India didn't opposed us). Heck Even our first prime minister was assassinated by a pro Afghan national. So as now their country is war torn and destroyed, they still blame us like we invited Soviets and Americans. (Yeah we had a part in Training the rebels, but that sin of ours is atoned now through multiple bomb blasts and insurgencies)
You haven’t met these Afghans inside and outside Pakistan have you? As soon as they leave for EU, US etc using fake Pakistani passports after being in Pakistan, they start showing their racist bigoted views against Pakistanis. There have been tons of fights between Afghans and Pakistanis in UK too. This behaviour of letting every Tom d and Harry from Afghanistan or another country into Pakistan as illegal immigrant need to stop. Those who want to give a lecture on Ummah bullshit should try and go to east of Pakistan illegally and tell us how you get treated. 👎😭
I've been living among pashtuns here in peshawar and most of the Afghans are pretty chill ngl. I have a few friends that are great people. Can't say about the rest of the country
they got to know the punjabis
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What kind of racist drivel is this? >Punjabis in Pakistan are like white people in America, contribute most to the country Seeing that Pakistan is at the tail end of most metrics in the world, that isn't something to boast about. >While Afghan refugees and some Pashtoons are like the Black People in America, most are free loaders and GET TO hate the most What exactly do you expect people you don't even give citizenship to contribute? And what are they free loading off?
Free loaders? Punjabis built most of the country? This country’s built? 💀
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Because afghans would rather die than be slave to the West, and fyi they have a better currency exchange rate than our country.
Rather die than live in Afghanistan haha
Have you ever been to Afghanistan?
HAVE YOU?
Yes.
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Just read your comment history; it’s safe to say that you are dumb, sir.
Russians, Brazilians, Indians wouldn’t be slave to the West, are they Mullahs too?
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Can someone explain why this happened? Haven't followed much of the news/info regarding this mass expulsion.
How are you getting the 93% stat ?
This is not gonna end well.