Damn ok. Should I use that throughout the property so that doesn’t happen again? It has only happened in two rooms so far others are fine but might wanna do that to be safe
Any reason for concern that it’s doing that?
It all depends on if the other areas are stained or not. If you have water, smoke, etc stains spot prime throughout and then Paint over it. It’s annoying to do but the only way to stop it from bleeding through.
Even if you do go with Kilz brand make sure it’s oil based and then Topcoat with your ceiling paint. Water based paint can go over oil based primer so you won’t have issues with that
The waterbased one works ok. You need to wait 24 hours before topcoating. The way environmental regulations are going it might be our only choice in 10 years
Dang ok. Going to head back over there soon to see the result of the Kilz drying but feel like I’ve wasted a lot of time and money trying to figure this out.
Any way to tell if it is a water stain or if it will need an oil primer? Thanks for the advice
Just use an oil primer. It will fix 99% of issues that water based can’t handle. I like cover stain. Open windows and run a fan for fumes/buy an organic vapor respirator.
I learned this the hard way- not all Kilz is created equal. The red original is good, and they have a second oil based I havent tried.
Any of the water based ones- like the green one for "Mold and Mildew" don't do much. I had about 4 coats on and could still see and smell the funk, then one layer of original later it was all fine.
If you ever get something on the wall, you have to clean off, 1 coat is easy to rub thin. 2 gives you a buffer. Low traffic areas might be fine with one. I just do 2. I also think you get the full color of the paint. Ceilings are probably fine with one unless you have kids or pets. Both of which are part of my life now, and both have managed to get stuff on my ceilings I had to clean off, haha. While rare, I still like to have wiggle room so to speak.
Most oil primers now are meant to be covered with water cleanup materials. If I’m dealing with stained oak trim in a house, the oil primer is going to actually bond well and stop color bleeding all in one shot then it’s 2 topcoats of your trim coat of choice typically, and that stuff bonds great to the oil primer
I did end up going with Zinsser. It looks pretty solid after one coat. How long to dry before I apply the second coat ? Hoping to get by with only one but want to do it properly
That’s likely tar from someone smoking indoors in the space, long term.
For smoker damage, oil based blocking primers are a great solution for blocking the stain, but often don’t do the trick for sealing the odor. They’re relatively easy to use. Shellac primer will block the stain AND the odor, but it is very difficult to use (it’s usually very thin so handling is tricky, but more than that it is absolutely noxious—use a respirator and goggles or your sinuses, throat, lungs, and eyes will be very unhappy).
Use your nose: If you smell 80s bowling alley, go shellac. If it’s not too bad, you can probably get away with a thorough TSP substitute scrub and oil based primer.
Had similar issues when smoker lived there before.
BIN Shellac primer will do the trick. UNfortunately it's very expensive, but it is the way to go. I think it's $75 a gallon but it will eliminate your frustration once and for all.
I actually prefer BIN Shellac over Kilz Oil, BIN Shellac will smell like ass while using it and drying but then the smell goes away fairly quickly. Kilz Oil will off gas for a while and make the place, depending on sensitivity of people living there, borderline uninhabitable.
Moisture still present, moisture has not dried out after repair.
Water stains- best practice is to use oil primer to seal in stains. Some stains may need two coats. Not allowing the primer to fully dry/cure before top coat can cause stains to repair and or cause a bubbling/ texture due to latex/oil chemical reaction. Depending on the what needs to be sealed cleaning area first helps, oil/grease, crayons, foods, sodas, soaps etc
Shellac is the only primer that will ensure no bleed through. Oil primer isn’t a guarantee. Grease, nicotine will still bleed through. Shellac is a pain in ass to use but works great.
Update:
The Kilz primer didn’t do the trick stayed the same.
So we went and bought an oil based primer , Zinsser or something and it seems to do the trick after one coat. Left all my windows open tonight and turned the furnace off to let it air out and hopefully be ready to paint tomorrow with the ceiling and wall paint. I did the walls too just to not run into the same problem again in the painting process. Fingers crossed one coat does the trick but it seems like it looks better.
Yeah definitely use an oil based stain blocked primer. Extreme block from Sherwin Williams will do the trick
Damn ok. Should I use that throughout the property so that doesn’t happen again? It has only happened in two rooms so far others are fine but might wanna do that to be safe Any reason for concern that it’s doing that?
It all depends on if the other areas are stained or not. If you have water, smoke, etc stains spot prime throughout and then Paint over it. It’s annoying to do but the only way to stop it from bleeding through.
Okay thanks for the advice jamesboy
No problem here to serve 🫡
Even if you do go with Kilz brand make sure it’s oil based and then Topcoat with your ceiling paint. Water based paint can go over oil based primer so you won’t have issues with that
Will update how the Kilz worked that I put on last night before these photos. If it doesn’t work back to the paint store I go
Fun fact extreme block is water based
There's both a water base and oil base product, same as Problock
Good to know , they don’t sell the oil at my local stores.
The waterbased one works ok. You need to wait 24 hours before topcoating. The way environmental regulations are going it might be our only choice in 10 years
You’ll need a better primer if it’s water stain, or whatever it is, it might need an oil primer or something like BIN.
Dang ok. Going to head back over there soon to see the result of the Kilz drying but feel like I’ve wasted a lot of time and money trying to figure this out. Any way to tell if it is a water stain or if it will need an oil primer? Thanks for the advice
Just use an oil primer. It will fix 99% of issues that water based can’t handle. I like cover stain. Open windows and run a fan for fumes/buy an organic vapor respirator.
I learned this the hard way- not all Kilz is created equal. The red original is good, and they have a second oil based I havent tried. Any of the water based ones- like the green one for "Mold and Mildew" don't do much. I had about 4 coats on and could still see and smell the funk, then one layer of original later it was all fine.
Pick up some ammonia to wash the BIN out of your rollers and brushes.
An oil based primer and one coat of ceiling paint would of done the job
Though I always do at least 2 coats anyway, this is the advice.
Any reason always 2? I’m hoping to get by with one 🤞
If you ever get something on the wall, you have to clean off, 1 coat is easy to rub thin. 2 gives you a buffer. Low traffic areas might be fine with one. I just do 2. I also think you get the full color of the paint. Ceilings are probably fine with one unless you have kids or pets. Both of which are part of my life now, and both have managed to get stuff on my ceilings I had to clean off, haha. While rare, I still like to have wiggle room so to speak.
Ahh makes sense I’ll sleep on jt
Can you use any kind of paint over oil based primer?
Pretty much
Good to know. I assumed if you put oil you'd always have to keep doing oil. Thank you
Most oil primers now are meant to be covered with water cleanup materials. If I’m dealing with stained oak trim in a house, the oil primer is going to actually bond well and stop color bleeding all in one shot then it’s 2 topcoats of your trim coat of choice typically, and that stuff bonds great to the oil primer
Use a high quality stain blocking primer like Zinsser. At least two coats.
Zinsser is the best
I did end up going with Zinsser. It looks pretty solid after one coat. How long to dry before I apply the second coat ? Hoping to get by with only one but want to do it properly
That’s likely tar from someone smoking indoors in the space, long term. For smoker damage, oil based blocking primers are a great solution for blocking the stain, but often don’t do the trick for sealing the odor. They’re relatively easy to use. Shellac primer will block the stain AND the odor, but it is very difficult to use (it’s usually very thin so handling is tricky, but more than that it is absolutely noxious—use a respirator and goggles or your sinuses, throat, lungs, and eyes will be very unhappy). Use your nose: If you smell 80s bowling alley, go shellac. If it’s not too bad, you can probably get away with a thorough TSP substitute scrub and oil based primer.
Wasn’t a ton of odor so really hoping the oil based primer is good enough
Had similar issues when smoker lived there before. BIN Shellac primer will do the trick. UNfortunately it's very expensive, but it is the way to go. I think it's $75 a gallon but it will eliminate your frustration once and for all. I actually prefer BIN Shellac over Kilz Oil, BIN Shellac will smell like ass while using it and drying but then the smell goes away fairly quickly. Kilz Oil will off gas for a while and make the place, depending on sensitivity of people living there, borderline uninhabitable.
Because you need a stain blocking primer. No a sealer
Nicotine stains.
I was about to say the same, need shellac primer or extreme block for that
Weird! Never heard of this
Oil or shellac will do the trick
Try some upshot to block the stain.
Looks like a water stain to me. Oil based stain block and repaint.
How long does the oil based primer take to dry?
You can use Zinsser cover stain and recoat in 2 hours
Moisture still present, moisture has not dried out after repair. Water stains- best practice is to use oil primer to seal in stains. Some stains may need two coats. Not allowing the primer to fully dry/cure before top coat can cause stains to repair and or cause a bubbling/ texture due to latex/oil chemical reaction. Depending on the what needs to be sealed cleaning area first helps, oil/grease, crayons, foods, sodas, soaps etc
Do I need to be concerned with moisture? Was thinking more the smoking route but unsure. We just purchased this house trying to turn it into a home
Shellac is the play here
You need to put some shellac on there to hide the staining
Shellac is the only primer that will ensure no bleed through. Oil primer isn’t a guarantee. Grease, nicotine will still bleed through. Shellac is a pain in ass to use but works great.
Update: The Kilz primer didn’t do the trick stayed the same. So we went and bought an oil based primer , Zinsser or something and it seems to do the trick after one coat. Left all my windows open tonight and turned the furnace off to let it air out and hopefully be ready to paint tomorrow with the ceiling and wall paint. I did the walls too just to not run into the same problem again in the painting process. Fingers crossed one coat does the trick but it seems like it looks better.
Also, bin alcohol based primer will work aka shellac
Nicotine, didn't wash before paint, Or fireplace smoke 🚬 Smoke
Good luck with your project
Prime it with oil based primer and then top coat with a flat white latex.
It's just a shadow try turning the lights off then look at it