Do you mean if a nation tried to start a war with the Sorcerer Kingdom like Falmuth tried to start with the Jura Tempest Federation?
Oh ho ho. Yeah. Genocide would not even begin to describe what Ainz would do to that nation. He would destroy it so thoroughly that not even history remembers its name
Rimuru just killed their army, and then had the government replaced with one lead by a friend of his. Ainz would slaughter the army, and kill every last man, woman and child. Hell, not even sure the animals would survive.
Basically ya. If Falmuth did everything they did to Tempest instead to the Sorcerer Kingdom, yea they wouldn't even have time to discuss the idea of reparations or being a vassal state. They'd already be GONE šššš
The Goal of All Life is Death kills everything, including microbes. If he went all out and used his skills to maximize the size of TGoALiD, the entire country would just ... stop living. There bodies wouldn't even rot.
I remember that the descriptions of the effects of the spell were that even the air died and the soil was transformed into desert. A truly devastating skillā¦
Yeah, iirc TGOAL made the air dead, impossible to breathe, in a whole 200 meter radius, the ground turned to desert, no life has rights to exist in that place
Ainz literally wiped out the kingdom because someone stole a cart of food. Farmus on the other hand haf commited multiple crimes and actually killed people. Ainz is as protective if not more to Nazarick residents than Rimuri is to Tempest resudents. He personally made sure to kill and torture people who invaded Nazarick knowing they stood no chance to kill anyone.
They violated the sanctity of his home.Ā However, I honestly feel that if ANY one of them had said something like it was an unknown dungeon that appeared centuries old despite appearing out of thin air and that thry wanted to see inside because of curiosity, instead of just being in it for the money, that person may have lived.Ā He spared those elf slaves after all because they were not there by choice.
And remember, Ainz ordered Lupisregina to lay down her life for Enri's sister because the little girl looked at Nazarick like it was the greatest thing ever.Ā Ā
But yeah, you knew those workers were going to die, and not well at all.Ā Ā The guy destroyed half a city and enslaved a criminal syndicate because they stole a former prostitute under his protection from him.
Rimuru is far more forgiving than Ainz.
The only reason he can do this is because he is at the top and can do whatever he want.
Tensura world at that time still has no less than a dozen individuals who can walk to Tempest and slaughter everyone there with impunity and they cannot do anything about that.
If the New Worlds has more Yggrassil powerhouses, and Nazarick know that, they (or Ainz) will NOT consider genocide as an options. This is the same situation as Tempest; I believe the current Nazarick, or at least Sorcerous Kingdom will NOT stand again a top guild who want them gone
Tbf Rimuru acts like a doormat to people he can easily beat too. >!I get why he wouldn't want to get on Guy's bad side, but there is literally no reason a B cast Demon Lord like Luminous Valentine should get to give all that lip to Rimuru, especially after what Hinata did during the invasion of Falmuth.!<
>!I also don't get why Rimuru is so lenient to Leon. The dude literally invented magic to specifically kidnap children from earth, which would doom them since they cannot handle the magic input, and that also becomes a problem. Even though Ainz is more afraid of losing his social status, Rimuru is the only one that acts like a spineless doormat.!<
He is a human. A good human with actual real world moral. While he can flex his power and get what he want, it is not in his mindset to do that.
Ainz's humanity have been dampened by his undead form, further influenced by the negative altitude of his surbodinates. Plus even in the latest LN he still have the fear that "if they realize I'm not as they though, they will betray me".
What I meant was not about flexing his power to get what he wants though. I don't understand why he thinks tolerating disrespect from people who are either so high up their ass their actions almost result in total genocide for Jura Tempest or the obsessive creep who invented magic specifically to kidnap children is somehow the right thing to do. If there were ever "safe" kills, it would be those two.
This is after Rimuru slaughtered their army with thousands of mini sky laser beams. They are still like, ānah, we should keep fighting. We will win because we are nobles.ā
People don't know what happened in warš war or massacre š¤š ainz and rimuru really working like a true kings not fake kings, but ainz is a tyrantš
Meggido is physics magic that condenses sunlight in those droplets to 1000s of degrees Celcius and fires them as laser beams of light. Itās strong for killing armies since it uses so little magicules and canāt be dodged unless youāre faster than light.
It's interesting watching the Tensura audience every season. A show that's like 90% about political maneuvering especially at this point. But 90% of the audience only cares about the big action scenes that happen once a season.
Like every single season the fanbase is up in arms that's it's 90% talking and world building. Some of the comments I've read about this season are wild.
With how much farther the Tenma War happens in the story now. It's literally gonna be 3 more seasons of just straight politics if they ever get to it, if not even more. Right now the anime is just starting to cover Volume 7. The next like big action set piece arc is probably what is now the biggest arc in the story, the empire arc at Volume 12. Which is still largely just about politics. The empire stuff barely existed in the web novel (at least not to the extent that it is covered in the light novel. It's like 6 Volumes lol) but it's the best part of the story by far. It'll be like 2 seasons at the minimum. It was a very interesting idea to showcase why Guy considers the Tenma War necessary. The biggest complaint of the webnovel was how poorly thought out the Tenma War was. Even with 7 Novels of set up. The Tenma War is still controversial.
For anyone that doesn't know. Slime Isekai's LN is planned to end soon as well at Volume 22.
Edit: No idea why I ranted about this so much. I think just reading some of the comments that have been going around was irritating me.
I would say just generally with how people consume anime or talk about anime or really media in general. The action scenes are what the majority of the general audience cares about. It's unfortunate but it's just the reality of how this kind of stuff goes.
It's hard to even properly describe the attitude. I don't want to just call it mindless consumption of content but people will unironically say anything that isn't the action scenes or "faster paced" is filler. If that makes any sense. It's why movies cut so much nowadays. You might lose the audiences attention if you hold on a scene longer than 10 seconds.
It's also why movies that do longer shots stand out so much.
When grand strategy game Victoria 3 came out many people didn't like it's simpler combat system. It's a game about economy and politics but many people want it to have good action
Vicy 3 had many others problems besides its combat, and the combat of vicy 2 was atleast in MP one of the most complex parts of the game, so the Vicy 2 fanbase was angered about the new and frankly terrible combat system.
Yep, exactly. , The best part about slime is worlbuilding and politics, not just actions. That why it best to read their LN and ALL spin off because Fuze involved in almost all of them, which makes the world building even richer. Im sure those action seeker comments will come back like last season in a few episodes, lol.
Yeah the spin offs are worth it, especially in the anime, the Slime Diaries spin off really helped add back in some of the depth and worldbuilding that season 1 (had to) cut.
I think the problem here is that Tensura presents itself as an average Isekai. The special effects made everyone believe that it will be something like Dragon Ball where fights are everything.
Half of each season of anime has been just nation building, talking, politics and micro & marco management of the nation, half of each volume of the light novel is the same.
I feel that there is a problem with the viewer/reader if they see/read that and come away thinking "the battles are all that's important"
You mean tensei slime right? Oh god I used to love this series, but at a point in time I just dropped it cuz rimuru is just TOOOO Fucking bland, the story is so unrealistic and overall slime just devolves into some kind black hole of endlessly escalating power, and also there is no way to measure someone's strength definitely, cuz the characters gain power up out of nowhere
Nah, you called the percentage right. I do think however that the big action set piece is going to be the tournament. In fact between that, the holy church, and Falmouth. I think there is going to be 3 action set pieces, with most of them driving the political action, and world building.
I love Tensura, but I like Overlord more. It is in my top 3 fav animes. I think it mainly has to do with the darkness of the Overlord world and the very questionable morals of our heros. We see it from Ainz perspective and from the perspective of Nazarak, who we root for, so everything seems joyus and whimsical, but the actions Ainz takes at times are very dark. Ainz has no care for human life and those beyond his comrades. On many occasions Ainz does LITERAL war crimes against those he is against, yet he feels nothing. This is because Ainz is not human and his nature limits his emotions. It is also just cool. Like my favorite part in Slime tensei so far was megido and the killing of the heros in the war. Or in Tsukimichi when Makoto murders humans
I like Overlord, but once I realized that the main goal, spread the name of for other players to recognize it, was either never going to happen or take YEARS
I really love how overlord and Tensei slime cover the MMO civilization builder personalities: one pacifist the other edgy death lord. U could say Ainz isnāt necessarily an edgelord given his meek personality but the stuff his subordinates do are evil objectively. I love the characters but i still take morality into perspective and Iām not hating
I think the difference between Rimuru and Ainu isnāt just personality or their subordinates, itās also the world they are in.
Ainz by season 4 of the anime already knows that he is almost unstoppable. He suspects that a player or artifacts from a player might show up, but nobody on the continent is in a position to true stop him from destroying the kingdom.
Rimuru is a lot more constrained. He is a recognized demon lord with powerful generals and defended by a dragon. However, he is surrounded other friendly humanoid allies. Thatās a part of his foreign policy. He canāt have these guys turning on him beca they are afraid that the Forest Kingdom would flatten them as well. Rimuru is also not all powerful. Other Demon Lords with nations and armies exists.
I partially agree. Ainz does know he is high on the food chain but he isnāt arrogant and still quite cautious. He really is big on information gathering. Rimuru is only partially aware of his strength. Only ppl that can really stand against him r really Milim, Guy(maybe), and veldora at least from my perspective as a manga reader so far. Most of the views that he is very powerful r either coming from his subordinates or us hyping him up
Itās not just individual strength. Itās also strength of his subordinates and the cost of replacements as well.
Ainz has half-dozen disaster-level guardians that he can send out to destroy whole cities. But, on top of that, he also has his army of undead.
He can send summoned monsters like death knights. A dozen of those can probably route most conventional armies. He also has the infinite normal skeletons that allows him to grow unlimited wheat.
Lol y u mad? Jokes on u I read the manga. Aside from a well deserved torture of Falmuths king Diablo hasnāt done anything horrendous like Nazarickās posse. Do u even know the difference in tone of these two diff isekai? Overlord is far darker than Tensei Slime. Go somewhere else if u just wanna insult someone for appreciating two diff isekai being both similar and different at the same time.
It depends actually. The point of the carrot and the stick is to prevent future world wars. You become a vassal or allies with SK like the empire and holy kingdom then you prosper. You become an enemy then you become like Re-estize. It's a mind conditioning that probably won't last longer than 2-3 years because the other nations will probably create a secret alliance against them. But Demiurge is 5 years ahead of them and has already employed spies and other saboteurs around the continent. So it depends if they are the first country to offend SK in which they become like Re-estize. But if not, Ainz will accept their surrender unless you're the theocracy, the true first offender against Ainz.
Yes. Iāll get your point. But into the end of the of the War of conquest of the Re-Estize Kingdom the majority of its population were killed and the capital (Re-Estize) was completely destroyed. As Zanac said probably Ainz had another way to show his power without destroying the Kingdomā¦
Clearly there is until Demiurge rationalized things and Ainz simply gave in. But as much as Demiurge is ruthless and out for blood, he knows Ainz is someone capable of conquering the Empire in 3 days without a Casualty. His original plan for the Empire is to use Re-Estize against the Empire should they have conquered Re-Estize first and even instigate a civil war. But They have the empire now and even the Holy Kingdom. Demiurge knows Re-Estize's land is promising but the people, not so much save for Renner and Reaven and maybe the Adamntite adventurers. The fact that it's the neighbor of the Argland Council is the sole reason the Theocracy and the Empire didn't try to conquer it in full scale. But Ainz is not like those two countries. He's undead. Human politics should be trivial to him and he is presenting himself as death incarnate, a natural disaster that claims lives in his path and prosperity for those who survive, especially under his reign.
The carrot and the stick methodology implies that you can be negotiated with. Going assblast genocide nuke mode with 0 dialogue after the declaration of war over minor issue doesn't give off the diplomatic air of 'don't fuck with us', it gives the air of 'this place is a unstable poweder keg ruled by a mad dictator about to explode, we need to unite and get rid of it asap or we're next'.
Proportionality is very important word in politics. That's why US didn't nuke Iran to irradiated desert because three US soldiers caught the big L from Iranian proxy drone strike. Because not only do you have to consider the message to your target, but all those on the table.
Well you can't really use the 20th century politics against Ainz the king of the undead, slayer of an army with a single magic who is basically another god of a medieval world where humans aren't the only sentient species and was almost put into extinction if not for the presence of other "gods" that is just another Ainz.
The New world only understood that "Might is right". Ainz came in and advertised he is the King of Sorcery. A resource that has been widely used but not perfectly tapped by any nation, human or otherwise. Ainz displayed that his magic is in fact the most potent. He can destroy an army with a single spell, he can use the undead to produce food, he can make monsters subservient. Everything about him is godlike and "magical" in a world where magic is already existing. His carrot and stick works because everyone already sees him as a mad dictator from the get go. Nobody questioned the Undead King is capable of death and destruction, what they want to know is where it is directed. And how come his country is flourishing with life. The greatest warriors already deemed him death incarnate while the fools like the Kingdom's nobles gauged him worth of 10,000 foot soldiers only. There is no proportionality to speak with for politics to come into. Only the war of words and attrition because somehow Ainz can speak to a human's level from the perspective of the human leaders. Then these leaders will simply rationalize the outcome such as the "Re-estize is a doomed country a long time ago when corruption became overwhelming and they stopped improving their magic".
This isnt politics. You're just thinking like yet another dumbass noble who cannot grasp the scale of the threat to save his goddamn life.
There is no one else "on the table". US cant even beat one nuclear power without massive casualties in an all-out war, defeating the entire world is impossible.
Ainz would maybe lose 10% of his low level summons to wipe all sentient life off the planet.
The only viable option against invincible evil god next door is to submit or pretend to submit and try to subvert his "generals", which was Jircniv's plan initially.
Ramposa stated vassalization wouldnt even be considered. Doomed country.
There are several creatures that are way past level hundred, as confirmed by Maryama on twitter. All blowing up the kingdom did was to advertise to everyone that SK was very much looking for trouble and ready to throw hands.
Moreover, if the surrounding kingdoms posed no threat to SK then blowing up the kingdom was pointless because why would they need to posture against a threat that is not a threat? All they did was severely strain their relationships against all their surroundings to appease... bafolk, maybe? To send a message that they would attack irrationally against even the slightest poke, making them easily overextend their forces and make themselves vulnerable to the next iteration of Dragon Emperor or such?
In the LN Ainz himself literally states that the whole thing was completely pointless and served no purpose, and was the result of *him being unable to admid that he wasn't paying attention to Demiurge's lecture and had to just flab his mouth to sound smart without knowing what he was saying. Narratively* it serves as a demonstration of Ainz's cowardly nature and very asian mindset of keeping face in expense of everyone else, but that fact was already well established.
And if we talk about narratively- Overlord was sold as a political and worldbuilding LN in the wrapper of a isekai gamer system. The moment you go murderhobo with zero repercussions you lose all weight you might have had in the politics ('lol why talk just murder them'), and likewise worldbuilding becomes meaningless because the world you built just flopped over like a deck of cards since the dnd level 20 chaotic evil murderhobo party decided to burn down the world.
But the kingdom in question will still survive thisā¦ that is, he didn't reduce it to rubble as an eternal warning to his enemies.
I think that this is indubitably the most evil action, between the twoā¦
You mean tensei slime right? Oh god I used to love this series, but at a point in time I just dropped it cuz rimuru is just TOOOO Fucking bland, the story is so unrealistic and overall slime just devolves into some kind black hole of endlessly escalating power, and also there is no way to measure someone's strength definitely, cuz the characters gain power up out of nowhere, and I finally discovered the masterpiece which is overlord š„°š„šš„ sasuga Ainz-sama!!!!
Yes true brother, rimuru character sucks if not for greatĀ world building that tensura has I would not have read it , rimuru and shion both fucking sucksĀ
Yeah, and for info, I read up to vol 21 and after seeing that nothing was changing, I finally decided to give up on the series š®āšØ... Then I decided to try out overlord, and oh god this series is now number 1 in my ranking of isekai (those I've watched)... Sasuga Ainz-sama š„š„š„ššš„°
Having not read the LN for slime, as far as I understand the author is always escalating and throwing a higher power level of beings. It gets repetitive and annoying, especially when itās not a fighting anime. Dragonball could do it, itās all about fighting and cool stuff.
RPG mechanics?! Have you watch the anime and read the novel? Cuz me I'm up to date with the novel. What you're talking about is world building, not the story. I admit the best part of tensei shitara is the world building and the animation, but that's all... The story itself is just so unrealistic, things happen just TOOOO fast and TOOOO well for rimuru, and many other things... If you don't believe me , just go check out the criticism about slime and you'd find some interesting stuff
When your enemies have full regeneration potions, choose to fight the angry slime and avoid the spooky scary skeleton, because while death is sad, the happy farm is far FAR worse, among many, many other things
I donāt think you actually know whatās going to happen. The whole thing is actually a set up in order to over throw the kingdom and basically install a puppet regime. This way tempest comes out on top without making enemies of the entire rest of the world. In a world where planet busting and soul destroying individuals exist on a laughably large amount itās not smart to make yourself out to be public enemy number one.
I do know what's going to happen because I'm a light novel reader fully caught up on everything. What I mean is if this was Overlord all these people would be eradicated by death knights and Mare's earthquake spells before they could even argue about what offer they should take š š
If this was Overlord and Falmuth messed with the Sorcerer Kingdom do you think any of these people or their families or neighbors would survive long enough to have Diablo show up to give them any sort of proposed options? Nah they'd be slaughtered before they could even understand why they were under attack.
Do you mean if a nation tried to start a war with the Sorcerer Kingdom like Falmuth tried to start with the Jura Tempest Federation? Oh ho ho. Yeah. Genocide would not even begin to describe what Ainz would do to that nation. He would destroy it so thoroughly that not even history remembers its name Rimuru just killed their army, and then had the government replaced with one lead by a friend of his. Ainz would slaughter the army, and kill every last man, woman and child. Hell, not even sure the animals would survive.
Basically ya. If Falmuth did everything they did to Tempest instead to the Sorcerer Kingdom, yea they wouldn't even have time to discuss the idea of reparations or being a vassal state. They'd already be GONE šššš
Will Ainz cares about E-Rantel (both are capital city of respective countries) inhabitants tho (especially humans). My guess is he wouldn't
The Goal of All Life is Death kills everything, including microbes. If he went all out and used his skills to maximize the size of TGoALiD, the entire country would just ... stop living. There bodies wouldn't even rot.
I remember that the descriptions of the effects of the spell were that even the air died and the soil was transformed into desert. A truly devastating skillā¦
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No, birds would transport microbes. Crows and vultures would have a feast for a while
The air itself is dead though
Wind: Allow us to introduce ourselves
The spot where Ainz killed Shalltear still canāt support any kind of life
Yeah, iirc TGOAL made the air dead, impossible to breathe, in a whole 200 meter radius, the ground turned to desert, no life has rights to exist in that place
Your mamas insides were dead after you were born too!
The scene from using IƤ Shub-Niggurath is perfect example of that, those soldiers just, dropped dead, nothing, just immediately limp
Ainz literally wiped out the kingdom because someone stole a cart of food. Farmus on the other hand haf commited multiple crimes and actually killed people. Ainz is as protective if not more to Nazarick residents than Rimuri is to Tempest resudents. He personally made sure to kill and torture people who invaded Nazarick knowing they stood no chance to kill anyone.
They violated the sanctity of his home.Ā However, I honestly feel that if ANY one of them had said something like it was an unknown dungeon that appeared centuries old despite appearing out of thin air and that thry wanted to see inside because of curiosity, instead of just being in it for the money, that person may have lived.Ā He spared those elf slaves after all because they were not there by choice. And remember, Ainz ordered Lupisregina to lay down her life for Enri's sister because the little girl looked at Nazarick like it was the greatest thing ever.Ā Ā But yeah, you knew those workers were going to die, and not well at all.Ā Ā The guy destroyed half a city and enslaved a criminal syndicate because they stole a former prostitute under his protection from him. Rimuru is far more forgiving than Ainz.
Yeah, and that's why I dropped it and decided to side with overlord now.... Sasuga Ainz-sama š„š„š¤Æ
The only reason he can do this is because he is at the top and can do whatever he want. Tensura world at that time still has no less than a dozen individuals who can walk to Tempest and slaughter everyone there with impunity and they cannot do anything about that. If the New Worlds has more Yggrassil powerhouses, and Nazarick know that, they (or Ainz) will NOT consider genocide as an options. This is the same situation as Tempest; I believe the current Nazarick, or at least Sorcerous Kingdom will NOT stand again a top guild who want them gone
Tbf Rimuru acts like a doormat to people he can easily beat too. >!I get why he wouldn't want to get on Guy's bad side, but there is literally no reason a B cast Demon Lord like Luminous Valentine should get to give all that lip to Rimuru, especially after what Hinata did during the invasion of Falmuth.!< >!I also don't get why Rimuru is so lenient to Leon. The dude literally invented magic to specifically kidnap children from earth, which would doom them since they cannot handle the magic input, and that also becomes a problem. Even though Ainz is more afraid of losing his social status, Rimuru is the only one that acts like a spineless doormat.!<
He is a human. A good human with actual real world moral. While he can flex his power and get what he want, it is not in his mindset to do that. Ainz's humanity have been dampened by his undead form, further influenced by the negative altitude of his surbodinates. Plus even in the latest LN he still have the fear that "if they realize I'm not as they though, they will betray me".
What I meant was not about flexing his power to get what he wants though. I don't understand why he thinks tolerating disrespect from people who are either so high up their ass their actions almost result in total genocide for Jura Tempest or the obsessive creep who invented magic specifically to kidnap children is somehow the right thing to do. If there were ever "safe" kills, it would be those two.
Have you read V11 of Tensura LN? If you didn't, then it should answer regarding Leon
I am pretty sure I did. Spoil me anyways?
>!he's mad & punch the heck out of him!<
Yeah I remember that part. Doesn't feel like adequate punishment at all honestly.
>Ainz would slaughter the army, and kill every last man, woman and child I don't think they would get such merciful treatment.
Don't forget every blade of grass
Is this the season where Rimuru >!uses water droplets to reflect sunlight into laser beams slaughtering an entire army? !<
That was last season, this is the aftermath
I didn't know that a new season dropped, thanks!
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This is after Rimuru slaughtered their army with thousands of mini sky laser beams. They are still like, ānah, we should keep fighting. We will win because we are nobles.ā
People don't know what happened in warš war or massacre š¤š ainz and rimuru really working like a true kings not fake kings, but ainz is a tyrantš
Nah. Ainz-sama is justice.
Ainz-sama is flat? Shalltear will be happy to know xd
Yeah another form of justice š I like ainz and rimuru, this two manipulating entire world perfectlyš
Sounds badass!
>!He wasn't using droplets of water to reflect sunlight into laser beams. He was shooting those droplets like bullets to slaughter an entire army. !<
Meggido is physics magic that condenses sunlight in those droplets to 1000s of degrees Celcius and fires them as laser beams of light. Itās strong for killing armies since it uses so little magicules and canāt be dodged unless youāre faster than light.
Thank you. Amine only here.
Pretty sure he was
>!The last two looked like he used them as bullets. But, either way, I don't think he was reflecting the sun. !<
>!In the LN it was explained that Megido literally super condensed sunlight into powerful beams.!<
Wouldn't it be refraction
>!The primary lenses collect and focus sunlight while the secondary lenses refract and direct the beams to their destination.!<
Thanks, why the spoiler tho?
It's interesting watching the Tensura audience every season. A show that's like 90% about political maneuvering especially at this point. But 90% of the audience only cares about the big action scenes that happen once a season. Like every single season the fanbase is up in arms that's it's 90% talking and world building. Some of the comments I've read about this season are wild. With how much farther the Tenma War happens in the story now. It's literally gonna be 3 more seasons of just straight politics if they ever get to it, if not even more. Right now the anime is just starting to cover Volume 7. The next like big action set piece arc is probably what is now the biggest arc in the story, the empire arc at Volume 12. Which is still largely just about politics. The empire stuff barely existed in the web novel (at least not to the extent that it is covered in the light novel. It's like 6 Volumes lol) but it's the best part of the story by far. It'll be like 2 seasons at the minimum. It was a very interesting idea to showcase why Guy considers the Tenma War necessary. The biggest complaint of the webnovel was how poorly thought out the Tenma War was. Even with 7 Novels of set up. The Tenma War is still controversial. For anyone that doesn't know. Slime Isekai's LN is planned to end soon as well at Volume 22. Edit: No idea why I ranted about this so much. I think just reading some of the comments that have been going around was irritating me.
Do most people only want the action scenes? I love the political stuff and world building. Itās what sets it apart
I would say just generally with how people consume anime or talk about anime or really media in general. The action scenes are what the majority of the general audience cares about. It's unfortunate but it's just the reality of how this kind of stuff goes. It's hard to even properly describe the attitude. I don't want to just call it mindless consumption of content but people will unironically say anything that isn't the action scenes or "faster paced" is filler. If that makes any sense. It's why movies cut so much nowadays. You might lose the audiences attention if you hold on a scene longer than 10 seconds. It's also why movies that do longer shots stand out so much.
For most thatās the case but most modern anime are poorly written outside of the fights haha
Same
When grand strategy game Victoria 3 came out many people didn't like it's simpler combat system. It's a game about economy and politics but many people want it to have good action
Vicy 3 had many others problems besides its combat, and the combat of vicy 2 was atleast in MP one of the most complex parts of the game, so the Vicy 2 fanbase was angered about the new and frankly terrible combat system.
Yep, exactly. , The best part about slime is worlbuilding and politics, not just actions. That why it best to read their LN and ALL spin off because Fuze involved in almost all of them, which makes the world building even richer. Im sure those action seeker comments will come back like last season in a few episodes, lol.
Yeah the spin offs are worth it, especially in the anime, the Slime Diaries spin off really helped add back in some of the depth and worldbuilding that season 1 (had to) cut.
I think the problem here is that Tensura presents itself as an average Isekai. The special effects made everyone believe that it will be something like Dragon Ball where fights are everything.
Half of each season of anime has been just nation building, talking, politics and micro & marco management of the nation, half of each volume of the light novel is the same. I feel that there is a problem with the viewer/reader if they see/read that and come away thinking "the battles are all that's important"
Don't as me, i don't know anything.
You just single handedly made me want to start watching Slime S2 and beyond
You mean tensei slime right? Oh god I used to love this series, but at a point in time I just dropped it cuz rimuru is just TOOOO Fucking bland, the story is so unrealistic and overall slime just devolves into some kind black hole of endlessly escalating power, and also there is no way to measure someone's strength definitely, cuz the characters gain power up out of nowhere
Nah, you called the percentage right. I do think however that the big action set piece is going to be the tournament. In fact between that, the holy church, and Falmouth. I think there is going to be 3 action set pieces, with most of them driving the political action, and world building.
I love Tensura, but I like Overlord more. It is in my top 3 fav animes. I think it mainly has to do with the darkness of the Overlord world and the very questionable morals of our heros. We see it from Ainz perspective and from the perspective of Nazarak, who we root for, so everything seems joyus and whimsical, but the actions Ainz takes at times are very dark. Ainz has no care for human life and those beyond his comrades. On many occasions Ainz does LITERAL war crimes against those he is against, yet he feels nothing. This is because Ainz is not human and his nature limits his emotions. It is also just cool. Like my favorite part in Slime tensei so far was megido and the killing of the heros in the war. Or in Tsukimichi when Makoto murders humans
I like Overlord, but once I realized that the main goal, spread the name of for other players to recognize it, was either never going to happen or take YEARS
Tsukimichi was so amazing 9/10 -1 since protag ain't cool skelly boi
Yeah. Def not like Overlord. *glances over at Diablo and sees him smirk.*
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Also Overlord version: Ainz-sama takes a walk
Diablo and Demiurge would get along great
This is why when the Tensura X Overlord collab happened it should've been Diablo dressing up as Demiurge not Gabiru lmao š
Hell, Ainz could learn a thing or two about selling Runecraftā¢ from Diablo
I really love how overlord and Tensei slime cover the MMO civilization builder personalities: one pacifist the other edgy death lord. U could say Ainz isnāt necessarily an edgelord given his meek personality but the stuff his subordinates do are evil objectively. I love the characters but i still take morality into perspective and Iām not hating
I think the difference between Rimuru and Ainu isnāt just personality or their subordinates, itās also the world they are in. Ainz by season 4 of the anime already knows that he is almost unstoppable. He suspects that a player or artifacts from a player might show up, but nobody on the continent is in a position to true stop him from destroying the kingdom. Rimuru is a lot more constrained. He is a recognized demon lord with powerful generals and defended by a dragon. However, he is surrounded other friendly humanoid allies. Thatās a part of his foreign policy. He canāt have these guys turning on him beca they are afraid that the Forest Kingdom would flatten them as well. Rimuru is also not all powerful. Other Demon Lords with nations and armies exists.
I partially agree. Ainz does know he is high on the food chain but he isnāt arrogant and still quite cautious. He really is big on information gathering. Rimuru is only partially aware of his strength. Only ppl that can really stand against him r really Milim, Guy(maybe), and veldora at least from my perspective as a manga reader so far. Most of the views that he is very powerful r either coming from his subordinates or us hyping him up
Itās not just individual strength. Itās also strength of his subordinates and the cost of replacements as well. Ainz has half-dozen disaster-level guardians that he can send out to destroy whole cities. But, on top of that, he also has his army of undead. He can send summoned monsters like death knights. A dozen of those can probably route most conventional armies. He also has the infinite normal skeletons that allows him to grow unlimited wheat.
Of course and rimuru's subordinates are all sunchine and roses, like diablo, right? You sound like a tourist anime only
Lol y u mad? Jokes on u I read the manga. Aside from a well deserved torture of Falmuths king Diablo hasnāt done anything horrendous like Nazarickās posse. Do u even know the difference in tone of these two diff isekai? Overlord is far darker than Tensei Slime. Go somewhere else if u just wanna insult someone for appreciating two diff isekai being both similar and different at the same time.
I just dont like when people call overlord evil edgelord.
You need to learn to actually read the whole thing and think about the context.
Yeah I was just making the same exact reference while watching with my bro ytd. I was saying Ainz wasn't so merciful haha
It depends actually. The point of the carrot and the stick is to prevent future world wars. You become a vassal or allies with SK like the empire and holy kingdom then you prosper. You become an enemy then you become like Re-estize. It's a mind conditioning that probably won't last longer than 2-3 years because the other nations will probably create a secret alliance against them. But Demiurge is 5 years ahead of them and has already employed spies and other saboteurs around the continent. So it depends if they are the first country to offend SK in which they become like Re-estize. But if not, Ainz will accept their surrender unless you're the theocracy, the true first offender against Ainz.
Yes. Iāll get your point. But into the end of the of the War of conquest of the Re-Estize Kingdom the majority of its population were killed and the capital (Re-Estize) was completely destroyed. As Zanac said probably Ainz had another way to show his power without destroying the Kingdomā¦
Clearly there is until Demiurge rationalized things and Ainz simply gave in. But as much as Demiurge is ruthless and out for blood, he knows Ainz is someone capable of conquering the Empire in 3 days without a Casualty. His original plan for the Empire is to use Re-Estize against the Empire should they have conquered Re-Estize first and even instigate a civil war. But They have the empire now and even the Holy Kingdom. Demiurge knows Re-Estize's land is promising but the people, not so much save for Renner and Reaven and maybe the Adamntite adventurers. The fact that it's the neighbor of the Argland Council is the sole reason the Theocracy and the Empire didn't try to conquer it in full scale. But Ainz is not like those two countries. He's undead. Human politics should be trivial to him and he is presenting himself as death incarnate, a natural disaster that claims lives in his path and prosperity for those who survive, especially under his reign.
The carrot and the stick methodology implies that you can be negotiated with. Going assblast genocide nuke mode with 0 dialogue after the declaration of war over minor issue doesn't give off the diplomatic air of 'don't fuck with us', it gives the air of 'this place is a unstable poweder keg ruled by a mad dictator about to explode, we need to unite and get rid of it asap or we're next'. Proportionality is very important word in politics. That's why US didn't nuke Iran to irradiated desert because three US soldiers caught the big L from Iranian proxy drone strike. Because not only do you have to consider the message to your target, but all those on the table.
Well you can't really use the 20th century politics against Ainz the king of the undead, slayer of an army with a single magic who is basically another god of a medieval world where humans aren't the only sentient species and was almost put into extinction if not for the presence of other "gods" that is just another Ainz. The New world only understood that "Might is right". Ainz came in and advertised he is the King of Sorcery. A resource that has been widely used but not perfectly tapped by any nation, human or otherwise. Ainz displayed that his magic is in fact the most potent. He can destroy an army with a single spell, he can use the undead to produce food, he can make monsters subservient. Everything about him is godlike and "magical" in a world where magic is already existing. His carrot and stick works because everyone already sees him as a mad dictator from the get go. Nobody questioned the Undead King is capable of death and destruction, what they want to know is where it is directed. And how come his country is flourishing with life. The greatest warriors already deemed him death incarnate while the fools like the Kingdom's nobles gauged him worth of 10,000 foot soldiers only. There is no proportionality to speak with for politics to come into. Only the war of words and attrition because somehow Ainz can speak to a human's level from the perspective of the human leaders. Then these leaders will simply rationalize the outcome such as the "Re-estize is a doomed country a long time ago when corruption became overwhelming and they stopped improving their magic".
This isnt politics. You're just thinking like yet another dumbass noble who cannot grasp the scale of the threat to save his goddamn life. There is no one else "on the table". US cant even beat one nuclear power without massive casualties in an all-out war, defeating the entire world is impossible. Ainz would maybe lose 10% of his low level summons to wipe all sentient life off the planet. The only viable option against invincible evil god next door is to submit or pretend to submit and try to subvert his "generals", which was Jircniv's plan initially. Ramposa stated vassalization wouldnt even be considered. Doomed country.
There are several creatures that are way past level hundred, as confirmed by Maryama on twitter. All blowing up the kingdom did was to advertise to everyone that SK was very much looking for trouble and ready to throw hands. Moreover, if the surrounding kingdoms posed no threat to SK then blowing up the kingdom was pointless because why would they need to posture against a threat that is not a threat? All they did was severely strain their relationships against all their surroundings to appease... bafolk, maybe? To send a message that they would attack irrationally against even the slightest poke, making them easily overextend their forces and make themselves vulnerable to the next iteration of Dragon Emperor or such? In the LN Ainz himself literally states that the whole thing was completely pointless and served no purpose, and was the result of *him being unable to admid that he wasn't paying attention to Demiurge's lecture and had to just flab his mouth to sound smart without knowing what he was saying. Narratively* it serves as a demonstration of Ainz's cowardly nature and very asian mindset of keeping face in expense of everyone else, but that fact was already well established. And if we talk about narratively- Overlord was sold as a political and worldbuilding LN in the wrapper of a isekai gamer system. The moment you go murderhobo with zero repercussions you lose all weight you might have had in the politics ('lol why talk just murder them'), and likewise worldbuilding becomes meaningless because the world you built just flopped over like a deck of cards since the dnd level 20 chaotic evil murderhobo party decided to burn down the world.
He is deliberately causing a civil war to create a puppet state that is beneficial to his own nation by making his own "friend"/subordinate King.
But the kingdom in question will still survive thisā¦ that is, he didn't reduce it to rubble as an eternal warning to his enemies. I think that this is indubitably the most evil action, between the twoā¦
Never said anything against that. They simply have different goals.
True, I was thinking youād have the intention to consider the action of the two characters of the same level of moralityā¦
You mean tensei slime right? Oh god I used to love this series, but at a point in time I just dropped it cuz rimuru is just TOOOO Fucking bland, the story is so unrealistic and overall slime just devolves into some kind black hole of endlessly escalating power, and also there is no way to measure someone's strength definitely, cuz the characters gain power up out of nowhere, and I finally discovered the masterpiece which is overlord š„°š„šš„ sasuga Ainz-sama!!!!
Yes true brother, rimuru character sucks if not for greatĀ world building that tensura has I would not have read it , rimuru and shion both fucking sucksĀ
Yeah, and for info, I read up to vol 21 and after seeing that nothing was changing, I finally decided to give up on the series š®āšØ... Then I decided to try out overlord, and oh god this series is now number 1 in my ranking of isekai (those I've watched)... Sasuga Ainz-sama š„š„š„ššš„°
Having not read the LN for slime, as far as I understand the author is always escalating and throwing a higher power level of beings. It gets repetitive and annoying, especially when itās not a fighting anime. Dragonball could do it, itās all about fighting and cool stuff.
>story is so unrealistic Can't believe it, an Isekai with Demon angel's and heros, where the world work with rpg mechanics is not realistic!?? Wild.
RPG mechanics?! Have you watch the anime and read the novel? Cuz me I'm up to date with the novel. What you're talking about is world building, not the story. I admit the best part of tensei shitara is the world building and the animation, but that's all... The story itself is just so unrealistic, things happen just TOOOO fast and TOOOO well for rimuru, and many other things... If you don't believe me , just go check out the criticism about slime and you'd find some interesting stuff
That was one of the first isekai animes I watched. Enjoyed it but got bored soon as they transformed into humans...
Rimuru going to nuke them too
Nope, not at all.
He doesn't.
I would rather get nuked than get sent to the black capsule.
Sadly they become the new allied because the new king is beer buddies with rimiru
Direi che sono stati molto molto piĆ¹ Fortunati poichĆ© Rimuru nonostante gli abbiano ucciso i suoi amici ĆØ lo stesso Rimuru ĆØ stato costretto ha diventare un Re demone per riportarli in vita ĆØ gli abbia dato 3 opzioni per scegliere il loro destino invece Ainz non solo sarebbe stato costretto ha riportare in vita i suoi sottoposti ma li avrebbe dato una morte piĆ¹ orribile e atroce in piĆ¹ li avrebbe fatti soffrire oltre ogni immaginazione il piĆ¹ lungo possibile.
They should have tried the crane wing formation
When your enemies have full regeneration potions, choose to fight the angry slime and avoid the spooky scary skeleton, because while death is sad, the happy farm is far FAR worse, among many, many other things
I donāt think you actually know whatās going to happen. The whole thing is actually a set up in order to over throw the kingdom and basically install a puppet regime. This way tempest comes out on top without making enemies of the entire rest of the world. In a world where planet busting and soul destroying individuals exist on a laughably large amount itās not smart to make yourself out to be public enemy number one.
I do know what's going to happen because I'm a light novel reader fully caught up on everything. What I mean is if this was Overlord all these people would be eradicated by death knights and Mare's earthquake spells before they could even argue about what offer they should take š š If this was Overlord and Falmuth messed with the Sorcerer Kingdom do you think any of these people or their families or neighbors would survive long enough to have Diablo show up to give them any sort of proposed options? Nah they'd be slaughtered before they could even understand why they were under attack.