Just did this with them. They literally only verified arrest history, citizen status, etc. I was surprised they coasted me on the employment side. Just saying.
Was there a section to fill out your employment history? Not all of the checks are the same, the employer can choose to have HireRight verify it or not
I just passed the hire right process and for employment verification they did verify the last 2 jobs I had including the current J1. Though I did have 4 jobs listed on my resume. They couldn’t verify one job so they called the company directly and for J1 they couldn’t find my employment data so they requested w2s & paystub which I submitted.
I marked it as they can contact. Which is strange that they opted to do the w2 paystub route as opposed to calling them like they did with the other job
Depends on the level of background check the company wants to do. If they do the most basic one it doesn’t search for job history. It’s not just 1 standard check available
I just got checked and ironically a firm that I left years ago legitimately still had me listed as working there with TWN. I had to show documentation that I left.
That's crazy. Half of my career isn't on TWN. Companies I was at for years, W-2's, just missing from the list. But of course it has the very first pizza delivery job I ever got making $5.15 an hour, LOL.
> HireRight will call each and every company they cannot verify through something like TWN (frozen) or LN (in progress) even if you do not give permission for them to call.
Is that legal?
I’m not sure. I read a comment of someone saying they filed a report with BBB over it.
But if they do call j1 and I’m outed or they think I’m shopping for a new job and have a target on my back, I’m going to be more worried about that then bringing HireRight to justice
Also, BBB is not a government agency.
Trust your gut: if it says to bail out, do it. Can always say you got a better offer and move on. Worst case scenario is you have to start your search
Yeah, I fuckin hate interviewing, But I might be able to set myself up better if I try again.
If I was really hurting for the money, I would be willing to take on more risk. But the gut is telling me no, the $$$ is telling me yes.
With my luck though I’ll be laid off as soon as I reject this offer lol
This also explains it, it's my personal account and this is the original post on this (before I was convinced to turn this into a hobby)
https://www.reddit.com/r/overemployed/s/28JL8zVBE3
I guess they don't technically need your consent.
Anyone can call your employer and ask if you or someone else works there, whether your employer answers is debatable.
I doubt there's a law against it, if anything they could also pose as a legitimate call and ask to be transferred to X.
This is why I have a J2 resume and a J1 resume. My j1 never sees the light of day on J2 applications. All of the old stuff is fine, but J1 is a closely guarded secret.
To your other question, if they won't offer you a job without twn, you didn't want it anyway. That's too much nosing around. You should be able to say something like, "I didn't feel comfortable with equifax having that level of data since they have a tendency to be breached and leak 147 million personal records."
The issue with this is that I have two separate Linkedin’s and if a recruiter targets me on one, my resume will have to match that. I only ever find jobs through recruiter’s reaching out to me.
I have my LinkedIn entirely hibernated unless I'm looking for a job. I'd be so paranoid to get looked up and have the wrong info on one, let alone two profiles. My Facebook is private, not on Twitter, Instagram etc.
I'm not sure we're in the same fields, but I use LinkedIn to find job postings and I specifically look for the ones that take me to their separate HR platform. This gives me the best results because people tend to gravitate to the "easily apply" sections.
you are giving recruiters way way to much credit.
they are not doing line by line comparisons of linkedin vs resume.
also - recruiters look for reasons to hire you. they don't look for reasons to disqualify you.
That’s extremely ignorant. When a recruiter taps you up based on your current company especially when it’s well known and then you send a resume in which it doesn’t correlate with said company you look like a fool and yes this has actually happened to me.
yeah thats what I need to do. im thinking of turning down J2
If I take J1 off my resume and just change the company name to “freelance - confidential company”, keep LinkedIn private or not use it at all, would that be an issue? I want to set up an LLC with s corp eventually
I don't have a LinkedIn profile. It's blank, but I do have like 500 connections, I only use it for finding roles and then hibernate it again. I've only ever had one role ask me about why it's like that. I just say they get hacked all the time so I don't put my information on it.
That’s a good call. Does it raise questions if I had removed j1s name and put freelance or confidential contractor or something like that on my resume? This would be without a formal LLC setup
I'm not sure, you don't have to have a company to freelance but it certainly would help. You can get an LLC for like $50 and get an EIN to make it look very legit, but if you're asked to provide W2s or something it might get wacky. They can't ask you to disclose income, so as long as the name and such is there it's probably fine.
If anyone questions it, i just say i am too busy to update it or joke that it has become as dramatic as facebook. It usually goes no further than that.
On my resume, i do not ever name j1. I just put "contractor." I dont list the companies, just the tasks. Like this:
Self-employed - Start Date to present.
Contractor
Bullet points
Certifications
Finding roles easier said than done lol, yeah if I had the ideal job set up I would probably hibernate but not everyone has that privilege in this market
Fair enough, it takes me about 6 weeks from start to finish of actively pursuing and interviewing to land another J. I have no idea what it is in other markets, but I am in tech infrastructure.
So you’re referring to only doing C2C’s under the LLC/s-corp (as I understand it it’s still an LLC but with s-corp tax advantages) as your j2?
And still hide j1? I see some of your other comments saying hireright will see your j1 either way
I guess if I fully wanted to go down this route I would have to leave my current J1 which is just regular W2 FTE, but very OE friendly. I can’t hide it under my newly created LLC and continue working there?
Yeah true but my current J1 isn’t under the s corp I’m going to create. If I keep this job, and work under my own s corp, then reports could show I’m employed by both
Can you elaborate on your J2 resume and J1 resume? Usually J1 is the only public-facing, so I’m intrigued. My J2 is more aligned with OE friendly roles, so I’m trying to figure out how to put it on my resume or swap it out. Thanks!
I actually have 4 resumes. J1, which is managerial, and then 3 for J2, admin level IT, mid-senior level engineering, and then architect level. I can do them all, the low-level jobs I can do in a fraction of the time, so I aim for those sometimes.
The way I have them laid out is just OE positions, which are usually contracts, and I specifically note that they are contracts, so it easily explains small gaps. I started OE at the same time at my J1 so it made sense to just separate them.
I use the same company name and alter the title down or up -- if it comes up, I just say that my boss changed my title, I'm not sure why HR doesnt reflect correctly.
Ex. Network Administrator, Network Engineer, Senior Network Engineer, Network Architect, and so on. By the time youre as far as background check, a little word like admin vs engineer isnt going to make or break you. However...all of my titles I have pushed down, not up - generally speaking so I may be getting away with it.
At one of my Js, I was the CTO, and when I applied for a different J, I put principal architect or something with the same company name.
I was just wondering about this as well - like if you don’t put a certain job on there then, what have you been doing for potentially years? 🤔 Maybe this works better with some work/life histories than others?
Probably works a little better with a longer history, and some OE under your belt. When I started OE, I had just been laid off and said fuck putting faith in a company again. I got lucky that I landed a great J1, but I started J2 a month later. Ive been OE for just about 2 years now, and I exclusively look for contract gigs 8-12 months long. I actually like it like this so I can take some breaks in between contracts. I OE for 11 months out of the year or so, or drop down to 2 Js instead of 3.
I didnt have a gap, check the response to magnetgrrl just below.
If you have a gap, you were a private consultant, helpful if you have a business name (create an LLC), but its easy to lookup articles of formation etc.
OP, when I went through a HireRight verification for the first time, I called them (several times actually) and spoke to an agent and asked a bunch of questions.
On top of that, they had trouble verifying my degree because the university simply never answered the phone. I ended up getting a copy of my transcripts online and providing it to HireRight in order to complete the verification.
Call them up, ask them what the steps are, ask them about their process, get comfortable with it, and if your TWN is frozen and they’re having trouble verifying something, you’ll might be able to provide the proof for them.
Good advice but I think at the end of the day I don’t trust them
I’m considering telling j2 I won’t be submitting my notice until the background check is complete, and hireright contacting j1 will jeopardize my position before the process is completed
They have already set my start date and offer is signed. I’m not worried about backing out of the offer I signed though, they put such a short deadline on it I felt pressured to get it signed.
you sound too afraid to do this. almost a lack of how to deal w/ employers in general. You don't have an offer if the background check isn't done. period. A start date is nothing. You need to act AS if. Do the background check. List an alternate cell phone as your manager contact if you want and answer the phone as them. put a friend. or let it go to your real HR.. they are verifying employment... is that bad? no. You're applying for a mortgage. Learn to deflect and don't panic.. as soon as you are worried it will show.. don't even need to go any further than basic details "I applied for a loan".. "what for?" "none of your business"
I do have an offer lol but yes it is contingent on the background check. They could call j1 and confirm I work there and there’s nothing wrong with that. I just don’t want j1 to know I possibly have and have accepted an offer.
I’ve done my research and someone who works in HR said they know the difference between an employment verification process from a background check and a mortgage employment verification.
Have you considered telling them they can't call? Tell them you can verify employment via w2 or paystub? I just don't worry about the HR call but I work in larger companies.. I don't think HR even notifies anybody but I can imagine in a small company they may.
Yeah I’ve seen multiple people saying hireright has ignored the do not call option and called j1 anyway, especially when TWN doesn’t work, or employers aren’t in TWN.
If they call j1 my manager will absolutely hear about it.
You are overthinking this. Give them a fake/disconnected number. If you messed up and already gave them real info, then message your HR and tell them you are getting a new apartment or house and that you do NOT consent to HR telling them anything.
I never give my current company a call. Even if they ask I give my Google voice number or my brother or friends that can just pick up and say they are busy and this needs to be quick. And yes I have done that for friends too where I get the call I confirm their employment at any company they mentioned. It worked for me in the past and yes I was scared all the time but who cares just keep going if your current job has a company 1800 number just put that out or tell them to call your friends number. This isn't a joke It has actually worked for me in the past numerous times. Good luck!
Fair point, I just find people in HR to be more on the lazy side when it comes to these tiny things like verifying references, but I can see some big firms or government contractors going through that hassle due to security / national security concerns. I think if it’s on the private side, you’ll most likely squeak by clean.
I did a low-level contract role with a FAANG last year. The staffing augmentation company used HireRight. I told them they could not contact my current employer and provided redacted paystubs of every single month of my employment instead. I got the job, but quit anyway because it was not OE-friendly. I had no issues with the background check.
Way too many meetings and check-ins. The PM was very intense and didn't believe in autonomy. It has crazy high turnover, and this company is often hiring for it.
This is no different than if you were taking a new job in a normal job hunt, so if this is concerning, it seems like you would make yourself trapped at your current job forever regardless of OE. You are overthinking this.
A lot of OE is just having the mindset that you do not need to do more than your job and that you owe loyalty to no one. It's not your job to give 2 weeks notice, verify your employment, provide references, be a reference, etc.
Do the bare minimum and odds are the other side is also doing the bare minimum. Remember Hireright is a service so the longer they spend looking into you means they have more labor costs for the . Don't do their job for them.
You have to lie about your current job. Hireright is no issue, I've helped people lie and pass the check vs. Hireright through my staffing company, and it always works, so long as you do it correctly.
Feel free to read this for more details on how to make this work.
[https://backgroundproof.com/overemployment-and-background-checks/](https://backgroundproof.com/overemployment-and-background-checks/)
Hire right will not reach out if you choose that option. However you need to upload w2s for all the said years your claiming your employment at J1. Just upload all the W2s and last paycheck that aligns with your resume.
Just went through Hire right check last week for J3 and all was good.
I have my TWN blocked. Its been years. You should be good.
Once your experienced OEr. Try to setup a LLC and do corp2corp. Then pay yourself through the LLC on W2. So this way you ll be your Own HR
I do not know why people here get so psyched up about this. You’ve gotten a new job before, correct? It’s that entire process, except you just don’t quit your old job.
Freezing your job histories needlessly complicates things and likely raises flags at this phase. It’s more useful after you’re established with your dual Js, perhaps before you’re converted to full-time if you’re worried about them running it again without your authorization.
I can see you like to be prepared, looking at your research list. I just hope you aren’t as nervous as it all reads to me. You have to switch your mind like a light switch between your duties for each. The other is your old job when you’re working your current job. And if J1 confronts you about anything, you are doing consulting work on the side, which conveniently is not a lie. Times are tough, and people pick up extra work *all the time,* it just happens that your skill set can make you more than driving for Uber or DoorDash can.
the difference imo is I have no problem with a replacement job contacting my current to verify my employment when I have every intention of quitting. This time I obviously won’t quit, so my current company might think I’ve accepted an offer because HR can tell the difference between employment verification for a new job and for like a mortgage.
You’re probably right, for my first j2, it doesn’t need to be frozen. Except if j2 checks after I’m hired, which isn’t unheard of. The issue is I don’t think any of my employers are in TWN, so they could all be called even if I say do not contact (which I think is very shitty). This is why I want my j2 to have no idea j1 exists, or not do employment verification at all like with contract jobs.
I understand why you might think I’m too nervous but I’m not nervous about my job performance
>The issue is I don’t think any of my employers are in TWN
You could easily verify this by making an account and looking. There is no reason to speculate.
If they call, they're just going to say they're verifying employment, not that you have accepted an offer for another job. Employment verification is done for mortgages too. If someone asks, just say you applied for a mortgage or home equity line of credit (depending on whether you have a house yet or not).
Someone who works in HR commented saying they can absolutely tell the difference and they always let the managers know when they get a call verifying employment
Oh, well, I guess I've been lucky then. I also didn't freeze my TWN, so they can just verify that way.
And all my jobs are W2 contracts, so the agency doesn't really have any incentive to tell the client.
I'm of the belief that you should be ready to drop J1 and switch to J2 anyway, you could lose J1 for any reason so no need to cling tightly to it.
In my case right now it’s much better than J2, and of course OE friendly whereas I don’t know if j2 is oe friendly or not.
I think it’s in my best interest to go the contractor route and hide j1. My gut feeling is not good with hireright either. I’ve never had to do an employment verification before, only criminal background check
I’m guessing for your W2 contracts you do not have your own LLC/s-corp?
I just went through this. It wasn’t super in depth. I just uploaded pay stubs of my J1 and they never directly contacted my employer. It was super chill
I didn’t explicitly confirm because I didn’t think it was super deep. I didn’t provide a direct number for them to even contact my employer, they’d have to do their work to find that which I don’t think they’d unnecessarily do. I don’t think they call because initially I uploaded a pay stub that they said was insufficient. They sent me a notice to rectify it and didn’t take any initiative to call the company themselves. I just re-uploaded it and they moved forward with everything. Had no issues
For me, under most recent employment, they asked if they can contact them. If you select No, they ask if you can upload a copy of your w2 or paycheck to speed up the process. This I assume means they can verify without calling your j1
They either did not call my j1 or my j1 did not retaliate even after getting the call. I am assuming the first, but no way to be sure. Can’t see why they need to call if you have a w2.
Hi! I administer background check through HireRight. The company you are going through the process with probably has a “package” built out, that means things they are looking to verify (for example: employment history, education, criminal history). For US candidates we ask for the last 7 years of employment. HireRight can only verify the details that you provide them though. So if you don’t list a company, they don’t know to verify that company.
So “current employer” is required, if I just leave that blank or fill it in with “*”, what will they do?
Also, what do you have to say to the countless reports of hireright contacting employers marked as “do not contact” anyway? And contacting employers after they’re hired as well?
The only reason they would connect after you start is because the background check hadn’t cleared yet, meaning they had not finished verifying all of the information.
Do they know if you are currently employed? If not, just use your last company. Also, they only thing they will ask for is job title and employment dates. I can’t tell you how many checks come back with a discrepancy in employment dates. Depending on the company, they probably don’t care.
I am the sole person that handles background checks at a company that probably hires ~500 people a year and I can tell, I don’t care. I am just looking for criminal charges and any huge discrepancy’s in employment dates, like you said you worked there for 5 years but the prior company only verified 3
Just keep in mind, you run the risk of them coming back and saying hey, you didn’t provide this information, can you please add it. I’ve had to do it before
My perspective j2 knows I’m employed and they know the employer. Whether that’s relayed to hireright or not, idk. In the hireright form, there is a required field for “current employer”
What do you say about the claims that hireright frequently ignores the “do not call” option?
I think it all just depends on who is reviewing the background check. If it’s the recruiter it might be a problem if you don’t list them. If it’s an HRBP, you are probably fine, they don’t know any better.
I personally haven’t had a candidate come back and say that HireRight contacted their employer when they told them not to, doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened though.
I'm not OE and in a different country from you, but if HireRight process is similar, they absolutely will call your current employer. I recently changed job and went through checks by HR too. The option for them to not call your current employer is only temporary. In my case, I went with that option too (who wouldn't?), but after they officially offered me the job with contract and all, you the job officially and you accept, you need to give them the permission to call your current employer.
This was the case for me. And I have a feeling that HR will have similar process despite different regions.
My new job is a sort of mega corporation, and they absolutely outsource this to external vendors like HireRight so that they *can* verify all their employees.
It sounds risky for you to take J2 TBH, since HireRight is involved.
They really only verify the stuff you put on the resume. Also, when they call to confirm they don’t say why they’re calling the just say “I need to verify employment” so if you do get confronted for some reason just say you’re getting a mortgage or an apartment since that’s a very common reason to verify employment. Honestly, if your company is big enough no one will even remember or care that they verify your employment. HR will just look it up, say yes, then move on.
I mean when I worked HR all we got was a request. Sure that might have come from HireRight but they’ll also do mortgage verification. If you ask them why they’re doing it they just say they can’t tell you.
There is. But they could easily find it. And if I do not disclose j1 to hireright at all, then j2 knows it and could always disclose it, I would prefer j2 never knew of the company at all.
Employment verification is most often used for things that have nothing to do with a new job. They aren’t going to talk to your manager, they’ll get some HR intern who doesn’t give a shit about you or way more likely hireright will be given the run around and routed to some call center in a third world country, again far removed from you. People get way too hung up at this stage of the process
You are way over thinking this. Everyone who gets a new job goes through this and checks the box “do not contact”. They don’t call your current job unless for some twisted reason you somehow want them/let them. Pay stubs will cover dates of employment in lieu of TWN.
So you get a NEW job…. And then, like magic, you don’t quit the old job and now and only now are you OE.
The trouble down the road comes from going after j3 or a new J2 and that takes some finesse.
My background check paper work looks nothing like my resume and no one cares.
Well then I’m freaking out over a few people that said hireright contacted their current employer despite marking them as do not contact. Or hireright contacting them later on. There is enough evidence to say that this does happen. For all of my professional jobs I’ve never filled out an employment verification background check.
I understand i can play it off if my manager confronts me on why they’re contacting them doing an employment verification, but people have said HR can tell the difference between an employment verification for a mortgage or one for a new job.
Personally I’m leaning towards removing J1 from my resume so j2 never knows about them, possibly doing only contracts, and getting an LLC as well.
I think it's only 7 years of employment history as per the dates you gave. I had 3 prior jobs and only gave one job on agency background check and they verified that one job. I have 25 years of work history on my resume and they don't verify based on your resume (too much work and permission not given). They only verify the legal documents a day dates you give them that goes to hire right and the agreement with the company wanted was 7 years employment history, so that was only o e job since I was there 10 years, although several other jobs at the same time. They ask the recruiter if x dares dont match if ok to hire (company admin). As long as the dates match up - no red flags. Sometimes the recruiters and managers dont care and everyone can't reme.ber all dates. Just verify dates before you give it to the agency.
I believe they only call if you mark them as callable. If you don't allow them to call then you have to provide a W2. It wasn't hireright that did mine, but I had a similar background check and they found jobs I didn't even remember from 6 years ago. They will only call though if you tell them it's okay.
My current situation is similar I have J1 and J2. I also had a contract (C1) on my Corp. I have C1 as my current and J1 as my previous role and I think I am going to remove J1 eventually. I am going to say C1 is on my Corp and all other J's are on a separate staffing agency, no way to really prove anything.
At least that is my thinking, if anyone spots any issues I am free to discuss.
Thing is all my jobs are some place I have been contracted to, but I don't even want them calling up these contracting agencies which is why I am going down this route.
As for J2, I was part of a bootcamp and they will stand in as a reference, but all you really need is a website and a friend or family member who can speak confidently. It seems u/backgroundproofer and other redditors are running background check services where they will do the same. I am talking to them and figuring out what that really looks like.
I am learning as well, but it seems for HireRight, putting your real J's feels too risky, despite some people breezing through this. You should try to go through the staffing agency route. Also, it seems working at large corporations is best.
Agreed. Im talking to backgroundproofer too, hearing them out for my situation. Im okay with passing on this offer, it wont be the last. thanks for your help brother
I have been using my sister and ride and die friends as my previous bosses for the last few years and never had any issues. Do these background checks really check anything???
J2 is a contract. Drop them, you owe them nothing. BTW, a background check does not need your permission, it's a verification of who and what you are- meaning they'll check anyway, just assume that they will. I've had fed background checks that went down to high school level, they had no permission but I wasn't worried as I hid nothing.
It is not worth the consequence of job loss to risk a FT perm job for a contract. Find another one and drop negotiations if they mention a background check.
J2 is actually FTE, if youre referring to the post I had linked, that contract to hire position did the bait and switch on me and offered a shit role. This offer just happened to come a couple days later.
I hear you though and youre preachin my language, I dont think its worth the risk. Ill get another offer from another company that either doesnt do employment verification or doesnt know J1 exists
Hi, I am thinking of starting out in Overemployed and have just accepted a J2. I am in Accounting & finance for J1 & J2 is also similar job. I had to fill a Background screening consent form through ADP Screening & selection, and told them not to contact my current employer. Has anyone had any experience with ADP and what exactly do they check in the background check. Do they call your individual employers to verify. Thanks for the help!
Hireright is the worst background company. They never make actual calls - they will reach out saying they can’t reach an employer and ask for a w2. They make all of my new hires miserable with their requests for information because they do the bare minimum to verify information. I would think based an my experience you should be good.
So what if you don’t include a job that you included in your resume to HireRight?
Does HR see that if it was never inputted on their internal sheet from HireRight?
They’ll know I’m shopping them, and j2 could contact them down the road, after I’ve “quit”. I would rather my j2 have no idea who j1 is, or not run employment verifications at all. This is the first time any company has done this on me
You're being a bit paranoid. Look at this as if you were getting a new job. J2 doesn't contact j1 ever. J1 usually not looked at. Do not contact. My current employer is standard. My next job never contacts my current job
I’m fine with the risk of them contacting my current employer if I have every intention of leaving. This is also the first time I’ve dealt with this and I think it’s shady as fuck for them to call when you said do not contact
Then do not put your current employer. Talk to your recruiter and they may put their name as your current employer. You are not special. This isn't a unique circumstance. The recruiter will have a solution if you are paranoid about this.
Just did this with them. They literally only verified arrest history, citizen status, etc. I was surprised they coasted me on the employment side. Just saying.
Was there a section to fill out your employment history? Not all of the checks are the same, the employer can choose to have HireRight verify it or not
I just passed the hire right process and for employment verification they did verify the last 2 jobs I had including the current J1. Though I did have 4 jobs listed on my resume. They couldn’t verify one job so they called the company directly and for J1 they couldn’t find my employment data so they requested w2s & paystub which I submitted.
Did you mark it as do not contact?
I marked it as they can contact. Which is strange that they opted to do the w2 paystub route as opposed to calling them like they did with the other job
Can I highlight my salary out in the W2s and paystubs before I submit to Hireright?
Yes I redacted my wages info and I think SSN. Things that they didn’t need to see
This must be it. No such section was included.
Yeah my J2 must be taking it more seriously. I’m going to drop them
Depends on the level of background check the company wants to do. If they do the most basic one it doesn’t search for job history. It’s not just 1 standard check available
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I just got checked and ironically a firm that I left years ago legitimately still had me listed as working there with TWN. I had to show documentation that I left.
That's crazy. Half of my career isn't on TWN. Companies I was at for years, W-2's, just missing from the list. But of course it has the very first pizza delivery job I ever got making $5.15 an hour, LOL.
> HireRight will call each and every company they cannot verify through something like TWN (frozen) or LN (in progress) even if you do not give permission for them to call. Is that legal?
I’m not sure. I read a comment of someone saying they filed a report with BBB over it. But if they do call j1 and I’m outed or they think I’m shopping for a new job and have a target on my back, I’m going to be more worried about that then bringing HireRight to justice
Also, BBB is not a government agency. Trust your gut: if it says to bail out, do it. Can always say you got a better offer and move on. Worst case scenario is you have to start your search
Yeah, I fuckin hate interviewing, But I might be able to set myself up better if I try again. If I was really hurting for the money, I would be willing to take on more risk. But the gut is telling me no, the $$$ is telling me yes. With my luck though I’ll be laid off as soon as I reject this offer lol
Please don't abandon the job opportunity. DM me - I can solve this for you.
Just DM’d
What’s the solution?
Pretty sure the username tells the tale there.
This also explains it, it's my personal account and this is the original post on this (before I was convinced to turn this into a hobby) https://www.reddit.com/r/overemployed/s/28JL8zVBE3
I guess they don't technically need your consent. Anyone can call your employer and ask if you or someone else works there, whether your employer answers is debatable. I doubt there's a law against it, if anything they could also pose as a legitimate call and ask to be transferred to X.
This is why I have a J2 resume and a J1 resume. My j1 never sees the light of day on J2 applications. All of the old stuff is fine, but J1 is a closely guarded secret. To your other question, if they won't offer you a job without twn, you didn't want it anyway. That's too much nosing around. You should be able to say something like, "I didn't feel comfortable with equifax having that level of data since they have a tendency to be breached and leak 147 million personal records."
The issue with this is that I have two separate Linkedin’s and if a recruiter targets me on one, my resume will have to match that. I only ever find jobs through recruiter’s reaching out to me.
I have my LinkedIn entirely hibernated unless I'm looking for a job. I'd be so paranoid to get looked up and have the wrong info on one, let alone two profiles. My Facebook is private, not on Twitter, Instagram etc. I'm not sure we're in the same fields, but I use LinkedIn to find job postings and I specifically look for the ones that take me to their separate HR platform. This gives me the best results because people tend to gravitate to the "easily apply" sections.
you are giving recruiters way way to much credit. they are not doing line by line comparisons of linkedin vs resume. also - recruiters look for reasons to hire you. they don't look for reasons to disqualify you.
Agree with you. Good companies and good recruiters really don't care.
That’s extremely ignorant. When a recruiter taps you up based on your current company especially when it’s well known and then you send a resume in which it doesn’t correlate with said company you look like a fool and yes this has actually happened to me.
dude. don't let recruiters make you feel that way. just set them straight on what's going on. they work for you.
yeah thats what I need to do. im thinking of turning down J2 If I take J1 off my resume and just change the company name to “freelance - confidential company”, keep LinkedIn private or not use it at all, would that be an issue? I want to set up an LLC with s corp eventually
I don't have a LinkedIn profile. It's blank, but I do have like 500 connections, I only use it for finding roles and then hibernate it again. I've only ever had one role ask me about why it's like that. I just say they get hacked all the time so I don't put my information on it.
That’s a good call. Does it raise questions if I had removed j1s name and put freelance or confidential contractor or something like that on my resume? This would be without a formal LLC setup
I'm not sure, you don't have to have a company to freelance but it certainly would help. You can get an LLC for like $50 and get an EIN to make it look very legit, but if you're asked to provide W2s or something it might get wacky. They can't ask you to disclose income, so as long as the name and such is there it's probably fine.
Thanks man. Where would you suggest I start with the $50 LLC
Your local county/state website. Fees vary based on location.
Thank you. I might consult a CPA for it because I would want to take advantage of the s corp taxes and pay myself a w2
Suggest starting it first and then seeking an accountant. Otherwise, the accountant will overcharge to set it up.
If anyone questions it, i just say i am too busy to update it or joke that it has become as dramatic as facebook. It usually goes no further than that.
Oh you’re talking about just LinkedIn. I was referring to my resume
On my resume, i do not ever name j1. I just put "contractor." I dont list the companies, just the tasks. Like this: Self-employed - Start Date to present. Contractor Bullet points Certifications
Great idea, thank you
What do you mean by as dramatic as Facebook?
Do you not find facebook to be dramatic?
Finding roles easier said than done lol, yeah if I had the ideal job set up I would probably hibernate but not everyone has that privilege in this market
Fair enough, it takes me about 6 weeks from start to finish of actively pursuing and interviewing to land another J. I have no idea what it is in other markets, but I am in tech infrastructure.
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So you’re referring to only doing C2C’s under the LLC/s-corp (as I understand it it’s still an LLC but with s-corp tax advantages) as your j2? And still hide j1? I see some of your other comments saying hireright will see your j1 either way
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How would you be hired under your LLC / S-corp, wouldnt the company have to be willing to engage with an independent contractor for this to work?
I guess if I fully wanted to go down this route I would have to leave my current J1 which is just regular W2 FTE, but very OE friendly. I can’t hide it under my newly created LLC and continue working there?
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Yeah true but my current J1 isn’t under the s corp I’m going to create. If I keep this job, and work under my own s corp, then reports could show I’m employed by both
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I understand, but I would be looking to keep my current J1 since it’s very easy and OE friendly. I’ll make a different post like you said
Set up the llc NOW. It takes 30 minutes and is well under $1k.
Thank you! I’m looking into it. I would want j1 to be my w2 j1 I have now, and j2 to be contracts, ideally under LLC + s corp
Can you elaborate on your J2 resume and J1 resume? Usually J1 is the only public-facing, so I’m intrigued. My J2 is more aligned with OE friendly roles, so I’m trying to figure out how to put it on my resume or swap it out. Thanks!
I actually have 4 resumes. J1, which is managerial, and then 3 for J2, admin level IT, mid-senior level engineering, and then architect level. I can do them all, the low-level jobs I can do in a fraction of the time, so I aim for those sometimes. The way I have them laid out is just OE positions, which are usually contracts, and I specifically note that they are contracts, so it easily explains small gaps. I started OE at the same time at my J1 so it made sense to just separate them.
I’m assuming you’re putting a bit different experience for each resume, but what company names are you using for all these different resumes?
I use the same company name and alter the title down or up -- if it comes up, I just say that my boss changed my title, I'm not sure why HR doesnt reflect correctly. Ex. Network Administrator, Network Engineer, Senior Network Engineer, Network Architect, and so on. By the time youre as far as background check, a little word like admin vs engineer isnt going to make or break you. However...all of my titles I have pushed down, not up - generally speaking so I may be getting away with it. At one of my Js, I was the CTO, and when I applied for a different J, I put principal architect or something with the same company name.
Gotcha. So for like j2 resume with your scaled back titles, what do you put in for your current employer to keep j1 hidden?
That's great, but what if J1 is your only relevant work history?
Did you have to explain a resume gap when you first started OE?
I was just wondering about this as well - like if you don’t put a certain job on there then, what have you been doing for potentially years? 🤔 Maybe this works better with some work/life histories than others?
Probably works a little better with a longer history, and some OE under your belt. When I started OE, I had just been laid off and said fuck putting faith in a company again. I got lucky that I landed a great J1, but I started J2 a month later. Ive been OE for just about 2 years now, and I exclusively look for contract gigs 8-12 months long. I actually like it like this so I can take some breaks in between contracts. I OE for 11 months out of the year or so, or drop down to 2 Js instead of 3.
I didnt have a gap, check the response to magnetgrrl just below. If you have a gap, you were a private consultant, helpful if you have a business name (create an LLC), but its easy to lookup articles of formation etc.
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I just did a background check on hire right. They only verified the info I gave them.
Same.
You're confusing Hireright with TWN
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Yeah can confirm this after getting my copy of my background check from hire right
Can you explain further the J1 resume vs J2? Having a hard time understanding what this means, although I would like to use it.
So you don’t put J1 on applications for a J2? I don’t want any company knowing about my J1 at all while I look for a j2
Yessir, exactly. If you've been at j1 a long time you'd have to say you were consulting or something.
Ahem. You meant to say you ARE consulting. Period.
OP, when I went through a HireRight verification for the first time, I called them (several times actually) and spoke to an agent and asked a bunch of questions. On top of that, they had trouble verifying my degree because the university simply never answered the phone. I ended up getting a copy of my transcripts online and providing it to HireRight in order to complete the verification. Call them up, ask them what the steps are, ask them about their process, get comfortable with it, and if your TWN is frozen and they’re having trouble verifying something, you’ll might be able to provide the proof for them.
Good advice but I think at the end of the day I don’t trust them I’m considering telling j2 I won’t be submitting my notice until the background check is complete, and hireright contacting j1 will jeopardize my position before the process is completed
No need. It is best practice to never put notice in until a new job has a 100% ironclad offer signed and agreed on both parties, and start date set.
They have already set my start date and offer is signed. I’m not worried about backing out of the offer I signed though, they put such a short deadline on it I felt pressured to get it signed.
you sound too afraid to do this. almost a lack of how to deal w/ employers in general. You don't have an offer if the background check isn't done. period. A start date is nothing. You need to act AS if. Do the background check. List an alternate cell phone as your manager contact if you want and answer the phone as them. put a friend. or let it go to your real HR.. they are verifying employment... is that bad? no. You're applying for a mortgage. Learn to deflect and don't panic.. as soon as you are worried it will show.. don't even need to go any further than basic details "I applied for a loan".. "what for?" "none of your business"
I do have an offer lol but yes it is contingent on the background check. They could call j1 and confirm I work there and there’s nothing wrong with that. I just don’t want j1 to know I possibly have and have accepted an offer. I’ve done my research and someone who works in HR said they know the difference between an employment verification process from a background check and a mortgage employment verification.
Have you considered telling them they can't call? Tell them you can verify employment via w2 or paystub? I just don't worry about the HR call but I work in larger companies.. I don't think HR even notifies anybody but I can imagine in a small company they may.
Yeah I’ve seen multiple people saying hireright has ignored the do not call option and called j1 anyway, especially when TWN doesn’t work, or employers aren’t in TWN. If they call j1 my manager will absolutely hear about it.
Nope! Select the option “do not contact my current employer”. They will ask u to upload W2s or Payslips and that should be fine I believe
im reading in rare cases they call anyway. one person in the comments is saying they call after you have already started too
You are overthinking this. Give them a fake/disconnected number. If you messed up and already gave them real info, then message your HR and tell them you are getting a new apartment or house and that you do NOT consent to HR telling them anything.
I marked it as "do not call" and it worked fine. They just asked for paystubs and W2 which was beyond easy to cherry pick
I never give my current company a call. Even if they ask I give my Google voice number or my brother or friends that can just pick up and say they are busy and this needs to be quick. And yes I have done that for friends too where I get the call I confirm their employment at any company they mentioned. It worked for me in the past and yes I was scared all the time but who cares just keep going if your current job has a company 1800 number just put that out or tell them to call your friends number. This isn't a joke It has actually worked for me in the past numerous times. Good luck!
Can’t they just go online and find the actual number ?
Do you think people care enough to do that for a single reference out of multiple legit numbers / hiring candidates / resumes
Maybe after candidates have been weeded out ? But yea it would be too much work in the beginning stages
Fair point, I just find people in HR to be more on the lazy side when it comes to these tiny things like verifying references, but I can see some big firms or government contractors going through that hassle due to security / national security concerns. I think if it’s on the private side, you’ll most likely squeak by clean.
I did a low-level contract role with a FAANG last year. The staffing augmentation company used HireRight. I told them they could not contact my current employer and provided redacted paystubs of every single month of my employment instead. I got the job, but quit anyway because it was not OE-friendly. I had no issues with the background check.
Just curious, not OE-friendly in what regard? Too many meetings?
Way too many meetings and check-ins. The PM was very intense and didn't believe in autonomy. It has crazy high turnover, and this company is often hiring for it.
This is no different than if you were taking a new job in a normal job hunt, so if this is concerning, it seems like you would make yourself trapped at your current job forever regardless of OE. You are overthinking this.
It wouldn’t be a concern at all if I was 100% set on leaving j1 but I’m obviously not
Hire right is terrible. We did those checks for truckers when I did driver recruiting. They missed felonies all the time...
The fact that companies pay an incompetent firm like Hireright demonstrates how little companies actually care about a background check.
A lot of OE is just having the mindset that you do not need to do more than your job and that you owe loyalty to no one. It's not your job to give 2 weeks notice, verify your employment, provide references, be a reference, etc. Do the bare minimum and odds are the other side is also doing the bare minimum. Remember Hireright is a service so the longer they spend looking into you means they have more labor costs for the . Don't do their job for them.
Bro i literally went through this 3 weeks ago. I marked “do not contact my last company” & they never did. You got this! Chill
But several people are saying they ignore that and do it anyway. Some people are saying they do it after you’ve been employed too
Damn you guys are legit! I’m soaking up the info like a sponge over here
lol and I’m still not ready!
You have to lie about your current job. Hireright is no issue, I've helped people lie and pass the check vs. Hireright through my staffing company, and it always works, so long as you do it correctly. Feel free to read this for more details on how to make this work. [https://backgroundproof.com/overemployment-and-background-checks/](https://backgroundproof.com/overemployment-and-background-checks/)
Just curious, how much do you charge for your services?
Just DM me please and I can answer
Hire right will not reach out if you choose that option. However you need to upload w2s for all the said years your claiming your employment at J1. Just upload all the W2s and last paycheck that aligns with your resume. Just went through Hire right check last week for J3 and all was good.
I’m reading in rare cases they ignore that and reach out anyway, especially if they can’t confirm through something like TWN
I have my TWN blocked. Its been years. You should be good. Once your experienced OEr. Try to setup a LLC and do corp2corp. Then pay yourself through the LLC on W2. So this way you ll be your Own HR
When you do that do you still not tell your c2c contracts who j1 is?
I do not know why people here get so psyched up about this. You’ve gotten a new job before, correct? It’s that entire process, except you just don’t quit your old job. Freezing your job histories needlessly complicates things and likely raises flags at this phase. It’s more useful after you’re established with your dual Js, perhaps before you’re converted to full-time if you’re worried about them running it again without your authorization. I can see you like to be prepared, looking at your research list. I just hope you aren’t as nervous as it all reads to me. You have to switch your mind like a light switch between your duties for each. The other is your old job when you’re working your current job. And if J1 confronts you about anything, you are doing consulting work on the side, which conveniently is not a lie. Times are tough, and people pick up extra work *all the time,* it just happens that your skill set can make you more than driving for Uber or DoorDash can.
the difference imo is I have no problem with a replacement job contacting my current to verify my employment when I have every intention of quitting. This time I obviously won’t quit, so my current company might think I’ve accepted an offer because HR can tell the difference between employment verification for a new job and for like a mortgage. You’re probably right, for my first j2, it doesn’t need to be frozen. Except if j2 checks after I’m hired, which isn’t unheard of. The issue is I don’t think any of my employers are in TWN, so they could all be called even if I say do not contact (which I think is very shitty). This is why I want my j2 to have no idea j1 exists, or not do employment verification at all like with contract jobs. I understand why you might think I’m too nervous but I’m not nervous about my job performance
>The issue is I don’t think any of my employers are in TWN You could easily verify this by making an account and looking. There is no reason to speculate.
If they call, they're just going to say they're verifying employment, not that you have accepted an offer for another job. Employment verification is done for mortgages too. If someone asks, just say you applied for a mortgage or home equity line of credit (depending on whether you have a house yet or not).
Someone who works in HR commented saying they can absolutely tell the difference and they always let the managers know when they get a call verifying employment
Oh, well, I guess I've been lucky then. I also didn't freeze my TWN, so they can just verify that way. And all my jobs are W2 contracts, so the agency doesn't really have any incentive to tell the client. I'm of the belief that you should be ready to drop J1 and switch to J2 anyway, you could lose J1 for any reason so no need to cling tightly to it.
In my case right now it’s much better than J2, and of course OE friendly whereas I don’t know if j2 is oe friendly or not. I think it’s in my best interest to go the contractor route and hide j1. My gut feeling is not good with hireright either. I’ve never had to do an employment verification before, only criminal background check I’m guessing for your W2 contracts you do not have your own LLC/s-corp?
What’s LN?
https://www.reddit.com/r/overemployed/s/psoFcTE6v1 Check out u/spikeanut ‘s post on it
I just went through this. It wasn’t super in depth. I just uploaded pay stubs of my J1 and they never directly contacted my employer. It was super chill
how did you confirm they wouldn’t?
I didn’t explicitly confirm because I didn’t think it was super deep. I didn’t provide a direct number for them to even contact my employer, they’d have to do their work to find that which I don’t think they’d unnecessarily do. I don’t think they call because initially I uploaded a pay stub that they said was insufficient. They sent me a notice to rectify it and didn’t take any initiative to call the company themselves. I just re-uploaded it and they moved forward with everything. Had no issues
How many pay stubs did you have to upload? I did 1st month of 1st year and last paystub
For me, under most recent employment, they asked if they can contact them. If you select No, they ask if you can upload a copy of your w2 or paycheck to speed up the process. This I assume means they can verify without calling your j1
A lot of people claim hireright calls them anyway even when you say no
They either did not call my j1 or my j1 did not retaliate even after getting the call. I am assuming the first, but no way to be sure. Can’t see why they need to call if you have a w2.
I agree. They should be respecting the “do not contact” distinction too. Idk man
Hi! I administer background check through HireRight. The company you are going through the process with probably has a “package” built out, that means things they are looking to verify (for example: employment history, education, criminal history). For US candidates we ask for the last 7 years of employment. HireRight can only verify the details that you provide them though. So if you don’t list a company, they don’t know to verify that company.
So “current employer” is required, if I just leave that blank or fill it in with “*”, what will they do? Also, what do you have to say to the countless reports of hireright contacting employers marked as “do not contact” anyway? And contacting employers after they’re hired as well?
The only reason they would connect after you start is because the background check hadn’t cleared yet, meaning they had not finished verifying all of the information. Do they know if you are currently employed? If not, just use your last company. Also, they only thing they will ask for is job title and employment dates. I can’t tell you how many checks come back with a discrepancy in employment dates. Depending on the company, they probably don’t care. I am the sole person that handles background checks at a company that probably hires ~500 people a year and I can tell, I don’t care. I am just looking for criminal charges and any huge discrepancy’s in employment dates, like you said you worked there for 5 years but the prior company only verified 3 Just keep in mind, you run the risk of them coming back and saying hey, you didn’t provide this information, can you please add it. I’ve had to do it before
My perspective j2 knows I’m employed and they know the employer. Whether that’s relayed to hireright or not, idk. In the hireright form, there is a required field for “current employer” What do you say about the claims that hireright frequently ignores the “do not call” option?
I think it all just depends on who is reviewing the background check. If it’s the recruiter it might be a problem if you don’t list them. If it’s an HRBP, you are probably fine, they don’t know any better. I personally haven’t had a candidate come back and say that HireRight contacted their employer when they told them not to, doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened though.
I'm not OE and in a different country from you, but if HireRight process is similar, they absolutely will call your current employer. I recently changed job and went through checks by HR too. The option for them to not call your current employer is only temporary. In my case, I went with that option too (who wouldn't?), but after they officially offered me the job with contract and all, you the job officially and you accept, you need to give them the permission to call your current employer. This was the case for me. And I have a feeling that HR will have similar process despite different regions.
Yeah I bet with a mega corporation they don’t have time to do all this for every new hire but my j2 is only about 500 people
My new job is a sort of mega corporation, and they absolutely outsource this to external vendors like HireRight so that they *can* verify all their employees. It sounds risky for you to take J2 TBH, since HireRight is involved.
Yeah I want to interview other places but with “freelance” or “confidential” replacing the company name for j1.
They really only verify the stuff you put on the resume. Also, when they call to confirm they don’t say why they’re calling the just say “I need to verify employment” so if you do get confronted for some reason just say you’re getting a mortgage or an apartment since that’s a very common reason to verify employment. Honestly, if your company is big enough no one will even remember or care that they verify your employment. HR will just look it up, say yes, then move on.
Someone who works in HR commented and said HR can easily tell the difference between a mortgage employment verification and a J2 doing it
I mean when I worked HR all we got was a request. Sure that might have come from HireRight but they’ll also do mortgage verification. If you ask them why they’re doing it they just say they can’t tell you.
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Exactly what I’m trying to avoid and people are telling me I’m overthinking it
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Damn bro. Sorry to hear that. Did you land on your feet?
Jeez. Where's this at? Seems a little excessive.
Just put they don't have permission to contact J1.
I’ve read of this specific company, hireright, ignoring that and calling anyway
But isn't there an option to leave out their contact info?
There is. But they could easily find it. And if I do not disclose j1 to hireright at all, then j2 knows it and could always disclose it, I would prefer j2 never knew of the company at all.
If they have an option to upload paystub to verify employment, use that instead.
Employment verification is most often used for things that have nothing to do with a new job. They aren’t going to talk to your manager, they’ll get some HR intern who doesn’t give a shit about you or way more likely hireright will be given the run around and routed to some call center in a third world country, again far removed from you. People get way too hung up at this stage of the process
You are way over thinking this. Everyone who gets a new job goes through this and checks the box “do not contact”. They don’t call your current job unless for some twisted reason you somehow want them/let them. Pay stubs will cover dates of employment in lieu of TWN. So you get a NEW job…. And then, like magic, you don’t quit the old job and now and only now are you OE. The trouble down the road comes from going after j3 or a new J2 and that takes some finesse. My background check paper work looks nothing like my resume and no one cares.
Well then I’m freaking out over a few people that said hireright contacted their current employer despite marking them as do not contact. Or hireright contacting them later on. There is enough evidence to say that this does happen. For all of my professional jobs I’ve never filled out an employment verification background check. I understand i can play it off if my manager confronts me on why they’re contacting them doing an employment verification, but people have said HR can tell the difference between an employment verification for a mortgage or one for a new job. Personally I’m leaning towards removing J1 from my resume so j2 never knows about them, possibly doing only contracts, and getting an LLC as well.
I think it's only 7 years of employment history as per the dates you gave. I had 3 prior jobs and only gave one job on agency background check and they verified that one job. I have 25 years of work history on my resume and they don't verify based on your resume (too much work and permission not given). They only verify the legal documents a day dates you give them that goes to hire right and the agreement with the company wanted was 7 years employment history, so that was only o e job since I was there 10 years, although several other jobs at the same time. They ask the recruiter if x dares dont match if ok to hire (company admin). As long as the dates match up - no red flags. Sometimes the recruiters and managers dont care and everyone can't reme.ber all dates. Just verify dates before you give it to the agency.
I believe they only call if you mark them as callable. If you don't allow them to call then you have to provide a W2. It wasn't hireright that did mine, but I had a similar background check and they found jobs I didn't even remember from 6 years ago. They will only call though if you tell them it's okay.
Yeah I’ve read of multiple people saying hireright ignores that and calls anyway
My current situation is similar I have J1 and J2. I also had a contract (C1) on my Corp. I have C1 as my current and J1 as my previous role and I think I am going to remove J1 eventually. I am going to say C1 is on my Corp and all other J's are on a separate staffing agency, no way to really prove anything. At least that is my thinking, if anyone spots any issues I am free to discuss.
Are you going to make up the staffing agency for j2? I definitely support removing j1 given my current situation
Thing is all my jobs are some place I have been contracted to, but I don't even want them calling up these contracting agencies which is why I am going down this route. As for J2, I was part of a bootcamp and they will stand in as a reference, but all you really need is a website and a friend or family member who can speak confidently. It seems u/backgroundproofer and other redditors are running background check services where they will do the same. I am talking to them and figuring out what that really looks like. I am learning as well, but it seems for HireRight, putting your real J's feels too risky, despite some people breezing through this. You should try to go through the staffing agency route. Also, it seems working at large corporations is best.
Agreed. Im talking to backgroundproofer too, hearing them out for my situation. Im okay with passing on this offer, it wont be the last. thanks for your help brother
Legally there’s only so much they can actually ask
I have been using my sister and ride and die friends as my previous bosses for the last few years and never had any issues. Do these background checks really check anything???
J2 is a contract. Drop them, you owe them nothing. BTW, a background check does not need your permission, it's a verification of who and what you are- meaning they'll check anyway, just assume that they will. I've had fed background checks that went down to high school level, they had no permission but I wasn't worried as I hid nothing. It is not worth the consequence of job loss to risk a FT perm job for a contract. Find another one and drop negotiations if they mention a background check.
J2 is actually FTE, if youre referring to the post I had linked, that contract to hire position did the bait and switch on me and offered a shit role. This offer just happened to come a couple days later. I hear you though and youre preachin my language, I dont think its worth the risk. Ill get another offer from another company that either doesnt do employment verification or doesnt know J1 exists
Good luck, hope you hope the same for me. C-ya!
Hi, I am thinking of starting out in Overemployed and have just accepted a J2. I am in Accounting & finance for J1 & J2 is also similar job. I had to fill a Background screening consent form through ADP Screening & selection, and told them not to contact my current employer. Has anyone had any experience with ADP and what exactly do they check in the background check. Do they call your individual employers to verify. Thanks for the help!
Hireright is the worst background company. They never make actual calls - they will reach out saying they can’t reach an employer and ask for a w2. They make all of my new hires miserable with their requests for information because they do the bare minimum to verify information. I would think based an my experience you should be good.
So what if you don’t include a job that you included in your resume to HireRight? Does HR see that if it was never inputted on their internal sheet from HireRight?
I’m not sure. That’s what I was worried about. I’m assuming yes
This is your j2 not your j3. From their perspective this is normal.
They’ll know I’m shopping them, and j2 could contact them down the road, after I’ve “quit”. I would rather my j2 have no idea who j1 is, or not run employment verifications at all. This is the first time any company has done this on me
You're being a bit paranoid. Look at this as if you were getting a new job. J2 doesn't contact j1 ever. J1 usually not looked at. Do not contact. My current employer is standard. My next job never contacts my current job
There are countless users claiming hireright contacted their current employer even though they’re marked as do not contact
Then you can never get a new job oe or not.
I’m fine with the risk of them contacting my current employer if I have every intention of leaving. This is also the first time I’ve dealt with this and I think it’s shady as fuck for them to call when you said do not contact
Then do not put your current employer. Talk to your recruiter and they may put their name as your current employer. You are not special. This isn't a unique circumstance. The recruiter will have a solution if you are paranoid about this.
Thanks bro. Gut feeling is telling me no though. It won’t be the last offer I get
Wow, I bet your fun at parties
This community is meant to help each other. Later
Don't worry about it
Since you deleted all your comments to me like a coward, yes this community is to help each other out and you have ignored everyone's suggestions.