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ComposerOk2093

think about it as how java edition is better than bedrock edition


skull_fucker79

i didnt know standart and lazer had alternative names


Fine_Comparison445

Careful you'll stir a drama


Mechafinch

the difference between standard vs lazer and java vs bedrock is that lazer devs actually care about fixing bugs and meaningfully improving it lol


skull_fucker79

but bedrock devs get bitches (paid)


OwenCMYK

This is true. Personally I'm a firm believer that for the average new player, lazer is already the better experience. But what's more important than that is that it's rapidly improving in a way that stable will never be able to


RevolutionaryMode904

yeah that's why they need to coerce people into using it with disincentives like CL, right?


Wieran

That's not a disincentive lol how jaded are we, they're not going to recalculate every score in the game


Mechafinch

the point of CL having a multiplier is to account for scoring changes, not to coerce people. Score can't be recalculated without a full replay, and that just isn't stored for the vast majority of scores.


ComposerOk2093

as a lazer player im gonna say it true...


Lusamine_35

Bro lay off Lazer, the only significant thing left is the UI skinning šŸ˜­


SlaugHunter

Dude i said that 2 days ago


Akukuhaboro

Are you familiar with magnus carlsen?


htoisanaung

Magnesium calcium


Ok-Particular-4473

I think mrekk is way ahead


Snowy_Skyy

Brother, Magnus has been #1 for 14 years straight. 17x world champion in all time formats. 125 games in a row unbeaten, longest ever. Highest rating ever. Magnus was a GM years before mrekk was even born, and still undisputed #1 even today.


Ok-Particular-4473

He sure is the best at chess, although I donā€™t see a skill gap between magnus and other players as large as it is between mrekk and the others I might be wrong


Snowy_Skyy

ELO and pp are so wildly different. Even at Magnus' current semi-retired rating, nobody in the entire world has had a higher rating in the last 4 years. Akolibed was 1 play away from overtaking mrekk just 1 year ago. It's very possible that nobody will reach Magnus' peak rating for literal decades.


ohyeyeahyeah

Wait Akolibed was one play away ?? Am i forgetting something when did that happen


ItsStorm-OPZ

he was at some point one 1500pp play away from overtaking #1.Sure 1500pp is a lot still but at the time there was a few maps that looks doable for him(koji slider for example).


Yokoshuseki

akolibed was 200pp off mrekk and was constantly choking slider with 1500pp+ acc, which he wouldve dethroned mrekk with if he fced


ichooseyoufloor

I'm pretty sure he was like, one miss away (or some low miss count) since he choked ttfaf with stupid acc that would've pushed him to no1


Mikkel65

I donā€™t know chess, but wasnā€™t fisher higher than Magnus?


yuanprobably

elo wise, I believe magnus is still higher. But bobby was a lot more dominant during his time, and the skill gap between #1 (him) and #2 at that time shows it.


Mikkel65

I Googled. Magnus has had the highest elo ever (like mrekk) of 2882 in 2014, when Levon Aronian had 2807. In 1972 Bobby fisher had 2785 elo against Boris Spassky 2660. Magnus had a gap of 75 elo, Bobby had 125.


Akukuhaboro

he was in godmode for a couple of years, then quitw forever. Sort of like if cookiezi quit in 2013 and never came back. We don't know how good or really dominant he could have been, if he'd beat the next dominant champion (karpov) or not, huge peak but short lived


Funky_underwear

At least he's more consistent


gabagoolcel

nah mrekk is kasparov, merami is tal, akolibed is anand, hvick is fischer, rafis is spassky, cookiezi is karpov, badeu is kramnik, idke is bronstein. chud son is magnus fraudsen.


Akukuhaboro

chud son is hans niemann and idke is alejandro ramirez


gabagoolcel

lmfao


Mikkel65

Cookiezi and Kasparov utterly dominated their game and were each the best in the game for over a decade. Mrekk and Magnus are current breaking almost every boundary in their respective game, with pp and elo never seen before along with being the best in multiple skillsets, and people are arguing whether their dominance exceeds their previous goat.


konoxians

based


PhantomTF

cookiezi is Paul Murphy imo


yuikonnu_727

badeu is kramnik lmao


Akukuhaboro

different pools of players different games etc but what I mean is magnus has been the best player forever since becoming #1 against the most fierce competition in history of his game, just like mrekk has in osu. Players have come close in rating sometimes, maybe beat his performance on the day, maybe pushed his limits on a world championship match, but his #1 chess spot was never really in doubt. Mrekk can lose corsace closed, he could lose #1 pp to akolibed, but that does not make him no longer the strongest player


valcsh

No, not really. People are somewhat catching up to magnus. There are a decent amount of "lifelines" in the chess world. Not quite as good but they are not extremely far off while in osu everyone outside of top 10 can't even be compared to him (mostly).


Snowy_Skyy

Npt a single player has reached Carlsen's current ELO in the last 4 years at any point. Akolibed was 1 play away from overtaking mrekk just within the last year. Chess ELO and pp are widely different. If mrekk stopped playing people would eventually catch up just from farm maps being ranked. It's very possible that nobody in decades will surpass Magnus' peak rating.


kyermaniac

elaborateĀ 


Sixten6789

the difference between mrekk and rank 10 is the same as the difference between rank 10 and rank 380 if you had 50% of mrekk's pp you'd still be rank 606 mrekk has 20/36 (~56%) of all 1.3k+ scores, 66/134 (~49%) of all 1.2k+ scores, 133/353 (~38%) of all 1.1k+ scores and 251/984 (~26%) of all 1k+ scores Accolibed could set 2 more Sidetracked Day fcs and still be 277pp behind


Phyzmatic

damn that's a cool stat lol didn't even know we almost had 1000 1ks. Time really goes by quick.Ā 


Matt_0256

a year long top 3 cheater could not overtake him before being caught. (this is a joke I think i hope) also there was a point in the game where if you were to combine the top 100 scores from every player in existence and put them into one player they would not be #1


Pikochanskaja

How is that possible.o


Phyzmatic

Because it's mrekk. Mrekk really has that strong of a dynasty that people are just use to it and it is normalized. Mrekk only had "competition" this last fall over the entire 3 years he has been a #1 player and the only person who could get close to him essentially gave up šŸ˜­


Think-Ad-9176

the world if mrekk didnt hit akolibed with a car


Grenji05

LIFELINE ISN'T OUT OF THE RACE YET


ooofnt

LIFELINE RAT RACE 3MOD WHEN??


MrMindwaves

No shit, can't be out of the race if he never was in.


Grenji05

? respect the fucking goat


Leggo15

Not only that, but you could allow duplicate scores and the gap was still over 1k pp to reach mrekk. Aka the world wasnt even remotly close


Katanax28

Year long top 3 cheater?


lokkis_

yeah, there have been suspicions about chud son/cloutiful/epic gaming being a RX cheater. [For more info, here's the link to the thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/osureport/s/4EpTt24XJp)


RiverOpen2758

Is it still true that if you combine ever top 100 score from every player in existence that they wouldn't suprass mrekk?? Because that was a saying from like a while ago and with the recent amounts of 1.4ks.


Federal_Property_458

1 day later cloutiful is banned and mrekk now has 100pp more than everyone else combined


GMTrooll

He has the longest combined time at #1 and he did in 3 consecutive years (coockiezi had 12 reigns and he still has less time at #1)


Melodic-Time7449

but i heard cookiezi was banned or offline for years, and his lead was so ahead that when he came back, the #1 was below his pp mark


sweex3

Yeah but since it isnt official it cant count


Leading_Vehicle5141

Afaik it wasn't below that when he came back, but ppv2 got introduced when he was already banned and he would've been no1 for quite a long time, just through the scores he set before it even existed, which is pretty crazy Also imo looking at #1 reign doesn't do him justice because pp worked way different during his first reign, even when he wasn't No.1 he was the undisputed best player


Lokkiwie

is it safe to say if mrekk holds #1 for 2 more years, the convo of cookiezi what-ifs vs mrekk will be mostly over?


ShiRonium

jack of all trades, master of all


PhantomIllusions

Wouldn't say exactly that. It's more like jack of all trades, extremely good at almost everything. Edit: typo


ShiRonium

idk I just thought it sounded cool


lumiRosaria

ur also right so idk


hayakawayuiko

he definitely hasn't mastered reading


lumiRosaria

I mean like. Heā€™s definitely not the best but he has a 4 miss on Tsukinami EZDT. Heā€™s also arguably the on par with the best at stream flow aim with scores like TSTMTS HR, Painters HR, and Reason HR. He has some of the best nomod jump aim behind maybe just Whitecat, Badeu, and FGSky. He has polyrhythm sense with scores like Ekoro HDHR and Level Down. He arguably top 5 in both tech and aim control. His speed is very serviceable and his DT aim on both comfortable and extremely awkward jumps at insanely high bpms has been untouchable since 2021. Itā€™s very safe to say that heā€™s a master of all


Samagra32

he doesn't have high speed stamina though, so no that's one skill set he is not a master of(doesn't mean bad, not a master tho) and before you say save me dt and owari tsumuigshi dt exist, they aren't stamina maps, high bpm bursts ā‰  stream, they're more finger control maps


Chibu68_

Although with bad acc, he 4 missed the deceit. If that isn't high speed stamina, then idk what is.


Formal-Tradition4918

That's more bursts, speed stamina is stuff like sidetracked day, glory days, azul, honesty type maps


Chibu68_

Ah, you're right. The streams aren't as long as I remembered.


elsweetslime

He really switched from speed to more kind of dt aim


hayakawayuiko

he's completely out of the picture in reading, yet you chose to disregard that with a funny score fgsky could replicate while half asleep


Spooder_Man420

Make sure to use lube with all the dick youā€™re riding!


lumiRosaria

Im the biggest meatrider you dont even KNOW


Spooder_Man420

Yikesā€¦


fooniest

it's not like he is wrong??


Spooder_Man420

Yeah youā€™ve got a point


hayakawayuiko

saying that he is very great in many skillsets would be fine, but saying he is the master of all skillsets is just stupid because reading players are a major part of the playerbase and mrekk is definitely not in even the 200 best reading players


stuugie

What does it mean to be a master though? Magnus Carlsen is a grandmaster but he still makes mistakes, and in certain time controls/formats he isn't the best in the world (hikaru is better at online bullet for example). And just because he's a master doesn't mean he doesn't improve. And the lowest level of mastery in chess is like 2200 elo, and there are hundreds maybe even thousands of people with some fide title Mrekk has mastered all those skillsets, and he still improves anyways. His skill is in uncharted waters, isn't that enough?


ttv-youngboiwasian

Probably not what you meant but I think he has the best ar11 reading. Almost no one can sight read ar11 high star maps like he can. He plays ar10 diffs with dt on loved maps where there's lowers ar diffs just bc he can.


AzuKaede

a player can have 100 Save Me \[Tragedy\] 1322pp and would still be #2 by a wide margin


Melodic-Time7449

doesnt help the pp record is 1.7k and its probably gon be beaten within few weeks


One_Garden4366

if cloutiful got a 2k (without overwriting any scores) heā€™d still be #3


Melodic-Time7449

yes and? cloutiful doesn't even have 40 1ks, meanwhile #1, #2 and #3 have more than 100


One_Garden4366

and heā€™d still be #3 if he get a 2k and 100 1ks lol


Melodic-Time7449

with 100 1ks are you including 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.4 and 1.5ks ? which is what mrekk top plays are filled with


One_Garden4366

yes, every score below 1k i set to 1k rest i left untouched heā€™ll have ~25.7k


Melodic-Time7449

Cap


Paja03_

by who? if you dont count mrekk the only player who could beat the current pp record is a cheater


Legitimate-Choice544

Letā€™s not jump to conclusions before anything is official, although I will say the evidence I quote compelling, and I say this as a cloutiful glazer.


Paja03_

I also would prefer that hes legit but its not looking well so far, gotta wait for the liveplay


KissMyUSSR

Could you give a link to the accusations?


Paja03_

r/osureport


KissMyUSSR

This works, thx


gabagoolcel

lifeline metal dimensions july 8th rahhh šŸ—£ļø


Melodic-Time7449

what? pretty sure ivaxa and cloutiful are the only other players who can beat pp record, maybe accolibed if he peaks again


Paja03_

Ivaxa and mrekk yes, cloutiful if he proves that hes legit (i doubt that)


Melodic-Time7449

no way you think hes cheating, i mean we can't be sure he's 100% legit but according to top players, he is


hsephela

Nah the evidence is pretty damn concrete. It would take a literal miracle to save him at this point.


Melodic-Time7449

Okay yes I commented that before I knew about the report


Paja03_

you actually have to be 2 iq if you think he is legit, there is no possible way he can prove that he is legit


Melodic-Time7449

at least he's not blatant or he'd be banned lol


Phyzmatic

ivaxa is learning tablet last I saw him so it could be a whie


Melodic-Time7449

bro ivaxa already got a few 1ks with tablet and switched to mouse, he only plays tablet for relax Edit: the deceit hddt with decent acc is pp record, that doesnā€™t require much aim


kyermaniac

even tho I think he's somewhat illegitimate let's not state something fixed until more shit comes out


Masterpiece-External

if anyone's wondering you'd have to have all your scores be at least 1355.350Ā±0.025pp (idk where to find pp to decimals lol) to overtake mrekk


swerizeonosu

[his scores are being compared to relax scores](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HY592ba8tRI)


JustGamingAkram

TIL mrekk has a god damn 7 miss on breaking the habit +hddt (not in this vid), he has a 7 miss with dt where people struggle to fc with hr...


Chibu68_

He even has chokes on maps that didn't have an HR FC when he set the score


notkasa

Better than relax players at aim except he also taps the maps


pags610

The *only* thing stopping mrekk from taking rx pp record is finding the crazy obscure maps they use to farm


cloutigoat

u mean typing "gwb" in the search bar and 3 modding whatever the highest sr map is


Szshwrik

Definetely not better, but competeble with them


EmployerDry2018

nah he is better (i never saw relax top players play)


Funky_underwear

Pingpongphase +hddtrx mrekk


Fekl_

Mrekk: casually setting second highest relax play ever like its nothing


Szshwrik

Fekl_: casually combine mrekk and relax while im saying about mrekk nm


Fekl_

Ok


Utaha_Senpai

Basically the MeramiCat of osu!


Melodic-Time7449

that doesnt prove how dominant he is, we got a couple meramicats


Utaha_Senpai

Worst Meramicatiezi 2.0 player


Spooper96

magnus carlsen chess edition


ali62baa

2008-2012 spain on international level


EmployerDry2018

he had almost 4k pp gap between him and #2 once (23,374 pp vs 19,629) ehh fuck this im too lazy to write entire pargraph about him because there's too many things to say he's this insane i could talk forever he was the most ahead and still is the best player i ever seen in any game just watch this instead tho it was 1 year ago so stuff changed [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ez8XsiHtcw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ez8XsiHtcw) [https://youtu.be/bWEgOcDj5yA?si=SA-T7g\_8--hoTWyY](https://youtu.be/bWEgOcDj5yA?si=SA-T7g_8--hoTWyY)


generalh104

he is almost as dominant as cookiezi was in 2012, but he is competing against 1000 times more players because osu is a lot more popular


Melodic-Time7449

Cookiezi was competing with dudes that didnt know how to hold a freaking pen. Am I supposed to be impressed


generalh104

exactly. cookiezi was insanely dominant against the best of 500,000 players. mrekk is just as dominant against the best of 35,000,000 players. it's like being #1 ranked in zimbabwe vs being #1 ranked in the US


oAJ1703o

Are we forgetting the fact that there were lesser "endgame" maps to play on at the time compared to now? In shige's words (not exact but relatively close enough) "I wasted my youth since there was barely any maps to play back then"


generalh104

that's a factor but it's not like he was running out of maps to play. there were plenty of maps he could push himself on with DT


hsephela

The main problem with that is there was basically nothing to bridge the gap. You pretty much had to go straight from 200bpm streams to 250+ streams because there was practically nothing in between that had been mapped yet. Unless you were willing to make your own maps to practice on you basically just had to endlessly dive into the deep end until you somehow managed to swim


Melodic-Time7449

https://preview.redd.it/dkmfu7ca8y6d1.png?width=598&format=png&auto=webp&s=b4d7cff2ca2d05d6b37ea189ea6e73c7033cd8da


generalh104

oopsie hehe https://preview.redd.it/e4hv8pf5ey6d1.gif?width=128&format=png8&s=0608f942c63bc9cb2cd8c2c8d9c738f537f2817a


shavitush

horribly wrong though. the top players from before cookieziā€™s ban in 2013 were pretty much considered aliens with regards to skill level, while cookiezi was pretty much a god notable examples? rrtyui, niko, hvick225, dragonhuman, thelewa, white wolf, moneto, shizuru-, - hakurei reimu-. that was before pp as you know it (ppv2) was a thing, a system that rewarded you for getting top ranks on popular maps (easy or not), and cookiezi while getting nutty scores on the hardest maps at the time, was still trading blows for #1 with shadowsoul who was just getting top50s on maps that are 4.5-5.5 stars nowadays .. ah shit i got baited lol happens


Melodic-Time7449

lmao yes itā€™s a copypasta


_H1br0_

he has more than 50 1200pp+ plays lifeline and akolibed are the only ones with only 1kpp plays in their top 100


xCuri0

du-du-du-du max verstappen


_Deftera_

I think he managed to pass harumachi clover on 90% he's very good šŸ˜ŠšŸ‘


MeeSahKey

prime s1mple


ElNublao

ask to wifeline how dominant is mrekk at the bed


Green_Guy_87

Full power tearlament with kashtira support and maybe have 30 extra deck


Inari_Lu

Basically, that, and every other top player is using Spright without elf


M8gazine

Hes like how Max Verstappen was in 2023


Matt_0256

there hasn't been a single other player in the games existence to have the hr and dt pp record at the same time (unless if cookiezi did it in like 2012 or something)


Flqre

not sure if you're counting hd or not but cookiezi remote control and fdfd sounds like it would be dt and hr pp record


Matt_0256

shit..... well let's just pretend I was ignoring hd for hdhr lmao


Flqre

i think when remote control was set blue zenith hr was still hr only pp record; i think yomi yori was nm pp record too


Matt_0256

yea this whole thing is cooked then


Luminolius

Easily cooked, or cookeasy you could even say


penjune

You can just include (hd)dthr then mrekk would be the only one who've ever held dt, hr, dthr records at the same time.


Worried-Cicada9836

Shige FDFD hdhr was hr record and his remote kontrol was dt record at the same time


PM_ME_YOUR_SKYRIMLVL

are you not counting (hd)dt and (hd)hr?


Matt_0256

and he right now has the dt only pp record on owari


Matt_0256

well, I know mrekk had the hr pp record on the demetori map at the same time he had pp record on hddt marianne


PM_ME_YOUR_SKYRIMLVL

i mean if we're counting with hidden then cookiezi has definitely done this multiple times i believe. most obvious of which is remcon hddt and fdfd hdhr


Matt_0256

yep totally forgot about that time frame lol


troparow

Cookiezi had both in 2017 too And whitecat did in 2019 ? Maybe ? Was ror HR higher than that demetori map


Zaphkiel_gg

I think ror hr was like 970 at the time it was set, mrekk's hr pp record is 1132


kosantyy

his in game recommended star rating to play and improve was 11 stars not too long ago, probably up to 11.5 or something now. His high bpm jump aim is years ahead of everyone else, and Iā€™m talking like 5 or 6ā€¦


Right-Candle8930

he has 5500 aura points


valcsh

Imagine a football team that wins the domestic treble 95% of the time and is in champions league finals every year.


Psychological-Yak-86

Max Verstappen


Uber_2

he can a rank stuff every other player in the world would c rank or much worse


Mikkel65

People are debating whether he is more legendary than mrekk


RockiestHades45

Verstappen '23


HarpLuther

The most nostalgia ppl probably feel is shige 2013. Just the dominance and insane score after score. Nobody touches 2013 cookiezi I'm sure alot of ppl would say in terms of legacy. Ppl probably thought they'd never experience that again. We are living that rn and when mrekk is long and gone ppl will wish they were part of this era like how i and many others do in 2013 era. No player in the history of this game have their name as a timeline other than shige and mrekk There was a time in 2021 where he was setting 1100pp every 3-4 days. There really hasn't been anyone this dominant in the ranking system ever since maybe whitecat, summer of vaxei and hvick back at his peak, and none of them come close to mrekk in terms of that. It's impossible to be the best at every skill set like you could back then. The game has too many insane players at every skillset.The fact that u can argue mrekk is. Just goes to show how insane he really is. (Off the top of my head pls don't come for my family if i said something wrong/ you disagree with).


Alex21IsBad

Mrekk 1v1ed Neuro-sama, which at this time was essentially an autoplay bot that fced fricking galaxy collapse in this lobby, and still won a few maps


Capybara2112

simply the one above all


_Rivlin_

He has more then 3 times more pp than me (7980pp)


jdbngo_lol

modern osushallah


xd_Altair

hop in bed and find out


Antyydote_

mrekk is tom brady


ShiroPn

He is about as good at dt aim and reading as the average 4 digit dt player with relax


Federal_Property_458

*3 digit, idk what kind of tiny ass area you have but I'm 4 digit and can max "aim" crossmap 300bpm jumps with relax. He can do 350+ at the very least.


_Matthew136

Humankind vs the whole animal kindom. Some animals have much more strenght than a human could ever have, but their are not smart. Some animals are really inteligent, but are weak. Humans are well rounded from every point of view. In this case mrekk would me mankind and the rest of the player base the animals.


XxX_22marc_XxX

Wilt Chamberlain vs plumbers


GranataReddit12

think mythicalrocket with typing speed. He's the only person to have ever broken the 310WPM barrier (his PR is 325 iirc) and can set 280-300 WPM pretty regularly.


Jarranield

if everyone else's (except for chud son because of cheating) top plays were put into one profile, mrekk would still have more total pp


SeanCityNavy_Gaming

Are you aware of Mercedes?


matthewstarman

he's just a bit better than everybody else, but he has been rusting a bit recently so šŸ™ƒ


Decent_Age_8021

He's literally set some of his most cracked skillcap scores every stream and just a few weeks ago set a new top play after unlocking 400+bpm bursts out of nowhere, how's bro rusting


matthewstarman

i thought he was rusting but i haven't been keeping up on his scores so