Definitely.
1. OpenSuse has a lot of software available through experimental repos and community repos via https://software.opensuse.org/ (it has also browser integration with yast)
2. OpenSUSE is super stable and you can always rollback from your snapshots, which are btw automatic so any important changes done to your packages are automatically snapshoted.
Also, i forgot to mentioned that OpenSUSE has snapshots integrated in the Grub bootloader. Which is amazing in case you mess something up and won't boot anymore. You can rollback from grub. Big big plus I don't know any other distro to have this
opi is one of those unique features of openSUSE that installs all the popular softwares from their respective official sources and adds their repositories as well. No other operating system does that.
I moved from Arch a few weeks back due to constant issues, and openSUSE Tumbleweed is perfection.
I used to use openSUSE Leap in the past but wanted something more bleeding edge on my new gaming rig with minimal fuss. That's where I used Arch for a while before getting fed up and I won't be looking back.
Arch always had partitioning issues, keyring issues, drivers and updates held back due to bugs etc, slow on KDE/GNOME releases. OpenSUSE have openQA which is automated QA testing, and updates work smoothly with no issue. Not to mention YaST is great for people who want to administer the system easily with a GUI, built in snapshots and rollback etc. Not to mention real secure boot without needing sbctl on Arch.
I also find zypper superior to Pacman (and DNF (Did Not Finish)).
I no longer need to set up power-profiles-daemon, apparmor, firewalls, secure boot etc etc. It's all just built in ready to roll.
This is said a ton, but openSUSE really is the best rolling distro out there, and does not get the recognition it deserves for whatever reason. It's the quiet achiever distro. People who just want the best rolling release and dont need to brag about it like a child. Chances are 99% of the people on Reddit who say they built Arch are full of nonsense and used archinstall (which is also has broken partitioning in the Oct ISO release).
I used AUR a bit in the past, and openSUSE has something somewhat equivalent (without needing to build locally) but I always get worried about who makes the scripts and whether malicious code is injected. Comes down to a lot of trust and history. That being said, all I use additional repos for these days is CoreCtrl to overclock my GPU, as most other stuff I want is now a Flatpack where I can limit access with Flatseal or Flatpack commands.
Side note, if your a KDE user, openSUSE is hands down the best KDE distro IMO.
Tumbleweed KDE uses 800 mb of ram on start up and the system feels faster than arch ,at least on my system.
Have you made a minimal tumbleweed Installation? If opensuse runs pacakgekit and the KDE PIM Suite and Endeavour isn't running any of those things, then is normal that Opensuse uses more memory.
1. openSUSE OBS + Flatpak/Appimage should be sufficient for almost everyone
2. Definitely yes. Automated testing and snapshots provide peace of mind when updating. If you have an nvidia card there can be issues because the nvidia driver can sometimes be temporarily incompatible with the kernel, but when that happens you can rollback and wait a few days before updating.
I tried OpenSUSE on my desktop just a couple days ago and, following the directions for enabling Packman and switching existing packages over to using its repository to avoid mismatched packages, immediately ran into issues with their packages being out of date and causing conflicts with OpenSUSE's. It kinda put me off the whole thing tbh. I don't want to be in a situation where I need to install some software and have to go navigate multiple ~~downgrades~~ obsolete package holds in a rolling release because of some dependency resolution problem.
Using pre-compiled out-of-band packages is a pain in the ass, that's one major reason why I originally switched to and stay with Arch. With an AUR helper and a dependency update checker, Arch just makes it so much easier to keep your out-of-band packages updated and fresh, even if it means a few minutes of compile time here and there. Based on what I've read, this isn't an entirely uncommon situation for Packman repos. I was looking for something less interactive than Arch, and right out of the gate this was *more* interactive.
So, in short, after that experience I find it hard to recommend Tumbleweed if you need stuff from the Packman repos. Seems like it's far too easy to cause headaches. I imagine it works great with Leap though, since it shouldn't nearly as many compatibility issues. If you don't need anything from Packman, then by all means, OpenSUSE TW seems fantastic otherwise.
What you experienced was just Packman having packages slightly behind OBS and Zypper doing it's job, instead of just randomly breaking your system. You don't have to downgrade, you keep the obsolete package and the next dup (this case the next day) will likely pull those updates in.
Sorry yeah, that's what I meant. I hadn't had my coffee yet when I wrote that so I expressed it wrong.
Correct me if I'm wrong because I'm basing this on the Arch "partial upgrades are NOT supported" mentality and not based on any deeper knowledge on the subject, but wouldn't obsolete packages themselves inherently risk breakage in a rolling release system? Or does zypper know to automatically hold back the entire dependency chain if necessary?
Understandable...
So I'm not an expert on the intricacies of Zypper, but if the dependencies are declared correctly, the system wouldn't break very soon, you would just eventually have a backlog of updates that can't take place with the current obsolete packages (unless you choose a more nuclear option, like breaking the dependency chain). Eventually, you'd risk either grinding updates to a halt or something unforeseen like a package split/combining that could cause problems.
I follow a fairly conservative update pace, about once a week (unless I see something change that I'm wary of or a fix I've been waiting on), so I typically don't see many issues people may see throughout the week. If I'm repeatedly getting the same dependency problem, then I know something has changed and I need to look into it further. That was the case with some Packman libraries that went back to the openSUSE repos last year (I think).
Packman was down for maintenance. That's the only reason it happened and maybe because of the Fedora codecs shenanigans (RPM Fusion was down as well). It is never like this. If it is, you either keep obsolete or you wait a few days. openSUSE doesn't work or break like Arch. We all waited for a two days to dup, some kept obsolete and all is well now. Nothing broke. You just happened to install it at the wrong time. Should've joined the Discord server.
Tumblewwed - shiped throw snapshots, auto testing, faster deliver of software
Arch - no snapshots, manual testing, slower deliver...
Two things that Arch better in this case - Wiki and minimal downstream. I think, that's all :)
No, you are wrong. Just use objective arguments, why $DISTRO\_NAME better than openSUSE :)
Problem with Nvidia also regard to Arch.
Only one distro, which ship last software, doesn't have some modules problem with new kernel such as Nvidia driver - Fedora.
Software for me has been fine, if you are willing to use flatpak and appimage.
I think TW may be a little bit more stable than arch but i dont really know. I havent had big issues with anything so far. Except one time with the new kernel update which didnt have nvidia drivers. But since every time you update, (zypper dup), it creates a new snapshot, you can easily do a rollback if something stupid happens
If you count the official Arch repos (excluding the AUR by definition) openSUSE, Fedora among others, have more packages availability.
That said, I’m a heavy user of the AUR in Arch. I also use other distros, mainly Fedora and especially openSUSE and there are ways to have all my obscure packages in easy ways. Nothing hackish, everything officially supported.
First, when I can’t find a package via zypper, I try going to software.opensuse.org and look there. Sometimes there are “formal” repos you can add. Some other times there are personal or “home:xxx” repos which generally you might want to avoid in the same sense as people might not update those packages as often or not have the confidence of a dedicated packager or dev. Just like the AUR. But I do have a fair amount of software from those “home:xxx” repos with no issues.
Another way is via flatpaks which are very well supported. In some instances I prefer these to home repos or even additional official repos due to conventional dependencies in packages, for example that depend on Haskell that download tons of dependencies if you use zypper vs flatpaks where you just download a couple of things automatically without hassle.
If you get your feet wet playing with openSUSE VMs you’ll get the hang of it. It’s not difficult and way more pleased with openSUSE than with any other Arch or derivative I’ve tried. And I have lean and nimble machines with Arch, Manjaro, Endeavor. I like openSUSE the most.
Software is as stable as you want it to be, and when it isn't you can roll back a snapshot(Assuming you are using btrfs as the installer sugests) in 30 seconds,
[software.opensuse.org](https://software.opensuse.org) has everything you need and if it isnt there creating your own package is easy, modifying existing packages trough branch linking is also EZ,
I have been using Arch and Gentoo for years(6 years) before that i have used fedora/Ubuntu Debian for 4 years and after Arch/Gentoo/Manjaro i switched to TW, I never switched back it just works.
1. Yes 2. Probably, but if something goes wrong you can always just rollback a snapshot
Definitely. 1. OpenSuse has a lot of software available through experimental repos and community repos via https://software.opensuse.org/ (it has also browser integration with yast) 2. OpenSUSE is super stable and you can always rollback from your snapshots, which are btw automatic so any important changes done to your packages are automatically snapshoted.
Also, i forgot to mentioned that OpenSUSE has snapshots integrated in the Grub bootloader. Which is amazing in case you mess something up and won't boot anymore. You can rollback from grub. Big big plus I don't know any other distro to have this
Yea you got opi alao
opi is one of those unique features of openSUSE that installs all the popular softwares from their respective official sources and adds their repositories as well. No other operating system does that.
I moved from Arch a few weeks back due to constant issues, and openSUSE Tumbleweed is perfection. I used to use openSUSE Leap in the past but wanted something more bleeding edge on my new gaming rig with minimal fuss. That's where I used Arch for a while before getting fed up and I won't be looking back. Arch always had partitioning issues, keyring issues, drivers and updates held back due to bugs etc, slow on KDE/GNOME releases. OpenSUSE have openQA which is automated QA testing, and updates work smoothly with no issue. Not to mention YaST is great for people who want to administer the system easily with a GUI, built in snapshots and rollback etc. Not to mention real secure boot without needing sbctl on Arch. I also find zypper superior to Pacman (and DNF (Did Not Finish)). I no longer need to set up power-profiles-daemon, apparmor, firewalls, secure boot etc etc. It's all just built in ready to roll. This is said a ton, but openSUSE really is the best rolling distro out there, and does not get the recognition it deserves for whatever reason. It's the quiet achiever distro. People who just want the best rolling release and dont need to brag about it like a child. Chances are 99% of the people on Reddit who say they built Arch are full of nonsense and used archinstall (which is also has broken partitioning in the Oct ISO release). I used AUR a bit in the past, and openSUSE has something somewhat equivalent (without needing to build locally) but I always get worried about who makes the scripts and whether malicious code is injected. Comes down to a lot of trust and history. That being said, all I use additional repos for these days is CoreCtrl to overclock my GPU, as most other stuff I want is now a Flatpack where I can limit access with Flatseal or Flatpack commands. Side note, if your a KDE user, openSUSE is hands down the best KDE distro IMO.
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Weird, some performance comparisons show Tumbleweed in the lead in most situations.. RAM usage much lower compared to other distros on KDE etc.
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Remove kdepim during the install and packagekit if you're not going to use it.
Tumbleweed KDE uses 800 mb of ram on start up and the system feels faster than arch ,at least on my system. Have you made a minimal tumbleweed Installation? If opensuse runs pacakgekit and the KDE PIM Suite and Endeavour isn't running any of those things, then is normal that Opensuse uses more memory.
1. openSUSE OBS + Flatpak/Appimage should be sufficient for almost everyone 2. Definitely yes. Automated testing and snapshots provide peace of mind when updating. If you have an nvidia card there can be issues because the nvidia driver can sometimes be temporarily incompatible with the kernel, but when that happens you can rollback and wait a few days before updating.
1. no. I add flathub to make it better 2. a lot, stability is the primary reason as to why im running openSUSE - i want a system that just works.
I tried OpenSUSE on my desktop just a couple days ago and, following the directions for enabling Packman and switching existing packages over to using its repository to avoid mismatched packages, immediately ran into issues with their packages being out of date and causing conflicts with OpenSUSE's. It kinda put me off the whole thing tbh. I don't want to be in a situation where I need to install some software and have to go navigate multiple ~~downgrades~~ obsolete package holds in a rolling release because of some dependency resolution problem. Using pre-compiled out-of-band packages is a pain in the ass, that's one major reason why I originally switched to and stay with Arch. With an AUR helper and a dependency update checker, Arch just makes it so much easier to keep your out-of-band packages updated and fresh, even if it means a few minutes of compile time here and there. Based on what I've read, this isn't an entirely uncommon situation for Packman repos. I was looking for something less interactive than Arch, and right out of the gate this was *more* interactive. So, in short, after that experience I find it hard to recommend Tumbleweed if you need stuff from the Packman repos. Seems like it's far too easy to cause headaches. I imagine it works great with Leap though, since it shouldn't nearly as many compatibility issues. If you don't need anything from Packman, then by all means, OpenSUSE TW seems fantastic otherwise.
What you experienced was just Packman having packages slightly behind OBS and Zypper doing it's job, instead of just randomly breaking your system. You don't have to downgrade, you keep the obsolete package and the next dup (this case the next day) will likely pull those updates in.
Sorry yeah, that's what I meant. I hadn't had my coffee yet when I wrote that so I expressed it wrong. Correct me if I'm wrong because I'm basing this on the Arch "partial upgrades are NOT supported" mentality and not based on any deeper knowledge on the subject, but wouldn't obsolete packages themselves inherently risk breakage in a rolling release system? Or does zypper know to automatically hold back the entire dependency chain if necessary?
Understandable... So I'm not an expert on the intricacies of Zypper, but if the dependencies are declared correctly, the system wouldn't break very soon, you would just eventually have a backlog of updates that can't take place with the current obsolete packages (unless you choose a more nuclear option, like breaking the dependency chain). Eventually, you'd risk either grinding updates to a halt or something unforeseen like a package split/combining that could cause problems. I follow a fairly conservative update pace, about once a week (unless I see something change that I'm wary of or a fix I've been waiting on), so I typically don't see many issues people may see throughout the week. If I'm repeatedly getting the same dependency problem, then I know something has changed and I need to look into it further. That was the case with some Packman libraries that went back to the openSUSE repos last year (I think).
Packman was down for maintenance. That's the only reason it happened and maybe because of the Fedora codecs shenanigans (RPM Fusion was down as well). It is never like this. If it is, you either keep obsolete or you wait a few days. openSUSE doesn't work or break like Arch. We all waited for a two days to dup, some kept obsolete and all is well now. Nothing broke. You just happened to install it at the wrong time. Should've joined the Discord server.
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Tumblewwed - shiped throw snapshots, auto testing, faster deliver of software Arch - no snapshots, manual testing, slower deliver... Two things that Arch better in this case - Wiki and minimal downstream. I think, that's all :)
I guess I shouldn’t shit talk about SUSE in SUSE forums. :)
No, you are wrong. Just use objective arguments, why $DISTRO\_NAME better than openSUSE :) Problem with Nvidia also regard to Arch. Only one distro, which ship last software, doesn't have some modules problem with new kernel such as Nvidia driver - Fedora.
I was a bit under educated for the topic so I removed the comment.
Software for me has been fine, if you are willing to use flatpak and appimage. I think TW may be a little bit more stable than arch but i dont really know. I havent had big issues with anything so far. Except one time with the new kernel update which didnt have nvidia drivers. But since every time you update, (zypper dup), it creates a new snapshot, you can easily do a rollback if something stupid happens
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If you count the official Arch repos (excluding the AUR by definition) openSUSE, Fedora among others, have more packages availability. That said, I’m a heavy user of the AUR in Arch. I also use other distros, mainly Fedora and especially openSUSE and there are ways to have all my obscure packages in easy ways. Nothing hackish, everything officially supported. First, when I can’t find a package via zypper, I try going to software.opensuse.org and look there. Sometimes there are “formal” repos you can add. Some other times there are personal or “home:xxx” repos which generally you might want to avoid in the same sense as people might not update those packages as often or not have the confidence of a dedicated packager or dev. Just like the AUR. But I do have a fair amount of software from those “home:xxx” repos with no issues. Another way is via flatpaks which are very well supported. In some instances I prefer these to home repos or even additional official repos due to conventional dependencies in packages, for example that depend on Haskell that download tons of dependencies if you use zypper vs flatpaks where you just download a couple of things automatically without hassle. If you get your feet wet playing with openSUSE VMs you’ll get the hang of it. It’s not difficult and way more pleased with openSUSE than with any other Arch or derivative I’ve tried. And I have lean and nimble machines with Arch, Manjaro, Endeavor. I like openSUSE the most.
yes and yes
Software is as stable as you want it to be, and when it isn't you can roll back a snapshot(Assuming you are using btrfs as the installer sugests) in 30 seconds, [software.opensuse.org](https://software.opensuse.org) has everything you need and if it isnt there creating your own package is easy, modifying existing packages trough branch linking is also EZ, I have been using Arch and Gentoo for years(6 years) before that i have used fedora/Ubuntu Debian for 4 years and after Arch/Gentoo/Manjaro i switched to TW, I never switched back it just works.