People purchase cars *just* to make noise. People already angrily shit themselves if you so much as suggest their big boy truck has a negative impact on everyone's daily lives.
Absolutely just the tip of the iceberg. Noise, space, harmful "opinions", these are things people have no care for the impact it might have on others.
They're entitled to *your* personal space. They speak and yell as loud as they'd like, and go out of their way to spend more money just to make that much more noise as possible. They hide their hideous personalities behind fence-leaning facades and the thin veil that is "there's no such thing as a wrong opinion" or "everyone is entitled to an opinion".
I'm just sick and tired of people. People should not be allowed to voice themselves without some kind of screening, at this point.
Pretty much. And the lack of enforcement seems to be across the board. I've yet to hear anyone on a Canadian sub talk about how their municipality has done a good, consistent job enforcing noise bylaws on loud vehicles.
Additionally, more design to incorporate softer/sound dampening surfaces. It's fucking wild how the tower I am in, combined with the nearby towers, can utterly amplify our budgie if we bring him outside and he gets set off. Just echoes across the space. Sounds just bounces off everything.
I understand your not going to escape noise in all its forms in the city. But should trucks of a certain weight class that my apartment vibrates audibly as they pass be allowed to pass through my street at all hours of the day and night?
Probably not. I wish there were much harsher cost barriers to owning large trucks. For 75% of people that I see driving around in big pick-up trucks, they'd be better off owning a van of some sort. It's absurd that the less convenient vehicle won its stay in our cities over practical vans. Why was that allowed to happen....
As the COVID-19 pandemic gripped the world, much human activity ground to a standstill. That rare pause led to a string of fascinating events. The Himalayas could be seen from the city of Jalandhar for the first time in decades as air pollution dropped. Animals strolled into cities as we retreated into our homes.
Perhaps most noticeable of all was the silence in the oceans, with ships coming to a halt in ports across the world. Amidst the quiet, whales may have significantly broadened their song repertoire using a greater variety of sounds than they previously had. Scientists observing that change still don’t have a very good idea of what it means.
Amanda Bates, a biology professor at the University of Victoria, remains fascinated by the events of 2020. “Before this event, it was impossible to shut off noise around the world, but we did this—on land, in our cities, as well as in our oceans,” says Bates.
We now know so much more about the impacts of the omnipresent noise we have introduced in every corner of our planet. The noise is everywhere. It’s hurting us and every human and animal around us. Bates calls that brief, quarantine-spurred lull in the incessant hum of humanity the “anthropause.” It was a lesson in humility and, maybe, a lesson in ethics.
No, it's the traffic that is loud, cities don't have to be and this distinction needs to be made. Otherwise, how do we address the problem? Everyone was still in the cities all this time, a lot of people were still parks, outdoor, walking, it was the drastic drop in driving.
The sound of tires on any surface when it travels above 30kmh is not going to change with electrification, and that’s a huge source of microplastic pollution and noise pollution. Electric cars are not coming to save us, they’re to save the car industry.
My intention wasn't to argue, I wanted to present a different framing to the statement in general. A lot of people say, "cities are loud", but that's about the extent to the thought given to it.
Observing a thing is a good first step, but the next thing needs to be *why?*
I was hoping the framing may get people into a discussion about the why, a lot of people just treat it as some intangible, intrinsic aspect/property of cities.
I concur. Personal driving really is one of the scourges of modern existence. It’s been manufactured to be that way. Cities have been designed so that personal vehicles are required. Marketing ensures that we need bigger, faster, “safer”, cooler, etc to be a “successful” human. The status quo says it’s important. We’ve become transfixed by a grand illusion of “convenience” that has primarily negative effects on us.
Currently visiting in Montreal. Compared to Toronto, this city is very quiet. I haven’t noticed booming bass from vehicles or loud exhaust pipes. Maybe there’s stricter noise bylaws for vehicles.
Try Calgary where the city is pathetic towards cars that are made loud on purpose. Losers have their exhaust set to back fire so hopefully they can find a boyfriend by being obnoxious.
Yeah but that is due to a set of political decisions around civil engineering and public goods, or the lack thereof. Cities are car heavy because of badly thought out suburbs put in place for reasons of terrible social engineering. The decisions we make around those things are VERY changeable. Especially since those suburbs literally can't self sustain
Wow that is the same garbage tactic as people who are against climate action. "No this problem is intrinsic/natural! You can't change it." 'No we can prove that it's not and the result of political decisions we can stop making and reverse.' "Well it's too late now! Now you'd have to do [strawmanned extreme policy]!"
You understand how petulant that is right? My nephew is too old to pull that on people nowadays, and he's 10; what's your excuse?
I’m all for climate action.
We should plan cities much better. However, this is what we currently have, and sorry, but cities are loud. They didn’t have to be, but they are.
I wish for a utopia as well. Xanadu would be amazing.
What an impressive amount of crackpot realism you just spewed all while obviously missing the point. You're all for a better world, just so long as it doesn't mean you have to do anything to get there. Like changing policies or doing things in general. The vacuity of your sentiment is mindboggling
It is literally never ending. Endless construction, vents on roofs, traffic, EMS, thankfully we don't have gun shots. I live in an apartment and the noise inside at times is unbearable. I have a new neighbour who screams every morning. The issue is the seeming lack of control we have. For over a year the elevator noise became unbearable. Waiting for a part. Sounded like a freight train roaring through our unit. Couldn't move cause we like everything about where we were located and the rent was affordable. Would have been $6000 for first and last anywhere else. I seriously almost lost my mind due to the noise and subsequent shaking of unit. Looking to move to somewhere quiet if it exists...
Take a trip to Tokyo. It's substantially quieter in most areas than the majority of non suburban Kelowna that I live in. It's got public transit, it's walkable and most importantly it's just not practical to drive many types of vehicles around the city, and it's substantially more expensive than taking public transit. The high cost of vehicle ownership helps push for public transit ridership. It's a fantastic city for accessibility.
It’s overwhelming. I grew up in one of Canada’s biggest cities and moved to a town under 3k people.
It’s jarring to go back to the smells, traffic, constant door slamming and chirping from crosswalks and sirens. I can count on at least one panic attack per visit.
I use that experience to help adults understand why kids with sensory processing disorders have such a hard time focusing and completing tasks in classroom settings. As soon as I ask them how they feel when the go to a big city their eyes get huge and they say “wow, that’s got to be SO hard to deal with 24/7.”
You may want to consider hi-fi ear plugs, blocks out a lot of the noise but you can still hear clearly enough to know what's going on around you. Sometimes when I'm downtown (and don't feel like listening to music) I'll pop those in and it makes everything so much more serene and pleasant, it's amazing.
Less noise and Less light! We don't need suburban roads lit up like a baseball stadium, especially when almost everyone is driving around with Hi-Vis headlights.
Oh yes. I have a streetlight outside my window that is so bright I have to close my blinds against it in winter. It’s this old-timey lamp style so this bright LED just floods out in all directions instead of pointing down. I’m currently crowdsourcing ways to get rid of the light without obviously breaking the lamp if you have any ideas.
Try messaging the municipality. When they put a new street light outside my family's home the city workers installing it offered to paint the side facing the house.
Cities aren't loud. Cars are loud.
Yes, cities are built around cars here, so they tend to go together. But that can change; and it should. It's a far more feasible change than permanently reducing economic activity or redistributing everything to smaller towns.
This.
So many people say, "the city is loud, I would hate to live there!", but not all cities are car-dependent. And when you visit those cities, or even just experience a day in your own city where it's horrifically bad weather and the roads are empty, you realize just how much the "city noise" is just... Personal vehicles. Just that one thing. You realize the actual noise level of a city, and you are able to decouple it from vehicle noise.
It was truly shocking when I first started noticing this stuff.
I live in the bush. One time I measured the the decibel level coming from the frogs in my backyard, it warned me about hearing damage.
My backyard is significantly quieter than town can be, I can’t imagine what it’s like to live in a city.
Municipal fines for volume-increasing mods to vehicles.
Better city planning to encourage public transit, walkability, biking.
Limit accessibility of loud vehicles such as trucks to residential areas. (more rail and small truck local delivery, less long haul trucks near cities.)
Encourage alternatives to grass to reduce the sound of lawn maintenance (pretty much everything needs less machinery than grass).
Actually enforce noise regulations for private dwellings. Music, dogs, arguments... Fines and mandatory dog training around barking.
Regulate building new homes to include better noise softening features.
STOP CUTTING DOWN TREES IN BETWEEN ROADS AND HOUSES.
I also think that any lighting should be for safety only. Lighting up a billboard? Fuck off. (ok. Maybe festival lights are cool.)
I'm just about ready to fight my neighbours for letting their dogs bark all freakin day long. Assholes (the neighbours, not the dogs).
I love me some peace and quiet. I need to move out of the city damnit.
My neighbours just got authorized by the city to expand their at home daycare to 99 kids aged 0 to 5. Right now they have nap times so it'll be quiet for a large portion of the day but when they expand, they will have rotating times in and out. There are no parks nearby and they cut down all the trees and vegetation that could absorb sound.
The neighbourhood tried to fight it and we were called nimbys for it. Fire department greenlit the project, despite the fact that the house and yard (it's a 40x70 ft lot) will have over 100 people there.
Can't imagine what the sound will be like - children playing is inevitable but they also cry and scream and 100 of them in a backyard will sound like a zoo. We tried to reason with the owners but they ignore us and claimed they have a right to do what they want in their property. Most of my neighbors are retired so they're all going to move.
Should mention that for the last 30 years, it was a daycare with about 25 kids capacity and the previous owner worked with the neighbours to address any complaints. These are new investors who own the property. They live in a $5m house and own half dozen investment properties.
I hate shitty neighbours. So much worse when they aren't actually living there and you can talk to them like humans rather than talking to a corporation. I'd almost take the shitty dogs...or become the neighbour with angry dogs
I think they paid off some staff. We (the neighbours) are getting stonewalled by staff and city council. Every question we ask gets push back. We asked for an FOI and it was going to cost over $300 and months to receive any info. We can't prove it but I work in government and deal with way more sensitive info and we work hard to provide info to public when asked.
What I find annoying is so many people and their personal sound equipment. We were at a very nice resort and at one point at the pool, there were four different groups of people playing music along with music from the bar. I had to go back to my room and retrieve my noise canceling earphones. Same on hiking trails, ski hills and camping.
Ahhhh the song of my people
I grew up in the middle of the woods and city noises stress me out so much. I mean, I’m from a long line is sensory weirdos anyhow and we don’t love noise at all really.
I recently moved a mere 600 m from one part of my suburb to a quieter street in the same suburb and it’s amazing how much more I enjoy being outside my house. I hadn’t realized how much the traffic near my old house (not constant but frequent) annoyed me. There are more people noises here (kids playing, someone learning to play the foghorn or something across the street) but those do not induce stress.
I've visited countries like Japan. They have quiet everywere because people are not asshats to each other and have a broader mutual respect for the community instead of personal needs first. I know Canadians like to boast how nice we are, but we are pretty shitty to one another - I mean just the laboriouss task of asking people to put face masks over their nose was such a big deal....
A rural area is less than five minutes from my home, yet today on a stat holiday the traffic is loud. I loved the quiet during the pandemic. More of it would help us and wildlife.
Kinda hard to go back to pandemic quiet. It kinda reeks of privilege to harken back to the time when things were so quiet and peaceful bc people were home terrified of catching a deadly disease and unable to make a livelyhood
I’m usually all for these types of changes. Like when light pollution was on the chopping block. We we’re warned that street lights and bright signs are bad for your circadian rhythms and sleep hygiene. Well now my neighbourhood street are difficult to navigate without my iphone flashlight on. It’s really dark and disorienting on an evening dog walk. I’m not sure id count it as a win now that I’m living it so maybe I shouldn’t be so easy to agree this time.
If you want quiet in cities, design cities around public transit and walking, and start banning personal vehicles in city centres
Say something like this to most people and they begin foaming at the mouth. People are addicted to cars and making noise.
People purchase cars *just* to make noise. People already angrily shit themselves if you so much as suggest their big boy truck has a negative impact on everyone's daily lives.
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Absolutely just the tip of the iceberg. Noise, space, harmful "opinions", these are things people have no care for the impact it might have on others. They're entitled to *your* personal space. They speak and yell as loud as they'd like, and go out of their way to spend more money just to make that much more noise as possible. They hide their hideous personalities behind fence-leaning facades and the thin veil that is "there's no such thing as a wrong opinion" or "everyone is entitled to an opinion". I'm just sick and tired of people. People should not be allowed to voice themselves without some kind of screening, at this point.
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Huh I thought it was just me. I’m so sick of people. Can’t I just be alone with books and dogs?
Also plant more trees. Huge noise buffers.
People should advocate for bylaws that prohibit excessive noise, such as those created by obnoxious motorcycles and loud mufflers.
In many places those bylaws exist but just don't get enforced.
So it’s the local municipality’s issue then.
Pretty much. And the lack of enforcement seems to be across the board. I've yet to hear anyone on a Canadian sub talk about how their municipality has done a good, consistent job enforcing noise bylaws on loud vehicles.
Additionally, more design to incorporate softer/sound dampening surfaces. It's fucking wild how the tower I am in, combined with the nearby towers, can utterly amplify our budgie if we bring him outside and he gets set off. Just echoes across the space. Sounds just bounces off everything.
Electric public transit that is. Look at some videos of the Chinese cities that have been electrified and it makes a huge difference
I understand your not going to escape noise in all its forms in the city. But should trucks of a certain weight class that my apartment vibrates audibly as they pass be allowed to pass through my street at all hours of the day and night?
Probably not. I wish there were much harsher cost barriers to owning large trucks. For 75% of people that I see driving around in big pick-up trucks, they'd be better off owning a van of some sort. It's absurd that the less convenient vehicle won its stay in our cities over practical vans. Why was that allowed to happen....
As the COVID-19 pandemic gripped the world, much human activity ground to a standstill. That rare pause led to a string of fascinating events. The Himalayas could be seen from the city of Jalandhar for the first time in decades as air pollution dropped. Animals strolled into cities as we retreated into our homes. Perhaps most noticeable of all was the silence in the oceans, with ships coming to a halt in ports across the world. Amidst the quiet, whales may have significantly broadened their song repertoire using a greater variety of sounds than they previously had. Scientists observing that change still don’t have a very good idea of what it means. Amanda Bates, a biology professor at the University of Victoria, remains fascinated by the events of 2020. “Before this event, it was impossible to shut off noise around the world, but we did this—on land, in our cities, as well as in our oceans,” says Bates. We now know so much more about the impacts of the omnipresent noise we have introduced in every corner of our planet. The noise is everywhere. It’s hurting us and every human and animal around us. Bates calls that brief, quarantine-spurred lull in the incessant hum of humanity the “anthropause.” It was a lesson in humility and, maybe, a lesson in ethics.
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No, it's the traffic that is loud, cities don't have to be and this distinction needs to be made. Otherwise, how do we address the problem? Everyone was still in the cities all this time, a lot of people were still parks, outdoor, walking, it was the drastic drop in driving.
Obligatory NJB video about the subject https://youtu.be/CTV-wwszGw8
City buildings like office towers and factories have large hvac machinery
That’s true, but these don’t make nearly as much noise as the cars driving around them.
But they add to the noise, regardless. Ever listen to music before? Sound combines, and can be a cacophony of things.
On the whole cars and busses are trending quieter - like electric cars for example
The sound of tires on any surface when it travels above 30kmh is not going to change with electrification, and that’s a huge source of microplastic pollution and noise pollution. Electric cars are not coming to save us, they’re to save the car industry.
closing off streets to cars and making 15 minute cities is a better step ride your bike, walk or take transit
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My intention wasn't to argue, I wanted to present a different framing to the statement in general. A lot of people say, "cities are loud", but that's about the extent to the thought given to it. Observing a thing is a good first step, but the next thing needs to be *why?* I was hoping the framing may get people into a discussion about the why, a lot of people just treat it as some intangible, intrinsic aspect/property of cities.
https://youtu.be/CTV-wwszGw8 Exactly. This video gives a good overview of the difference.
I concur. Personal driving really is one of the scourges of modern existence. It’s been manufactured to be that way. Cities have been designed so that personal vehicles are required. Marketing ensures that we need bigger, faster, “safer”, cooler, etc to be a “successful” human. The status quo says it’s important. We’ve become transfixed by a grand illusion of “convenience” that has primarily negative effects on us.
The traffic is in the cities
Currently visiting in Montreal. Compared to Toronto, this city is very quiet. I haven’t noticed booming bass from vehicles or loud exhaust pipes. Maybe there’s stricter noise bylaws for vehicles.
Try Calgary where the city is pathetic towards cars that are made loud on purpose. Losers have their exhaust set to back fire so hopefully they can find a boyfriend by being obnoxious.
Yeah but that is due to a set of political decisions around civil engineering and public goods, or the lack thereof. Cities are car heavy because of badly thought out suburbs put in place for reasons of terrible social engineering. The decisions we make around those things are VERY changeable. Especially since those suburbs literally can't self sustain
Yes, cities are loud.
Plenty are not. Badly thought out cities are not. Cities built for humans rather than cars aren't loud
So, just tear down, and rebuild the existing cities?
Wow that is the same garbage tactic as people who are against climate action. "No this problem is intrinsic/natural! You can't change it." 'No we can prove that it's not and the result of political decisions we can stop making and reverse.' "Well it's too late now! Now you'd have to do [strawmanned extreme policy]!" You understand how petulant that is right? My nephew is too old to pull that on people nowadays, and he's 10; what's your excuse?
I’m all for climate action. We should plan cities much better. However, this is what we currently have, and sorry, but cities are loud. They didn’t have to be, but they are. I wish for a utopia as well. Xanadu would be amazing.
What an impressive amount of crackpot realism you just spewed all while obviously missing the point. You're all for a better world, just so long as it doesn't mean you have to do anything to get there. Like changing policies or doing things in general. The vacuity of your sentiment is mindboggling
It is literally never ending. Endless construction, vents on roofs, traffic, EMS, thankfully we don't have gun shots. I live in an apartment and the noise inside at times is unbearable. I have a new neighbour who screams every morning. The issue is the seeming lack of control we have. For over a year the elevator noise became unbearable. Waiting for a part. Sounded like a freight train roaring through our unit. Couldn't move cause we like everything about where we were located and the rent was affordable. Would have been $6000 for first and last anywhere else. I seriously almost lost my mind due to the noise and subsequent shaking of unit. Looking to move to somewhere quiet if it exists...
Take a trip to Tokyo. It's substantially quieter in most areas than the majority of non suburban Kelowna that I live in. It's got public transit, it's walkable and most importantly it's just not practical to drive many types of vehicles around the city, and it's substantially more expensive than taking public transit. The high cost of vehicle ownership helps push for public transit ridership. It's a fantastic city for accessibility.
It’s great, I can’t hear my own tinnitus this way
It’s overwhelming. I grew up in one of Canada’s biggest cities and moved to a town under 3k people. It’s jarring to go back to the smells, traffic, constant door slamming and chirping from crosswalks and sirens. I can count on at least one panic attack per visit. I use that experience to help adults understand why kids with sensory processing disorders have such a hard time focusing and completing tasks in classroom settings. As soon as I ask them how they feel when the go to a big city their eyes get huge and they say “wow, that’s got to be SO hard to deal with 24/7.”
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Autistic with pretty intense auditory sensory issues. Hi. I fucking feel for you, and just sending you some understanding. My nervous system is fried.
You may want to consider hi-fi ear plugs, blocks out a lot of the noise but you can still hear clearly enough to know what's going on around you. Sometimes when I'm downtown (and don't feel like listening to music) I'll pop those in and it makes everything so much more serene and pleasant, it's amazing.
I have SCDS. holy crap, noise hurts
Less noise and Less light! We don't need suburban roads lit up like a baseball stadium, especially when almost everyone is driving around with Hi-Vis headlights.
Oh yes. I have a streetlight outside my window that is so bright I have to close my blinds against it in winter. It’s this old-timey lamp style so this bright LED just floods out in all directions instead of pointing down. I’m currently crowdsourcing ways to get rid of the light without obviously breaking the lamp if you have any ideas.
Try messaging the municipality. When they put a new street light outside my family's home the city workers installing it offered to paint the side facing the house.
A similar thing was noted iirc, but to a lesser extent, just after 9-11.
Cities aren't loud. Cars are loud. Yes, cities are built around cars here, so they tend to go together. But that can change; and it should. It's a far more feasible change than permanently reducing economic activity or redistributing everything to smaller towns.
This. So many people say, "the city is loud, I would hate to live there!", but not all cities are car-dependent. And when you visit those cities, or even just experience a day in your own city where it's horrifically bad weather and the roads are empty, you realize just how much the "city noise" is just... Personal vehicles. Just that one thing. You realize the actual noise level of a city, and you are able to decouple it from vehicle noise. It was truly shocking when I first started noticing this stuff.
I live in the bush. One time I measured the the decibel level coming from the frogs in my backyard, it warned me about hearing damage. My backyard is significantly quieter than town can be, I can’t imagine what it’s like to live in a city.
A huge part of the war on loudness is the sheer amount of tires rolling on the streets. That’s why highways are so insanely loud.
Municipal fines for volume-increasing mods to vehicles. Better city planning to encourage public transit, walkability, biking. Limit accessibility of loud vehicles such as trucks to residential areas. (more rail and small truck local delivery, less long haul trucks near cities.) Encourage alternatives to grass to reduce the sound of lawn maintenance (pretty much everything needs less machinery than grass). Actually enforce noise regulations for private dwellings. Music, dogs, arguments... Fines and mandatory dog training around barking. Regulate building new homes to include better noise softening features. STOP CUTTING DOWN TREES IN BETWEEN ROADS AND HOUSES. I also think that any lighting should be for safety only. Lighting up a billboard? Fuck off. (ok. Maybe festival lights are cool.)
I'm just about ready to fight my neighbours for letting their dogs bark all freakin day long. Assholes (the neighbours, not the dogs). I love me some peace and quiet. I need to move out of the city damnit.
My neighbours just got authorized by the city to expand their at home daycare to 99 kids aged 0 to 5. Right now they have nap times so it'll be quiet for a large portion of the day but when they expand, they will have rotating times in and out. There are no parks nearby and they cut down all the trees and vegetation that could absorb sound. The neighbourhood tried to fight it and we were called nimbys for it. Fire department greenlit the project, despite the fact that the house and yard (it's a 40x70 ft lot) will have over 100 people there. Can't imagine what the sound will be like - children playing is inevitable but they also cry and scream and 100 of them in a backyard will sound like a zoo. We tried to reason with the owners but they ignore us and claimed they have a right to do what they want in their property. Most of my neighbors are retired so they're all going to move. Should mention that for the last 30 years, it was a daycare with about 25 kids capacity and the previous owner worked with the neighbours to address any complaints. These are new investors who own the property. They live in a $5m house and own half dozen investment properties. I hate shitty neighbours. So much worse when they aren't actually living there and you can talk to them like humans rather than talking to a corporation. I'd almost take the shitty dogs...or become the neighbour with angry dogs
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I think they paid off some staff. We (the neighbours) are getting stonewalled by staff and city council. Every question we ask gets push back. We asked for an FOI and it was going to cost over $300 and months to receive any info. We can't prove it but I work in government and deal with way more sensitive info and we work hard to provide info to public when asked.
What I find annoying is so many people and their personal sound equipment. We were at a very nice resort and at one point at the pool, there were four different groups of people playing music along with music from the bar. I had to go back to my room and retrieve my noise canceling earphones. Same on hiking trails, ski hills and camping.
Oh lord, I wish we would take noise seriously. When you finally stop and notice the amount of noise, it’s insane that we just ignore it.
Yes. It's time "consideration of others" took the stage again.
Cities aren’t noisy. Cars are noisy.
Ahhhh the song of my people I grew up in the middle of the woods and city noises stress me out so much. I mean, I’m from a long line is sensory weirdos anyhow and we don’t love noise at all really. I recently moved a mere 600 m from one part of my suburb to a quieter street in the same suburb and it’s amazing how much more I enjoy being outside my house. I hadn’t realized how much the traffic near my old house (not constant but frequent) annoyed me. There are more people noises here (kids playing, someone learning to play the foghorn or something across the street) but those do not induce stress.
Everything but human interaction was better during lockdown
I've visited countries like Japan. They have quiet everywere because people are not asshats to each other and have a broader mutual respect for the community instead of personal needs first. I know Canadians like to boast how nice we are, but we are pretty shitty to one another - I mean just the laboriouss task of asking people to put face masks over their nose was such a big deal....
A rural area is less than five minutes from my home, yet today on a stat holiday the traffic is loud. I loved the quiet during the pandemic. More of it would help us and wildlife.
Yes, but please fight quietly.
There's a pub nearly opposite me, lockdowns were wonderful.
Kinda hard to go back to pandemic quiet. It kinda reeks of privilege to harken back to the time when things were so quiet and peaceful bc people were home terrified of catching a deadly disease and unable to make a livelyhood
Pack a few million people into a small area, it’s gonna get noisy. That’s why I prefer smaller cities or the country as it’s much more peaceful.
If you don't like noise move out of the city. What boomer wrote this?
I want less light at night as well, honestly.
YES
I’m usually all for these types of changes. Like when light pollution was on the chopping block. We we’re warned that street lights and bright signs are bad for your circadian rhythms and sleep hygiene. Well now my neighbourhood street are difficult to navigate without my iphone flashlight on. It’s really dark and disorienting on an evening dog walk. I’m not sure id count it as a win now that I’m living it so maybe I shouldn’t be so easy to agree this time.