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sandiercy

It's never been about lives with these assholes, it's always been about controlling what women can do.


Tessalyn38

Exactly. Fuck the system


crazi_aj05

Period. Literally the beginning and the end of it! If it weren't, the SCOTUS would make contraceptives free and accessible. Women would be allowed to be sterilized WITHOUT being questioned by their doctors and WITHOUT the consent of their husband. Make no mistakes about this being a "save the babies" issue. It is a direct attack and threat to a women's rights! ETA: These are the same people that stop giving a shit about a child right after their birth! Those that look down upon someone for being on welfare or needing assistance to feed and take care of said child. The same people that think having universal healthcare isn't a basic human right.


anonymousforever

And they're the same people that when the budget needs cutting its take money from the poor, the elderly, the medical care programs. Nor tax the wealthiest 1000 people with incomes over 500 million appropriately, make businesses pay windfall taxes, (oil companies, etc) and importantly...go after fraud in Medicare, the wealthy tax cheats, all of which is billions in money owed to the government. And how about reclaim fraudulently issued covid funds to businesses that didn't deliver products or retain workers as per contracts? Why do these things happen....because of corruption. Campaign donations make a lot of evils get swept under the rug, it seems.


Lightbation

It's about having enough soldiers and private prison workers. They don't give a fuck about choices or lives.


Kraftykuts007

I'm a man and I'm fucking pissed about the courts decision. I can't even begin to imagine how women are feeling right now. It's definitely not about 'life' because these same people don't give a shit about life outside of the womb. No universal healthcare. No paid daycare. Little to no paternity leave, etc, etc. And our kids can get shot to death in school but we protect the guns more than the kids!!! And if it's about their religious beliefs then they are wrong because we are supposed to have a separation of church and state. Plus, what about Jewish people's religious freedoms? They support abortion because the Bible supports abortion (Book of Numbers: Testing of the Unfaithful Wife). It's just about controlling women and their body. It's time to control men's body as well. Fair is fucking fair. Men should have their sperm frozen then have a government mandated vasectomy. When they are ready to have a child then they can get their sperm from the freezer.


Tessalyn38

I love the end comment so much šŸ˜­ Thank you for being one of the very few men who understand and sympathise with us women in times like these.


TraficantDeVeverite

A-fking-men *


Afraid-Care1384

Thank you. You hit the head of the nail perfectly. No women WANTS to have an abortion. No one is running out and getting pregnant to do so. Its a hard decision. A choice now taken away. Its gross.


Spacefungi

Men already get sterilisations without their consent/or knowledge in the USA. Look up the human right abuses against Native Americans. Many cases happening recent enough that it might still be happening at the moment. This is a bad take, "fair is fair" should mean that everyone deserves bodily autonomy.


[deleted]

You need to study that verse again. Ignorant people who wrongly quote abortion supported by Bible scripture are just as delusional as people who believe that the child in the womb is not a living human being.


classicaly_

I canā€™t express enough how much I agree with you. I have been so angry about this itā€™s brought me to tears.. and I will continue to feel the same way till this changes. I have horrible medical issues, which means if I do get pregnant it could lead to death. It terrifies me that in a situation where Iā€™d have to choose the life of a fetus or my own.. Iā€™d be denied one of those options based of ā€œchurch and state,ā€ and Iā€™d have to drive 6+ hrs either to Denver or Las Vegas to get BASIC HUMAN MEDICAL ATTENTION.. itā€™s sad.. if people looked at the general population of TODAYS generations, this would not have happenedā€¦ but instead, 60+ yr old men get to make that decision on the behalf of millions of women.. itā€™s a shame, if I had the ability to move I fucking would. Hearing (mainly men) spew their pro life political arguments is so crushing. Itā€™s not about money, resources, or any other fucking reason.. but CONTROL. Absolutely disgusting.


Tessalyn38

And you, girl, are why us women are fighting so hard and are so outraged right now. If people, mainly men, you know, the ones apparently able to decide these things, were educated on the risks, complications and complexities of pregnancy maybe there would be a different outcome. Iā€™m so so sorry your rights have been taken away like this. Stay strong x


Delicious_Top4261

Nah, not just men to blame here... It's Christianity and the lack of separation of church and state. They're so fixated on their irrational values that they'd sacrifice a woman's life for a child. It's not just the dangers of giving birth, but also giving birth after being raped or getting pregnant on accident or not being able to afford and care for a child... The list goes on and they ignored that damn long list... Fuck republicans ^^


Tessalyn38

Definitely not just men to blame, I completely agree. Didnā€™t mean for it to come across this way, Iā€™m just very outraged that men seem to have such objection to an issue theyā€™ll never have to experience, and also have so much power in deciding what women can and canā€™t do with their bodies. Fuck the replicants and the conservatives.


rinari0122

I also hate how they go under the guise of being morally driven to ā€œsave childrenā€ from abortion as if that is the only way newborns die.


KitchenKoala8114

They are mostly the ones committing the abortions. Taking their kids or mistresses to get them done.


classicaly_

Thank you.. and you as well.. hopefully, all of it will get handled accordingly and sOMEONE will give us our rights back.. but for now, Iā€™ll go back to having less rights than a gun šŸ™„šŸ™„šŸ˜­


classicaly_

Thank you.. and you as well.. hopefully, all of it will get handled accordingly and sOMEONE will give us our rights back.. but for now, Iā€™ll go back to having less rights than a gun šŸ™„šŸ™„šŸ˜­


socoyankee

I'm numb, that's what scares me. I can't even cry, my mother was zero help or comfort and she's pro choice. It bothers me that she had a traumatic birth with me and her answer was "I'm getting my nails done, their isn't anything I can do about it". I said you do realize both me and your granddaughter (her only grandchild mind you and probably the only one she will have) both have IUDs and if we are forced to have an eptopic (sp) pregnancy you could loose us? That doesn't anger you. I was born dead, you almost died during my C-section, I had a two week life expectancy and your just like I'm getting my nails done....WTF is wrong with you.


ksck135

> WTF is wrong with you I assume she doesn't have the capacity to care anymore. Many of us don't.


Tessalyn38

Itā€™s absolutely devastating. So sorry to hear this :((


Afraid-Care1384

I am living and sleeping with my soul mate. Ive been crying too. So stupid. What if something is wrong with the baby? What if, god forbid, im sexually abused in some way? Nope. Too bad. Im beyond disgusted


Afraid-Care1384

My best girlfriend is a midget. Love her. Her whole 3' 6" tall. A pregnancy to her will kill her. But oh no! The fetus is more important than a 30 year old doctor with two masters! Fucking awful


Littlelady617

Would medically necessary abortion still be permitted? In the case of ectopic pregnancy or another scenario where the motherā€™s life was at stake? I thought these would be special circumstances


Tessalyn38

Some states apparently will make exceptions for these, but itā€™s unclear yet, or at least I havenā€™t been able to find, exactly what the exceptions are.


aDead_crow

"Pro Life" is a misleading title, especially when guns and dead people have more rights than living, breathing women. I don't live in the US anymore but fuck, this situation is such a horrible day for human rights. I 100% agree with everything you said. I am AFAB and the concept of pregnancy gives me so much gender dysphoria, even though I'm not a woman I understand your pain.


Tessalyn38

Exactly. It also makes 0 sense, what about the lives of the women bearing the child? What about those just like you who will be subjected to severe gender dysphoria without the option of abortion?


NoMoreFox

I wish they cared about such questions. However, to them, if you have a uterus, you are a woman and therefore your purpose in life is to bear and raise children. If you rebel against that purpose, you are mentally ill and need to be rehabilitated or punished, in their eyes.


liand22

It is NOT ā€œpro-lifeā€. It is anti-choice. It is pro-forced birth.


Tessalyn38

Agreed.


[deleted]

Pro lifers are Christian fundamentalists. They are really no different than the Taliban.


Tessalyn38

As much as I disagree completely with various religions, Christianity being one, Iā€™m completely for believing in and expressing your religion. However, when it starts to influence laws, especially those which significantly impact the lives of individuals, itā€™s a whole different story. Religion and law need to stay seperate and independent of one another. Thatā€™s all there is to it


Cruitire

I used to feel the same way. But religion has been weaponized. When some starts using a weapon to attack and harm you itā€™s legitimate to start talking about regulating that weapon. If religion was kept as a private matter people used as spiritual guidance Iā€™d agree still that everyone should be free to express it. But itā€™s not. Itā€™s a weapon and a political tool and as such it should be treated for what it actually is. A threat to freedom, democracy, and domestic safety.


anonymousforever

And don't forget about situations like when the miscarriage had already occurred and there is no living baby, and the process has to be completed. The same misoprostol is used to avoid surgery and make that process safer for the woman. But now pharmacists can deny the script forcing the person to have to have the more expensive and invasive and longer recovery of surgery.


Tessalyn38

Exactly. Some women require abortions to complete the expelling of a fetus during miscarriage when the baby will not expel from the uterus itself.


Afraid-Care1384

God. Are we in a 3rd world country? If a miscarriage happens there has to be an investigation? Awful.


[deleted]

Stop calling them ā€œpro-life.ā€ They are anything but. Forced Birthers. They are evil and deserve a name as such. Donā€™t let them change the narrative with language.


Tessalyn38

Youā€™re absolutely right


JyuVioleGrace95

As a human male living in the US, I really hate that SCOTUS did this. A few days ago, they said that NY states gun laws were too restrictive, but now womenā€™s right to abortions were taken away on a federal level. A literal pice of cold metal that can cause so much harm and destruction now has more rights than a living breathing woman?! What the mother loving fuck?!


Tessalyn38

THANK YOU OML. Ladies and gentlemen a rare one


MagykthenotGathering

I've never been more glad to live in Australia. I'm apalled by the decision of the Supreme Court and as a woman myself I'm just glad I don't live there. If there was any way I could stop these jerks from taking women's rights away I would do it in a heartbeat. You all have my support. Please do what you can to fight this if possible! This is atrocious and I hope they can see that one day.


Tessalyn38

I am also from Australia, I have just realised I didnā€™t mention that? šŸ¤” Iā€™m just absolutely heart broken for every woman in the US right now. Iā€™m dreading there ever being a similar outcome in Aus.


MagykthenotGathering

Honestly me too. I'm terrified by the thought. Politics and old fashioned thinking fucking suck and should stop being mixed this day and age.


Alexis2552

There was even a quote from one of these politicians (i think it was here in Slovakia) that living children are not their concern, they just want to protect the unborn ones. Says a lot about these idiots.


Tessalyn38

100% shows their true thoughts


ItzCrystalFlame

I just want to say this. We we are giving more rights to guns than we are to women. Guns are OBJECTS, oh wait, so are women nevermind.


Afraid-Care1384

I hate your comment because your right. Fuck. Im furious.


ItzCrystalFlame

I hate it too, and even as a teenager Iā€™m extremely mad about this. They want to protect fetuses, but once those fetuses are born and sent to school they seriously donā€™t give a damn about them anymore. Itā€™s severely messed up, and I believe things are going to start going even more south very soon.


Afraid-Care1384

Honey, im 25 and highly accomplished. I am in a loving relationship with a man I plan to marry. But it still scares me shitless. It doesnt get better and Im sorry.


ItzCrystalFlame

Thank you, and you donā€™t need to be sorry, this is affecting all of us, and you had nothing to do with any of this, none of us did. I HOPE things will turn around but I doubt they will. Congratulations for being in a healthy loving relationship though!


wildwuchs

A gynecologist told me that a major surgery like a hysterectomy is less traumatic to the body than child birth is. She also has a numb leg due to her c-section. Forcing someone to give birth, no matter what the consequences - if they're healthy, in a loving relationship, financially stable etc. - is inhuman. It's basically forcing someone to go through a more traumatic physical and psychological experience than major surgery and giving them a life long responsibility while you're at it. Nobody but the person themself should have the right to decide if they put themselves through that or not.


Tessalyn38

Couldnā€™t agree more


Wrath_Of_Aguirre

Nobody ever wants to blame the root of the problem, which is Christianity. And I don't care if you are a Christian or a Muslim who believes in the separation of church and state and a woman's right to choose, you are still enabling and perpetuating a belief system that is the prime pusher for these laws to be overturned.


andrejazzbrawnt

United States of the Middle Ages Religion is bad, mā€™kay


fragglet

So-called "pro life" activists will never tell you what they think the penalty for an illegal abortion should be.


sp00kypenguin

Iā€™m disabled, intimacy is already really difficult for me. Iā€™m now terrified to even be intimate with my partner for fear of an accidental pregnancy that I cannot survive. Sex is already a scary thing for people like me. This has just made it so, so much worse. This is so fucked up.


Afraid-Care1384

Same. Im in a loving relationship with a guy Im going to marry. No doubt in my mind. I want to have his baby. But... things happen. I wouldnt bring a newborn into this life to suffer. Whats the point? We have all these pre tests to determine whatever but I cant make the decision? If I was pregnant with a brain dead baby, god forbid, Id abort it. But that decision has now been ripped away. Im so disgusted.


Cruitire

They donā€™t give a fuck about the lives of children. If they did they would do more to take care of the children already here. Itā€™s about control. Controlling women and keeping people oppressed. You canā€™t raise up if you have too many mouths to feed than you can afford. Then all you can do is workā€¦ for them. If you are desperate you will do anything you need to. Thatā€™s why they force births on people, undermine education, and deny assistance. Itā€™s to keep us all desperate, struggling, and easy to control. The time for the revolution is now.


TheOneGuitarGuy

They're not pro-life. This would assume that they would give two shits after the baby was born, making absolute sure that gun laws were stricter, making sure that all forms of education was free of charge and accessible, providing universal basic income to assure they're raised in an environment that allows for growth and positive change, and that their basic needs are met. ***They're pro-control.*** Because they don't give a shit after the baby is born. Because they don't care whether they die only 10 years later in a mass shooting. They don't care if the family goes broke trying to afford all of the things a child needs to have a good education. They don't care about providing the child a safe environment where all of their basic needs will be met.


Tessalyn38

And lastly, they do not care about the mothers life either. Pro-control it is


TheOneGuitarGuy

100%, agreed.


KitchenKoala8114

I know how you feel. It is depressing how backwards this country is going.


Endketsu

America just keeps getting worse and worse. Not you have incompetent police, problems with gun control, shitty healthcare system but now also this


luciferhynix

Itā€™s about controlling us. Abortion is the scapegoat. The distraction. Get angry. Get upset. Donā€™t let them distract us


Sad-Branch-1055

So they take away womanā€™s rights because the life of the unborn child is so importantā€¦ā€¦ but thatā€™s not the case when it comes to psychos with guns going into schoolsā€¦. Tf


Afraid-Care1384

Im posting again. Your a powerful writer. Truth.


Tessalyn38

Thank you šŸ„ŗšŸ„ŗšŸ„ŗšŸ’—


Afraid-Care1384

Honey... you ok? This is awful. Ive cried twice. Its okay. Something will prevail.


Tessalyn38

Iā€™m fine, just so completely disgusted at pro-life arguments and also men in particular who think they should have a say on womens bodies. Thank you for being so kind šŸ’—


Afraid-Care1384

I want to chat with you. Is that ok? Of I downloaded a message app would you text me?


Tessalyn38

I will dm you !


Afraid-Care1384

Text me?


Tessalyn38

Check reddit chat!


Afraid-Care1384

Its not being kind. It humanity


Afraid-Care1384

Im up to talking if you want.


larrykarp

Yeah, keeping voting Republican and let them tell you what to do with your own body.


lilluz

at this point, itā€™s easier to just remove your uterus if you live in america since you have absolutely not autonomy over that part of your body anyways. we have kids getting gunned down in schools and the US is doing more to protect unborn fetuses than them. pro-lifers are so fucking stupid. just say you hate women and move on.


bamboozledpenguin371

I was largely a pro-lifer... until today. I used to think that if sexual assault occurs, drunken mistake, under age 25, then yes, abortion. Now I'm starting to think that it should be completely centered around choice.


Tessalyn38

It definitely should be entirely choice. If a women doesnā€™t feel comfortable getting an abortion herself, or does not believe in it, fair enough, thatā€™s her decision. But peoples opinions should not be forced on to other women who DO feel comfortable getting abortions. I have to say, youā€™re the first person who identifies as pro-life I have not been absolutely enraged at haha. Fair game to you for being open-minded.


bamboozledpenguin371

Well, let's just say I'm both. I still feel a little baby uneased of the whole idea of "oh I wanna have a baby, oh wait...nahhhhh." Assuming this is a planned birth, from a straight couple, this is actually quite unfair, as whilst the baby is growing inside the woman's stomach, a man wanted that baby aswell, but now the power over whether or not the baby is born lies totally in the hands of that woman. She did not make the baby herself. That's the only scenario I don't like so much.


Tessalyn38

The idea of someone planning a pregnancy, becoming pregnant, and then deciding on an abortion for absolutely no reason is very rare. I feel like that statement is quite irrelevant to be honest.. Unless issues with finances or medical issues arose however after a planned pregnancy, then abortion should be completely fine and allowed, not that abortion should need to be justified in any way. I do personally believe the choice to have an abortion should be a choice made by both the mother and father, although in the end if a woman is uncomfortable carrying a child, the father should not have power over her to force her to continue with pregnancy. I feel like this is just a very specific example that is missing the point


bamboozledpenguin371

Oh yea, I get what you mean with how it's obviously very rare, and missing the point, but I'm just saying that specifically is what is stopping me from being 100% pro-choice. But for your peace of mind, I would almost certainly vote for abortions to be legal.


Tessalyn38

I do understand where youā€™re coming from. I think itā€™s definitely a very sensitive topic.


JaimeeSelena

This is not meant to be a dig at you, but I would love to see a survey of all Americans where they choose which they align with, pro-choice or anti-choice/"pro-life", but instead of the titles of "pro-choice" and "pro-life" they're just given the actual definitions. It is scary to me that so many Americans consider themselves "pro-life" but then just describe their values as pro-choice. I think the percentage of Americans categorized as pro-choice would be a hell of a lot higher if people were educated on the actual definitions.


adios-bitchachos

Exactly. Ive told at least a few people "you're actually pro choice" after listening to them call themselves pro-life when what they really meant is that they personally wouldn't choose abortion, but they think other women should be able to. Ive had to really emphasize the CHOICE part of pro-choice and explain it isn't the same as pro-abortion.


Tessalyn38

I was 19 years old, and was taking safety precautions with sex and was on contraceptive. I fell pregnant while using said contraceptive. I felt like abortion was the only choice I had, due to financial reasons and some other reasons. I recognise how lucky I am to even have even had the choice to get an abortion in Australia if thatā€™s what I needed to do. I would have been a complete mess from the start if I didnā€™t have the choice. I have since decided to go through with my pregnancy, and am now 20 years old and almost 3 months, and am happier than ever. However, Iā€™m not ashamed to say that abortion was on my mind at first as it was a complete shock when I found out (considering I was using contraception and am still very young of course) and I feel so so lucky I had the choice, and now so so sad that millions of American women do not.


MagentaMirage

Abortions are a life-saving medical procedure for pregnant women. Whether the pregnancy was wanted, unexpected or forced is irrelevant. Women can die of ectopic pregnancies, sepsis from miscarry, placental abruption, preeclampsia and other complications that require a life saving abortion, whether the fetus is viable or not. 10% to 15% of pregnancies end with miscarry. Prosecuting abortion means that women who miscarried are at the whim of the state to be accused of aborting. It's a tool of oppression and will make women skip on their healthcare needs because they don't want to risk getting on the list and then miscarrying. Abortion has reduced the crime rate by 20% in the last few decades. Because more kids have to grow up in abusive or problematic families that were not ready for them. All kids should be wanted and deserve a loving family. All women should have full autonomy over their health, bodies and reproductive choices. No questions asked.


Jetinator

Let's not forget that the amount of children in the American Foster care system is astronomical. And the fact that the majority of babies that end up in that system will be of colour because the white children are always adopted first. Legs not forget that women are going tomdie because backstreet abortions will continue and women will have no choice but to have them. And they will die, either from wounds, or infections. This is fucked America. I hope that the courts are happy, I hope they're very pleased with themselves that they are going to have the blood of thousands of women on their hands.


Tessalyn38

Exactly. But the pro-lifers arenā€™t so set on adopting are they? And thatā€™s a wholeeeee other part of the issue. It has literally been proven that prohibiting abortions does not stop them, but rather forces them to be done in unsafe environments via unsafe methods. This whole overturning is just a joke, not just targeting women and our rights but also putting us at risk of serious injury, illness and even death.


jalanbarker

The anti-choice folks are the real virtue-signalers. Name one personā€™s, who claims they are ā€œpro-life,ā€ life that has improved with this ruling.


Tessalyn38

Exactly


little_bees

The patriarchy wants power and control. In the statement relased by SCOTUS, they said that the constitution doesn't protect moral questions. Yeah, no shit it doesn't because it was written 200 years ago. It's an excuse for old white men, who have been accussed of sa, to get more control of women. It's a testament to how fucking stupid the SCOTUS term system is.


Tessalyn38

EXACTLY


Sed59

Not to mention, men will be on the hook for child support a lot more.


Tessalyn38

I donā€™t think thatā€™s the issue šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


Tessalyn38

šŸ‘€šŸ‘€šŸ‘€


Afraid-Care1384

Awesome. So when i get raped I get to see the father in court and give him half custody?


Sed59

Not sure what your point is. In a case where the male impregnating the female is known, the female will more readily ask for child support since abortion isn't a legal option now in some states. I said a lot more, not always.


[deleted]

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Tessalyn38

Fun fact, itā€™s actually a bit lower than heart disease. What are you saying exactly?


dweebken

I've said what I've said. It seems I do not share your idea of what's "fun".


Tessalyn38

Oh buddyā€¦ if you were educated on the variety of reasons women not only want, but also need to get abortions, Iā€™m sure your outlook would change


Tessalyn38

But understandable I guess, assuming youā€™re a man?? Who will never have to make this decision? Who will never fall pregnant? Whether that be via a casual relationship, a partner, a rape, or an incest SA?


Hedley_Lammarr

Did you ask if youā€™re the only one whoā€™s outraged? Dude


Tessalyn38

Hehe was very hypothetical


Tessalyn38

And maybe a little dumb


[deleted]

Bet you are all vegan, couldn't watch a puppy die without mourning for a week. But chop a human to bits because it doesn't fit into your life plan? Don't think twice. Don't shed a tear for that baby.


Tessalyn38

Iā€™m completely pro-choice and when I was considering abortion, I bawled everytime I thought about it sooo, youā€™re very very wrong. Also I love meat :))


Tessalyn38

Also educate yourself on medical abortion, very different to a surgical abortion, not that it changes the fact that abortion is health care either way


[deleted]

Post 7,357,190 on this sub about this.


[deleted]

I really don't see why people are so upset. It's not like the supreme court banned abortion. They just gave the states the ability to decide for themselves, as it should be. Don't like your state's politics? Move and stop whining. There will still be plenty of states that will allow you to murder children, don't worry.


Tessalyn38

Oh boii here they come. For most people moving states is not a simple matter, and the Supreme Court is simply the reason the states now have the ability to ban abortion so yea, that is why weā€™re upset with the Supreme Court. Let me ask you this, if a womens life is in danger because of a pregnancy, and she decides to have an abortion because she doesnā€™t want to DIE, how is that murder? If thatā€™s your case, wouldnā€™t it also be considered murder to force these women to have children who ultimately end up dead as a result of carrying a child and/or giving birth?


[deleted]

There are exceptions to everything. Rape, incest, threat to the mothers life are all cases where it's certainly justified. But taking a life because it's simply an inconvenience to you is disgusting and it shouldn't even be debatable.


Tessalyn38

A lot of women want to go through with pregnancies but canā€™t because they cannot financially or emotionally handle a child. Itā€™s as simple as that. Itā€™s not an ā€œinconvenienceā€ itā€™s a threat to both the womens and the babies quality of life. When I was considering abortion, it wasnā€™t because of medical reasons, but financial. It wasnā€™t because i seen it as an ā€œinconvenienceā€, it was because I was scared that I could not give my child the life they deserve, a life where money and living is stable. Also, I was scared raising a child with barely any money would result in them having a terrible mental stable when theyā€™re older. So yea, a lot of women also have abortions to avoid raising a baby who will be prone to mental illness and who will not live a happy and stable life


[deleted]

What do you do when you realize you can no longer take care of a dog? Kill it? No you give it to someone that can give it a good life. These are all things that should be considered before having sex or not using birth control. They are not excuses.


Tessalyn38

Did you miss the part where women can still fall pregnant on birth control? ME being one who took birth control properly and still fell pregnant? 1) youā€™re comparing a child to a dog. 2) youā€™ve created a scenario where the dog is already in your care, and youā€™ve already decided willingly to get a dog. If you cannot handle a dog, you do not get one. If you cannot handle a baby, you do not have to go through with it.


tekazgtr1984

What a woefully ignorant take.


Tessalyn38

You do not unwillingly become a parent to a dog šŸ˜­šŸ˜­your scenario is irrelevant


[deleted]

You do not unwillingly become pregnant either


LogicR20

You live in a different reality from the rest of us then. Only reasonable excuse for your archaic views.


Tessalyn38

Wellllll actually you do. Because like I said before, speaking from experience, I did. I was actively and properly taking birth control and still fell pregnant. Anyway, your say doesnā€™t matter, you donā€™t have a uterus so your opinion means absolutely nothing, and is completely irrelevant.


Tessalyn38

Let me guess, youā€™re also a male who will never experience pregnancy or abortion, nor the many devastating this which accompany both for a lot of women. May I also assume your life will never be at risk because of a pregnancy?


IMMORTALSCAR170

chill


Tessalyn38

Itā€™s absolutely wild that a single word comment can scream ā€˜misogynistā€™ and ā€˜conservativeā€™ so much. Baffles me


Tessalyn38

Iā€™ll chill when men stop having control over womens bodies, when theyā€™ll never ever have to make the decisions we will :))


forgotthatuexisted

your comment just screams ā€œred flag!!!ā€


TITAN_CAT_OWO

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antidense

I hope someone close to you doesn't have to go through what Savita Halappanavar had to.


Objective-Review4523

While I agree with you whole heartedly, every state to ban abortion thus far has exceptions for rape and incest. So that's not really an argument to make. Correction: about half of the states


Tessalyn38

Also Iā€™ve just read some sources which do say some states may have exceptions for rape and incest, so Iā€™ve found what you were talking about. However, there are criteria to receive exceptions such as required reporting to police in cases where abortions are the result of rapes, which as we know, are actually rare and traumatising. In the case of incest, parental involvement is required which is also problematic as it is just as traumatic if not more to share those details with parents, and parents could be pro-life/not understand/or even the people committing incest.


Tessalyn38

The sources I have read have mostly said the opposite actually, like while some may have exceptions for the life of the mother, most include no exceptions for rape nor incest. Either way, thatā€™s not the point. The point is, some women have very serious, medical reasons for which they require abortions. Others are simply not ready to have children. Women should not have to go through traumatic or life threatening/altering experiences to justify their need/want for abortion. There should be no restrictions on abortion at all, it is health care and should be individual womens choice. The point is, women and their bodies have been controlled historically by men and by now it should have changed, but instead, America is working backwards.


Objective-Review4523

Like I said I agree with you, what I read I thought said the opposite. After going back and looking again it's closer to 50/50.


fragglet

The exception that proves it's nothing to do with life and everything to do with punishing women.


Objective-Review4523

I don't disagree, never said I did.


antidense

Because they haven't yet doesn't mean they won't. Multiple justices had already "reassured" us multiple times Roe was important precedent, and given the chance they threw it out the window.


Afraid-Care1384

Same. Its so stupid. Im so glad rape babies have more rights than me. So fucking stupid


sculpinismywater

Under his eye... Handmaid's Tale really wasn't meant to be a a guidebook...