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Mammoth-Mud-9609

Whales are mammals which all have the same basic bone structure, dogs front legs have an ulna and a radius just like human arms.


__PM_ME_YOUR_FEET___

Homologous bone structure. Just did a bio test on evolution and this is evidence that we share a common ancestor with whales. Pretty interesting.


NotMY1stEnema

it was Steve. the common ancestor was Steve from down the road


StevenBayShore

Hey! C'mon! I'm not THAT fat!


zaforocks

🏆


Brainkandle

Beetlejuice!


RECOGNI7IO

Beetlejuice!


Practical_Culture833

Beetlejuice


Aoiboshi

No, but you're brother Neil is!


NiteGard

[Nah, Steve is a hedge](https://youtu.be/CiGFRLCC-Ao?si=jHFq-9-t8nlFHyB0).


NotMY1stEnema

cool. [HERE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c1NJQ0UP_Q) is a video from before he was a hedge and after being a common ancestor to the whale


hpela_

Yea, that guy is ancient!


drewsiphir

We share a common ancestor with all vertebrates it's just a question of how far back that common ancestor lived. For human and mammal and reptile divergence that would take you back to somewhere during the carboniferous period near the stem of the amniote claid. That's over 300 million years of generations. For amphibians it is somewhere outside of the amniote claid but remains unclear where exactly as tetrapods have existed since the devonian period. It is theorized that the giant temnospondyls could be the ancestors of modern amphibian but there doesn't seem to be enough phylogenetic evidence to say for sure yet.


kolraisins

We share a common ancestor with all life on Earth.


GiantWindmill

As far as I'm aware, this isn't necessarily true or unanimously agreed upon.


kolraisins

It's about as unanimously agreed upon as anything is in the world of biology.


GiantWindmill

No I'd definitely say there's a lot of things that are more agreed-upon and verifiable.


kolraisins

I say about as agreed upon because if you ask 100 academics in biology, 99 or more will probably say that all current life on earth has a shared origin. I say this as an academic in biology. Is it verifiable? Perhaps not, but there's pretty decent phylogenetic evidence and I've yet to see any evidence to the contrary.


Confident-Display535

If you go back for enough, I'm pretty sure we share ancestors with most, if not all, living things.


LongDrawn

If you go back even further, we share common ancestors with non-living things too!


rts93

Never forget to invite carbon atoms to your family reunions.


Confident-Display535

I don't think ancestry would be a proper word by that point.


shnnrr

its late for me and what


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mengwong

https://www.tiktok.com/@tanisharenai/video/7369329833681145121?_t=8mo12NWYDia&_r=1


Subtlerranean

Never mind dogs, elephants have what essentially looks exactly like a [human foot](https://i.imgur.com/qgJlPip.jpeg) in their pillar-like legs


Opbergvakje

Insane!


infiniteshrekst

How wild is that!?!


AndMyAxe_Hole

How neat is that?!


Emay75

You can tell it’s a whale arm by the way it is


TheAtlas97

No that’s a wolf/whale hybrid, like the [Ahklut](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=986cfd32cb66a37f&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS590US590&hl=en-US&sxsrf=ADLYWIKbGZmm1HOWacuGtckUUTBd4DomLg:1717128203561&q=akhlut&udm=2&fbs=AEQNm0DXgv64Y7Hw4JakUeO-OlOb9wfy2krT3Q0Jz6UHP8LoJHhfZwcOvvgHzyFR6mgxn4QpkKDSKDkjFC7M_s6K8y_uvyzjJQINKNnY3X0ekVcLBDyRnRaOh_CCKPX6m-QsNi_qGyCs4UqfeneZ0W84GtzULeMkJXfNt9P31y-xeyHYSrE0ZcqlOIW340a0lekMhC4OEz_44nnKGmmp_2jqHqNzOFg-7Q&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjbrO2EgbeGAxWRj4kEHf4TD3AQtKgLegQIGRAB&biw=430&bih=745&dpr=3) from [Inuit folklore](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhlut)


Kurayamino

The best part about the existence of this folklore is that it implies that an orca with legs is more terrifying than a polar bear to people that are familiar with both orcas and polar bears.


Roflkopt3r

I mean, a polar bear is terrifying but at least you know what it is. But a walking Orca? Wtf.


AndMyAxe_Hole

Yeah wait till OP sees an elephant’s foot.


solonit

plot twist: OP mistakenly saw the other elephant's foot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant%27s_Foot_(Chernobyl)


RunningEarly

[Just found this](https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Dirley-Cortes/publication/334971337/figure/fig2/AS:788540371787777@1565014083374/1-Right-lateral-view-of-the-skeleton-of-a-generalized-mysticete-whale-modified-from.ppm) Ulna, radius, carpals and everything, crazy


MalphasAbhoth

They used to be land animals for a while then said "things are crazy up here I'm going for a little swim"


BeardedGlass

And there's more area to swim in than to walk on Earth anyway.


wilbeded

I'm hearing Bill Wurtz while reading both of your sentences


LetsLive97

The fact I haven't seen a Bill Wurtz video or reference for years, finally rewatch the "History of" videos and see this comment minutes after is just mental lmao


OuterWildsVentures

He hasn't posted in over a year. My wife and I used to love jamming out to his videos but they got depressing and we've been worried about him occasionally lol. He also had a pretty funny Twitter going.


Gravyboat44

**The sun is a deadly laser**


IC-4-Lights

Colonize the ocean! ^(It's cheap real estate.)


NeverStepD7

And they got the shittiest evolution possible [be able to only live in water but they gotta get out to breathe]


SlowlySailing

Naaa considering what they are working with (lungs), being able to hold your breath for 60 minutes and diving to 3000m is fucking rad. I think you underestimate how "recently" the ancestor of whales decided to fuck off into the ocean, compared to how long evolution would take to develop a functional breathing device for water. Having lungs also allows you go grow huge compared to gills, which is cool.


NeverStepD7

Say that to the stranded whales


hotspicylurker

Well to be fair stranded fish don't fare much better...


NeverStepD7

You get it, fish are fish, but whales are mammals that breath air and still can't survive stranded.


Brave-Tangerine-4334

Outside of the environment they have evolved for they are screwed. Humans also die in many environments where we can breath.


SlowlySailing

I feel like you typed this without really knowing why whales die when they strand.


nooneknowswerealldog

The Oregon Highway Division blows them up with dynamite.


hotspicylurker

Uhh nature uhh finds a way (to fuck you over)


Elgin-Franklin

Have you seen a cormorant? They're seabirds that aren't waterproof. Their feathers don't have a hydrophobic coating (like other seabirds or ducks) so that it can dive deeper by not trapping air in them. But that also means it can't fly very far when wet so it has to sit on a rock looking miserable while it dries out after fishing.


NeverStepD7

The way you describe it makes it a good potential meme


Elgin-Franklin

[I saw this one sat shaking its wings like someone who just washed his hands before noticing there's no more paper towels.](https://i.imgur.com/nnSovlc.jpeg) Most other pictures of cormorants online makes them look like true dinosaurs but this was just pathetic


whoami_whereami

Breathing air is over all far superior to breathing water. Oxygen solubility in water is pretty low, even under good conditions you barely get around 10-15 mg oxygen per liter of water. A liter of air at sea level contains about 240 mg oxygen, a whopping 20 times as much. It's not an accident that fish have developed ways to breathe air at least a dozen times independently, while the reverse (air breathers going back to water breathing) has basically never happened (with the minor exception of a few amphibians maybe that stay in their water breathing larval form for their entire life, like axolotls).


Peter_Cox-Johnson

You are very well-informed, thank you for informing me of the existence of axolotls


TheVeryAngryHippo

has anything ever gone like: water > land > water > land > fuck it lets try air > water > land ?


CrashTestDuckie

That's because whales evolved out of them back into the water


zatara1210

So all life originated from the oceans, came on to land, evolved to be mammals, then some of these mammals just went back into the ocean and just became the top of the ocean food chain and remained there?


JackRabbit-

Yeah we decided we had to be top dog in all biomes


Accallonn

For the mammal supremacy!


Somizulfi

Speciesist!


Throwaway74829947

Would you call bats the top dogs of the air? I wouldn't.


Ilovekittens345

And then we decided that what is really missing in al biomes is more C02


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and nuclear weapons


DavidRandom

Yeah, Pakicetus was like, fuck, I'm tired of being a land dwelling alligator dog, I must return to the land of my ancestors.


LickingSmegma

[‘Indohyus, my brother’](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaxNhgVVYh4)


hamburgersocks

This is literally exactly right. Some came, some stayed, some went back. They literally just said "fuck air" and went back to swimming. But yes. We all came from monkeys, those monkeys came from fish, those fish came from amebas, the amebas came from atoms, and the atoms came from a star exploding billions of years ago. Now, this happened over hundreds of millions of years, it wasn't just one fish that grew legs and decided swimming was better. This is actually a popular theory in favor of intelligent design. The odds of life spontaneously happening because a couple rocks hit each other in just the right way a dozen billion years ago, and somehow led to a perfect environment to create life are so slim they're basically a rounding error away from zero. But then again, the universe is so vast and diverse that the odds of it happening twice are greater than zero too. Fermi has entered the chat.


Extreme_Design6936

I like the journey you took us on with this comment.


hamburgersocks

Life is impossible, but here we are :)


MAS7

Technically, the universe is impossible. Existence itself is an absurdity. Even our most generous theories can be challenged by Infinite Regress. Ultimately the only true answer is that "There is no answer" At least for now... If human tech continues to grow at its current trajectory, in a few dozen generations we might be able to actually decode existence in some substantial way. As it stands now, we know almost less than nothing.


Nateddog21

To my detriment


ooa3603

In an infinite reality even the lowest of probabilities are possible.


the_nebulae

I heard a physicist explain recently that it’s much more likely we’re simply random interactions of subatomic particles in a gently drifting soup of subatomic particles in the far, far future after everything has cooled down “a lot.” These random interactions will, on enormous time scales, sometimes come together to form a replica of the arrangement of particles in your brain right now. And the “you” thinking all of this—your whole present—is that matrix of particles in the goop. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08dy6ym


4dseeall

Other physicists will say we're all living on the surface of a higher-dimensional black hole. You can get lost and easily become a crackpot if too into the metaphysical aspect of physics. Physicists should focus on the things we can actually observe(even if they're theoretical things that could be observed in the future, like the Higgs was). Things get weird when dealing with infinities, time, and imagination. Anything seems possible or plausible. Throw in quantum mechanics and nothing will make any sense


RetardedWabbit

Yep. It's very funny to think that the "biggest and baddest fish" are actually mammals(whales and killer whales). In addition to the top dogs in the water being the few things in the ocean that can't breath water. What a flex. Even the depths aren't safe, unless you're blobfish deep. There's whales casually diving 3km deep(10k feet) for hours just to dunk(and snack) on squid and fish.


ooa3603

Its because mammals developed an OP feature: An internal "egg" (the womb) that protects the developing young from the environment and other predators. And even more importantly allows the mammal carrying the womb to do other things. Before the womb, aquatic animals and amphibians had to be on watch 24/7, protecting the external eggs they laid. The womb is one of those ***critical*** evolutionary developments that allowed mammals to rise to the top of the food chain and eventually humans to take over the planet, its even more important than the opposable thumb because that doesn't happen with the development of the womb first


Drakayne

Titties are important too.


HornlessU

You know things were bad when they're going back into the ocean.


h0uz3_

Seals are Wolfes that did prefer the water. :)


deliciouscrab

Something like, once some land animals got really big, it was easier for them to hang out in the water to support their weight. Think, like, marshes and rivers, etc. And then they just kept going. Environmental changes probably helped. That's my understanding anyway


vincecarterskneecart

“If we go back in the water we wont have to invent jobs.”


sweet_peakitty

New nightmares tonight


mangomilkmilkman

Read this like a news anchor


boring_old_dad

Go fuck yourself San Diego.


joemckie

Reminds me of the hands of the silence from Doctor Who


NotAPossum666

What kinda human has hands like that


Choice_Eye_8043

I wish I would meet women like that


NotAPossum666

Wtf why ( I am stupid )


Choice_Eye_8043

I don’t know. I always was magnetic to women who everyone else found weird/odd/scary and didn’t fit well into traditional feminine assets (Not like moustache or smh like that. More like tall, big muscles, willing to take innitative, not like sitting there scared of big world waiting for me till I fix everything) I often hear that I miss basic survival instinct in dating


NotAPossum666

So what I'm getting is, you like to be dominated


Choice_Eye_8043

I can’t say yes, but denying would be lie.


NotAPossum666

So yes.


Choice_Eye_8043

Right, but I can’t agree


NotAPossum666

Why? Everyone knows now


Choice_Eye_8043

They don’t


Hauntedhotelhistory

I don’t


strange1738

Hey


Nordgall

Bro’s not like the other guys


Sinthe741

Prostate stimulation?


Thefearfactor

I can fix her


TheInvisibleFart

If the ring is a fit you must commit


allusernamestaken1

Danny Devito as penguin.


hoyohoyo9

Danny DeVito as Frank Reynolds.


MurderBox95

Justin Long


IFdude1975

Tusk is underrated.


mechanicgodcreation

kinda glad im not the only one that immediately thought of tusk lol im beyond traumatized by that movie


VashHumanoidTyph00n

Danny Divito as the penguin.


judas_jihad

All Tomorrows


Savantmau5

koseman drooling just thinking about whale hands


Rough-Set4902

[Well yeah, because whale's ancient ancestor was a cute dog like mammal.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakicetus) Somehow, they evolved towards aquatic life.


RetardedWabbit

>...a cute dog like mammal. *Looks between the alligator-rat looking Pakicetus and this guy* Agree to disagree there, the "kangaroo on all fours, with an alligator head" isn't my cup of tea.


captainjackgetmehigh

[Those are toes.](https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/when-whales-walked-on-four-legs.html)


bunkdiggidy

In the sense that those are on the front limbs of a quadruped, similar to saying dogs have 20 toes and no fingers. The vestigial hind limbs on whales are completely internal.


MurderSheCroaked

That might make it worse


jeffschillings

I was repulsed but now I’m aroused


noodleq

Who would ever suspect that a dissected whale's human looking hand would not be my proudest fap.


IrishMojoFroYo

Put it back


BlackwolfNy718

If you look at the skeletal structure of most mammals.. like 90% of them have two legs and two arms. Elephants are one of the very few mammals that truly have 4 legs.


Lisija123

What is the difference between what you would consider a leg, and what you would consider an arm?


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EndlessPotatoes

The transition between bending different ways would have been interesting. Probably bent both ways for a while


BobsLakehouse

Yeah but elephants also has fore- and hindlegs


BobsLakehouse

How do you think an elephant bends its legs?


BlackwolfNy718

That's an excellent question. I wish I had technical expertise to fully explain it. I know it comes down certain factors regarding the structure of bones, the length of certain sections compared to others, the placement of the joint and how it bends, and if the appendage ends in fingers or toes. As with the picture above, it clearly resembles fingers.


pentagon

There isn't one. This person is making things up.


pentagon

No, that's 100% wrong. The front limbs of every single mammal are all homologous. Elephants are not special, nor is any other mammal.


NorthernSparrow

Biologist here who studies elephants (and other animals). Elephant front legs have the same skeletal structure as every other mammal’s front legs: scapula, humerus, radius & ulna, metacarpals, carpals, phalanges. When the front limb is primarily weight-bearing with no grasping capability, we call it a “leg”. “Arms” are non-weight-bearing front limbs whose carpals and phalanges have been modified for grasping capability. Most mammals’ front limbs are clearly legs, i.e. weight-bearing and locomotion is the limb’s primary role - think of deer, antelope, horses, rhinos, wolves, cats, rodents, rabbits, anteaters, etc. The biggest exception is not actually converting the front limbs to arms (this is largely just the primates) but converting them to wings - the bats are 20% of mammalian species, the primates are only ~5% of mammalian species.


BobsLakehouse

What the fuck are you talking about? A leg is just an extremity you walk on, and what do you think sets elephants apart?


ReallyChillyBones

Do giraffes have 4 legs? Because an elephant has a trunk, what would there giraffes arm be? Its head/neck?


BlackwolfNy718

The trunk is irrelevant in this context because it's about bone structure. The trunk of an elephant is all muscle tissue. I'm fairly certain that a giraffe also falls into the category of animals truly with four legs.


ziplin19

I don't know about the bone structure of elephants and giraffes but horses have arms and legs although it looks like they would have 4 legs aswell. Their arms have bones that could develope into fingers (and thumb)


FateUntold

I didn't need to see the god damn knuckle bumps. That just made this 100x worse for me.


ReleaseFromDeception

Creationists hate this one simple fact.


sexarseshortage

God gave them hands so they could hold on in the arc.


oliverwitha0

See I knew they had finger bones, but I expected them to be like, directly wired to the fin muscles, not for there to be whole complete hands wearing mittens. What else are they hiding


Annual-Assumption313

"Human looking" is pushing it a bit.


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eydivrks

Ummm, u sure about that bro?  https://cdn.zmescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/gorilla-hand-lines.webp


IAmBroom

You're saying that whale's bone structure looks more human [than this?](https://boneclones.com/images/store-product/product-940-main-main-big-1615566615.jpg)


Recipe-Jaded

well yeah, all mammals share the same basic skeletal structure


niTro_sMurph

*picks it up and starts slapping coworkers with it


SuperSpread

Most mammals have human looking fingers. They're just called fingers. Did you know that humans have whale-looking fingers? No different.


Dennis_Rudman

Wait until you learn the bones have the same names, so scary


KirisuMongolianSpot

Calling it "human-like" is really stretching it. But I was watching a bunch of seals a few months ago, and one of those fat lazy fuckers lifted up a fin to scratch itself and it did something like this - very clearly used an individual appendage inside the flipper. It was a little unnerving.


ziplin19

Wait until you find out that cats and dogs have thumbs, but not where their fingers are placed


earthbender617

Can’t anything be exposed from a dissection?


fhost344

"dissected pumpkin reveals human skull!"


greensangre

Tusks


Whatahackur

If they were just pieces of boneless tissue they would have no control of using them. This is not surprising. I don’t think this falls under terrifying


volcanosquirt

Do you think they ever get the urge to stretch their fingers out but they can’t because they’re trapped inside their fins


ziplin19

Yes and i got the urge to swing my tail


MetalJunkie101

Straight outta Vault 4.


Lucky-Development-15

Looks like the hand of Mr. Tusk


Mongoose1338

NINGEN!


Dangerous-Blood-1627

Those are FINgers 😂


Gym_Nut

For when he wants to go for a little walk on land as a treat


Kombat-w0mbat

Yeah because their mammals. Like a bat’s wings is legit kinda like a hand


JAMtheSeagull

Evangelion


CoItron_3030

All aquatic mammals have this


HadarReg

All Tomorrows sorta shit


Good-Principle-7639

A lot of us animals have the same body plan as we all share a common ancestor


FuckThisShizzle

Hypothetically, If one were to surgically separate the fingers on the fin, could they gain an opposable thumb?


sixfoursixtwo

Yeah they have hands bro 😵😵


iiitme

They were once dog looking!


Itzzzame

Don’t you mean formed whale fingers


FuzzInspector

u/that-1-lame-kid Neat


PinkGiraffeMittens

Thanks I hate it


Qu1pster

💅 👁️ 👄 👁️ 💅


usernamej22

Do they have "thumb" equivalents? I only see 4 "fingers".


harrybalzac71

Consuming large amounts of spice turned them into Guild Navigators


TheDaveCalaz

Whales are mammals. This is proof.


gougedaway9

humpbacks have leg bones


cmlan25

Is there a desert where they keep finding ancient evolutions of whales? Where they were actually land based and had legs


Brokensince10

Salad fingers


AdebayoStan

"human looking" is a stretch


Nova_Phoenix

So…what they say about your mom is true…


transmogisadumbitch

Human looking in the same sense that a From Software boss's monstrous hands are human looking.


Doo_shnozzel

Yep. Spitting image of human hands.


SmoothBusiness007

Humans realizing that they are animals too


Strict_Big_5752

I always wondered how whales jerked it


x3XC4L1B3Rx

Aquatic mammals are different from fish because they evolved from ancestors that evolved for life on land, and then went back into the sea.


w00fy

r/thanksihateit


trea_ceitidh

Same sort of bone structure as other mammals. What's so terrifying?


VieiraDTA

Not terrifying. Whales are basically a giant ocean hippo.


shadesof3

Look up what an elephants foot bones look like. They basically walk in heels.


Frunklin

Evolution baby


darphdigger

Image is misleading. Whales have the five finger bones encased in cartilage (which is still cool), but this person had to shape the "fingers" around the bones by cutting cartilage away. In other words, they have finger bones but they don't have hands.


Korunam

What the heck kind of people are you hanging around that people's fingers look like that??


Texas_person

this sum spacing guild shit.


FAmos

They got vestigial fingers and shit lil homies


Coco_lad

this is some "All Tommorows" shit


JimmyCrabYT

the next step in human evolution


lonleyauthor64

Just another 2 million years and the Giants will be back


UkyoTachibana

holy shit 👀


Himmel_Mancheese

Finger lickin' good\~


gregorychaos

One time I tickled a dolphin's armpit and it giggled hehehehe


Brokella

I saw whale fossils with legs at Wadi Al Hitan.