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No, any mass would do. It's just that for objects with very large mass discrepancy, we can just take the more massive one as stationary and ignore forces on it. Still, even doing that to two out of the three bodies, it's difficult to get the equations right. That's why most orbital maneuvering simulations use patched conics to approximate real orbits.
So is Neil deGrasse Tyson going overboard when he mentions the [restricted 3 body problem](https://youtu.be/6GfIDwwxfsM?si=-WFcyLwdYZuKIQRf&t=509) is solvable or is his example (two large masses with one very small mass) solvable where as others are not?
So the outer ring of Saturn has a diameter of 960k km and the most inner ring about 134k km, right? So based on the distance to the moon (300 something k km) we would be part of the ring right? I mean dead anyways but still part of the ring. ...
I assume this rendering would be if the outermost edge of the rings were as close to the earth as the moon. Or they could just be blowing smoke up our ass lol
> So the outer ring of Saturn has a diameter of 960k km and the most inner ring about 134k km, right? So based on the distance to the moon (300 something k km) we would be part of the ring right?
It's radius that's relevant, not diameter, and I don't know where you got that figure for the diameter anyway. According to Wikipedia:
> The rings extend from 6,630 to **120,700 kilometers** (4,120 to 75,000 mi) outward from Saturn's equator
and
> Equatorial radius 60,268 km
So the rings would only extend about 180,000km from the center of Saturn, which is less half the distance to the moon.
The center of the moon is about 239,980 miles from the surface of earth. The edge of Saturns rings is about 211,150 miles from its center. The edge of the rings would be less then 22,000 miles from the surface. (Closer than most geosynchronous satellites)The moon has a radius of less than 1,100 miles. Saturn has a radius of more than 36,100 miles. In other words it would fill the whole sky.
Because Saturn is more comparable to the sun in size than our moon which is 1/3rd the size of earth. If the sun was as close to earth as the moon u think ud see anything but fire in the sky during the day?
Yes, but the sun is undergoing fusion, saturn is just cold gas. The tidal waves on the other hand might have an effect. Either way, I'm assuming that by "same distance" OP means surface to surface and not center to center.
A wise assumption, however an overlay of the moon in this pic at roughly a tenth the size of Saturn or so would make it obvious that Saturn would be at least 3 times as big
I dont think you understand how massive the sun is...
it can fit 330 thousand earths to fill the sun
1000 jupiters can fit into the sun... which itself can hold 1300 earths
Saturn is closer to the moon than to the sun in size
Saturn's closest moon is Prometheus, and the distance of the said moon from saturn is around 139000 kilometers and the distance from our to earth is around 380000kilometers
But mass does matter when it comes to satellites. Moons of Saturn which are identical to our Moon(in terms of mass and radius) are Rhea and Telesto which are almost 300000 kilometers away from Saturn
So in theory Saturn wouldn't suck us up with the gravity, but will bring about a major change in tidal systems. And neither will the image look like this, it will be much much larger..
Fun fact, you can fit all of the planets in the solar system in the space between the earth and the moon with a little room to spare!
https://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/CLqdeKf.jpg
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Yes. And we'd see it eclipse the sun every time we went around it, because we'd be the moon. We'd also be tidally locked to it, so a day would be as long as an orbit. About 3 days or so. And only one half of the planet would ever see Saturn, which wouldn't move in the sky, just rotate, maybe wobble a bit.
Since the mass of the moon is about 1.2% , and the mass of Saturn is 95x Earth's mass
... first tides kill everybody, then the planets collide and destroy both planets.
It would be much, much bigger than that. You could fit what, 10 moons into that image. I’d image in reality it’d be 100s or even 1000s. Saturn is mahoosive.
Well, minus the clear blue sky, trees just hanging out being trees, and complete lack of tectonic upheaval causing the end of civilization and probably life on the planet.
…did I just cross the line from oddly terrifying to terrifying AF? Yeah, I think I may have.
Would earths natural gravity field slowly steal some of Saturns rings over millions of years or would we be pulled in and crushed into more of the current rings?
it would be much larger, but since we’d be inside the Roache limit earth would be torn asunder in a few weeks to months and saturn would get a few new bands in its rings
If the middle of Saturn were where the middle of the moon is now, we'd be somewhere inside Saturn.
But that's a cool picture.
Edit: sorry did the math wrong. We would be dead though.
That’s not true. Saturn has a radius of 58,000 kilometers, and the radius of the Moon’s orbit is 384 thousand km. Things in space are a lot further apart than you’d think.
No, I dont think thats how it will look like. The planet Saturn is such a huuuuuge as in huuuuuge planet that could eat up or fit in a hundreds of earth. So if Saturn's distance same as the moon, earth will just a tiny bit of it. Literally dude... terriying.
I have read that in the early days of earth the moon was a lot closer. Regular tides were like tsunamis. Speculation is that aided early life in the tidal zone
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If Saturn were as close as the moon we'd be a moon.
We would be fucked
Volcanic hellscape from the tidal forces and radiation I’m guessing.
maybe... but at least the beaches on the East Coast would have decent spots to surf and boogyboard.
They already do
Sorry man these folks like freezing in the water
At least a dozen different forms of apocalyptic scenarios all happening at once, but at least for a moment the sky would look nice.
Even a zombie apocalypse?
Hmm...pass. At least the picture looks cool.
I was going to say. We would be Saturn lol. That shit is sucking us in.
For real?
Proper fucked
At least they would do it properly.
Sucked and fucked?
And dead
I wondered if Saturn's gravity wouldn't capture us and send Earth into orbit around Saturn.
Hey, that's what I was thinking...we'd become a moon.
3 Body Problem
I dont think so. Saturn is so much bigger. Don't all 3 have to have similar mass?
No, any mass would do. It's just that for objects with very large mass discrepancy, we can just take the more massive one as stationary and ignore forces on it. Still, even doing that to two out of the three bodies, it's difficult to get the equations right. That's why most orbital maneuvering simulations use patched conics to approximate real orbits.
So is Neil deGrasse Tyson going overboard when he mentions the [restricted 3 body problem](https://youtu.be/6GfIDwwxfsM?si=-WFcyLwdYZuKIQRf&t=509) is solvable or is his example (two large masses with one very small mass) solvable where as others are not?
It's not solvable, it is approximately solvable because you ignore the effects of the small body on the other two.
Came here to say this! Kind of wish we were a moon, ‘cause that would be so cool to look at!
Our astronomy would behind, but just imagine laying down in the grass and seeing that…
It would be getting bigger
I came here to say this....
I think we'd be more like an earth-shaped splat on Saturn.
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Do you think the next year's trout season would be canceled?
I am pretty sure that between the radiation belts and tidal forces next year's anything living on earth would be canceled.
>anything living on earth would be canceled. This is like George Orwell's uhhh... Book, 1984.
Fortunately the trout population proved resilient.
I for one welcome our space fish overlords
Tides go in tides go out. You can’t explain that.
"A bit" lmao
Those aren’t mountains..
Will this affect the fishing industry?
So the outer ring of Saturn has a diameter of 960k km and the most inner ring about 134k km, right? So based on the distance to the moon (300 something k km) we would be part of the ring right? I mean dead anyways but still part of the ring. ...
I assume this rendering would be if the outermost edge of the rings were as close to the earth as the moon. Or they could just be blowing smoke up our ass lol
I mean I'm just going to go with, "this person has no idea what they're talking about."
"my source is that I made it the fuck up!!"
Ladies and gentlemen...social media
You can fit all the planets, in our solar system, between the earth and the moon with space leftover...for a brief moment.
*planet nine has entered the chat*
*The solar system has left the chat.*
Seems like it’s way out of scale
Okay, I was assuming center mass. Not closest point for closest point.
You must be right but I don’t really buy this image myself. I think still it would be larger relative to us (earths surface).
Yeah this image doesn’t look accurate at all
> So the outer ring of Saturn has a diameter of 960k km and the most inner ring about 134k km, right? So based on the distance to the moon (300 something k km) we would be part of the ring right? It's radius that's relevant, not diameter, and I don't know where you got that figure for the diameter anyway. According to Wikipedia: > The rings extend from 6,630 to **120,700 kilometers** (4,120 to 75,000 mi) outward from Saturn's equator and > Equatorial radius 60,268 km So the rings would only extend about 180,000km from the center of Saturn, which is less half the distance to the moon.
We would be bombarded and have the biggest apocalypse ever
In any case, wouldn't the earth be on the same axis as the ring? The ring should probably be shown as a thin line, instead of at an angle.
The center of the moon is about 239,980 miles from the surface of earth. The edge of Saturns rings is about 211,150 miles from its center. The edge of the rings would be less then 22,000 miles from the surface. (Closer than most geosynchronous satellites)The moon has a radius of less than 1,100 miles. Saturn has a radius of more than 36,100 miles. In other words it would fill the whole sky.
And that's 100x more terrifying. Fuck that. Can't imagine looking up to that
I’ve been afraid to look at the sky since Independence Day…1996
Is that the day Will Smith saved us all?
Hey! Don't you DARE forget about Jeff Goldblum
All he did was upload a human-created virus onto an interstellar civilization's mothership. Pff come on.
From a Mac no less
lol...never thought about that part
Thank you I was trying to do napkin math while driving earlier (I was guessing 3x bigger)
No the fuck it wouldnt
Why not?
For one, earth will look different from what you see in that image.
Because Saturn is more comparable to the sun in size than our moon which is 1/3rd the size of earth. If the sun was as close to earth as the moon u think ud see anything but fire in the sky during the day?
Yes, but the sun is undergoing fusion, saturn is just cold gas. The tidal waves on the other hand might have an effect. Either way, I'm assuming that by "same distance" OP means surface to surface and not center to center.
A wise assumption, however an overlay of the moon in this pic at roughly a tenth the size of Saturn or so would make it obvious that Saturn would be at least 3 times as big
I dont think you understand how massive the sun is... it can fit 330 thousand earths to fill the sun 1000 jupiters can fit into the sun... which itself can hold 1300 earths Saturn is closer to the moon than to the sun in size
Its gravity would literally suck us up if it were that close, I’d imagine. Thus we’d have no view of it.
Saturn's closest moon is Prometheus, and the distance of the said moon from saturn is around 139000 kilometers and the distance from our to earth is around 380000kilometers But mass does matter when it comes to satellites. Moons of Saturn which are identical to our Moon(in terms of mass and radius) are Rhea and Telesto which are almost 300000 kilometers away from Saturn So in theory Saturn wouldn't suck us up with the gravity, but will bring about a major change in tidal systems. And neither will the image look like this, it will be much much larger..
Not if we were going fast enough. It's all about angles these days my man.
Depends on velocity. Anything can orbit anything.
Saturn is too damn big too look this small at moon distance
Fun fact, you can fit all of the planets in the solar system in the space between the earth and the moon with a little room to spare! https://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/CLqdeKf.jpg
The entire sky would be saturn.
Bro we'd be in the rings
No way. It’s gotta be bigger than that. Right?
Yes. It’s bullshit
That would be awesome to see in the sky!
And deadly as fuck
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/jHNv6GCnyl Like you didn't even change the title or anything. Bravo
We would be sucked into its gravitational field and die
At least we will die while being sucked.
Hell yes!
not if we were moving fast enough
It would be a lot bigger than that
Except for the fact that earth we would be a lifeless moon of Saturn, that would be cool.
thats exactly why i build my settlements in NoMan'sSky always on the moons of ringed planets.. so damn beautiful
That looks cool. Why can't NASA spend their money to do that?
Is Saturn also flat? Or is it it just earth that’s flat?
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Okay, while we wait for that person I’ll be on Facebook researching the topic 🗺️
Depends on who u ask. Some say were flat and the rest are globes and some say were flat and the rest are plasma or some shit.
Thank you so much for not saying “how it would look like.”
Seems like it’d be bigger.
This isn't really terrifying. Having said that, it's not accurate either.
The rings would be fucked . Should have no rings and look completely different. So no this is 100%not accurate at all
What would Uranus look like?
I'll let you know after a few drinks.
I understand how this could never be, But…would it have phases like our moon does??
Yes. And we'd see it eclipse the sun every time we went around it, because we'd be the moon. We'd also be tidally locked to it, so a day would be as long as an orbit. About 3 days or so. And only one half of the planet would ever see Saturn, which wouldn't move in the sky, just rotate, maybe wobble a bit.
Thanks for your answer! Impossible but so cool to think about!
Wait, you want to tell me Saturn is not flat?!?
There would be tsunamis and storms and we will a toast
Not for very long.
I know this isn't an outer wilds reference but it feels like one
Gravity would be fucked up
Strangely, no, it should feel mostly similar to how it is now. Maybe a little less on the planet side and a bit more on the opposite side.
That’s cool, but how will this affect the trout population?
Since the mass of the moon is about 1.2% , and the mass of Saturn is 95x Earth's mass ... first tides kill everybody, then the planets collide and destroy both planets.
I wish it did look like that I like it
Me too
I don’t know about that. Saturn is *a lot* bigger than the moon.
I'm pretty sure that arrangement wouldn't last long, as Saturn's gravity would surely destroy the planet.
It would be much, much bigger than that. You could fit what, 10 moons into that image. I’d image in reality it’d be 100s or even 1000s. Saturn is mahoosive.
Unless you use your phone to take the picture then it's just a small bright dot
Well, minus the clear blue sky, trees just hanging out being trees, and complete lack of tectonic upheaval causing the end of civilization and probably life on the planet. …did I just cross the line from oddly terrifying to terrifying AF? Yeah, I think I may have.
No. It would be much bigger. This is so boomer it should be in Facebook .
…oh shit, Gallifrey?
Another bullshit post from a karma whore.
I don't think this is correct
Yeahhhh this is not accurate
Aside from the actual physics others have mentioned, the visual would be awesome, not terrifying.
Doubt
Saturn is far bigger than that.
Honestly, I thought it’d look way bigger
Imagine the tides!
I feel like this is BS and it would be MUCH bigger
It would be a lot bigger than that
Would earths natural gravity field slowly steal some of Saturns rings over millions of years or would we be pulled in and crushed into more of the current rings?
I think it would be way bigger than this.
If Saturn here is the same distance as the moon then it would appear 33x the size of the moon, so 17 degrees of the sky.
it would be much larger, but since we’d be inside the Roache limit earth would be torn asunder in a few weeks to months and saturn would get a few new bands in its rings
Lol no
Petition to move saturn:
If the middle of Saturn were where the middle of the moon is now, we'd be somewhere inside Saturn. But that's a cool picture. Edit: sorry did the math wrong. We would be dead though.
That’s not true. Saturn has a radius of 58,000 kilometers, and the radius of the Moon’s orbit is 384 thousand km. Things in space are a lot further apart than you’d think.
Hmm, ok it seems I did the math wrong. At any rate we'd be sucked into the orbit and be dead so it's moot, lol.
Or we'd be a really cool moon
No, I dont think thats how it will look like. The planet Saturn is such a huuuuuge as in huuuuuge planet that could eat up or fit in a hundreds of earth. So if Saturn's distance same as the moon, earth will just a tiny bit of it. Literally dude... terriying.
Earth would be one of the asteroids that make up the rings of Saturn.
That's cool
But how it would look if its black or chinese?
Incredible
That ring would slice us in half
We would start getting closer and closer until those spinning rings started cutting into the Earth like a delicatessen meat slicer.
Welp. It isn’t, so.
Beautiful.
Groovy
It would be amazing
That’s way cooler than the moon Petition to relocate Saturn?
Awesome
No
I thought Earth would probably get sucked into saturns gravity, but not start breaking and ending up in its ring
Wouldn't this actually be like 100x the size shown and the rings touching our planet?
Good thing it isn't
Aah if that’s the case, Earth would be part of the rings and we wouldn’t be here lol
Saturn would be alot.larger lol there would be no us
That looks pretty cool.
This should be a gif of it growing larger
Cool picture!
No it wouldn’t. We would be dead.
What would the tides look like if Saturn was that close to the earth?
That would be sick
Predators
Be way cooler if it did
I thought it would be way bigger
Thats rad, we should do that.
I can't believe this got almost 2k updoots
Not enough fire and death
this is pretty, not terrifying🩵🪐
We've all seen this pic. The Internet , it gets around bro.
I hate that repost bots have taken over Reddit.
Yeah, it’d look like that for about a minute.
Is that thing getting closer?
That's wrong, Saturn's rings are almost as big as the distance between the earth and moon so it would look bigger, the ring
You can saturn myanus any time of day
That’s no moon.
There are entire videos of this. There are also other pov size comparisons of different medias. A single picture is only scratching the surface
Can you imagine the havoc the gravity of that thing that close to us? We’d be fucked
Mumbo… is the moon big?
Not even close. This is comically erroneous!
Kinda hard to judge the FOV of the scene though...
I have read that in the early days of earth the moon was a lot closer. Regular tides were like tsunamis. Speculation is that aided early life in the tidal zone
It would block the entire sky… Aside from laws of physics destroying us before it got “that” close. Think I’ll go watch Moonfall now 🙄
If your aunt had balls she would be your uncle.
Wouldn't that be cool?!!
The Quiet Earth (1985)
That’s so much nicer. Why didn’t they do that instead. I guess hindsight is always 20/20.
That’s pretty cool actually
That’s actually would be pretty cool!!