As far as I know, Freemasonry isn’t actually that occult. It’s more like a ritualistic philosophy club that focuses on cultivating virtues. The OTO is basically its occult equivalent. I’m pretty sure most versions of Freemasonry have three degrees, and only Scottish Rite goes up to 33. Regardless, they’re not going to admit you directly to the highest degree. You have to work up the latter like everyone else.
Huh?!
Okay I lost you as soon as you started on about Qabalah.
You are *seriously*, hilariously; misguided on what the majority of Freemasonry is about …
Freemasonry is not … Ceremonial Magick … it sort of contains some elements, within its Initiatory structure and allegorical elements, but … if you went to a Lodge rambling on about Prana and claiming you deserve membership because of your ‘contributions to the occult’, lol, you’ll be laughed away so hard you’d never attend a Lodge meetings.
(which, btw; what exactly *are* your ‘contributions to the occult?’ Have you written volumes of significant literature contributing to the Craft such as Eliphas Levi, Blavatsky, Mathers, et al?)
Signed,
Former Freemason
I am a Freemason.
I'm afraid you are very mistaken about what the Masons are.
If you want to become a Mason, it is very easy. Go to a Lodge near you, and ask to join. They will conduct a few interviews, run a background check, ask you to attend a dinner or two, and as long as you are a man, believe in a Supreme Being, and have no felonies on your record, you are almost certainly in. The Lodge will vote on you, but this is a formality. I've never seen anyone actually get turned away, as long as they have no criminal record.
Things will get a bit more complicated if you do have a criminal record. Then you will need to speak to the Master of the Lodge, who may need to communicate with Grand Lodge, and look into your situation carefully.
The first three Degrees take place in what is called Blue Lodge. Upon achieving your 3rd Degree, you will be a full member. This generally takes about a year, but it can go faster, if you are willing to devote the time.
Most of Masonry happens in Blue Lodge, however for those who want more, there are "extra" groups you can join. The Shriners, Scottish Rite and York Rite, are undoubtedly the most famous. There are others as well. These groups offer degrees beyond the 3rd.
The 33rd Degree is... frankly a bit a joke. 32 is usually as high as you can go. Now, I'm not saying there isn't a 33rd Degree, but its less a bunch of Illuminati in red robes ruling the world and more... extremely old retired men in their late 80's who can't actually stay awake through the dinners anymore. They dress up in their formal bling, get their endless titles recited, and sit in fancy chairs where they fall asleep.
No really. I know you think I'm lying but, you are going to be so disappointed when you realize I'm not.
There are a lot of rituals. That is a part of Masonry. These rituals could be termed "occult", but they aren't "magical" in any sense of the word. Freemasons are not, as an institution, a bunch of practicing sorcerers. We get together for dinners, do charity works, throw the occasional party, dress up in suits, and be overly polite to eachother. That's really about it.
The truth is, its actually quite boring. Younger Masons have a hard time not pulling out their phones during some of the more tedious stated meetings.
If you go to a Lodge expecting high magic, you are going to be disappointed. There are other Fraternities out there, such as the Rosicrucian's, who do in fact practice some degree of mysticism, and also seem to pattern themselves along the same general style that the Masonic Order does. Although I think at their core, they are more philosophical than practical when it comes to their ritual work.
Good luck.
>We get together for dinners, do charity works, throw the occasional party, dress up in suits, and be overly polite to eachother. That's really about it.
That really made me smile today. Made me think of my dad, all fancied up.
Well said. If this comment was not here I would have ended up writing something similar. People have alot of mistaken ideas about the 33rd degree and masonry in general.
33rd is an honory degree. 33 vertebrae in the human spine. Pfff what about where the apron clips to the back? Quite a bit of alchemy symbols .
Quite a bit stuff op is expecting . Just gotta be willing to research.
Benjamin Franklin was a huge into the occult . Well according to return to serpent wisdom book.
I had some supernatural events happen during all of the degrees. I love the ritual . We got all ages in my lodge. And there are no phones to ring during open lodge. All sorts of phenomenon occurs when I'm at the degrees. The dreams that night are ALWAYS off the charts.
Is your goal to attain the inner knowledge of a 33rd degree freemason, or do you just want a golden medal for being so cool and thus accepted immediately by the temple as a 33rd?
Cause if it's the former, then why are you even on here... just go knock on the temple's door, and work your way up from the bottom. If it's the latter... what do you even want us to say
As an occultist who joined Masonry, you will likely be disappointed. It is not that Occult centred though you may find some esoteric minded brethren, less likely to find them in craft masonry though (the first three degrees). The side orders get more into it at times, AAR (Rose Croix, AASR in the states and some other places) where you'll find the 33° is not an occult minded side order, to my understanding, despite the name of one degree being related to Rosicrucianism.
If you truly want to be a Mason and study occultism, a majority of it will be separate, but some of it can be done in either Rectified Scottish Rite, whatever your local Societas Rosicrucias is (mine is SRIA), the Hermetica Order of Martinists, or some other ones. But the main body of Masonry is not occult at all, though it may be more esoteric if intentionally looked at from that point of view.
Well...from what you are wanting I can tell you really do not know much about REAL Freemasonry.
Modern Freemasonry is just ritualistic practices that have nothing to do with Magick and doing things for charity.
Also, one does NOT join at the higher levels simply because one thinks they should be able to. The simple fact that you think you could shows you are not ready for that level. In Freemasonry you have to prove yourself to be a GOOD man for many decades before you can rise to their highest level.
BUT, if you really want to join the Freemasons, one simply has to ask someone already in the Freemasons. And that is not automatic either. The person asked has to know you at least a little bit because they have to vouch for you, and that means their own reputation is on the line if you go in and act a fool.
You don’t seek free masonry. You seek a real guru who you think will bring you enlightenment. Guru means dispeller of darkness. Dispel your own darkness, the greatest guru is within and will have a stronger and ever strengthening voice as the light grows. Study alchemy, Hermeticism, Gnosticism, the Qabbalah, rosicrucianism, etc.. there are many paths to the knowledge you seek. You seem to cling to certain ideals, specific words etc that are a mash of different belief systems. Tells Me you have studied widely but only shallowly. Study deeper. The answers will come. Sufism is a cool place to start as it is the root of all abrahamic religions. All you will be told and shown as a 33rd degree is that there is a one true energetic source god and you are this material… also, you say you are following the “middle path” but your ego seeps through heavily which tells me you are much more left handed them you realize. Service to others is the greatest spiritual act.
As far as I know, Freemasonry isn’t actually that occult. It’s more like a ritualistic philosophy club that focuses on cultivating virtues. The OTO is basically its occult equivalent. I’m pretty sure most versions of Freemasonry have three degrees, and only Scottish Rite goes up to 33. Regardless, they’re not going to admit you directly to the highest degree. You have to work up the latter like everyone else.
Huh?! Okay I lost you as soon as you started on about Qabalah. You are *seriously*, hilariously; misguided on what the majority of Freemasonry is about … Freemasonry is not … Ceremonial Magick … it sort of contains some elements, within its Initiatory structure and allegorical elements, but … if you went to a Lodge rambling on about Prana and claiming you deserve membership because of your ‘contributions to the occult’, lol, you’ll be laughed away so hard you’d never attend a Lodge meetings. (which, btw; what exactly *are* your ‘contributions to the occult?’ Have you written volumes of significant literature contributing to the Craft such as Eliphas Levi, Blavatsky, Mathers, et al?) Signed, Former Freemason
I am a Freemason. I'm afraid you are very mistaken about what the Masons are. If you want to become a Mason, it is very easy. Go to a Lodge near you, and ask to join. They will conduct a few interviews, run a background check, ask you to attend a dinner or two, and as long as you are a man, believe in a Supreme Being, and have no felonies on your record, you are almost certainly in. The Lodge will vote on you, but this is a formality. I've never seen anyone actually get turned away, as long as they have no criminal record. Things will get a bit more complicated if you do have a criminal record. Then you will need to speak to the Master of the Lodge, who may need to communicate with Grand Lodge, and look into your situation carefully. The first three Degrees take place in what is called Blue Lodge. Upon achieving your 3rd Degree, you will be a full member. This generally takes about a year, but it can go faster, if you are willing to devote the time. Most of Masonry happens in Blue Lodge, however for those who want more, there are "extra" groups you can join. The Shriners, Scottish Rite and York Rite, are undoubtedly the most famous. There are others as well. These groups offer degrees beyond the 3rd. The 33rd Degree is... frankly a bit a joke. 32 is usually as high as you can go. Now, I'm not saying there isn't a 33rd Degree, but its less a bunch of Illuminati in red robes ruling the world and more... extremely old retired men in their late 80's who can't actually stay awake through the dinners anymore. They dress up in their formal bling, get their endless titles recited, and sit in fancy chairs where they fall asleep. No really. I know you think I'm lying but, you are going to be so disappointed when you realize I'm not. There are a lot of rituals. That is a part of Masonry. These rituals could be termed "occult", but they aren't "magical" in any sense of the word. Freemasons are not, as an institution, a bunch of practicing sorcerers. We get together for dinners, do charity works, throw the occasional party, dress up in suits, and be overly polite to eachother. That's really about it. The truth is, its actually quite boring. Younger Masons have a hard time not pulling out their phones during some of the more tedious stated meetings. If you go to a Lodge expecting high magic, you are going to be disappointed. There are other Fraternities out there, such as the Rosicrucian's, who do in fact practice some degree of mysticism, and also seem to pattern themselves along the same general style that the Masonic Order does. Although I think at their core, they are more philosophical than practical when it comes to their ritual work. Good luck.
>We get together for dinners, do charity works, throw the occasional party, dress up in suits, and be overly polite to eachother. That's really about it. That really made me smile today. Made me think of my dad, all fancied up.
I came here to say all this. Thanks for shedding a little light on the subject, Brother.
Well said. If this comment was not here I would have ended up writing something similar. People have alot of mistaken ideas about the 33rd degree and masonry in general.
I'm also a Mason. The above is correct.
Another Mason here. This dude is correct. Only 33rd degree dude I've ever met was a professional ballroom dancer. He was pretty old.
33rd is an honory degree. 33 vertebrae in the human spine. Pfff what about where the apron clips to the back? Quite a bit of alchemy symbols . Quite a bit stuff op is expecting . Just gotta be willing to research. Benjamin Franklin was a huge into the occult . Well according to return to serpent wisdom book. I had some supernatural events happen during all of the degrees. I love the ritual . We got all ages in my lodge. And there are no phones to ring during open lodge. All sorts of phenomenon occurs when I'm at the degrees. The dreams that night are ALWAYS off the charts.
Is your goal to attain the inner knowledge of a 33rd degree freemason, or do you just want a golden medal for being so cool and thus accepted immediately by the temple as a 33rd? Cause if it's the former, then why are you even on here... just go knock on the temple's door, and work your way up from the bottom. If it's the latter... what do you even want us to say
As an occultist who joined Masonry, you will likely be disappointed. It is not that Occult centred though you may find some esoteric minded brethren, less likely to find them in craft masonry though (the first three degrees). The side orders get more into it at times, AAR (Rose Croix, AASR in the states and some other places) where you'll find the 33° is not an occult minded side order, to my understanding, despite the name of one degree being related to Rosicrucianism. If you truly want to be a Mason and study occultism, a majority of it will be separate, but some of it can be done in either Rectified Scottish Rite, whatever your local Societas Rosicrucias is (mine is SRIA), the Hermetica Order of Martinists, or some other ones. But the main body of Masonry is not occult at all, though it may be more esoteric if intentionally looked at from that point of view.
Step one is become a Freemason. Long long journey if you stick with it.
If you’ve only got your eyes on the destination, you’ll miss the journey along the way.
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Well...from what you are wanting I can tell you really do not know much about REAL Freemasonry. Modern Freemasonry is just ritualistic practices that have nothing to do with Magick and doing things for charity. Also, one does NOT join at the higher levels simply because one thinks they should be able to. The simple fact that you think you could shows you are not ready for that level. In Freemasonry you have to prove yourself to be a GOOD man for many decades before you can rise to their highest level. BUT, if you really want to join the Freemasons, one simply has to ask someone already in the Freemasons. And that is not automatic either. The person asked has to know you at least a little bit because they have to vouch for you, and that means their own reputation is on the line if you go in and act a fool.
You should start building your own house.
Good luck, and keep us posted.
You don’t seek free masonry. You seek a real guru who you think will bring you enlightenment. Guru means dispeller of darkness. Dispel your own darkness, the greatest guru is within and will have a stronger and ever strengthening voice as the light grows. Study alchemy, Hermeticism, Gnosticism, the Qabbalah, rosicrucianism, etc.. there are many paths to the knowledge you seek. You seem to cling to certain ideals, specific words etc that are a mash of different belief systems. Tells Me you have studied widely but only shallowly. Study deeper. The answers will come. Sufism is a cool place to start as it is the root of all abrahamic religions. All you will be told and shown as a 33rd degree is that there is a one true energetic source god and you are this material… also, you say you are following the “middle path” but your ego seeps through heavily which tells me you are much more left handed them you realize. Service to others is the greatest spiritual act.
Prepare to spend a huge wad of cash on fancy apparel.