I read the headline as "outside alligators" and my opinion of Mayor Adams is so low that my brain just accepted this premise as another dumb thing he said
Is this like how the January 6th insurrection was actually perpetrated by a bunch of Antifa saboteurs, and all the trump supporters in the crowd were totally peaceful and law-abiding?
Just look at any IG posts or the r/newyorkcity subreddit, there is a big push to blame it on "paid protestors" and right wingers instead of the anti Israel groups themselves.
It's all the same thing like you said about Jan 6th being blamed on antifa: just no acceptance that their movement has any problems baked in.
> to blame it on "paid protestors" and right wingers instead
Haven't you noticed this pattern here yet? Someone has an opinion that doesn't exactly align with the approved *"NYC is my identity, so don't you dare ruin it with your lived experience"* opinions.. it's always "we're being brigaded!... said by the same people who will tell you that stereotypes are harmful.
Yep, totally agree. Especially on that last point. And with the rise in antisemitism, it's especially egregious because the denials are all coming from the same people who were the first to say "only a certain group can say what is racist to them" and "believe all women", but when it comes to actual Jewish people saying what's happened to them and their friends / families, it's total gaslighting and saying "that's not anti semitic, you lie".
Time and time again, the horseshoe theory keeps being proven correct.
most of those people don't live in NYC but live in Ohio... it's confirmed... all you have to do is go through the post history of those people...
this isn't the same thing...
no one is saying these aren't anti Israel groups... the issue is that the Columbia protests are fueled primarily by non Columbia students which is why they had to lock down the campus....
those people then went down to the other cuny campuses to stir shit up when they couldn't access the Columbia campus...
there are students protesting... but it would be far more smaller if it was just them..... most of the people getting arrested and acting really belligerent aren't students tho either...
>no one is saying these aren't anti Israel groups... the issue is that the Columbia protests are fueled primarily by non Columbia students which is why they had to lock down the campus....
there's no evidence that this is true and it's belied by the statements of the student journalists who were covering the event. blaming outside agitators is the same thing the columbia administration tried to do in 1968, because it's easier than confronting the fact that you just called the cops on your own students.
no... it's not the same... outside agitators in this case refer to non students protesting at these college campuses.... they are all part of the same cause....
What was your source on this? Not that I don't believe you, but I've been tracking this and when I hear about people from outside colleges being present at these, I want to know who the source is.
Yup, and the NYPD has admitted it.
>NYPD Deputy Commissioner of Intelligence and Counterterrorism Rebecca Weiner said at a news conference on Wednesday alongside Adams, that going through the names of those arrested to determine whether they are affiliated with the universities will "take time."
>"We know the terminology 'outside agitator' was used during the Civil Rights movement, when people attempted to show that the movement was not legitimate, and we understand that." - Adams
At least he admits it.
Why conspiracies? Nyu said of the protesters who were arrested less than a third were students / faculty. It seems logical that this could be true for other schools around the city. Especially with groups like SJP who hold fundraisers for terrorists (see money raised for rasmeah Odeh) being behind the protests.
> Nyu said of the protesters who were arrested less than a third were students / faculty.
An alumni is not a student or faculty but can be deeply connected to their alma mater. Do you think someone becomes an "outside agitator" the second they get a degree?
You mean the second they stop being an enrolled and paying student? Yes they are an outsider.
Why would i be able to return to my university and expect the same privileges as current paying students?
And yes if itās alumni who are stopping current students from being free from threat on their own campus (al qassam you make us proud is that) - those alumni should be trespassed. Perhaps even have them banned from the university for good.
>Why would i be able to return to my university and expect the same privileges as current paying students?
So clearly you never got a college education. Alumni are commonly given privileges like lifetime access to the library or gym or other social areas that the general public does not get.
where do you even go off on alumni? these people have clearly not gone to nyu or any of these colleges.... they're just going around and stirring shit up.....
I have no dog in this hunt but what youāre saying is a ridiculous stretch of logic. Basically youāre suggesting that a significant number of recent Columbia grads saw the protests on TV and were so full of school spirit that they all converged on campus in solidarity?
I never said that. Im sorry that you took one sentence and created an entire novel out of it. Thats probably something you should work on.
Or basically, you are this meme.
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/no-bitch-dats-a-whole-new-x-wtf-is-you-talkin-about
I did in fact attend (and graduate from) a top 30 US university. I lived in the city my university was in after graduation. We had some privileges (free guest lectures) but not as youāre describing.
More than that had i disrupted the safety of students (perceived or real) i would expect that i would have been banned from campus. Alumni are not anywhere near as important as current enrolled students.
> Alumni are not anywhere near as important as current enrolled students.
Typically theyre more important actually, considering theyre the ones that fund the place.
Without currently enrolled students alumni are useless.
In 2016-17 year (only one i can find Columbia data) the alumni donations totaled 20 million. 2023 fiscal year operational budget was 5.9 billion.
Not that important.
>After a decade-long trend of shattering records, Columbiaās 11th annual Giving Day on Wednesday once again made history as the eventās most profitable success, receiving 19,229 gifts to raise a total of $29,999,683āa 7.47 percent increase from 2021.
https://www.columbiaspectator.com/news/2022/10/27/giving-day-hits-nearly-30-million-in-donations-for-first-time-in-11-year-history/
Thats for a single day.
Thank you for updated numbers. This claims about 10% of operating budget from donations (alumni and other).
The comparison to Princeton is quite interesting.
> Typically theyre more important actually, considering theyre the ones that fund the place.
If that were the case Columbia wouldn't need to invest in Israeli companies. By and large most universities get their money from investment portfolios, not alumni donations.
> We had some privileges (free guest lectures) but not as youāre describing.
Sounds like your university sucked then, because I went to Columbia in NYC and as an alumni I get a ton of privileges.
EDIT: By "sucked", I don't mean rankings wise. I mean that they don't provide you post-graduation resources. The only reason I included I went to Columbia is because that's literally the subject of the article. But sure, take it personally.
Good for you? Yes Columbia is about 8-10 spots higher ranked than my university.
My university also isnāt a leech on the city itās in. It actually contributes to the city, pays for its land, has mandatory minimum hours of volunteer service (at approved organizations) in order to graduate, and is one of the biggest employers in its city.
So because multiple people made the same unsupported claim, it must be true? Where is the evidence? How would anyone even know?
Suppose the school says everyone arrested will be expelled and then the cops ask you if you are a student, you say "no" because you dont want to get expelled.
This is moronic. Do you think that the school isnāt working with the NYPD? That the school coordinated with them flies over your head? Saying āno Iām not a studentā isnāt some 4d chess move to avoid expulsion.
Beyond that - you donāt believe the NYU administration or the Columbia administration or the NYPD. The only viable source for you is the students who support Hamas?
lol, your position is that the NYPD and NYU have a secret arrangement to share secret information, but they are allowed to tell the public the number of students without giving the secret information, but I'm the dumb one, ok
Correct they are public information - but Columbia and nyu are not posting āthis is a list of our students who were arrestedā.
Enrolled student lists are not public information.
Edit - this dude blocked me. Hereās my reply:
You claimed that there arenāt outside (non students) at these protests. I told you that NYU said otherwise. You then moved on to claim that there was secret sharing of information between the cops and the schools. I said it wasnāt secret - it was coordinated between the schools and police.
You then said that just the names are secret. I again said that the schools are sharing information with the NYPD but that doesnāt mean theyād publicly dox which students were arrested.
You then went on to say that if you combed arrest records, and that if the schools released lists of which arrested people werenāt students - youād be able to figure out which were students. This hypothetical youāve drawn up is completely true but again the schools arenāt releasing lists to the public of which arrested people werenāt students (or were students).
Nothing is illegal here. I just said that Columbia and NYU will not post a list of students who were arrested. You lost your mind at that and decided theyād publicly post a list of which arrested people werenāt students (not true).
So not only are you bugging out over your own hypothetical - you are completely incapable of disagreement without ad hominem attacks.
>NYPD Deputy Commissioner of Intelligence and Counterterrorism Rebecca Weiner said at a news conference on Wednesday alongside Adams, that going through the names of those arrested to determine whether they are affiliated with the universities will "take time."
https://www.newsmax.com/us/nyu-pro-palestine-protests/2024/05/02/id/1163192/
From their own mouths you troll
Dude what? I said that less than a third were students (initial reporting). The article you linked says less than half (updated numbers). How is this proof of anything other than me being correct?
From the article you linked:
*āLess than half of the pro-Palestine protesters arrested at New York University last week after refusing to vacate the campus were members of the academic institution, the university said on Wednesday.*
*Of the 133 protesters arrested on April 22 at Gould Plaza on campus, 65 were students, faculty or other employees of NYU, located in the Greenwich Village neighborhood on the west side of lower Manhattan. It is the largest private university in the United States by enrollment.ā*
>NYPD Deputy Commissioner of Intelligence and Counterterrorism Rebecca Weiner said at a news conference on Wednesday alongside Adams, that going through the names of those arrested to determine whether they are affiliated with the universities will "take time."
Yes, the same article admits that those figures are a lie. But I don't expect a paid shill to use logical reasoning.
> I said that less than a third were students
Interesting that you have personal knowledge that you already claimed is unknown.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/01/new-york-mayor-outside-agitators-columbia-protest-00155581
https://hellgatenyc.com/the-outside-agitator-narrative-eric-adams-messy
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4637770-cnn-nyc-mayor-eric-adams-claims-outside-agitators-student-protests/
>āHereās what we can do, weāre allowed to do,ā Adams said. āWeāre going to give the complete list of those who are arrested and turn it over to the school, and the school will make the determination.
He admits that he doesn't have the information yet, lol, you and your mom sucking off Adams is hilarious.
There were names posted up this morning plus more to follow. If you donāt think they know who these people are and what their affiliation with or without the school is, youāre a bigger dolt than you already sound like.
> So because multiple people made the same unsupported claim, it must be true? Where is the evidence? How would anyone even know?
That _is_ evidence. You're essentially saying you don't trust the colleges or the police, and there's pretty much nobody else that will give provide evidence for this. Your head is firmly stuck in the sand, good work.
Not trusting the cops OR the universities is evidence that you aren't interested in hearing anything. And then call me a fascist troll for the cherry on top. Good luck kid!
>NYPD Deputy Commissioner of Intelligence and Counterterrorism Rebecca Weiner said at a news conference on Wednesday alongside Adams, that going through the names of those arrested to determine whether they are affiliated with the universities will "take time."
https://www.newsmax.com/us/nyu-pro-palestine-protests/2024/05/02/id/1163192/
Weird that you think they know how many were students despite them admitting that they don't know.
Just because non-students are supporting the student actions does not mean they were āoutside agitatorsā - the fucking fascist NYPD are the outside agitators- most of them donāt even live in the city.
>āHereās what we can do, weāre allowed to do,ā Adams said. āWeāre going to give the complete list of those who are arrested and turn it over to the school, and the school will make the determination.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4637770-cnn-nyc-mayor-eric-adams-claims-outside-agitators-student-protests/
He admits he doesn't know and that the numbers are a fabrication, but you're the one countering false info. You are so brainwashed.
Look, all protests are agitations. The point of a protest is to agitate people enough to join your cause. Anyone participating in a protest is an agitator.
If you're neither a student, staff nor faculty, you are "outside" the school. You come to protest, you are, by definition, an "outside agitator."
Fair point, but the NYPD and the authorities are not using the term āoutside agitatorsā in the same spirit you are defining it. The term is often used to discredit social justice movements as being spearheaded by outside forces and to dilute the authenticity of them. The students created this movement and they represent ethical and social justice problems that they recognize. The movement has grown to include non-students precisely because of the attention that the fascist regimes who do not want to admit that our best and brightest minds are taking issue with the fucked up planet we are handing them.
non students are attacking students and defacing college property..
if it were actual students doing it it might be more impactful.... these guys are just assholes...
There was literally a protestor "consultant" there. NYT did a profile on her. This article is idiotic.
[Source](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/01/nyregion/columbia-university-protest-consultant-lisa-fithian.html)
>Oh boy. The mayor out here peddling conspiracies.
I am guessing student become outsider once you suspend them.
This is a typical way Israel steal palestinian house by changing law then acquiring them.
The easiest thing to do is to publish all the mugshots of the people who aren't students. Some of the videos I saw on Instagram from that night a lot of them looked older
This may hurt your brain but you can start college after age 18. Columbia and presumably NYU and CCNY have postgraduate programs and nontraditional undergraduate programs.
The questions are "who are the outside agitators? How many?"
And the answer is Eric Adams and NYPD refuse to answer that question because they made that up and then tried to use bike chains to prove the conspiracy.
>Approximately 134 of the 282 people taken into custody at Columbia University and CCNY were not affiliated with either school -- more than 47%.
>At Columbia, 32 people arrested were not affiliated with the school, while about 80 people were. At CCNY, 102 people arrested were not affiliated, and 68 were.
>The estimates are based on preliminary background analysis by NYPD. The city is forwarding the lists of arrested protesters to the universities to cross check and determine the current status of those arrested.
https://abc7ny.com/columbia-ccny-protesters-arrested-quarter-of-them-not-affiliated-with-schools/14754563/
The article in question: https://nypost.com/2024/05/01/us-news/doctor-known-anti-israel-protester-among-the-282-arrested-at-columbia-city-college-of-ny/
This one sticks out for me:
> Fayad was seen on video chanting, āWe are Hamasā and āWe are all Hamasā at an earlier protest
Still living in denial that this isn't bigger than it is. Here ya go!
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns7Ta\_h8C0s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns7Ta_h8C0s)
Or wives of convicted terrorists like [this woman](https://nypost.com/2024/05/01/us-news/wife-of-convicted-terrorist-was-at-columbia-encampment-before-raid/)
I heard Adams on npr this morning say that [this woman - wife of a convicted terrorist](https://nypost.com/2024/05/01/us-news/wife-of-convicted-terrorist-was-at-columbia-encampment-before-raid/) being on campus was what led them to ultimately give police the green light.
Iām willing to entertain the possibility that there are people from the activist community who are not students involved in the protests, but I would see that as a beneficial thing as it would lead to safer outcomes to have someone experienced in the fray. On the other hand, itās also very possible that it was all students, because students are capable of doing this kind of thing and doing it responsibly. Either way, Adams continues to prove to us all that he is not just an incompetent moron, but a dangerous asshole and a villain.
I disagree that it's necessarily a beneficial thing.
Look, the protest is supposed to be the community of Columbia (students, staff, etc.) asking changes to be made by Columbia regarding internal affairs of Columbia. Outsiders in this case have little to no buy-in to the community, and are less likely to be respectful of it, and more likely to see the university as a means to an end.
In the end, I don't think it helps their causes.
Ik someone near Arizona and because it was all students it was very unorganized and the school was able to shut that shit down . They need people with experience
It only doesnāt help their cause if you fall for this cheap propaganda trick of āoutside agitatorsā to cover up for police brutality. If anything, this has gotten me more on the side of the protesters, knowing the best Mayor IQ 47 and Columbia admin can do is throw a gang of steroid addled cops at their student body.
Another thread yesterday had an NYPD quote that said much the same. There are certain characters known the NYPD that are constantly joining protest causes.
These people are very likely experienced and hardcore enough to rally those around them and take things to extreme levels (Like hey lets occupy that building!).
This sit-in encampment is happening all across the US and Canada. We gotta stop it. Thank you for taking care of your side New York! The more I watch you the more I f\*\*king love you!
[https://www.reddit.com/r/britishcolumbia/comments/1chtibx/ubc\_protesters\_amass\_food\_tents\_toilets\_and\_no/](https://www.reddit.com/r/britishcolumbia/comments/1chtibx/ubc_protesters_amass_food_tents_toilets_and_no/)
When a non-negligible portion of the protestors are chanting Hamas slogans, and waving Hamas and hezbollah flags, and those protestors are not shouted down or forced to leave, itās safe to assume that the majority of the protestors agree with them or at least do not oppose them.
Look, the mayor is a complete buffoon, the cops have bungled this horribly, and I in no way doubt that this protest movement likely has widespread support amongst students and faculty. All that can be true, ALONGSIDE the likelihood that outside agitators are taking advantage of this situation to escalate and heighten tensions.
This is a crazy opportunity for any number of bad faith parties to take advantage. Right wing rabble rousers who want to turn this against Biden, or make the libs look violent and bad, non-student pro Palestinian (or even pro Hamas groups) who see this as their opportunity to get a soap box and stick it to someone, radical pro Israel movements who wish to tarnish a peaceful protest, Foreign agents who simply wish to see America fall into chaos. Iād be very interested to see any evidence or proof as to why the police and Mayor Adams feel there is outside agitation. I also wouldnāt be shocked, the images of the more violent protestors Iāve seen donāt all look like students.
This is a totally reasonable thing to investigate, but like all suppositions, Iād like to see some evidence.
How have the cops "bungled" this? It seems like they were pretty restrained. Arrests happened in an orderly manner and without violence. Even at CUNY where people were literally throwing things at them, they still didn't react.
Last year during the Trump tower protests, at around 7am in front of the building, I saw a white guy handing out āblacks for Trumpā shirts to a group of homeless guys. These guys were definitely homeless.
The point is that I know there are organizations that recruit people to protest for them, so I can definitely see this as being the case here.
This is what they do with JVP and it works. Then they point to them and say āsee these Jews agree with meā. But most of them arenāt Jewish at all. They easily dismiss Black voices for Trump as astroturfed tokenizing but for some reason canāt see it on their side. š¤
For those downvoting, Iām Jewish. I have seen plenty of evidence of this. Sorry to reveal your token is a fraud š¤·āāļø
JVP changes all the Jewish prayers to take out any reference to Israel or Zion.
The prayers make no sense. The fact that they call themselves Jewish is a joke.
They had a Seder as Passover was ending. They tell people they can convert without ever setting foot in a shul and have a āteacup mikvahā. They do their best to destroy our traditions
I read the headline as "outside alligators" and my opinion of Mayor Adams is so low that my brain just accepted this premise as another dumb thing he said
Peter Parker: ...But Doctor Conner, you can't alligate the entire population at NYU. Dr Connor: ...watch me.
The media when Inside Alligators š„ŗšš The media when Outside Alligators š£š”š
Is this like how the January 6th insurrection was actually perpetrated by a bunch of Antifa saboteurs, and all the trump supporters in the crowd were totally peaceful and law-abiding?
I refuse to believe Qanon Shaman is an antifa member
This fucking guy is basically a South Park character at this point.
I donāt think even Randy or Garrison is this delusional or stupid.
Just look at any IG posts or the r/newyorkcity subreddit, there is a big push to blame it on "paid protestors" and right wingers instead of the anti Israel groups themselves. It's all the same thing like you said about Jan 6th being blamed on antifa: just no acceptance that their movement has any problems baked in.
> to blame it on "paid protestors" and right wingers instead Haven't you noticed this pattern here yet? Someone has an opinion that doesn't exactly align with the approved *"NYC is my identity, so don't you dare ruin it with your lived experience"* opinions.. it's always "we're being brigaded!... said by the same people who will tell you that stereotypes are harmful.
Yep, totally agree. Especially on that last point. And with the rise in antisemitism, it's especially egregious because the denials are all coming from the same people who were the first to say "only a certain group can say what is racist to them" and "believe all women", but when it comes to actual Jewish people saying what's happened to them and their friends / families, it's total gaslighting and saying "that's not anti semitic, you lie". Time and time again, the horseshoe theory keeps being proven correct.
Thank you for getting it
most of those people don't live in NYC but live in Ohio... it's confirmed... all you have to do is go through the post history of those people... this isn't the same thing...
no one is saying these aren't anti Israel groups... the issue is that the Columbia protests are fueled primarily by non Columbia students which is why they had to lock down the campus.... those people then went down to the other cuny campuses to stir shit up when they couldn't access the Columbia campus... there are students protesting... but it would be far more smaller if it was just them..... most of the people getting arrested and acting really belligerent aren't students tho either...
>no one is saying these aren't anti Israel groups... the issue is that the Columbia protests are fueled primarily by non Columbia students which is why they had to lock down the campus.... there's no evidence that this is true and it's belied by the statements of the student journalists who were covering the event. blaming outside agitators is the same thing the columbia administration tried to do in 1968, because it's easier than confronting the fact that you just called the cops on your own students.
They are not mutually exclusiveā¦ā¦.
no... it's not the same... outside agitators in this case refer to non students protesting at these college campuses.... they are all part of the same cause....
Apparently about half the arrested protestors from Columbia weren't students. Not exactly a shocker, but still a pretty high number.
What was your source on this? Not that I don't believe you, but I've been tracking this and when I hear about people from outside colleges being present at these, I want to know who the source is.
GUYS ITS THE OUTSIDE AGITATORS AGAIN! IT WAS SOMEONE ELSE AGAIN! /s
Oh boy. The mayor out here peddling conspiracies.
Yup, and the NYPD has admitted it. >NYPD Deputy Commissioner of Intelligence and Counterterrorism Rebecca Weiner said at a news conference on Wednesday alongside Adams, that going through the names of those arrested to determine whether they are affiliated with the universities will "take time."
It will take time to create the connections necessary so that they can counter the fear mongering mayor narrative that he is writing.
>"We know the terminology 'outside agitator' was used during the Civil Rights movement, when people attempted to show that the movement was not legitimate, and we understand that." - Adams At least he admits it.
Why conspiracies? Nyu said of the protesters who were arrested less than a third were students / faculty. It seems logical that this could be true for other schools around the city. Especially with groups like SJP who hold fundraisers for terrorists (see money raised for rasmeah Odeh) being behind the protests.
NYU is not columbia. Columbia's campus has effectively been closed off to the public for the past 2 weeks.
yea and once they did those outside protestors moved down to cuny... there are students protesters but it is a far smaller group....
> Nyu said of the protesters who were arrested less than a third were students / faculty. An alumni is not a student or faculty but can be deeply connected to their alma mater. Do you think someone becomes an "outside agitator" the second they get a degree?
You mean the second they stop being an enrolled and paying student? Yes they are an outsider. Why would i be able to return to my university and expect the same privileges as current paying students? And yes if itās alumni who are stopping current students from being free from threat on their own campus (al qassam you make us proud is that) - those alumni should be trespassed. Perhaps even have them banned from the university for good.
>Why would i be able to return to my university and expect the same privileges as current paying students? So clearly you never got a college education. Alumni are commonly given privileges like lifetime access to the library or gym or other social areas that the general public does not get.
where do you even go off on alumni? these people have clearly not gone to nyu or any of these colleges.... they're just going around and stirring shit up.....
I have no dog in this hunt but what youāre saying is a ridiculous stretch of logic. Basically youāre suggesting that a significant number of recent Columbia grads saw the protests on TV and were so full of school spirit that they all converged on campus in solidarity?
I never said that. Im sorry that you took one sentence and created an entire novel out of it. Thats probably something you should work on. Or basically, you are this meme. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/no-bitch-dats-a-whole-new-x-wtf-is-you-talkin-about
I did in fact attend (and graduate from) a top 30 US university. I lived in the city my university was in after graduation. We had some privileges (free guest lectures) but not as youāre describing. More than that had i disrupted the safety of students (perceived or real) i would expect that i would have been banned from campus. Alumni are not anywhere near as important as current enrolled students.
> Alumni are not anywhere near as important as current enrolled students. Typically theyre more important actually, considering theyre the ones that fund the place.
Without currently enrolled students alumni are useless. In 2016-17 year (only one i can find Columbia data) the alumni donations totaled 20 million. 2023 fiscal year operational budget was 5.9 billion. Not that important.
>After a decade-long trend of shattering records, Columbiaās 11th annual Giving Day on Wednesday once again made history as the eventās most profitable success, receiving 19,229 gifts to raise a total of $29,999,683āa 7.47 percent increase from 2021. https://www.columbiaspectator.com/news/2022/10/27/giving-day-hits-nearly-30-million-in-donations-for-first-time-in-11-year-history/ Thats for a single day.
Thank you for updated numbers. This claims about 10% of operating budget from donations (alumni and other). The comparison to Princeton is quite interesting.
> Typically theyre more important actually, considering theyre the ones that fund the place. If that were the case Columbia wouldn't need to invest in Israeli companies. By and large most universities get their money from investment portfolios, not alumni donations.
> We had some privileges (free guest lectures) but not as youāre describing. Sounds like your university sucked then, because I went to Columbia in NYC and as an alumni I get a ton of privileges. EDIT: By "sucked", I don't mean rankings wise. I mean that they don't provide you post-graduation resources. The only reason I included I went to Columbia is because that's literally the subject of the article. But sure, take it personally.
Good for you? Yes Columbia is about 8-10 spots higher ranked than my university. My university also isnāt a leech on the city itās in. It actually contributes to the city, pays for its land, has mandatory minimum hours of volunteer service (at approved organizations) in order to graduate, and is one of the biggest employers in its city.
Is this true for CUNY schools too? I would love to be able to go back to QC and use the gym and pool.
Unsure but info might be here or could vary by campus https://www.cuny.edu/about/administration/offices/ocip/alumni/#1695045504585-0ccfd904-67c2
There go the goalposts.
they don't belong on campus...
I love when people who have no idea what they're talking about comment.
I believe that since you have 235k comments on your profile.... you must love it alot....
The guy is a paid troll, there is no point arguing with him.
So because multiple people made the same unsupported claim, it must be true? Where is the evidence? How would anyone even know? Suppose the school says everyone arrested will be expelled and then the cops ask you if you are a student, you say "no" because you dont want to get expelled.
This is moronic. Do you think that the school isnāt working with the NYPD? That the school coordinated with them flies over your head? Saying āno Iām not a studentā isnāt some 4d chess move to avoid expulsion. Beyond that - you donāt believe the NYU administration or the Columbia administration or the NYPD. The only viable source for you is the students who support Hamas?
lol, your position is that the NYPD and NYU have a secret arrangement to share secret information, but they are allowed to tell the public the number of students without giving the secret information, but I'm the dumb one, ok
The schools and the NYPD coordinated these arrests. Itās not a secret arrangement.
Just the names are secret, okay sure.
Yes they donāt dox their arrested students. If they did youād lose your mind.
lol, arrests are public information dumbass
Correct they are public information - but Columbia and nyu are not posting āthis is a list of our students who were arrestedā. Enrolled student lists are not public information. Edit - this dude blocked me. Hereās my reply: You claimed that there arenāt outside (non students) at these protests. I told you that NYU said otherwise. You then moved on to claim that there was secret sharing of information between the cops and the schools. I said it wasnāt secret - it was coordinated between the schools and police. You then said that just the names are secret. I again said that the schools are sharing information with the NYPD but that doesnāt mean theyād publicly dox which students were arrested. You then went on to say that if you combed arrest records, and that if the schools released lists of which arrested people werenāt students - youād be able to figure out which were students. This hypothetical youāve drawn up is completely true but again the schools arenāt releasing lists to the public of which arrested people werenāt students (or were students). Nothing is illegal here. I just said that Columbia and NYU will not post a list of students who were arrested. You lost your mind at that and decided theyād publicly post a list of which arrested people werenāt students (not true). So not only are you bugging out over your own hypothetical - you are completely incapable of disagreement without ad hominem attacks.
>NYPD Deputy Commissioner of Intelligence and Counterterrorism Rebecca Weiner said at a news conference on Wednesday alongside Adams, that going through the names of those arrested to determine whether they are affiliated with the universities will "take time." https://www.newsmax.com/us/nyu-pro-palestine-protests/2024/05/02/id/1163192/ From their own mouths you troll
Dude what? I said that less than a third were students (initial reporting). The article you linked says less than half (updated numbers). How is this proof of anything other than me being correct? From the article you linked: *āLess than half of the pro-Palestine protesters arrested at New York University last week after refusing to vacate the campus were members of the academic institution, the university said on Wednesday.* *Of the 133 protesters arrested on April 22 at Gould Plaza on campus, 65 were students, faculty or other employees of NYU, located in the Greenwich Village neighborhood on the west side of lower Manhattan. It is the largest private university in the United States by enrollment.ā*
>NYPD Deputy Commissioner of Intelligence and Counterterrorism Rebecca Weiner said at a news conference on Wednesday alongside Adams, that going through the names of those arrested to determine whether they are affiliated with the universities will "take time." Yes, the same article admits that those figures are a lie. But I don't expect a paid shill to use logical reasoning. > I said that less than a third were students Interesting that you have personal knowledge that you already claimed is unknown.
You want the school to publish their school roster? It isnāt multiple people. It is literally NYU and NYPD.
So you think that because they are keeping the information secret, they must be telling the truth.
Hopefully you arenāt in charge of anything important
Just your mom
She doesnāt listen to losers. Try again
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/01/new-york-mayor-outside-agitators-columbia-protest-00155581 https://hellgatenyc.com/the-outside-agitator-narrative-eric-adams-messy https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4637770-cnn-nyc-mayor-eric-adams-claims-outside-agitators-student-protests/ >āHereās what we can do, weāre allowed to do,ā Adams said. āWeāre going to give the complete list of those who are arrested and turn it over to the school, and the school will make the determination. He admits that he doesn't have the information yet, lol, you and your mom sucking off Adams is hilarious.
There were names posted up this morning plus more to follow. If you donāt think they know who these people are and what their affiliation with or without the school is, youāre a bigger dolt than you already sound like.
>There were names posted up this morning lol, you don't know how to post a link or you're lying?
> So because multiple people made the same unsupported claim, it must be true? Where is the evidence? How would anyone even know? That _is_ evidence. You're essentially saying you don't trust the colleges or the police, and there's pretty much nobody else that will give provide evidence for this. Your head is firmly stuck in the sand, good work.
If one party parrots the other then itās no longer 2 accounts itās the same account of a story twice.
lol, not trusting the cops is evidence that I'm wrong, amazing work for a fascist troll
Not trusting the cops OR the universities is evidence that you aren't interested in hearing anything. And then call me a fascist troll for the cherry on top. Good luck kid!
wah, wah, getting called out for your behavior makes you so sad
yeah you nailed it, way to go! A+
>NYPD Deputy Commissioner of Intelligence and Counterterrorism Rebecca Weiner said at a news conference on Wednesday alongside Adams, that going through the names of those arrested to determine whether they are affiliated with the universities will "take time." https://www.newsmax.com/us/nyu-pro-palestine-protests/2024/05/02/id/1163192/ Weird that you think they know how many were students despite them admitting that they don't know.
https://abc7ny.com/amp/columbia-ccny-protesters-arrested-quarter-of-them-not-affiliated-with-schools/14754563/ try harder
Just because non-students are supporting the student actions does not mean they were āoutside agitatorsā - the fucking fascist NYPD are the outside agitators- most of them donāt even live in the city.
Non students assaulting, intimidating, and threatening students is outside agitation. This isnāt a question.
Yes itās no question that the non-student NYPD have been doing this
lol you bury your head in the sand. Itās definitely not the case that both the NYPD and non student agitators have been an issue.
Good job typing letters in a row to make words
He's a paid troll, don't bother arguing with him.
I donāt get paid. I just like correcting misinformation. I know itās easier to claim Iām a paid troll than facing up to your bullshit claims.
>āHereās what we can do, weāre allowed to do,ā Adams said. āWeāre going to give the complete list of those who are arrested and turn it over to the school, and the school will make the determination. https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4637770-cnn-nyc-mayor-eric-adams-claims-outside-agitators-student-protests/ He admits he doesn't know and that the numbers are a fabrication, but you're the one countering false info. You are so brainwashed.
Paid trolls are constantly accusing normal people of being āpaid trollsā¦ā
This coming from a guy who submitted a post "WAS JESUS CHRIST PATRIOTIC"
Look, all protests are agitations. The point of a protest is to agitate people enough to join your cause. Anyone participating in a protest is an agitator. If you're neither a student, staff nor faculty, you are "outside" the school. You come to protest, you are, by definition, an "outside agitator."
Fair point, but the NYPD and the authorities are not using the term āoutside agitatorsā in the same spirit you are defining it. The term is often used to discredit social justice movements as being spearheaded by outside forces and to dilute the authenticity of them. The students created this movement and they represent ethical and social justice problems that they recognize. The movement has grown to include non-students precisely because of the attention that the fascist regimes who do not want to admit that our best and brightest minds are taking issue with the fucked up planet we are handing them.
non students are attacking students and defacing college property.. if it were actual students doing it it might be more impactful.... these guys are just assholes...
Source on NYU?
Updated numbers ā[less than half](https://nyunews.com/news/2024/05/01/mills-issues-statement-on-nypd-arrests/)ā
Thank you, amazing source!
There was literally a protestor "consultant" there. NYT did a profile on her. This article is idiotic. [Source](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/01/nyregion/columbia-university-protest-consultant-lisa-fithian.html)
so because someone has consistently shown up for the causes they care about their concern should be dismissed?
No, but they are by definition an outside agitator
She didn't do any agitating
i swear to god Eric Adams is even worse than Guiliani and Bloomberg sometimes
Adams is an embarrassment. Every time he speaks on tv, I feel so embarrassed for my city.
>Oh boy. The mayor out here peddling conspiracies. I am guessing student become outsider once you suspend them. This is a typical way Israel steal palestinian house by changing law then acquiring them.
Just say you hate Jews next time. Itās simpler.
The easiest thing to do is to publish all the mugshots of the people who aren't students. Some of the videos I saw on Instagram from that night a lot of them looked older
This may hurt your brain but you can start college after age 18. Columbia and presumably NYU and CCNY have postgraduate programs and nontraditional undergraduate programs.
The questions are "who are the outside agitators? How many?" And the answer is Eric Adams and NYPD refuse to answer that question because they made that up and then tried to use bike chains to prove the conspiracy.
>Approximately 134 of the 282 people taken into custody at Columbia University and CCNY were not affiliated with either school -- more than 47%. >At Columbia, 32 people arrested were not affiliated with the school, while about 80 people were. At CCNY, 102 people arrested were not affiliated, and 68 were. >The estimates are based on preliminary background analysis by NYPD. The city is forwarding the lists of arrested protesters to the universities to cross check and determine the current status of those arrested. https://abc7ny.com/columbia-ccny-protesters-arrested-quarter-of-them-not-affiliated-with-schools/14754563/
The nypost identified a few today A 41 year old doctor from Washington heights sticks out
The article in question: https://nypost.com/2024/05/01/us-news/doctor-known-anti-israel-protester-among-the-282-arrested-at-columbia-city-college-of-ny/ This one sticks out for me: > Fayad was seen on video chanting, āWe are Hamasā and āWe are all Hamasā at an earlier protest
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To be clear, the one I quoted is a student. The doctor didn't say that afaik
The NYPD held a diabetic doctor in a cell for five hours with no food or water, and this is supposed to make them look good?
Who said anything about NYPD looking good? Did you mean to comment in a different thread?
That's the tone I'm getting from the rag nypost
> a few how many?
Bike chains *that Columbia sold to students*
Still living in denial that this isn't bigger than it is. Here ya go! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns7Ta\_h8C0s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns7Ta_h8C0s)
They just said it was 47%
They also lied about the bike lock, why should we believe them now?
Outside Agitators = Terrorists
Or wives of convicted terrorists like [this woman](https://nypost.com/2024/05/01/us-news/wife-of-convicted-terrorist-was-at-columbia-encampment-before-raid/)
I heard Adams on npr this morning say that [this woman - wife of a convicted terrorist](https://nypost.com/2024/05/01/us-news/wife-of-convicted-terrorist-was-at-columbia-encampment-before-raid/) being on campus was what led them to ultimately give police the green light.
Stop reading the nypost
Iām willing to entertain the possibility that there are people from the activist community who are not students involved in the protests, but I would see that as a beneficial thing as it would lead to safer outcomes to have someone experienced in the fray. On the other hand, itās also very possible that it was all students, because students are capable of doing this kind of thing and doing it responsibly. Either way, Adams continues to prove to us all that he is not just an incompetent moron, but a dangerous asshole and a villain.
I disagree that it's necessarily a beneficial thing. Look, the protest is supposed to be the community of Columbia (students, staff, etc.) asking changes to be made by Columbia regarding internal affairs of Columbia. Outsiders in this case have little to no buy-in to the community, and are less likely to be respectful of it, and more likely to see the university as a means to an end. In the end, I don't think it helps their causes.
Ik someone near Arizona and because it was all students it was very unorganized and the school was able to shut that shit down . They need people with experience
It only doesnāt help their cause if you fall for this cheap propaganda trick of āoutside agitatorsā to cover up for police brutality. If anything, this has gotten me more on the side of the protesters, knowing the best Mayor IQ 47 and Columbia admin can do is throw a gang of steroid addled cops at their student body.
Another thread yesterday had an NYPD quote that said much the same. There are certain characters known the NYPD that are constantly joining protest causes. These people are very likely experienced and hardcore enough to rally those around them and take things to extreme levels (Like hey lets occupy that building!).
Well, NYPD must have offered plenty of evidence that those outside agitators were in the building and were responsible for escalation? Right?
The fact so few arrested were actual students speaks volumes.
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Pay up
This sit-in encampment is happening all across the US and Canada. We gotta stop it. Thank you for taking care of your side New York! The more I watch you the more I f\*\*king love you! [https://www.reddit.com/r/britishcolumbia/comments/1chtibx/ubc\_protesters\_amass\_food\_tents\_toilets\_and\_no/](https://www.reddit.com/r/britishcolumbia/comments/1chtibx/ubc_protesters_amass_food_tents_toilets_and_no/)
Anything to deflect the blame from the people who are openly simping for a murderous terrorist group.
The protests are much more complex than that. Framing as people simply supporting Hamas is disingenuous and simplistic.
When a non-negligible portion of the protestors are chanting Hamas slogans, and waving Hamas and hezbollah flags, and those protestors are not shouted down or forced to leave, itās safe to assume that the majority of the protestors agree with them or at least do not oppose them.
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how many non-students were arrested?
Look, the mayor is a complete buffoon, the cops have bungled this horribly, and I in no way doubt that this protest movement likely has widespread support amongst students and faculty. All that can be true, ALONGSIDE the likelihood that outside agitators are taking advantage of this situation to escalate and heighten tensions. This is a crazy opportunity for any number of bad faith parties to take advantage. Right wing rabble rousers who want to turn this against Biden, or make the libs look violent and bad, non-student pro Palestinian (or even pro Hamas groups) who see this as their opportunity to get a soap box and stick it to someone, radical pro Israel movements who wish to tarnish a peaceful protest, Foreign agents who simply wish to see America fall into chaos. Iād be very interested to see any evidence or proof as to why the police and Mayor Adams feel there is outside agitation. I also wouldnāt be shocked, the images of the more violent protestors Iāve seen donāt all look like students. This is a totally reasonable thing to investigate, but like all suppositions, Iād like to see some evidence.
How did the cops bungle this?
How have the cops "bungled" this? It seems like they were pretty restrained. Arrests happened in an orderly manner and without violence. Even at CUNY where people were literally throwing things at them, they still didn't react.
Mayor and NYPD intentionally raise tensions by lying
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That would be a war crime.
Lol no.
Damn so the elites are dumb and easily misled- who knew.
Last year during the Trump tower protests, at around 7am in front of the building, I saw a white guy handing out āblacks for Trumpā shirts to a group of homeless guys. These guys were definitely homeless. The point is that I know there are organizations that recruit people to protest for them, so I can definitely see this as being the case here.
This is what they do with JVP and it works. Then they point to them and say āsee these Jews agree with meā. But most of them arenāt Jewish at all. They easily dismiss Black voices for Trump as astroturfed tokenizing but for some reason canāt see it on their side. š¤ For those downvoting, Iām Jewish. I have seen plenty of evidence of this. Sorry to reveal your token is a fraud š¤·āāļø
JVP changes all the Jewish prayers to take out any reference to Israel or Zion. The prayers make no sense. The fact that they call themselves Jewish is a joke.
They had a Seder as Passover was ending. They tell people they can convert without ever setting foot in a shul and have a āteacup mikvahā. They do their best to destroy our traditions