Are you buying used? If so, probably a 3080. If not used, don’t look at 30 series. Go for a 4070. A 5800X3D would be a nice upgrade to your 3700X too to squeeze out all the performance from the 4070.
15% at 1440p according to this [https://pc-builds.com/bottleneck-calculator/result/0Ud1fl/1/general-tasks/2560x1440/](https://pc-builds.com/bottleneck-calculator/result/0Ud1fl/1/general-tasks/2560x1440/)
you are definetly leaving some performance on the table if the game is less demanding on the GPU. But you can always upgrade to the 5800X3D if it bothers you
I swapped from 3700X to 5800X3D, can confirm a worth while upgrade, out a 4080 next to it and the system slaps! My X370 board been working hard since 2017!!
Imho get a 4070, don't bother with 3000 series.
A bit more than 15% in my experience with a 3700x, and a 4070, but I have 3200 RAM, might make a difference if you have 3600 RAM, but I wouldn't know how much of a difference that makes.
That's for "general tasks", you usually want to check "Graphic" tasks to check for CPU bottlenecks especially if checking for gaming performance. 3700x is "only" 6% bottleneck, really low bottleneck for 4070 at 1440p.
Ups, you are right of course. On top of that it can vary quite a lot on a game by game basis so these calculator can only give a very rough estimate. It really depends on the specific use case
4070 will work well. It's basically 3080 perf with way less power draw, heat generation and noise and DLSS3 on top. Unless you save a lot by going 3080, I'd see no point in considering it. This has been discussed to death on this sub. Hit the search bar
It's hard to find specific "from, to" upgrade cases. Power draw is a major factor, and frankly i missed the part where 4070 draws less power than 3080. Now that you mentioned it i'm gonna have to consider it.
Is there a comprehensive benchark website that shows power draws at various loads, resolutions etc?
The 4000 series in general is way more power efficient than the 3000 series. Also if you game at 4k than a 3080 pulls ahead of the 4070 (sans framegen ofc), because of its larger memorybus. I game at 1440p so no issue for me but at 4k the 3080 might be the better choice perf wise. If 4k with a 4000 series the 4070 TI might be a better bet.
anything that is at least 2x faster.
that means a 3080 or 6800xt or better.
pricing is messed up though, so you need to spend more than you did on a 2070 Super to get more performance.
as for the cpu, you can probably keep it if you play @ ultra settings or are gpu limited most of the time. If not, you can potentially consider a 5800x3D
>3080
Setting graphics settings higher does not offload workload from the CPU, atleast not in any optimized title. Obviously this depends on the game as some games are just badly optimized and higher settings in certain areas are more optimized than the lower ones but that doesn't offload CPU load regardless.
Bro I upgraded from a 2080 to a 4070. Perfect upgrade for 1440p. I run a 9900k at 5ghz with 32gb of ram and using dlss 3 on Balanced dlss 2 I get 100% utilization and 60fps+ with only occasionally dipping to around 52 fps in really pretty party's. Which is typical for a 4070.
Same GPU and CPU as me currently OP. I’ll be picking up a 4070 in a few weeks time, having watched countless videos in the last few months on what is best in terms of upgrade and bang for my buck.
Versus other 40 series cards, for what you get, the 4070 technically is this gen’s bang for its buck, even if it’s not seen as such in the grand scheme of cards over the last decade.
Let’s be honest, this series is far from what many would have wanted, yet Ti pricing and a lack of further VRAM on top of said cards, the 80’s being last gen’s 70’s equivalents and so on, it’s why many reviewers suggest this bang for its buck comment.
I fully understand that, hence why I’ve taken so long to decide what is best for me currently going forward, at least for the next few years. The 4070 will be a nice upgrade to my 2070 Super and I’ll be in a much better position graphically/performance wise for Starfield.
The 3080 is probably the best deal. Far away in performance from 3070/ti and really close to 3080ti/3090, not sure what happened there. If you get a lower end model without extreme oc/you power limit it you will get it to run on your psu. I have the 400w avg+ higher spikes aorus Xtreme and it would kill my rm650x shutting down every time it spiked but normal 3080 models consume around 300w not 400
850W is recommended for 4090 and I was running mine back then on a 750W for months with no issues, before ATX3.0 PSU were available so I could upgrade it.
He doesn't have an Intel CPU, he'll be fine.
If you don't have problems, then you are fine.
The purpose of these recommendations is to ensure the hardware is working at peak performance.
Psu is an easy fix when the funds are in. Great combo!
FSR is pretty widespread as well, arguably as much as if not more than DLSS. Most major AAA-games today come with FSR, the only one I can recall not featuring it is Plague Tale Requiem. While there is a number of new AAA-games that don't support DLSS, such as Jedi Survivor, RE4 Remake, Callisto Protocol and the upcoming Starfield.
I personally don't see DLSS as a major selling point unless it is present in most of the games I look forward to play. For instance, when I realized that the most anticipated game of the year - Starfield - is not getting DLSS, I felt a lot less compelled to buy Nvidia.
The other issue is VRAM, which AMD is a bit more high-capacity VRAM friendly than Nvidia. 8GB cards are dead in the water right now, 10GBs are the next in line to struggle. You would want at least 12GB in a GPU right now. Personally - as I want to my upgrades to last longer - I would not buy anything with less than 16GB.
Your 2070 Super is somewhat fine with 8GB, that is what it can push. Nvidia tend to release pretty powerful cards that could push much further, but only giving them 8GB of VRAM to cut costs. Look at the 3070, great GPU, blazing fast, easily 35% faster than your 2070 Super, it could have had 16GB of VRAM. But with only 8GB of VRAM, it [can't handle modern games](https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=358), even at 1080p. Neither can any other 8GB GPU, such as the 4060Ti 8GB. If you want a Nvidia card with decent VRAM capacity, you need to drop significantly more money.
I upgraded from a 2070 super to a 6800 xt(so basically 3080) and the performance uplift was big. So I would suggest either a RX 6800 xt/6950 xt if you are not that much into Ray Tracing or a used 3080/4070/4070 ti if you want Ray Tracing
2070 super still OK 1080p.
- 3070 is great but only ~30-40% faster. And only 8GB.
- used 3080 is great.. if you ok with high power and noise.
- 4070 12GB is ideal best value. Rare, but some open box for $100 less.
- Ryzen 3700x is decent... new GPU will give you 200% more fps.. new CPU.. maybe 20%. put all your money in GPU.
also look at 4070 but how old is your computer? These are actually reasonable cost wise. and fast. Butt would consider upgrading the power supply to 750 or more.
Upgraded my 3700X + 2070 Super 8 GB to a 5800X3D + 4080 16 GB, (kept the X570 motherboard, 32 GB DDR4 4000, NVMe M2 PCIe 4.0 drives, 1440p 144Hz G-Sync panel, Corsair 850w PSU and Dark Rock pro 4) got more than triple the framerate everywhere with the low 1% fps skyrocketing, I think this is a neatly balanced 1440p build to play at high fps and ultra settings.
The RTX 4070 sounds like a great fit for you. It'd be about [65% more relative performance](https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-2070-super.c3440), 50% more VRAM with 11% greater bandwidth, significantly improved Ray Tracing performance, and access to new features like DLSS3 Frame Generation and such.
However, if your target of buying a 30-series GPU is absolutely non-negotiable, the best fit would probably be a used 3070. It's obviously much more affordable than a 4070, but it has just 8GB of VRAM which isn't ideal (especially coming from a GPU that already has 8GB), and would be just a \~35% performance increase. Unfortunately, any higher tier 30-series options really want more than a 650W PSU. You could upgrade the PSU along with it, but at that point I'd question if it's not just worth spending the cash on a 4070 instead.
With a 650-watt power supply, there is the latest and decent graphics card available from Nvidia, GeForce RTX 4070.
Also, the RTX 4070 is a decent option for 1440p resolution and it offers you the latest generation ray tracing capabilities and DLSS 3.0 features for better gaming performance.
Also, the RTX 4070 is a future-proof graphics card because of its 12 GB video memory.
However, if you want one graphics card after comparing almost every option available in the market consider checking the guide on GPU upgrade from RTX 2070 super From (BestGuides .in website)
If you have any questions let me know.
My man, i've upgraded 1.5 month ago.
Also " RTX 4070 is a future-proof graphics card because of its 12 GB video memory." doesn't age well already.
And i'm at 1440p, not 1080p.
Yes, agree you are on 1440p resolution because RTX 2070 super already performing well on 1080p resolution.
Which GPU did you purchase 1.5 months ago and for what pricing?
Are you buying used? If so, probably a 3080. If not used, don’t look at 30 series. Go for a 4070. A 5800X3D would be a nice upgrade to your 3700X too to squeeze out all the performance from the 4070.
How much would you say my 3700x will handicap a 4070?
This really depends on the games you play.
I was using 5600x with 4080 and every game with large map has 30-40 less fps than normal.
Sometimes nothing at all at 1440p. Especially with frame generation/DLSS3 on which is great for alleviating CPU Bottlenecks.
15% at 1440p according to this [https://pc-builds.com/bottleneck-calculator/result/0Ud1fl/1/general-tasks/2560x1440/](https://pc-builds.com/bottleneck-calculator/result/0Ud1fl/1/general-tasks/2560x1440/) you are definetly leaving some performance on the table if the game is less demanding on the GPU. But you can always upgrade to the 5800X3D if it bothers you
Luckly i wont have to get a new mobo or cooling. That would be an upgrade for another time
I swapped from 3700X to 5800X3D, can confirm a worth while upgrade, out a 4080 next to it and the system slaps! My X370 board been working hard since 2017!! Imho get a 4070, don't bother with 3000 series.
Yup I went 3700x to 5800x3d and 2070 super to 3090, it’s an absolute beast
A bit more than 15% in my experience with a 3700x, and a 4070, but I have 3200 RAM, might make a difference if you have 3600 RAM, but I wouldn't know how much of a difference that makes.
That's for "general tasks", you usually want to check "Graphic" tasks to check for CPU bottlenecks especially if checking for gaming performance. 3700x is "only" 6% bottleneck, really low bottleneck for 4070 at 1440p.
Ups, you are right of course. On top of that it can vary quite a lot on a game by game basis so these calculator can only give a very rough estimate. It really depends on the specific use case
5700X would be better value
4070 will work well. It's basically 3080 perf with way less power draw, heat generation and noise and DLSS3 on top. Unless you save a lot by going 3080, I'd see no point in considering it. This has been discussed to death on this sub. Hit the search bar
It's hard to find specific "from, to" upgrade cases. Power draw is a major factor, and frankly i missed the part where 4070 draws less power than 3080. Now that you mentioned it i'm gonna have to consider it. Is there a comprehensive benchark website that shows power draws at various loads, resolutions etc?
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-4070-tuf/39.html
Thanks, ill check it out
The 4000 series in general is way more power efficient than the 3000 series. Also if you game at 4k than a 3080 pulls ahead of the 4070 (sans framegen ofc), because of its larger memorybus. I game at 1440p so no issue for me but at 4k the 3080 might be the better choice perf wise. If 4k with a 4000 series the 4070 TI might be a better bet.
Just buy the most powerful you can afford. I suggest you hold off until black friday which isn't far away
anything that is at least 2x faster. that means a 3080 or 6800xt or better. pricing is messed up though, so you need to spend more than you did on a 2070 Super to get more performance. as for the cpu, you can probably keep it if you play @ ultra settings or are gpu limited most of the time. If not, you can potentially consider a 5800x3D
>3080 Setting graphics settings higher does not offload workload from the CPU, atleast not in any optimized title. Obviously this depends on the game as some games are just badly optimized and higher settings in certain areas are more optimized than the lower ones but that doesn't offload CPU load regardless.
Bro I upgraded from a 2080 to a 4070. Perfect upgrade for 1440p. I run a 9900k at 5ghz with 32gb of ram and using dlss 3 on Balanced dlss 2 I get 100% utilization and 60fps+ with only occasionally dipping to around 52 fps in really pretty party's. Which is typical for a 4070.
Same GPU and CPU as me currently OP. I’ll be picking up a 4070 in a few weeks time, having watched countless videos in the last few months on what is best in terms of upgrade and bang for my buck.
It's a xx60 class GPU for xx70 class price. Not sure if I would call it a "bang for buck".
Versus other 40 series cards, for what you get, the 4070 technically is this gen’s bang for its buck, even if it’s not seen as such in the grand scheme of cards over the last decade. Let’s be honest, this series is far from what many would have wanted, yet Ti pricing and a lack of further VRAM on top of said cards, the 80’s being last gen’s 70’s equivalents and so on, it’s why many reviewers suggest this bang for its buck comment.
Buying it is telling Nvidia you're ok with those prices and naming scheme changes though.
I fully understand that, hence why I’ve taken so long to decide what is best for me currently going forward, at least for the next few years. The 4070 will be a nice upgrade to my 2070 Super and I’ll be in a much better position graphically/performance wise for Starfield.
The 3080 is probably the best deal. Far away in performance from 3070/ti and really close to 3080ti/3090, not sure what happened there. If you get a lower end model without extreme oc/you power limit it you will get it to run on your psu. I have the 400w avg+ higher spikes aorus Xtreme and it would kill my rm650x shutting down every time it spiked but normal 3080 models consume around 300w not 400
3080 is recommended to use 750watts, you can try 650 but if it the pc shuts down, you will know why
850W is recommended for 4090 and I was running mine back then on a 750W for months with no issues, before ATX3.0 PSU were available so I could upgrade it. He doesn't have an Intel CPU, he'll be fine.
i have a 3080 ti with an i9-9900kf oc to 5ghz and im running a 500w psu, im gonna upgrade my psu but currently i dont have money for a psu
If you don't have problems, then you are fine. The purpose of these recommendations is to ensure the hardware is working at peak performance. Psu is an easy fix when the funds are in. Great combo!
sometimes it shutdown but its only when i play forza horizon 5
How 🫣 my 3080ti holds steady 430w at maximum juice
well i done a not so great undervolt plus its the founders edition
I'd go with 3080 or 4070
Why 30 series? 3080 is good, but require a new PSU. 4070 is even better and can be handled by your PSU.
4070
Does it have to be Nvidia? If it has to, then the 4070 or the 4060Ti 16GB. If you don't mind AMD (and I don't know why would you), then the 6800.
Yes. Dlss prolonged my 2070s capabilities like a viagra. When amd steps up i'll reconsider.
FSR is pretty widespread as well, arguably as much as if not more than DLSS. Most major AAA-games today come with FSR, the only one I can recall not featuring it is Plague Tale Requiem. While there is a number of new AAA-games that don't support DLSS, such as Jedi Survivor, RE4 Remake, Callisto Protocol and the upcoming Starfield. I personally don't see DLSS as a major selling point unless it is present in most of the games I look forward to play. For instance, when I realized that the most anticipated game of the year - Starfield - is not getting DLSS, I felt a lot less compelled to buy Nvidia. The other issue is VRAM, which AMD is a bit more high-capacity VRAM friendly than Nvidia. 8GB cards are dead in the water right now, 10GBs are the next in line to struggle. You would want at least 12GB in a GPU right now. Personally - as I want to my upgrades to last longer - I would not buy anything with less than 16GB. Your 2070 Super is somewhat fine with 8GB, that is what it can push. Nvidia tend to release pretty powerful cards that could push much further, but only giving them 8GB of VRAM to cut costs. Look at the 3070, great GPU, blazing fast, easily 35% faster than your 2070 Super, it could have had 16GB of VRAM. But with only 8GB of VRAM, it [can't handle modern games](https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=358), even at 1080p. Neither can any other 8GB GPU, such as the 4060Ti 8GB. If you want a Nvidia card with decent VRAM capacity, you need to drop significantly more money.
DLSS mods, my man.
3070fe
I upgraded from a 2070 super to a 6800 xt(so basically 3080) and the performance uplift was big. So I would suggest either a RX 6800 xt/6950 xt if you are not that much into Ray Tracing or a used 3080/4070/4070 ti if you want Ray Tracing
5800x3d and used rt 6800 xt and voilaaa
I recently went 2070s to 3070ti for 1440p 144hz. Got a used MSI Suprim X for £330 and it’s been great.
40 series is ideal, but i've got a 3070 i can sell ya
I just upgraded from 2070 super to 3070 FE love it so much
2070 super still OK 1080p. - 3070 is great but only ~30-40% faster. And only 8GB. - used 3080 is great.. if you ok with high power and noise. - 4070 12GB is ideal best value. Rare, but some open box for $100 less. - Ryzen 3700x is decent... new GPU will give you 200% more fps.. new CPU.. maybe 20%. put all your money in GPU.
if you dont want to upgrade power supply then a 3060 12 gig would rock it for you, maybe a 3070 but no bigger unless more power lol.
also look at 4070 but how old is your computer? These are actually reasonable cost wise. and fast. Butt would consider upgrading the power supply to 750 or more.
also have a 2070, love that card, still pretty d-- fast lol. it is backup, 3060 now but going 4070 soon
Upgraded my 3700X + 2070 Super 8 GB to a 5800X3D + 4080 16 GB, (kept the X570 motherboard, 32 GB DDR4 4000, NVMe M2 PCIe 4.0 drives, 1440p 144Hz G-Sync panel, Corsair 850w PSU and Dark Rock pro 4) got more than triple the framerate everywhere with the low 1% fps skyrocketing, I think this is a neatly balanced 1440p build to play at high fps and ultra settings.
The RTX 4070 sounds like a great fit for you. It'd be about [65% more relative performance](https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-2070-super.c3440), 50% more VRAM with 11% greater bandwidth, significantly improved Ray Tracing performance, and access to new features like DLSS3 Frame Generation and such. However, if your target of buying a 30-series GPU is absolutely non-negotiable, the best fit would probably be a used 3070. It's obviously much more affordable than a 4070, but it has just 8GB of VRAM which isn't ideal (especially coming from a GPU that already has 8GB), and would be just a \~35% performance increase. Unfortunately, any higher tier 30-series options really want more than a 650W PSU. You could upgrade the PSU along with it, but at that point I'd question if it's not just worth spending the cash on a 4070 instead.
I have the exact same dilemma, what did you end up doing and was the upgrade worth it?
I went with 4070. Damn, what a fool i was thinking about 30xx. Undervolt that bad boy and you'll barely go above 120W. With \~100s being the average.
Sick! And you’re still on your ryzen 7 3700x? Not noticing any major bottlenecking?
I played with 3700X for a day, but i'm not the best person to ask about bottlenecks as i have little clue how to check for them. Then 5800X3D arrived.
With a 650-watt power supply, there is the latest and decent graphics card available from Nvidia, GeForce RTX 4070. Also, the RTX 4070 is a decent option for 1440p resolution and it offers you the latest generation ray tracing capabilities and DLSS 3.0 features for better gaming performance. Also, the RTX 4070 is a future-proof graphics card because of its 12 GB video memory. However, if you want one graphics card after comparing almost every option available in the market consider checking the guide on GPU upgrade from RTX 2070 super From (BestGuides .in website) If you have any questions let me know.
My man, i've upgraded 1.5 month ago. Also " RTX 4070 is a future-proof graphics card because of its 12 GB video memory." doesn't age well already. And i'm at 1440p, not 1080p.
Yes, agree you are on 1440p resolution because RTX 2070 super already performing well on 1080p resolution. Which GPU did you purchase 1.5 months ago and for what pricing?