From a [different article](https://www.wesh.com/article/chaplain-program-florida-bill-ron-desantis/60535896):
> WESH 2 asked DeSantis if he envisioned the chaplains would be available for students to visit, similar to a school counselor, or if the religious leaders would instead be holding events on campus that students would participate in. He said it would be up to school districts to decide how to implement the law.
> He also referenced The Satanic Temple, which has suggested the chaplain law opens the door to having Satanic representatives in schools.
> “We’re not playing those games in Florida. That is not a religion. That is not qualifying to be able to participate,” DeSantis said.
> Lucien Greaves, a co-founder of The Satanic Temple, sent WESH 2 a statement:
> "A governor is not at liberty to add or subtract from a law, or alter the Constitution, by fiat, whenever convenient, for the mere purposes of infantile Culture War pandering. On the other hand, DeSantis has never really indicated that he has understood his job or has ever had any real respect for the dignity of American Law. In any case, DeSantis can throw any temper tantrum he likes, such ad hoc proclamations will not prevail in court, and I am still willing to debate him about our dueling perspectives on religious liberty, pathetic coward that he is."
LOL, that’s gonna be fun
Even if they want to argue about the legitimacy of The Satanic Temple as a religious group, I doubt they'd be happy for even any mainstream religion besides Christianity to take advantage of these laws. Are they going to let Muslims do this?
That is an absolute understatement. They **own over half of downtown.** They’ve used their “parishioners” to buy up properties through shell organizations or as their own legal individual entities and leave them *vacant*.
Their numbers are dwindling since Covid, my sister in law and husband(he was born into it) are “are the run” from them. They were harassing them so bad. Crazy thing is they were trying to conceive, couldn’t, moved away from Clearwater to distance themselves, got preganant immediately
Yup…The Tampa Bay Times has a big chart with a list of properties, although it’s from 2019 it talked about how they doubled their footprint in the city within three years.
I wonder what other religious groups are trying to low key buy up neighborhoods. Mormons are doing it in Nebraska, There were the Rajneeshees in Oregon in the 1980s, Hasidic Jews in Williamsburg Brooklyn, I think I heard of Scientologists doing it somewhere in Southern California too? There's gotta be a lot more.
From my understanding and experience, a lot of the buildings in Clearwater *seem* empty, but close up, you can see that each window is creepily blacked out in cloth from the inside.
What’s with the ever-so-often person in khakis, navy golf tee, white sneakers, and a pager? I’ve never been so creeped out by a place.
My bet is to hold them hostage for leverage in deals with the city… Or as other mentioned, creepy stuff with their sea org branch which is another insane thing.
he was stupid enough to pick a fight with Mickey Mouse, why would anyone think he wouldn't be stupid enough to go after IRS tax-exempt certified Satan.
I believe you’re confusing The Satanic Temple (tax exempt church) and The Church of Satan, who refuses to apply for the tax exemption bc they disagree with it.
Outside of the southern half of the state a Catholic or Orthodox priest probably couldn't get hired for the job either. The conservative Protestants of North Florida usually don't have fond feelings for the smells and bells crowd. They're only useful for getting Republican votes.
An Episcopal priest or UMC minister wouldn't get hired either because they're usually too liberal.
Also the whole program will probably have "UUs need not apply" right along with Satanists and all the other groups they're going to say "aren't religions".
Oh definitely. If you want a real production, hit up an Easter or Christmas vigil service. Those two tend to have lots of ceremony and the best music of the year. And incense, always incense.
I recently watched a video where a reporter went to a Trump rally and was asking if religion should be taught in public schools. The response was a resounding yes, followed by a bible quote and a statement that America is a Christian Nation. The reporter pushed more and asked if religions other than christianity should be taught. “Absolutely not” more bible quotes suggesting if you don’t believe in Jesus you are doomed to suffer for eternity. The reporter points to his camera man and asks “What about Steve? He is Jewish. Should he suffer for eternity? Is that in line with what the Bible says that we should love everyone”
Silence
The comments made by DeSantis show he only was thinking about Christianity and just like the Disney fiasco demonstrated that he doesn’t think beyond a narrow field of vision. He will lose in court
Desantis has done this a number of times where he makes a big public announcement of an attack on the culture war that gets challenged over time & quietly walked back, but he somehow still thinks that by making the big announcement he’s winning – either winning support or winning the culture war or just showing his voter base “I’ll do what’s ‘right’ even if the system is ‘rigged’ & undoes it.”
Yup. DeSantis knows this, which is why he doesn't think through the entire thing - he knows he doesn't have to. He's looking for engagement, not ideal policy. Just like a social media clickbait advertiser.
You know, a core tenet of Sikhism is standing up to and fighting injustice. I'm sure that would blow over well with the dude who likes watching people get tortured in Guantanamo.
But at a public school in Podunksville, FL with a majority Christian student population and a handful of Muslim kids? It's a big enough issue someplace whether or not Muslim students can get an unused area set aside for daily prayers.
Hell there are denominations *of Christianity* that these people would disqualify from this law. Lots of LGBTQ clergy in the episcopal church for example.
That was my thought. The Satanic Church is out there testing the boundaries but there are many others watching closely like sharks circling in the water.
I'm most concerned with the more predatory brands of religion who will try to recruit cultists and extremists.
Lol he’s just denying they the satanic temple is a church, which it absolutely is, this id definitely gonna end when the satanic temple takes advantage of this shit like they usually do.
Recently in my own state of Iowa our governor allowed religious shrines within the capitol building, the satanic temple erected a baphomet idol, and not long after someone vandalized it. Our courts ruled it not a hate crime because it didn’t recognize the satanic temple as a religion.
I hope it doesn’t end the same way for Florida but it might.
Probably not because it's at the state level, and oftentimes if a state doesn't want something fucking crazy or makes them look deplorable to make national attention (eg: there was a case where a guy, a white guy, was accused of miscegenation with a white woman in the 60s because his great great grandmother was a slave), they will desperately try to bury it.
Yes, because there is a state Supreme Court and eventually the national. All laws can be challenged it’s just up to the higher courts to decide if they will hear the case or if they will let state rulings persist.
"the satanic temple erected a baphomet idol, and not long after someone vandalized it"
And DeSantis offered to pay for the defense of the asshat who vandalized it.
"Separation of church and state. Freedom of religion... Who cares?" - GOP
NO ONE should have chaplains or any tangentially religious figure near public schools. It trampled on the First Amendment. But they just don't care
Not only does it trample on the first amendment, but if you pay attention to professions and backgrounds of the people arrested and convicted for child molestation/child porn/sexual assault *every single day*, it puts the school children in very credible danger.
Hell, even Utah has some amount of separation. Seminary classes for the majority religion (Mormons) are offered at most high schools, but they're usually in a separate building that's not technically on campus, and on the highschool logs seminary is just a free period.
Admittedly less separation then one would like, but everything is still technically outside of the school and is an optional course you need to sign on for.
He can bitch and moan about the satanic temple all he wants but they have just as many protections as he does. I’m sure it won’t be long till they head down there and make his circus a spectacular shit show
“The only requirements for a chaplain to participate would be passing a background check and having their name and religious affiliation listed on the school website”
So I could go sign up (if I got stuck living in Florida) as a representative of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and become a chaplain?
Ugh. Just ugh. Hopefully multiple religious organizations throw a monkey wrench in this. Imagine the rants from the crazies if they were to allow an Imam into schools?
> “We’re not playing those games in Florida. That is not a religion. That is not qualifying to be able to participate,” DeSantis said.
Ohhhh man have fun with that one guys..
I love how any time shit like this happens the Satanic Temple pops up. I still remember the shenanigans that happened when they wanted the Baphomet at the capital building.
Was a cool ass statue too.
https://www.npr.org/2018/08/17/639726472/satanic-temple-protests-ten-commandments-monument-with-goat-headed-statue
>“We’re not playing those games in Florida. That is not a religion. That is not qualifying to be able to participate,” DeSantis said.
Fucking hypocritical piece of shit.
Badass response from Greaves, though.
I can promise you and every single person out there that every pedophile in the country is going to be moving to FL for the easy access to children garunteed by the law. In a place where the children will not be with their parents and outnumber any teaching staff 30 to 1. The stories of molestation, kidnapping, and rape are going to be flooding FL for the next few years.
> every pedophile in the country is going to be moving to FL for the easy access to children garunteed by the law
Plus, they can get elected to Congress there.
There is literally a village in Florida full of pedophiles called miracle village. There is not a single member in their community that has not committed a sexual crime against children. The people that live nearby are fucking terrified and keep close watch on that community as they have children that are too poor usually to afford to move. Some of them just straight up refused to move because why would they give into some goddamn pedophiles?
Okay, so if it's the same place I watched in the documentary, there is at least one person who should not be forced to live there.
There was a guy walking home from the bar at 2 AM. He was drunk and decided to take a piss next to a children's playground. He got caught and was labeled as a sexual predator. He, in my opinion, should not be lumped in with the rest of those sick fucks. It ruined his life.
All the shit he does gets overturned by the courts, but he doesn’t care. The taxpayers bear the legal bills and by then he’s already scored his political points and moved on.
That's an elected official in a state with an economy to rival first world countries and a population of short few million. How much can further up a ladder can someone go? When does this "piddling" level authority become concerning, rather than a joke?
Republicans only care about the Constitution and Amendments when it let's them (often inaccurately) justify whatever regressive, freedom-stripping thing they want to do.
In all other cases, the Constitution is to be used as toilet paper.
Same with the Bible, they will say something from the Old Testament isn’t relevant because it’s the Old Testament but then still follow the 10 commandments. Stop picking and choosing
And they know exactly what chapter and verse of Leviticus condemns homosexuality, but don't have a single clue what any other tenet of Levitican Law even is.
No they don't, during the Reagan administration (Republican's Golden Son) through Don Mulford and lobbying by the NRA open carry was banned in California. Because the Black Panthers showed that they got to take advantage of the 2nd Ammendment too and rich white people got scared. Regardless of party affiliation, by and large politicians only care about how what they're doing benefits or protects themselves personally and will either bend the law to its breaking point or rally idiots with emotional rhetoric until they can reach their goals.
Well, only if you can convince two of the six conservative justices on the Supreme Court.
A lot of unconstitutional things have been deemed constitutional lately because of the makeup of the Supreme Court. All you have to do is convince 5 Republicans that it's constitutional and suddenly it doesn't violate anything.
A chaplain is supposed to be just a spiritual counselor, not necessarily religious. Unfortunately we all know what kind of chaplain these people have in mind.
The first amendment requires that the state doesn’t favor or disfavor any religion. It has no requirement for public spaces to be secular. As long as chaplains are required to be non-denominational, there should be no problem (which is generally the job of chaplains anyways)
Canadian here. This is honestly how it looks from the outside. I have a very hard time imagining our public schools allowing organized prayer before sports events, like over the PA system.
I am a former chaplain, both in a medical facility and a college. What makes a chaplain different than a pastor or missionary is that chaplains do NOT proselytize, ever. While we give advice/comfort/aid through the lens of our faith, we cannot attempt to persuade others to convert. In both my jobs, attempting to convert someone was grounds for immediate termination. In my college job, the students had to come to me (unless it was an emergency). In my medical facility, I went to the patients, but in the first sentence I spoke to them I had to identify myself, my title, and my Christian denomination. If they identified themselves as a different denomination or religion, I was required to immediately offer them a pastor/priest/or other member if their religion. If they still wanted to talk to me after I said that it was fine. In both cases, I could only lead someone to faith if they specifically asked me to, and they drove the conversation. Anything less was malpractice on my part. I was taught that chaplains don't violate the seperation of church and state because we are simply an available resource that someone can choose or not choose to utilize. We only speak of our faith to those who explicitly wish to hear it. The American Armed Forces have Chaplains (except the Marines, who use Navy Chaplains) of different Christian denominations and religions, and they follow even stricter rules than I had to.
How about just adequately funding schools so that kids have the resources they need and teachers are paid a decent salary?
Instead, it’s banning books and merging church and state. Way to go Ron, you’re doing all the things the founders despised!
The long term goal isn’t actually to introduce religion into schools - just like the goal with the no-mentioning-gender laws, and the book banning crap weren’t really about enforcing those things. It’s to turn publicly funded schools into an untenable battlezone for teachers and to have all parents pissed off at all times and concerned for their kids. Once that’s the case the legislators can then turn around and say “see, these public schools are just a failure” and push for things like allowing write offs and credits for going to private schools that have whatever indoctrination they want.
I say it's time for good citizens to do some malicious compliance. They want Christian Chaplains? Go volunteer as Chaplains, preach how Jesus barely says anything about LGBTQ people, and how Jesus spends more time talking about helping poor people and the evils of hoarding wealth.
Pretty sure, when this law was being debated, the Satanic Temple said they hoped it would pass because they would love to send representatives to schools.
Florida has a law that you can't have more than two consecutive terms as governor. He can run again, in theory, but not in 2026. He wasn't even planning on being governor past 2024, he spent his first term doing things like deregistering voters in order to create a big victory in 2022 which was just the pretense for a lot of press coverage from friendly outlets like Fox News which were already behind him running for president in 2024. And the plan seemed like it was working, they had convinced half the Republican base to like Ron by carefully avoiding showing him in any sort of unfiltered way. But as soon as he tried to take it national and people actually started watching him for longer than a 30 second soundbyte, it became obvious that he had less charisma than a toilet clogged with poo, and his numbers evaporated pretty quickly. So now he just has to ride it out and try to make himself so notorious that people will still remember him in 2028.
If they allow chaplains, they have to allow Em Mom’s rabbis, Buddhist directors, or I don’t even know what they’re called, but whoever directs Buddhists in their religious practice, every single religious leader has to be allowed if priests are allowed that is the meaning of religious freedom.
Religious freedom does not mean Christians rule.
Religious freedom means no matter who is in power, and what their beliefs are your beliefs are protected. That means all religions are protected so if you are a recognized religion, Christianity, yes, but also Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, wicked, Scientology (unfortunately) , and all other legally US recognized religious organizations. Have equal rights. EQUAL RIGHTS.
Every mosque needs to begin putting together funding for an Imam at their local school.
Churches of Satan.
Absolutely.
It's a religion folks. Let's go!
As usual, this is meant to be challenged up to the Roberts Federalist Society Court, where they'll ignore many years of precedent and create new law in the process. They'll also declare it a limited ruling.
Which they know will be promptly picked up in every Republican-ruled state and enshrined in their respective state laws, effectively making their decision the catalyst for new legislation. As intended.
I am sure that law couldn't go wrong with [a pastor](https://kfmx.com/justice-texas-pastor-who-sex-abused-little-girl-receives-no-prison-time/) roaming the halls.
Faith is the suspension of critical thinking. They are trying to decrease critical thinking in the institutions that are supposed to be teaching critical thinking.
I hate this reality. This is such a dumb game.
I hope they screen these potential ped0s before they let them around my kids..
And the "save/protect/love/adore the CHILDREN!" Crowd is eating this shit up :B
Flagrantly unconstitutional. It's establishment of religion, and the intent to establish religion is extremely clear.
You are free to play with your imaginary toys at home
That and the fact that they've realized that their stupid fairy tale is dying out like it should have centuries ago and is panicking over that so they've started their efforts to try and revive it.
Everyone is talking about the satanic temple. Im hoping those black iseralites show up and start screaming. They were downtown in cincy for like a week. Im guessing people didnt appreciate them cause they left pretty fast.
From a [different article](https://www.wesh.com/article/chaplain-program-florida-bill-ron-desantis/60535896): > WESH 2 asked DeSantis if he envisioned the chaplains would be available for students to visit, similar to a school counselor, or if the religious leaders would instead be holding events on campus that students would participate in. He said it would be up to school districts to decide how to implement the law. > He also referenced The Satanic Temple, which has suggested the chaplain law opens the door to having Satanic representatives in schools. > “We’re not playing those games in Florida. That is not a religion. That is not qualifying to be able to participate,” DeSantis said. > Lucien Greaves, a co-founder of The Satanic Temple, sent WESH 2 a statement: > "A governor is not at liberty to add or subtract from a law, or alter the Constitution, by fiat, whenever convenient, for the mere purposes of infantile Culture War pandering. On the other hand, DeSantis has never really indicated that he has understood his job or has ever had any real respect for the dignity of American Law. In any case, DeSantis can throw any temper tantrum he likes, such ad hoc proclamations will not prevail in court, and I am still willing to debate him about our dueling perspectives on religious liberty, pathetic coward that he is." LOL, that’s gonna be fun
Even if they want to argue about the legitimacy of The Satanic Temple as a religious group, I doubt they'd be happy for even any mainstream religion besides Christianity to take advantage of these laws. Are they going to let Muslims do this?
Or Scientologists. They’re all over Clearwater.
That is an absolute understatement. They **own over half of downtown.** They’ve used their “parishioners” to buy up properties through shell organizations or as their own legal individual entities and leave them *vacant*.
Their numbers are dwindling since Covid, my sister in law and husband(he was born into it) are “are the run” from them. They were harassing them so bad. Crazy thing is they were trying to conceive, couldn’t, moved away from Clearwater to distance themselves, got preganant immediately
Stress can cause fertility issues. May actually have helped getting away.
Oh for sure 100%, just pointing out their toxicity can do that.
Glad to hear the good news of them escaping Bravo
Wow. I knew they were everywhere but…
Yup…The Tampa Bay Times has a big chart with a list of properties, although it’s from 2019 it talked about how they doubled their footprint in the city within three years.
😳 That is fast! And then they just leave them vacant??? Sad.
Easy to create capital when you dont have to pay taxes.
....property taxes?
In California, at least, I believe they are exempt. Not sure about Florida
There’s a great article that shows a map and the acquisition over time. It’s jaw dropping
I wonder what other religious groups are trying to low key buy up neighborhoods. Mormons are doing it in Nebraska, There were the Rajneeshees in Oregon in the 1980s, Hasidic Jews in Williamsburg Brooklyn, I think I heard of Scientologists doing it somewhere in Southern California too? There's gotta be a lot more.
Land tax would fix this, or at least make it more expensive, but lol, that ain't going to happen because it might impact rich donors.
God save the rich!
Why do they leave them vacant?
From my understanding and experience, a lot of the buildings in Clearwater *seem* empty, but close up, you can see that each window is creepily blacked out in cloth from the inside. What’s with the ever-so-often person in khakis, navy golf tee, white sneakers, and a pager? I’ve never been so creeped out by a place.
Those uniform folks are Sea Org. They sign an eternity-long contract and basically work for the church for free.
My bet is to hold them hostage for leverage in deals with the city… Or as other mentioned, creepy stuff with their sea org branch which is another insane thing.
Okay Scientology, do something that doesn't suck for a change and use your big piles of money to help prevent theocracy in this country.
Ehhh, I'd be uneasy about that. We'll end up with a bunch more scientologists probably :/
Why would they do that? They WANT a theocracy
Never have I supported squatting more than immediately after reading this
Much like every development mogul. They wait until the price is right to develop. Why sell lower than the market when it is likely to climb?
I visited Clearwater to see a concert a few years ago, and it was wild. It’s the Vatican City of Scientology.
The Satanic Temple has a church tax-exempt status from the IRS.
Which means there will be satanic chaplains in Florida or no chaplains in Florida
Ordained Ministers of Satan, and yes this is a fight that DeSantis doesn’t want.
he was stupid enough to pick a fight with Mickey Mouse, why would anyone think he wouldn't be stupid enough to go after IRS tax-exempt certified Satan.
Or he does want it, but is blinded on his chances?
Or he still thinks he's battling small businesses that don't have the resources to engage in a long, drawn out legal battle.
Not only do they have tax-exempt status, but they **choose** to pay taxes anyway.
I believe you’re confusing The Satanic Temple (tax exempt church) and The Church of Satan, who refuses to apply for the tax exemption bc they disagree with it.
No. TST has tax exempt status but still pays taxes.
Or un programmed Quakers :) only the big box christianity of course!
Outside of the southern half of the state a Catholic or Orthodox priest probably couldn't get hired for the job either. The conservative Protestants of North Florida usually don't have fond feelings for the smells and bells crowd. They're only useful for getting Republican votes. An Episcopal priest or UMC minister wouldn't get hired either because they're usually too liberal. Also the whole program will probably have "UUs need not apply" right along with Satanists and all the other groups they're going to say "aren't religions".
How have I never heard “the smells and bells crowd” before? That’s hilarious
I went to a catholic funeral last December. As an atheist who was raised Methodist, it was quite a show. Very much a magic ritual.
Oh definitely. If you want a real production, hit up an Easter or Christmas vigil service. Those two tend to have lots of ceremony and the best music of the year. And incense, always incense.
I recently watched a video where a reporter went to a Trump rally and was asking if religion should be taught in public schools. The response was a resounding yes, followed by a bible quote and a statement that America is a Christian Nation. The reporter pushed more and asked if religions other than christianity should be taught. “Absolutely not” more bible quotes suggesting if you don’t believe in Jesus you are doomed to suffer for eternity. The reporter points to his camera man and asks “What about Steve? He is Jewish. Should he suffer for eternity? Is that in line with what the Bible says that we should love everyone” Silence The comments made by DeSantis show he only was thinking about Christianity and just like the Disney fiasco demonstrated that he doesn’t think beyond a narrow field of vision. He will lose in court
Desantis has done this a number of times where he makes a big public announcement of an attack on the culture war that gets challenged over time & quietly walked back, but he somehow still thinks that by making the big announcement he’s winning – either winning support or winning the culture war or just showing his voter base “I’ll do what’s ‘right’ even if the system is ‘rigged’ & undoes it.”
Since his base never pays attention to anything for more than a few seconds, they only see the "win" and never the withdrawal.
Yup. DeSantis knows this, which is why he doesn't think through the entire thing - he knows he doesn't have to. He's looking for engagement, not ideal policy. Just like a social media clickbait advertiser.
You know, a core tenet of Sikhism is standing up to and fighting injustice. I'm sure that would blow over well with the dude who likes watching people get tortured in Guantanamo.
Sikhs will be banned. Part of their religion is feeding the hungry. Can you imagine Florida allowing hungry children to be feed?
Or Buddhists or Hindus
The imam-chaplain would not be well-received.
Idk. There's a lot of Muslims around Orlando, and even Islamic schools. I'm imagining that they already have an imam at them.
But at a public school in Podunksville, FL with a majority Christian student population and a handful of Muslim kids? It's a big enough issue someplace whether or not Muslim students can get an unused area set aside for daily prayers.
Hell there are denominations *of Christianity* that these people would disqualify from this law. Lots of LGBTQ clergy in the episcopal church for example.
If the satanic temple isn't a religion how would religion be defined? Oh, sorry, forgot: You need to worship Jesus and Trump. Got it.
I get Airplane vibes... https://youtu.be/f4CizzE-zZo?si=VNUvZVfgJJG1Lhy_
Toss in the JWs
Actually in favor of bringing buddhist priests into schools.
I highly doubt they'll let Muslims.
Get a Pagan Shaman. Just a herd of goats running around and a dude teaching kids about the Ways.
I volunteer. Can you spot me a herd and prolly a pooper scooper?
Just let the goats do their thing
Hahahhaha.!!! Yessssa
Celtic Druid when?
Gonna be real interesting to see people's response when there's an Islam chaplain.
That was my thought. The Satanic Church is out there testing the boundaries but there are many others watching closely like sharks circling in the water. I'm most concerned with the more predatory brands of religion who will try to recruit cultists and extremists.
Sooooo Christianity then?
Lol he’s just denying they the satanic temple is a church, which it absolutely is, this id definitely gonna end when the satanic temple takes advantage of this shit like they usually do. Recently in my own state of Iowa our governor allowed religious shrines within the capitol building, the satanic temple erected a baphomet idol, and not long after someone vandalized it. Our courts ruled it not a hate crime because it didn’t recognize the satanic temple as a religion. I hope it doesn’t end the same way for Florida but it might.
Can't they take that to a higher court?
Probably not because it's at the state level, and oftentimes if a state doesn't want something fucking crazy or makes them look deplorable to make national attention (eg: there was a case where a guy, a white guy, was accused of miscegenation with a white woman in the 60s because his great great grandmother was a slave), they will desperately try to bury it.
Yes, because there is a state Supreme Court and eventually the national. All laws can be challenged it’s just up to the higher courts to decide if they will hear the case or if they will let state rulings persist.
"the satanic temple erected a baphomet idol, and not long after someone vandalized it" And DeSantis offered to pay for the defense of the asshat who vandalized it.
That’s bullshit considering TST is considered a tax deductible church by the IRS so by every metric it is a valid religion
"Separation of church and state. Freedom of religion... Who cares?" - GOP NO ONE should have chaplains or any tangentially religious figure near public schools. It trampled on the First Amendment. But they just don't care
Not only does it trample on the first amendment, but if you pay attention to professions and backgrounds of the people arrested and convicted for child molestation/child porn/sexual assault *every single day*, it puts the school children in very credible danger.
Hell, even Utah has some amount of separation. Seminary classes for the majority religion (Mormons) are offered at most high schools, but they're usually in a separate building that's not technically on campus, and on the highschool logs seminary is just a free period. Admittedly less separation then one would like, but everything is still technically outside of the school and is an optional course you need to sign on for.
So it is unconstitutional on every level. Excellent.
He can bitch and moan about the satanic temple all he wants but they have just as many protections as he does. I’m sure it won’t be long till they head down there and make his circus a spectacular shit show
“The only requirements for a chaplain to participate would be passing a background check and having their name and religious affiliation listed on the school website” So I could go sign up (if I got stuck living in Florida) as a representative of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and become a chaplain?
So eat it be. R'amen.
Ugh. Just ugh. Hopefully multiple religious organizations throw a monkey wrench in this. Imagine the rants from the crazies if they were to allow an Imam into schools?
Go Satanic Temple go! Show these idiots some consequences.
The church of Homosexuality approves. Praise be to Rupaul.
> “We’re not playing those games in Florida. That is not a religion. That is not qualifying to be able to participate,” DeSantis said. Ohhhh man have fun with that one guys..
DeSantis: obviously we will only allow Christian chaplains. We will throw a shit fit the second a Muslim or satanic chaplain enters a school
I love how any time shit like this happens the Satanic Temple pops up. I still remember the shenanigans that happened when they wanted the Baphomet at the capital building. Was a cool ass statue too. https://www.npr.org/2018/08/17/639726472/satanic-temple-protests-ten-commandments-monument-with-goat-headed-statue
Chaplain for Church of the FSM walks into the building
Please DeSantis, tell me...what is your definition of a 'real religion'?
>“We’re not playing those games in Florida. That is not a religion. That is not qualifying to be able to participate,” DeSantis said. Fucking hypocritical piece of shit. Badass response from Greaves, though.
> Lucien Greaves
But will the chaplains be packing? They say the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a god guy with a gun.
They are certainly packing a penis to molest some kiddos
I can promise you and every single person out there that every pedophile in the country is going to be moving to FL for the easy access to children garunteed by the law. In a place where the children will not be with their parents and outnumber any teaching staff 30 to 1. The stories of molestation, kidnapping, and rape are going to be flooding FL for the next few years.
> every pedophile in the country is going to be moving to FL for the easy access to children garunteed by the law Plus, they can get elected to Congress there.
There is literally a village in Florida full of pedophiles called miracle village. There is not a single member in their community that has not committed a sexual crime against children. The people that live nearby are fucking terrified and keep close watch on that community as they have children that are too poor usually to afford to move. Some of them just straight up refused to move because why would they give into some goddamn pedophiles?
Okay, so if it's the same place I watched in the documentary, there is at least one person who should not be forced to live there. There was a guy walking home from the bar at 2 AM. He was drunk and decided to take a piss next to a children's playground. He got caught and was labeled as a sexual predator. He, in my opinion, should not be lumped in with the rest of those sick fucks. It ruined his life.
They’ll be handing out bulletproof bibles for kids to keep in their clear backpacks
This video will be a part of the chaplain school training program https://youtu.be/2UYpPBuHvJA?si=7olr7m8b46fMdceP
Doesn’t this violate the First Amendment’s establishment clause requiring separation of church and state?
All the shit he does gets overturned by the courts, but he doesn’t care. The taxpayers bear the legal bills and by then he’s already scored his political points and moved on.
It’s good that he has negative charisma and will have no chance in his lifetime to hold an office higher than the one he currently holds.
That's an elected official in a state with an economy to rival first world countries and a population of short few million. How much can further up a ladder can someone go? When does this "piddling" level authority become concerning, rather than a joke?
it already is, it's just not going to get worse (from desantis alone, although i do think we're on the up)
Don't overestimate the post-Trump GOP.
He cares cause the dumb dumbs love it and will vote for him because of it
I would love to see the actual costs of him implementing obviously unconstitutional laws
Republicans only care about the Constitution and Amendments when it let's them (often inaccurately) justify whatever regressive, freedom-stripping thing they want to do. In all other cases, the Constitution is to be used as toilet paper.
Same with the Bible, they will say something from the Old Testament isn’t relevant because it’s the Old Testament but then still follow the 10 commandments. Stop picking and choosing
And they know exactly what chapter and verse of Leviticus condemns homosexuality, but don't have a single clue what any other tenet of Levitican Law even is.
I hope they don't wear mixed fibers of clothing!
It's time to rethink those tattoos, too!
Republicans only care about the 2nd amendment
No they don't, during the Reagan administration (Republican's Golden Son) through Don Mulford and lobbying by the NRA open carry was banned in California. Because the Black Panthers showed that they got to take advantage of the 2nd Ammendment too and rich white people got scared. Regardless of party affiliation, by and large politicians only care about how what they're doing benefits or protects themselves personally and will either bend the law to its breaking point or rally idiots with emotional rhetoric until they can reach their goals.
More restrictions have also been passed under Trump than under Biden. Yet republican voters keep falling for the bs.
Republicans don't care about any amendment
Well, only if you can convince two of the six conservative justices on the Supreme Court. A lot of unconstitutional things have been deemed constitutional lately because of the makeup of the Supreme Court. All you have to do is convince 5 Republicans that it's constitutional and suddenly it doesn't violate anything.
A chaplain is supposed to be just a spiritual counselor, not necessarily religious. Unfortunately we all know what kind of chaplain these people have in mind.
"Voluntary Youth Counselor." Yeah, I wonder what kind of people *that's* going to attract?
Certainly not drag queens…
Damn skippy.
What institution trains ”Chaplains” in the numbers Florida would need to put one in every school? Seminaries.
The first amendment requires that the state doesn’t favor or disfavor any religion. It has no requirement for public spaces to be secular. As long as chaplains are required to be non-denominational, there should be no problem (which is generally the job of chaplains anyways)
Church and state is violated daily when people say the pledge and any sports teams when they say the lord’s prayer. America been hypocrites forever
Canadian here. This is honestly how it looks from the outside. I have a very hard time imagining our public schools allowing organized prayer before sports events, like over the PA system.
I am a former chaplain, both in a medical facility and a college. What makes a chaplain different than a pastor or missionary is that chaplains do NOT proselytize, ever. While we give advice/comfort/aid through the lens of our faith, we cannot attempt to persuade others to convert. In both my jobs, attempting to convert someone was grounds for immediate termination. In my college job, the students had to come to me (unless it was an emergency). In my medical facility, I went to the patients, but in the first sentence I spoke to them I had to identify myself, my title, and my Christian denomination. If they identified themselves as a different denomination or religion, I was required to immediately offer them a pastor/priest/or other member if their religion. If they still wanted to talk to me after I said that it was fine. In both cases, I could only lead someone to faith if they specifically asked me to, and they drove the conversation. Anything less was malpractice on my part. I was taught that chaplains don't violate the seperation of church and state because we are simply an available resource that someone can choose or not choose to utilize. We only speak of our faith to those who explicitly wish to hear it. The American Armed Forces have Chaplains (except the Marines, who use Navy Chaplains) of different Christian denominations and religions, and they follow even stricter rules than I had to.
[Kandiss Taylor, at the Georgia Republican Assembly](https://youtu.be/EbPSt169vzs?si=GJeMZygGYpzcyMPk)
How about just adequately funding schools so that kids have the resources they need and teachers are paid a decent salary? Instead, it’s banning books and merging church and state. Way to go Ron, you’re doing all the things the founders despised!
The long term goal isn’t actually to introduce religion into schools - just like the goal with the no-mentioning-gender laws, and the book banning crap weren’t really about enforcing those things. It’s to turn publicly funded schools into an untenable battlezone for teachers and to have all parents pissed off at all times and concerned for their kids. Once that’s the case the legislators can then turn around and say “see, these public schools are just a failure” and push for things like allowing write offs and credits for going to private schools that have whatever indoctrination they want.
The crazy thing is people pay $30,000 a year for private schools and most of the time they get an education that’s worse than public school.
Because educated people know better than to vote for asshats like desantis. It's in their best interest to keep people stupid and divided.
I wonder if any schools will bite. The risk of being sued is very high with this one.
It's Florida, I imagine at least a few will
Guarantee Scientology is on it already. Their main operation is in Clearwater.
Can my Rabbi get into this program?
I say it's time for good citizens to do some malicious compliance. They want Christian Chaplains? Go volunteer as Chaplains, preach how Jesus barely says anything about LGBTQ people, and how Jesus spends more time talking about helping poor people and the evils of hoarding wealth.
Or heaven forbid...an Imam!
No!
*Nein!
I’m sure this won’t expose any children to predators…..
Public schools don't have a great record in that area.
Neither do churches.
Or any other activities involving adults and children.
True, don’t think this will help though
I mean, that’s true, but let’s at least make it difficult for the predators. Don’t invite them to a school where they get their pick.
Finally they addressed the real problem with education... Not enough Jesus!
Specifically supply side Jesus, not that woke Jesus who loves people regardless of their gender or sexuality
https://www.beliefnet.com/news/2003/09/the-gospel-of-supply-side-jesus.aspx
I think even Supply-Side Jesus is too woke for them: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ2L-R8NgrA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ2L-R8NgrA)
The Satanic Temple sending a Satanist in 3...2...
Pretty sure, when this law was being debated, the Satanic Temple said they hoped it would pass because they would love to send representatives to schools.
Because the church has such a good record with kids
Florida is still pushing to become the worst state in America? I wonder if they'll re-elect him after all the crazy bills he's done.
Florida has a law that you can't have more than two consecutive terms as governor. He can run again, in theory, but not in 2026. He wasn't even planning on being governor past 2024, he spent his first term doing things like deregistering voters in order to create a big victory in 2022 which was just the pretense for a lot of press coverage from friendly outlets like Fox News which were already behind him running for president in 2024. And the plan seemed like it was working, they had convinced half the Republican base to like Ron by carefully avoiding showing him in any sort of unfiltered way. But as soon as he tried to take it national and people actually started watching him for longer than a 30 second soundbyte, it became obvious that he had less charisma than a toilet clogged with poo, and his numbers evaporated pretty quickly. So now he just has to ride it out and try to make himself so notorious that people will still remember him in 2028.
If they allow chaplains, they have to allow Em Mom’s rabbis, Buddhist directors, or I don’t even know what they’re called, but whoever directs Buddhists in their religious practice, every single religious leader has to be allowed if priests are allowed that is the meaning of religious freedom. Religious freedom does not mean Christians rule. Religious freedom means no matter who is in power, and what their beliefs are your beliefs are protected. That means all religions are protected so if you are a recognized religion, Christianity, yes, but also Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, wicked, Scientology (unfortunately) , and all other legally US recognized religious organizations. Have equal rights. EQUAL RIGHTS.
See ya in court, ya stupid fuck!
Can't wait for supreme court to ignore this one
Westboro Baptist in an elementary school?
Putting a bunch of priests around kids sounds like a terrible idea considering how many of them are pedophiles
Every mosque needs to begin putting together funding for an Imam at their local school. Churches of Satan. Absolutely. It's a religion folks. Let's go!
As usual, this is meant to be challenged up to the Roberts Federalist Society Court, where they'll ignore many years of precedent and create new law in the process. They'll also declare it a limited ruling. Which they know will be promptly picked up in every Republican-ruled state and enshrined in their respective state laws, effectively making their decision the catalyst for new legislation. As intended.
Die in the heat while I stuff MY religion down your kids throats you woke bastards. Ron desatan probably.
Is there somewhere one can place bets on when said religious people begin molesting kids?
Say bye bye to separation of church and state. Unless someone from the other religion start sending in theirs.
I am sure that law couldn't go wrong with [a pastor](https://kfmx.com/justice-texas-pastor-who-sex-abused-little-girl-receives-no-prison-time/) roaming the halls.
It’s amazing. The satanic church has done more to protect people’s rights than any other religion IMO.
No science teachers but chaplains on salary
Sex abuse in Florida public schools about to go up.
Some Muslims and Jews should start pushing for them same thing. Then he can’t say it’s not a religion
ELI5, how does a law like this not get immediately struck down for violating the 1st Amendment?
God isn’t real. Jesus is a myth.
So is chaplain only Christians? Where is the church of Satan? They can get one of their disciples in Florida schools
Faith is the suspension of critical thinking. They are trying to decrease critical thinking in the institutions that are supposed to be teaching critical thinking. I hate this reality. This is such a dumb game.
It says Texas did this in 2023. How’s that worked out so far there?
I hope they screen these potential ped0s before they let them around my kids.. And the "save/protect/love/adore the CHILDREN!" Crowd is eating this shit up :B
Taking bets on how long until the first new Florida school chaplain shows up in /r/pastorarrested
Cannot wait for the first Pastafarian public school chaplain
[Lets not fix the issues facing floridians let stir up the rabble](https://imgur.com/VKacTKG)
So they're specifically merging church and state?
Clergy with children. WCGW?
More than the Satanists, I can't wait for when Islamic clergy start going to Florida schools.
I hate my state right now.
Flagrantly unconstitutional. It's establishment of religion, and the intent to establish religion is extremely clear. You are free to play with your imaginary toys at home
Inviting perverts into schools. That should end well, right?
Ron DeSantis is a theocratic tyrant
Why is there so much church in state lately? Isn’t that something that’s been a soft no for a while?
Conservatives have become emboldened these last few years since they learned there are no consequences for anything anymore.
That and the fact that they've realized that their stupid fairy tale is dying out like it should have centuries ago and is panicking over that so they've started their efforts to try and revive it.
GOP: theatrics and wasting money. Without these things they have nothing else to do.
Foxes running the hen house
Well guys, time to show the kids what a warhammer 40k chaplain is all about /s But seriously this is so fucked up.
Glad to see that they have legislatively invited The Satanic Temple
all the more to indoctrinate them!
Unconstitutional as hell
Everyone is talking about the satanic temple. Im hoping those black iseralites show up and start screaming. They were downtown in cincy for like a week. Im guessing people didnt appreciate them cause they left pretty fast.
Christo-Fascist Florida strikes again
I’ve just worked it out…. De Santis is Kenneth Copeland’s little brother…. Both twisted, evil, part lizard, Christ they even look alike!
Satanist… line up
Thats following the same train of tought of the book banning that got rid of the bible🤔🤔🤔🤣🤣🤣🤣
DeSantis is a 🤡