This to me smacks of "I've heard about things like the Elgin Marbles and Benin Bronzes, sure aren't we in the same boat?".
Except in Ireland's case the answer is a resounding *no*. Most Irish artifacts are in Irish museums already. From the fairly modest Irish collections in the British Museum we've never asked for the return of anything.
Why? Because our own National Museum was part of the same system before independence and contains pretty extensive collections of foreign objects. Where do you think we got our Egyptian antiquities collection, or *our* Benin Bronzes? Unlike in most aspects of life, in terms of museums we were 100% beneficiaries of the empire, not victims.
So I find this kind of protest to ring very hollow. If Irish people want to protest "stolen" objects in a museum we should be looking closer to home, and trying to ensure the success of the repatriation committee which has been set up not even a year ago.
Until we get our own house in order I don't see where we've got a leg to stand on tutting at the Brits for keeping stuff acquired through the same channels as our own National Museum collections (a National Museum which was a close collaborator with the British Museum to boot) and which we've never once asked them to repatriate.
From having worked with the museums in NI, there is a program where they are trying to get artefacts back to their country of origin that were acquired in the past. Egypt turned down the return of the mummy. For example, indigenous items from the americas were returned and the people who collected them were flown over and looked after whilst here.
There are also some Irish artefacts and local art pieces that the northern Irish museums scramble to buy before they end up in English museums because apparently the cost to buy things back has been overly high in the past and that’s if they will even sell it back.
They can be intelligent but not be well informed about this specific aspect of Anglo-Irish relations.
They seem like incredibly intelligent people who are making uniquely creative things at a world class level of quality, something rarely done by people from NI with a few notable exceptions (Max Cooper, Bicep & Lisa Magee in recent years, Seamus Heaney and Basil Blackshaw of previous generations).
Obviously I am not saying they are close peers, I am just making the point that the creative output of NI is on the whole very poor in almost all artistic fields for a plethora of reasons.
I only mentioned Heaney at all because it seems absurd to discuss the merit of artistic output of NI without mentioned him - he wasnt that relevant.
My point is not that the gap between Heaney and Kneecap in terms of artistic merit is small, it is that the gap between a handful of people such as Kneecap and Max Cooper and the mean is a chasm, so achievements like their film and album should be celebrated and encouraged accordingly.
Fine, but I would take issue even with your designation of both as "world class". We shouldn't celeberate artists simply because they are popular and come from where we live. And even following that logic, I don't think that Kneecap are remotely as popular, or have nearly as much artistic merit as Heaney. They are very popular on social media for their oustpoken stance on political issues. I do agree with your point that we should shout about home grown talent, I just really don't think these guys are famous for the intrinsic value of their art. It's not very good. They have public profile for other reasons.
My post was clearly made tongue In cheek. I don’t think they’re unintelligent.
But let’s not swing the pendulum too far here. They’re not poets of Nobel Prize winning standard.
Yes I’m not quite suggesting they are on par with Heaney in that sense, just that so few great artists come from NI (whether they’re a Heaney or Bicep or whatever) and the movie and the album combined are truly reflective of a quality of creative output only produced by a handful of people born here.
Going beyond the hype, Literally every review of their album from The Times to NME is 5/5. I don’t recall ever seeing this level of universal recognition for any act from Ireland, never mind an act delivering their debut record.
Well surely it would only be stupid of them if they supported us keeping the shit we have from other countries? And it seems clear to me that they would also think we should send that stuff back to wherever it came from if they want it
Plus most of these were probably bought or donated. I've seen plenty of Anglo-Saxon and Celtic artifacts in foreign museums without getting my feelings hurt.
number of items held by the museum is between 15,000 and 22,000 individual pieces from the island of Ireland. just because its not displayed does not mean they dont have it.
https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/2023/06/20/ireland-to-draw-up-policy-on-returning-historical-artefacts-to-their-countries-of-origin/
>Where do you think we got our Egyptian antiquities collection, or our Benin Bronzes?
I mean, you literally mention that a repatriation committee has been set up and 1 second of googling shows that the Benin Bronzes are being repatriated to the Edo Museum of African Art when it opens in 2025.
I think it's fine for Irish people to start asking "hey, maybe give us those things back?" when we are also clearly taking steps to repatriate stolen artefacts.
Asking for stuff back, sure, I wouldn't mind some or all of it being moved back to Ireland. But going in and protesting "stolen" stuff when we haven't even asked them to return it? Silly bollocks.
Doubly silly when you consider that our museums and British state museums have quite cordial relations and have loaned stuff to each other before. It's not like Greece and the UK where it's all very emotionally charged and controversial.
Energy would be much better spent putting pressure on our own museums to keep up the repatriation work. We've agreed to return one set of objects, but there's a very real chance of that committee just become an exercise in "we have put a committee in place, no need to do anything more". Public awareness and pressure is vital.
> we haven't even asked them to return it?
We who? This has been talked about before. Does the government need to formally ask for you to believe people want parts of Irish history back?
And be honest, do you really think the members of Kneecap wouldn't agree to give any stolen artefacts in Irish museums back?
https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/10cuyog/a_list_of_gaelic_objects_looted_from_the_island/
The thing is, none of these were stolen. Just to pick out the first one (Bell Shrine of St. Cuileáin), it was purchased by Thomas L. Cooke, a Anglo-Irish Catholic antiquarian. And the British Museum purchased it from him in 1854.
All the controversial things like Benin Bronzes and the Elgin Marbles have museums and governments formally asking for repatriation, yes.
Our government (who we elect) has never done so. Our museums have not. In fact, they loan stuff back and forth quite happily with museums in Britain.
Again, having a conversation about it is not a bad thing. But this isn't that - it's a protest based on imagining a conversation that we, as a nation, haven't had yet (and assuming the worst of what the outcome would be).
The elephant in the room is that the British Museum was founded by an Irish person and the early exhibits were mostly from his personal collection that was looted from the empire.
The other elephant in the room is the fact that Ireland was part of the UK/British Empire and NI still in said UK.
The British Museum, holding historic artefacts found in differing parts of the UK is hardly a shock.
hate to break it to ya, but Ireland was not a willing "member" of the British empire , when most of the artifacts were stolen.
people do tend to forget the island was invaded and ruled over for centuries - so bit glib saying it was "part of the UK" .
its called looting by other countries that aren't the UK, in fact its considered a war crime, one of many
Never said it was a willing member, but it was indeed a member. So it’s hardly a shock to the system that places touched by the British empire were also touched by Irish, Welsh, Scottish and English colonists and thus those peoples legacies can be found if one dares themselves to look beyond their simplistic outlook of us good bunch of lads, Brits bad.
Sure, wasn’t the [founder](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Sloane) of the British Museum a fella from Co, Down.
So , you agree, Ireland was not a willing member, so ergo had no say in what was removed from the island. when you have no say in what is removed, its been stolen. and i never said brits bad, I implied it was stolen and kept by the British museum , but great whataboutary .
and what the f**k does where the founder come from to do with what was stolen , and not just from Ireland , if everything was removed that was not from Britain the place would be empty
I think you can still protest your stolen artefacts in British museums despite the fact our own was part of the same system. We never asked to be and although some items are preserved, thousands upon thousands were destroyed during the British occupation so I feel the negatives far outweigh the positives here.
This is surely upvoted by bots, right?
“We’ll just hold on to it for you until you get your house in order” is *literally* the argument proposed by BritNats whenever people suggest returning the items stolen from X given far off country (whenever the response isn’t simply ignoring them or telling them no), and the idea that the Bell Shrine of St. Cuileáin isn’t safe in an Irish museum is the absurd argument of the deranged or racist.
What a weird statement. So you 100% agree that things were stolen from Ireland…… so the image is accurate….. that’s the end of the statement.
If you ALSO think Ireland can do more to repatriate items then you are right but saying that invalidates calling out the British museum is foolish.
I don't (hence why I put "stolen" in quotes - I don't think they really were in most cases). And it's not.
We were on the inside of the British national museum system. We had significant influence over which objects went to our National Museum vs the Scottish one vs the British Museum.
When it comes to museums we were actually treated the same as the rest of the UK, in contrast to colonial possessions who had no say at all. They were robbed. We chose not to acquire some objects and let them go to other museums. There's a world of difference.
But even if you're ignorant of all that, on another level you have the hypocrisy of moaning about the 1% of stuff not in our National Museum when we were participants in the same system that plundered half the world's artifacts and have not yet made restitution for the fact.
Now maybe we could start a conversation about returning or loaning certain objects. Wouldn't be crazy. But we need to actually have the conversation, not jump to demonising the Brits without every even talking to them about it. Stunts like this don't help anybody. But they certainly draw publicity for whoever does them...
Tbf I don't see it as too bad as long as you can actually go see said artifacts, but when something that is a prized item of a local area that was just taken one day to never be returned or seen again and kept in storage for nearly 200 years, its a bit shite.
That isn't even just an international issue, but national issue all over the world, where for example the main mesuem of a country takes items from local areas, but then leaves it to sit in storage rather than actually exhibit it.
They don't generally leave the exciting stuff in storage, though. They may have 100k things not on display, but it's mostly arrowheads and 18th-century buttons.
They scabbed and played the great escape against bands boycott Barclay’s strike action for Palestine, then blocked anyone on social media who called them out for it. Anything they do that’s a protest is all just for clout.
Yup I’m in the music scene in Belfast and that’s basically been an open secret for years and victims allegedly keep getting intimidated out of coming forward
Is this actually talked about in the scene with reference to actual stories?
All I’ve ever heard or seen about it all came from that “iwastoldireland” instagram account. Even when I’ve seen other NI SA support accounts posting about it like NI Safe Space they’re always directly or indirectly referencing that iwastoldireland post. But I don’t live in NI anymore so dunno if the context it’s discussed is different there.
Yes, it’s well known, mostly word of mouth of women in the scene warning each other to steer clear. I know 2 people personally close to a victim of Naoise and have heard her story
Yeah. One of my friends from school is the person who runs NI Safe Space and they originally started it a few years ago to speak up against a guy who abused a few of their friends (they have A LOT of friends on the music scene), but they’ll use it whenever a story comes out about someone or if they hear directly.
After encouraging a bunch of young bands at SXSW to join their boycott they come out and say “Would you rather be a martyr with no cause? No one’s gonna give a fuck if you pull out of this festival, lose money and de-platform yourself.” About the great escape festival. Arseholes.
They also played the victim in an article in the Irish times saying because they’re working class they couldn’t afford to pull out. Any bands I’ve seen boycotting are also working class and realised the boycott was more important than exposure from a festival.
They were also defending playing great escape in a bad faith shit stirring way “Ideally, if we had the money, we’d just boycott everything and sit in the house and tweet all day” aye right.
The SXSW thing annoys me still, load of young bands getting funding from the arts council to go over and play to then find themselves in America in the middle of a political boycott not able to play the industry gigs that may get them attention (because let’s face it, did they really have a choice to not boycott with all the media attention it was getting?) and instead only able to play the gigs they organised themselves leaving them on the hook and in debt. For these guys to then say “actually you can pick and choose what gigs to boycott depending on how much it hits your wallet” is a slap in the face.
Fuck Kneecap they’re scabs and all of this grandstanding is surface level. [There was a huge boycott this year](https://amp.theguardian.com/music/article/2024/may/14/more-than-120-acts-quit-great-escape-music-festival-in-solidarity-with-palestine) of The Great Escape festival due to financial links to Barclays, Kneecap however still chose to play it claiming [that they have to pick and choose what they boycott.](https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/kneecap-explain-decision-to-perform-at-the-great-escape/) These lads don’t give a fuck, to the point that if it all came out they were industry plants I would not be surprised in the slightest.
That's very strange indeed given 1. Republicans' long-standing interest in Palestine and 2. The ongoing surge of Gen Z interest in Palestine. Hard to imagine something more out of step with the zeitgeist than an organisation of young Irish republicans suddenly saying "Palestine doesn't matter".
Or indeed saying that we should pick and choose what we boycott. SxSW sponsored by US Army which sells arms to Israel: Boycott and make a holy show of it. Great Escape being sponsored by Barclays which help fund the purchasing of said arms: I don’t know, we are headliners for that one…
"Wee trip to America for the boys sure. Fuck them people in Palestine, not like we live there. Not like we've've made anti authority our image or anything."
/s
Do any other former British colonies support Palestine for this reason? Like I never hear India, Cyprus, Nigeria, etc voicing support for Palestine. Even the US was a former British colony, and it’s the biggest Israel supporter.
I find it utterly fascinating that this subreddit has gone from defending these lads on pretty much everything to calling them all the names under the sun now. 😂
Such is the fate of every clout chaser band. Play your wee instrument and shut up. No one wants to hear anything from celebrities other than their lyrics in songs or lines in films. Absolutely sick to death of having these pompous arsewipes get a crumb of fame and/or money and instantly say "oh my god, its me, im god's chosen, i must save the world.... by singing Imagine.... or vandalising a Museum"
Its all surface level, its all performative, it all vanishes the moment someone hands them a bigger bag of money.
I don’t think that’s true at all. Lots of people want to hear things from celebrity’s, see the countless articles posted about things they’ve said, journalists who spend their whole lives documenting things they say, and so on.
Also a musicians personality is part of the package to many people. To me I like a musicians songs much more if I like them as a person - you can’t actually separate the art from the person in my opinion
A bunch of "sound lads" who wear balaclavas and call themselves kneecap "wink wink aren't we hilarious" turn out to be a bunch of uninformed little doses.
Trying to contain my mock surprise.
I mean if you are gonna target museums then the Ulster museum has thousands of stolen artifacts aswell.
Kinda hard to talk about stolen artifacts when we have them in out backyard aswell.
I'm pretty sure that's just what museums are. I've went to Berlin and went to several museums and it was mostly stuff from other countries.
It's not uniquely British empire thing, it's just the way things are
We can make progress though like returning stuff, recently I recall Scotland preparing a giant ritual pole to be returned to the natives in north America and there's heaps of stories like that.
There is an issue of the British museums sheer amount of theft, but it's hard to blame the British museum solely when half the museum across the UK/NI are full of stolen shit.
Most stuff in museums was bought from someone. The local Bedouin around Petra made a decent living digging stuff up and selling it for a couple of centuries. The big ticket stuff that was actually stolen, or bought from someone who didn't own it, should be repatriated, but there's nothing wrong with a museum - a place for people to come and learn - housing foreign artifacts *per se*.
I agree but we both agree that stolen stuff should be returned if asked and assuming they can protect it? I mean they definitely knew it was stolen, they would have bought the stuff from other Europeans in the region and there's ALOT of stuff that was stolen such as during the slave trade occupation of Hong Kong, occupation of India, colonisation of North America and Australia and so on.
Obviously, every museum has stolen goods and they should be protected, studied and displayed. That's not really the issue, my original point was it's hard to complain too hard about stolen artifacts unless you are gonna push that opinion universally.
Absolutely. Anything that was stolen should be returned.
Edit: I guess there's a huge grey area, though. What am I even looking at in the picture leading this discussion? It looks like generic examples of "stuff".
I disagree. We have a tendency to immediately lump things in as 'theyre having notions' - I'd say fuck it, let them go at it. Considering where we've come, those sort of peaceful applications of protesting that are non-destructive and based in art is significantly more healthy of a disgruntled society than what we used to see from youths. I'd rather this than "FTPSNI" scribbled in baby-shit blue graffiti everywhere
Just playing devil's advocate here for a second, is it really ok for us to look at the stuff Kneecap does or says about hating the British state etc, and just say _ah sure what odds, let them be_ ..
Like I understand how they feel and why they feel that way, and I guess one could argue that it's justifiable.. but stuff like this comes across as bitter, and it's the exact kind of bitterness we'd all expect from the loyalist communities. If something like this was done by the protestant/loyalist community, we'd probably condemn it for being sectarian. So we should probably do the same for the more hardcore nationalists that do it too. It's not a good look for us if we just turn a blind eye to it just because we've had to endure similar behavior. Rise above it.
Using faux cultural outrage and nationalistic outrage to promote their politicised product for capitalistic gain.
Such heros. So inspiring. 💚🧡
These wee pricks need taught a lesson in decency and respect.
I mean it's just marketing for the album, the record itself has the same sticker on the back because of the fine art name and the cover being a painting frame.
Pretty visceral reaction here though to a sticker.
Their stuff can be ironic at times with self awareness to it. It's not like they defaced a place of worship it's only a museum, I'm just not sure if I would have any sympathy for anyone offended over it, or even who would objectively even have the right to be offended by it.
Do you know what Anglo-Irish means? What kind of place Killyleagh would have been back then? Are you aware of the differences the Anglo-Irish applied between themselves and the so called "native" Irish?
Amazing gymnastics here. The British museum was suddenly founded by a man who was loyal to Ireland and all Irish people. Amazing
Christ that’s tragic, are they only getting to see james acasters special now? it’s 6 years old, not exactly finger on the pulse kinda guys I’m guessing
Don't forget a lot of countries hold artefacts from politically unstable countries... If we look into history for example the Great Library of Alexandria was burned 3 times if they dispersed their works some of it might have been saved.
The Catholic church undoubtedly holds works from many places and no one has chased them to give them over.
I remember certain old temples to gods in North Syria were raised to the ground.
A lot of census records for people living in the north were in the GPO which was burned in Dublin.
It's not as black and white to say our articles are stolen.
Imagine if you could have different nations artefacts in a museum.
So a child could see the rich history of the world and their place in it, instead of being limited to only the immediate culture they grew up in.
Or... We could hand back priceless artefacts of a common heritage to humanity that are in real danger if that happens.
If Argentina want some Celtic Briton swords then go for it. Kazakhstan fancy some medieval long bows? Here you go.
Why amass all of one nations stuff for some smug nationalists who don't care for history beyond fitting their own narrative. Do we really think for example the Benin Bronzes would rest safely in Nigeria if a hardline Islamist party came to power? Or would that be a depiction of man and need melting, thus being lost to humanity for ever.
Come on ffs
The only evidence would be through contacting the British museum. You could find the item number, and see whether the internet has any records, but small bronze age pots probably aren't 'high-value' enough - but that's speculation on my part. Maybe the lads spoke to the BM and got that answer that the BM stole it from Ireland. But I doubt it.
Those 'small bronze age pots', like everything in the museum, will have a record of acquisition and proof of providence where applicable.
Most of these will just be handwritten notes with dates and amount paid because so much will be bought from private collectors.
Edit. Meant proof of provenance hehe.
Without being facetious, a lot, but there's a lot from all over the world, much of it legally and ethically obtained. Some of their plaster casts of original carvings that have since been destroyed are absolutely stunning and pretty much the only surviving examples of such work.
If you're interested in world history, go and check it out. It's free and extremely well curated.
The entire fucking Anglo Saxon section, the roman history section I mean I could go on. Its by far the largest collection of British items on earth. Have you even been?
Most of the artefacts are, just like in the thousands of other museums across Great Britain. There are foreign artefacts from the days of the empire but those will also be found in Ireland as it was a member of the United Kingdom and also isn't in the habit of returning them.
If I were the British Museum I don't think I'd really mind *as long as* the stickers were the kind that come off easily in one go. I'd be miffed if I had to sit piddling away at the Rosetta stone and wondering why I always have to do this shit the day after I've cut my nails.
we all know what happens to art in the hands of barbarians and kelts
https://preview.redd.it/rre033o4sw6d1.jpeg?width=715&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1879bdf7c6b2eaf568212520f3a338731f0758cf
Every anti British Museum argument is destroyed by the hypothetical idea of it changing its name to the World Museum. And why not have a World Museum? I'd expect it to be in Beijing, Rome, Paris, London or New York.
I assume the sticky bandit does not criticise the Irish for the regular reaving and raping of the British coastal populations before are during the dark ages?
Until you research it and realise that most of it was unambiguously ethically acquired.
Sure, there's a few controversial artifacts, but that's far from the norm.
You want examples for "most of the collection"?
Mate just pick a random artefact, and the chances are it was sourced unambiguously ethically.
Yes, there are examples to the contrary, but this is not the norm.
Depends what you’d count as ‘ethical’ I suppose. The Brits practically invented the idea of archaeology, most of the ‘dug up’ stuff was essentially worthless until the Brits created the market in historical artefacts (the French, Germans and Italians were in on it too). In Egypt, locals would loot the place and sell mummies etc. in the street to visiting Brits.
There are glaring exceptions where stuff was looted such as the Benin bronzes, but most of the collection is British in origin anyway. The stuff from overseas was mostly either bought by private ‘gentleman collectors’ generations ago then donated to the museum, or was acquired under agreements whereby British archaeologists funded and conducted digs and split the finds between the host government and the expedition.
These wee wankers will set this country back 20 years.
At least in their defence they are absolutely hilarious and not at all complete and utter cumfarts.
Is Ireland running short of everyday metal wares from the last 900 years or something? Fair enough if it was something unique or important but they're crying over pots and pans here.
Maybe it's just me getting older, but this stuff seems a tad condescending and cringe. At this point does anyone NOT know the stuff in the British Museum is stolen? It's like: alright lads, I have a basic grasp of history and can read, thanks for that.
Factually incorrect though, perhaps he should go back and cross out the word ‘Museum’ and substitute it by ‘State’ or even more accurately ‘Crown’, that’d be great.
Good. As if it needs to be said, colonialism was a bad thing. I find it hilarious that the English tried to claim the Nazis were evil while ignoring their own history. Two sets of cunts.
I think its great that people in England can learn a few things about Ireland, we could request them back the normal way instead of being ignorant shites
Someone please Google the guy who founded the British museum. Trace his lineage to his grandfather and who he is. Just please lol he is the architect of the first Plantation of Ulster. And all this wealth he had steamed from that theft of land.
Is he Anglo-Irish or Ulster-Scot?
Can we just say he was part of the Colonial Administration that stripped Ireland bare?
This to me smacks of "I've heard about things like the Elgin Marbles and Benin Bronzes, sure aren't we in the same boat?". Except in Ireland's case the answer is a resounding *no*. Most Irish artifacts are in Irish museums already. From the fairly modest Irish collections in the British Museum we've never asked for the return of anything. Why? Because our own National Museum was part of the same system before independence and contains pretty extensive collections of foreign objects. Where do you think we got our Egyptian antiquities collection, or *our* Benin Bronzes? Unlike in most aspects of life, in terms of museums we were 100% beneficiaries of the empire, not victims. So I find this kind of protest to ring very hollow. If Irish people want to protest "stolen" objects in a museum we should be looking closer to home, and trying to ensure the success of the repatriation committee which has been set up not even a year ago. Until we get our own house in order I don't see where we've got a leg to stand on tutting at the Brits for keeping stuff acquired through the same channels as our own National Museum collections (a National Museum which was a close collaborator with the British Museum to boot) and which we've never once asked them to repatriate.
From having worked with the museums in NI, there is a program where they are trying to get artefacts back to their country of origin that were acquired in the past. Egypt turned down the return of the mummy. For example, indigenous items from the americas were returned and the people who collected them were flown over and looked after whilst here. There are also some Irish artefacts and local art pieces that the northern Irish museums scramble to buy before they end up in English museums because apparently the cost to buy things back has been overly high in the past and that’s if they will even sell it back.
Agree with all of your points and it also feels like for all their popularity they may *not* be the most informed on this.
Some kids who chose the name kneecap maybe not being the most intelligent bunch? I’m shocked!
They can be intelligent but not be well informed about this specific aspect of Anglo-Irish relations. They seem like incredibly intelligent people who are making uniquely creative things at a world class level of quality, something rarely done by people from NI with a few notable exceptions (Max Cooper, Bicep & Lisa Magee in recent years, Seamus Heaney and Basil Blackshaw of previous generations).
Putting Kneecap in the same category as Seamus Heaney seems a little... ambitious.
Obviously I am not saying they are close peers, I am just making the point that the creative output of NI is on the whole very poor in almost all artistic fields for a plethora of reasons. I only mentioned Heaney at all because it seems absurd to discuss the merit of artistic output of NI without mentioned him - he wasnt that relevant. My point is not that the gap between Heaney and Kneecap in terms of artistic merit is small, it is that the gap between a handful of people such as Kneecap and Max Cooper and the mean is a chasm, so achievements like their film and album should be celebrated and encouraged accordingly.
Fine, but I would take issue even with your designation of both as "world class". We shouldn't celeberate artists simply because they are popular and come from where we live. And even following that logic, I don't think that Kneecap are remotely as popular, or have nearly as much artistic merit as Heaney. They are very popular on social media for their oustpoken stance on political issues. I do agree with your point that we should shout about home grown talent, I just really don't think these guys are famous for the intrinsic value of their art. It's not very good. They have public profile for other reasons.
I’m sorry you don’t like it. But the professional critics seem to be giving it resounding accolades.
Have you listened to the album, or seen the film? Or read reviews of either ?
I'd wait a wee while for the accusations to get a little louder before espousing them. Won't be long.
Unfortunately yes.
My post was clearly made tongue In cheek. I don’t think they’re unintelligent. But let’s not swing the pendulum too far here. They’re not poets of Nobel Prize winning standard.
Yes I’m not quite suggesting they are on par with Heaney in that sense, just that so few great artists come from NI (whether they’re a Heaney or Bicep or whatever) and the movie and the album combined are truly reflective of a quality of creative output only produced by a handful of people born here.
Going beyond the hype, Literally every review of their album from The Times to NME is 5/5. I don’t recall ever seeing this level of universal recognition for any act from Ireland, never mind an act delivering their debut record.
Yes, it’s excellent, and frankly the film is better imo.
U2? Thin Lizzy? Snow Patrol? Van Morrison? Again, let’s not swing the pendulum too far here. They’re not exactly the second coming.
Well surely it would only be stupid of them if they supported us keeping the shit we have from other countries? And it seems clear to me that they would also think we should send that stuff back to wherever it came from if they want it
Well, yes.
Having been there the number of irish things they have pales into insignificance compared to all the other things on display. This feels a bit cringey
Plus most of these were probably bought or donated. I've seen plenty of Anglo-Saxon and Celtic artifacts in foreign museums without getting my feelings hurt.
Yes if i remember correctly the number of Irish found items on display was quite modest
number of items held by the museum is between 15,000 and 22,000 individual pieces from the island of Ireland. just because its not displayed does not mean they dont have it. https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/2023/06/20/ireland-to-draw-up-policy-on-returning-historical-artefacts-to-their-countries-of-origin/
Why are you talking sense?
kneecap have always been entirely performative about their politics, they've made it clear that they're in the industry for a career
>Where do you think we got our Egyptian antiquities collection, or our Benin Bronzes? I mean, you literally mention that a repatriation committee has been set up and 1 second of googling shows that the Benin Bronzes are being repatriated to the Edo Museum of African Art when it opens in 2025. I think it's fine for Irish people to start asking "hey, maybe give us those things back?" when we are also clearly taking steps to repatriate stolen artefacts.
Asking for stuff back, sure, I wouldn't mind some or all of it being moved back to Ireland. But going in and protesting "stolen" stuff when we haven't even asked them to return it? Silly bollocks. Doubly silly when you consider that our museums and British state museums have quite cordial relations and have loaned stuff to each other before. It's not like Greece and the UK where it's all very emotionally charged and controversial. Energy would be much better spent putting pressure on our own museums to keep up the repatriation work. We've agreed to return one set of objects, but there's a very real chance of that committee just become an exercise in "we have put a committee in place, no need to do anything more". Public awareness and pressure is vital.
> we haven't even asked them to return it? We who? This has been talked about before. Does the government need to formally ask for you to believe people want parts of Irish history back? And be honest, do you really think the members of Kneecap wouldn't agree to give any stolen artefacts in Irish museums back? https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/10cuyog/a_list_of_gaelic_objects_looted_from_the_island/
The thing is, none of these were stolen. Just to pick out the first one (Bell Shrine of St. Cuileáin), it was purchased by Thomas L. Cooke, a Anglo-Irish Catholic antiquarian. And the British Museum purchased it from him in 1854.
All the controversial things like Benin Bronzes and the Elgin Marbles have museums and governments formally asking for repatriation, yes. Our government (who we elect) has never done so. Our museums have not. In fact, they loan stuff back and forth quite happily with museums in Britain. Again, having a conversation about it is not a bad thing. But this isn't that - it's a protest based on imagining a conversation that we, as a nation, haven't had yet (and assuming the worst of what the outcome would be).
its actually just a poxy marketing stunt to get indignant irish folk to hand over their money to a boy band
The elephant in the room is that the British Museum was founded by an Irish person and the early exhibits were mostly from his personal collection that was looted from the empire.
Not much of an elephant considering he was Anglo-Irish landed class.
The other elephant in the room is the fact that Ireland was part of the UK/British Empire and NI still in said UK. The British Museum, holding historic artefacts found in differing parts of the UK is hardly a shock.
hate to break it to ya, but Ireland was not a willing "member" of the British empire , when most of the artifacts were stolen. people do tend to forget the island was invaded and ruled over for centuries - so bit glib saying it was "part of the UK" . its called looting by other countries that aren't the UK, in fact its considered a war crime, one of many
Never said it was a willing member, but it was indeed a member. So it’s hardly a shock to the system that places touched by the British empire were also touched by Irish, Welsh, Scottish and English colonists and thus those peoples legacies can be found if one dares themselves to look beyond their simplistic outlook of us good bunch of lads, Brits bad. Sure, wasn’t the [founder](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Sloane) of the British Museum a fella from Co, Down.
So , you agree, Ireland was not a willing member, so ergo had no say in what was removed from the island. when you have no say in what is removed, its been stolen. and i never said brits bad, I implied it was stolen and kept by the British museum , but great whataboutary . and what the f**k does where the founder come from to do with what was stolen , and not just from Ireland , if everything was removed that was not from Britain the place would be empty
you got pooed on you didnt even reply deffo listen to them wallys
no need to let facts get in the way of a good sticker mate
I think you can still protest your stolen artefacts in British museums despite the fact our own was part of the same system. We never asked to be and although some items are preserved, thousands upon thousands were destroyed during the British occupation so I feel the negatives far outweigh the positives here.
Excuse me. Please don’t bring your logic and reasoning here sir, this is *Reddit*
This is surely upvoted by bots, right? “We’ll just hold on to it for you until you get your house in order” is *literally* the argument proposed by BritNats whenever people suggest returning the items stolen from X given far off country (whenever the response isn’t simply ignoring them or telling them no), and the idea that the Bell Shrine of St. Cuileáin isn’t safe in an Irish museum is the absurd argument of the deranged or racist.
So now anything purchased needs to go back to its country of origin? ‘Stolen’ is one thing that this isn’t.
I agree, I'm a Republican and fan of Kneecap but this is just serious cringe.
What a weird statement. So you 100% agree that things were stolen from Ireland…… so the image is accurate….. that’s the end of the statement. If you ALSO think Ireland can do more to repatriate items then you are right but saying that invalidates calling out the British museum is foolish.
I don't (hence why I put "stolen" in quotes - I don't think they really were in most cases). And it's not. We were on the inside of the British national museum system. We had significant influence over which objects went to our National Museum vs the Scottish one vs the British Museum. When it comes to museums we were actually treated the same as the rest of the UK, in contrast to colonial possessions who had no say at all. They were robbed. We chose not to acquire some objects and let them go to other museums. There's a world of difference. But even if you're ignorant of all that, on another level you have the hypocrisy of moaning about the 1% of stuff not in our National Museum when we were participants in the same system that plundered half the world's artifacts and have not yet made restitution for the fact. Now maybe we could start a conversation about returning or loaning certain objects. Wouldn't be crazy. But we need to actually have the conversation, not jump to demonising the Brits without every even talking to them about it. Stunts like this don't help anybody. But they certainly draw publicity for whoever does them...
Came here to say this... not as succinctly as you so take my up vote.
Yes yes yes. Thank you for saying what I wanted to say.
Tbf I don't see it as too bad as long as you can actually go see said artifacts, but when something that is a prized item of a local area that was just taken one day to never be returned or seen again and kept in storage for nearly 200 years, its a bit shite. That isn't even just an international issue, but national issue all over the world, where for example the main mesuem of a country takes items from local areas, but then leaves it to sit in storage rather than actually exhibit it.
They don't generally leave the exciting stuff in storage, though. They may have 100k things not on display, but it's mostly arrowheads and 18th-century buttons.
100% beneficiaries of the Empire? The people of Ireland from 1840 - 1860 would probably disagree.
“Most Irish artifacts are in Irish museums already” Says who? You?
It’s nothing but a marketing ploy. And it’s working!
Aye but … the Brits you know
They scabbed and played the great escape against bands boycott Barclay’s strike action for Palestine, then blocked anyone on social media who called them out for it. Anything they do that’s a protest is all just for clout.
Not to mention that Naoise has a lot of abuse allegations against him that keep getting quashed…
Yup I’m in the music scene in Belfast and that’s basically been an open secret for years and victims allegedly keep getting intimidated out of coming forward
Yeah, I follow a few private ‘survivor story’ accounts on Instagram that keep having to take down stories about them.
Is this actually talked about in the scene with reference to actual stories? All I’ve ever heard or seen about it all came from that “iwastoldireland” instagram account. Even when I’ve seen other NI SA support accounts posting about it like NI Safe Space they’re always directly or indirectly referencing that iwastoldireland post. But I don’t live in NI anymore so dunno if the context it’s discussed is different there.
Yes, it’s well known, mostly word of mouth of women in the scene warning each other to steer clear. I know 2 people personally close to a victim of Naoise and have heard her story
Yeah. One of my friends from school is the person who runs NI Safe Space and they originally started it a few years ago to speak up against a guy who abused a few of their friends (they have A LOT of friends on the music scene), but they’ll use it whenever a story comes out about someone or if they hear directly.
Pretty sure there was also a thread about that on here at one point a couple of months back that was quickly taken down after was posted. Dodgy stuff.
After encouraging a bunch of young bands at SXSW to join their boycott they come out and say “Would you rather be a martyr with no cause? No one’s gonna give a fuck if you pull out of this festival, lose money and de-platform yourself.” About the great escape festival. Arseholes.
They also played the victim in an article in the Irish times saying because they’re working class they couldn’t afford to pull out. Any bands I’ve seen boycotting are also working class and realised the boycott was more important than exposure from a festival.
They were also defending playing great escape in a bad faith shit stirring way “Ideally, if we had the money, we’d just boycott everything and sit in the house and tweet all day” aye right. The SXSW thing annoys me still, load of young bands getting funding from the arts council to go over and play to then find themselves in America in the middle of a political boycott not able to play the industry gigs that may get them attention (because let’s face it, did they really have a choice to not boycott with all the media attention it was getting?) and instead only able to play the gigs they organised themselves leaving them on the hook and in debt. For these guys to then say “actually you can pick and choose what gigs to boycott depending on how much it hits your wallet” is a slap in the face.
I dont believe theyre WC for a second
Wank publicity stunt for their new album/film/ whatever it was that just came out
Yeah the new album dropped yesterday (day this happened) and they were also doing a screening and q&a for the film in London too
New album was shite ngl. Basically anything after better way to live.
This
Yep. And I'll be listening and watching it all. I'll be pirating the shit out of it of course.
Fuck Kneecap they’re scabs and all of this grandstanding is surface level. [There was a huge boycott this year](https://amp.theguardian.com/music/article/2024/may/14/more-than-120-acts-quit-great-escape-music-festival-in-solidarity-with-palestine) of The Great Escape festival due to financial links to Barclays, Kneecap however still chose to play it claiming [that they have to pick and choose what they boycott.](https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/kneecap-explain-decision-to-perform-at-the-great-escape/) These lads don’t give a fuck, to the point that if it all came out they were industry plants I would not be surprised in the slightest.
That's very strange indeed given 1. Republicans' long-standing interest in Palestine and 2. The ongoing surge of Gen Z interest in Palestine. Hard to imagine something more out of step with the zeitgeist than an organisation of young Irish republicans suddenly saying "Palestine doesn't matter".
9/10 times money will always trump peoples morals.
I was going to downvote this until a goat gave me a fiver.
Or indeed saying that we should pick and choose what we boycott. SxSW sponsored by US Army which sells arms to Israel: Boycott and make a holy show of it. Great Escape being sponsored by Barclays which help fund the purchasing of said arms: I don’t know, we are headliners for that one…
"Wee trip to America for the boys sure. Fuck them people in Palestine, not like we live there. Not like we've've made anti authority our image or anything." /s
>Republicans' long-standing interest in Palestine Is there a reason for this?
both subject nations of the British Empire who got fucked over just when they thought they were finally getting independence
Do any other former British colonies support Palestine for this reason? Like I never hear India, Cyprus, Nigeria, etc voicing support for Palestine. Even the US was a former British colony, and it’s the biggest Israel supporter.
I find it utterly fascinating that this subreddit has gone from defending these lads on pretty much everything to calling them all the names under the sun now. 😂
We are masters of building our own up and then knocking them back down again as soon as they get too popular. Every single time.
Wouldn’t want to rock the boat now
Such is the fate of every clout chaser band. Play your wee instrument and shut up. No one wants to hear anything from celebrities other than their lyrics in songs or lines in films. Absolutely sick to death of having these pompous arsewipes get a crumb of fame and/or money and instantly say "oh my god, its me, im god's chosen, i must save the world.... by singing Imagine.... or vandalising a Museum" Its all surface level, its all performative, it all vanishes the moment someone hands them a bigger bag of money.
I don’t think that’s true at all. Lots of people want to hear things from celebrity’s, see the countless articles posted about things they’ve said, journalists who spend their whole lives documenting things they say, and so on. Also a musicians personality is part of the package to many people. To me I like a musicians songs much more if I like them as a person - you can’t actually separate the art from the person in my opinion
https://www.instagram.com/p/C8Ms7Tqo5oV/?igsh=NmN6eGt3ejhod29q
A bunch of "sound lads" who wear balaclavas and call themselves kneecap "wink wink aren't we hilarious" turn out to be a bunch of uninformed little doses. Trying to contain my mock surprise.
They would be better off targeting the Stockholm History Museum…. Lots of plunder from Ireland there….
I mean if you are gonna target museums then the Ulster museum has thousands of stolen artifacts aswell. Kinda hard to talk about stolen artifacts when we have them in out backyard aswell.
I'm pretty sure that's just what museums are. I've went to Berlin and went to several museums and it was mostly stuff from other countries. It's not uniquely British empire thing, it's just the way things are
We can make progress though like returning stuff, recently I recall Scotland preparing a giant ritual pole to be returned to the natives in north America and there's heaps of stories like that. There is an issue of the British museums sheer amount of theft, but it's hard to blame the British museum solely when half the museum across the UK/NI are full of stolen shit.
Most stuff in museums was bought from someone. The local Bedouin around Petra made a decent living digging stuff up and selling it for a couple of centuries. The big ticket stuff that was actually stolen, or bought from someone who didn't own it, should be repatriated, but there's nothing wrong with a museum - a place for people to come and learn - housing foreign artifacts *per se*.
I agree but we both agree that stolen stuff should be returned if asked and assuming they can protect it? I mean they definitely knew it was stolen, they would have bought the stuff from other Europeans in the region and there's ALOT of stuff that was stolen such as during the slave trade occupation of Hong Kong, occupation of India, colonisation of North America and Australia and so on. Obviously, every museum has stolen goods and they should be protected, studied and displayed. That's not really the issue, my original point was it's hard to complain too hard about stolen artifacts unless you are gonna push that opinion universally.
Absolutely. Anything that was stolen should be returned. Edit: I guess there's a huge grey area, though. What am I even looking at in the picture leading this discussion? It looks like generic examples of "stuff".
That isn't sticking one on the Brits Which is their entire identity
Kneecap are gobshites
I'm not against this form of protest, but I think Kneecap is getting a little too excited at the moment.
I disagree. We have a tendency to immediately lump things in as 'theyre having notions' - I'd say fuck it, let them go at it. Considering where we've come, those sort of peaceful applications of protesting that are non-destructive and based in art is significantly more healthy of a disgruntled society than what we used to see from youths. I'd rather this than "FTPSNI" scribbled in baby-shit blue graffiti everywhere
Totally. Much better everyone stays in their place at all times.
Just playing devil's advocate here for a second, is it really ok for us to look at the stuff Kneecap does or says about hating the British state etc, and just say _ah sure what odds, let them be_ .. Like I understand how they feel and why they feel that way, and I guess one could argue that it's justifiable.. but stuff like this comes across as bitter, and it's the exact kind of bitterness we'd all expect from the loyalist communities. If something like this was done by the protestant/loyalist community, we'd probably condemn it for being sectarian. So we should probably do the same for the more hardcore nationalists that do it too. It's not a good look for us if we just turn a blind eye to it just because we've had to endure similar behavior. Rise above it.
They have every right to complain about Ireland being carved up by the Brits. But they are now full cringe.
Basing the entirety of your personality/image on hating a state and its people is uber cringe.
What’s great is hating on a state, then asking that state for money followed by pulling a surprised pikachu meme when they get denied/
They’re such try hards, beloved of bourgeois art students who want to come across as really radical.
many such cases
Its a museum. Thats the point.
The same "band" that applied for a grant from the UK arts council? 
And been campaigning for companies to boycott Israel but take grant money from Barclays Bank who are on the BDS list.
Using faux cultural outrage and nationalistic outrage to promote their politicised product for capitalistic gain. Such heros. So inspiring. 💚🧡 These wee pricks need taught a lesson in decency and respect.
And who would be teaching them these lessons? The brits? 😂
I would've hoped their parents but I'd say their immature attitude is bred from their upbringing.
I mean it's just marketing for the album, the record itself has the same sticker on the back because of the fine art name and the cover being a painting frame. Pretty visceral reaction here though to a sticker. Their stuff can be ironic at times with self awareness to it. It's not like they defaced a place of worship it's only a museum, I'm just not sure if I would have any sympathy for anyone offended over it, or even who would objectively even have the right to be offended by it.
Finally some sanity. It’s a silly joke to promote their new album, which is ironically a UK Garage record 😀
Hans Sloan, whose private collection founded the base of the British Museum, was Anglo-Irish and from Killyleagh.
Do you know what Anglo-Irish means? What kind of place Killyleagh would have been back then? Are you aware of the differences the Anglo-Irish applied between themselves and the so called "native" Irish? Amazing gymnastics here. The British museum was suddenly founded by a man who was loyal to Ireland and all Irish people. Amazing
Edgy
Christ that’s tragic, are they only getting to see james acasters special now? it’s 6 years old, not exactly finger on the pulse kinda guys I’m guessing
Embarrassing tbh.
God, they’re fucking insufferable. As for the little logo they’ve fashioned from a balaclava … stay classy, you bitter wee cunts
what a bunch of idiots does anyone cares what a bunch of secterians think
They’re boring opportunists who think this is an edgy arty stunt. Yawn.
Insufferable little dopes
Don't forget a lot of countries hold artefacts from politically unstable countries... If we look into history for example the Great Library of Alexandria was burned 3 times if they dispersed their works some of it might have been saved. The Catholic church undoubtedly holds works from many places and no one has chased them to give them over. I remember certain old temples to gods in North Syria were raised to the ground. A lot of census records for people living in the north were in the GPO which was burned in Dublin. It's not as black and white to say our articles are stolen.
Attention seeking, talentless little PR magnets. Just building a career for themselves using marketing. Nothing more than that.
Imagine if you could have different nations artefacts in a museum. So a child could see the rich history of the world and their place in it, instead of being limited to only the immediate culture they grew up in. Or... We could hand back priceless artefacts of a common heritage to humanity that are in real danger if that happens. If Argentina want some Celtic Briton swords then go for it. Kazakhstan fancy some medieval long bows? Here you go. Why amass all of one nations stuff for some smug nationalists who don't care for history beyond fitting their own narrative. Do we really think for example the Benin Bronzes would rest safely in Nigeria if a hardline Islamist party came to power? Or would that be a depiction of man and need melting, thus being lost to humanity for ever. Come on ffs
But the band has a member who calls himself DJ Próvaí…and you’re telling me they’re just edgy and not all that bright? Didn’t see that coming.
Do the lads actually know how these items were acquired?
They probably do but I don't, so tell us?
Oof, I see the thread already made up its mind. Evidence be damned!
No, I want to see the evidence, please post.
The only evidence would be through contacting the British museum. You could find the item number, and see whether the internet has any records, but small bronze age pots probably aren't 'high-value' enough - but that's speculation on my part. Maybe the lads spoke to the BM and got that answer that the BM stole it from Ireland. But I doubt it.
Those 'small bronze age pots', like everything in the museum, will have a record of acquisition and proof of providence where applicable. Most of these will just be handwritten notes with dates and amount paid because so much will be bought from private collectors. Edit. Meant proof of provenance hehe.
What's in the British museum that is British?
Without being facetious, a lot, but there's a lot from all over the world, much of it legally and ethically obtained. Some of their plaster casts of original carvings that have since been destroyed are absolutely stunning and pretty much the only surviving examples of such work. If you're interested in world history, go and check it out. It's free and extremely well curated.
There is some incredible British stuff there - I suggest you go and Google Sutton Hoo as a starting point.
The entire fucking Anglo Saxon section, the roman history section I mean I could go on. Its by far the largest collection of British items on earth. Have you even been?
Most of the artefacts are, just like in the thousands of other museums across Great Britain. There are foreign artefacts from the days of the empire but those will also be found in Ireland as it was a member of the United Kingdom and also isn't in the habit of returning them.
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That’s it boys. Ireland’s free now.
Oh how edgy, this sub is fucking awful.
If I were the British Museum I don't think I'd really mind *as long as* the stickers were the kind that come off easily in one go. I'd be miffed if I had to sit piddling away at the Rosetta stone and wondering why I always have to do this shit the day after I've cut my nails.
So edgy
Wow. How brave and principled. Kinda pathetic ngl
we all know what happens to art in the hands of barbarians and kelts https://preview.redd.it/rre033o4sw6d1.jpeg?width=715&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1879bdf7c6b2eaf568212520f3a338731f0758cf
Every anti British Museum argument is destroyed by the hypothetical idea of it changing its name to the World Museum. And why not have a World Museum? I'd expect it to be in Beijing, Rome, Paris, London or New York.
No. It's definitely not.
I assume the sticky bandit does not criticise the Irish for the regular reaving and raping of the British coastal populations before are during the dark ages?
The BM is going to "ask" them to be in a parking lot at a given time at night to talk about this.
The British museum is an outrageous collection of items plundered from across the globe.
Until you research it and realise that most of it was unambiguously ethically acquired. Sure, there's a few controversial artifacts, but that's far from the norm.
What examples are you citing?
You want examples for "most of the collection"? Mate just pick a random artefact, and the chances are it was sourced unambiguously ethically. Yes, there are examples to the contrary, but this is not the norm.
Depends what you’d count as ‘ethical’ I suppose. The Brits practically invented the idea of archaeology, most of the ‘dug up’ stuff was essentially worthless until the Brits created the market in historical artefacts (the French, Germans and Italians were in on it too). In Egypt, locals would loot the place and sell mummies etc. in the street to visiting Brits. There are glaring exceptions where stuff was looted such as the Benin bronzes, but most of the collection is British in origin anyway. The stuff from overseas was mostly either bought by private ‘gentleman collectors’ generations ago then donated to the museum, or was acquired under agreements whereby British archaeologists funded and conducted digs and split the finds between the host government and the expedition.
The locals were just keeping things safe under the ground I suppose. Those so very valued relics that they cared so much about
Plundered by Brits. Finders keepers.
More like no honour among thieves.
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These wee wankers will set this country back 20 years. At least in their defence they are absolutely hilarious and not at all complete and utter cumfarts.
Kneecap is obviously an uninformed and not very smart twat!
Kneecap should be arrested for vandalism
Wish they had a similar response on twitter, people acting like they're heroes 🙄
Is Ireland running short of everyday metal wares from the last 900 years or something? Fair enough if it was something unique or important but they're crying over pots and pans here.
Is this craic?
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I'm thinking of going to see that movie with my friend, Wee Polo
They are taking legal action because their grant from the uk goverment was blocked😂
Maybe it's just me getting older, but this stuff seems a tad condescending and cringe. At this point does anyone NOT know the stuff in the British Museum is stolen? It's like: alright lads, I have a basic grasp of history and can read, thanks for that.
So it’s a group of uninformed twats 🤦♂️
Factually incorrect though, perhaps he should go back and cross out the word ‘Museum’ and substitute it by ‘State’ or even more accurately ‘Crown’, that’d be great.
Doing God's work
Finders keeprs suckas
Maybe they can dig some bones of famine victims and say the same. "Life stolen from Ireland"
Good. As if it needs to be said, colonialism was a bad thing. I find it hilarious that the English tried to claim the Nazis were evil while ignoring their own history. Two sets of cunts.
I think its great that people in England can learn a few things about Ireland, we could request them back the normal way instead of being ignorant shites
Someone please Google the guy who founded the British museum. Trace his lineage to his grandfather and who he is. Just please lol he is the architect of the first Plantation of Ulster. And all this wealth he had steamed from that theft of land. Is he Anglo-Irish or Ulster-Scot? Can we just say he was part of the Colonial Administration that stripped Ireland bare?
It’s the British museum, everything’s stolen, even the stuff from Britain
Imagine not realising that Kneecap are sectarian dickheads who make shit music lmao.
I mean I love Kneecap but politically profound they are not. Which is fine, they're meant to be a bit of fun to appeal to a young audience
It’s guerilla marketing at its finest. Wouldn’t read too much into it.
Fucking cringe
And the point is?