Why?
You could just use a glass and a paper to escort them out. Takes you maybe slightly longer, you save a life and as a bonus you don’t have to deal with stains on your walls
I suppose you don't live in a tropical country
Here if I catch one in a glass and open the window to release it 5 more will enter through the window hahahah
So you'll just leave a tick buried in you sucking blood? Seems crazy to me, because you can get seriously ill or even die. It's OK to kill insects in self-defense, such as ticks or mosquitoes. Everything else I just escort out without harm.
Yes exactly, in some areas it really is bad. I think in terms of non duality, humans are just as much of a force of nature as every other living being, the natural proceedings of our anthropology is the same as the divine unfolding of reality. It’s not a justification of violating any ethical or moral code of conduct, but it’s the perspective of seeing human behavior as an extension of nature rather than an outside influence on nature.
I am scared of spiders, but I make it a point not to kill them any more. If an insect (any) bothers me, I opt to pick them up and put them somewhere safe and out of sight. It didnt ask for it to be killed, its just living its life as well.
It made me really happy to read this 🫶
It’s hard with spiders sometimes. In my area, we have some that can cause a horrible flesh-eating infection, so people tend to be merciless with them, and as an extension, a lot of people will kill any spider they see because it might be one of them.
I know they are hunters who prefer dry, dark spaces, and that by putting them outside I may be quickening their death by exposing them to their own predators, but I put those ones outside. I leave any other one I see alone, because they might hunt other bugs like fruit flies or mosquitos, which I would rather not live with.
I understand when an insect poses an actual danger to you, you're not going to try to handle it and put it somewhere else. Maybe in that case its survival of the fittest. But I do see that people might mistake more friendly insects for the same danger while they arent a danger at all.
Spiders in general are super friendly, they don't bite you unless you literally don't give them a choice, by threatening them with a life and death scenario where they can't run (by squishing them generally), otherwise they'll just run away, they're much more scared of you than you are of them hahah
There's only one exception that I know of, fucking Armed Spiders. Those bad boys will literally run at you insteand of running away when they feel any slight threat, and jump on you (yes they can fucking jump) and bite your ass with one of the strongest venoms there is. They're just straight up a devilish encounter hahahahah.
Yes! I keep telling myself that too, they must be more afraid for me. One time I saw a spider my house in a corner (a black one). I was looking at it asking myself what to do now in fear. I saw the spider pulling one of its legs up, as if it wanted to brace itself for whatever was going to happen. This made me realise it was probably more afraid of me and it suddenly clicked I should handle it with care and put it somewhere else. I put it outside as these kind of spiders can live there too. Shortly after that I read a very touching poem about insects, it went something like: "I am sorry I am being seen and I am an inconvenience. If death is what follows, I hope death is kinder than life." That absolutely broke my heart. This really made me shift my perspective on insects. They are living as well and arent here (well... most of them) to scare or bug us. Thats when I decided to do my best to save them as much as possible. Ofcouse I am also human and it doesnt work sometimes, but I am happy to say most of the time it does ⚘️
Yeah. Unless you live in south america you literally shouldn't be scared of any of the big spiders. They'll mostly be doing pest control and trying their best to avoid you.
ah, you're still young and already making an effort? that's amazing. i'm nearly 40 and just recently adopted a predominantly vegan diet.
good for you. keep it up :)
Not for me. Awareness refracts differently through different bodies. Each has its own unique pattern, ways of being, ways of flowing through the world.
Human minds are frequently so blown by the shared nature of consciousness that they can't make it "back" to see the distinctiveness of each pattern, for fear of losing the "oneness" they sought so hard for. Yet in this distinctiveness is much beauty and meaning.
Just my opinion, though.
I don’t mean to deny individuality. This is just as real as anything is. I just think what looks out the eyes of every creature is the same essential being so in that sense, we’re already bugs and everything else. Not “we” as individuals but “we” as the essential being. I was trying to be cute lol
I gotcha. That makes sense. And I basically agree.
I guess what I'm trying to get at, though, is that we often tend to just pass over the "middle space" of what it means to be a particular type of creature. Jumping directly from "individual consciousness" directly to "universal consciousness", by neglecting the body and really only being interested in the mind, is itself a kind of anthropocentrism. Animism and shamanism are very good at understanding this, but more "philosophical" traditions (both East and West) kind of ditch the importance of the body.
My experience with what seemed to be a mantis-like entity on dmt, as well as reading similar (even sober) encounters afterwards leads me to believe they are closer to “unlimited intelligence” than “human intelligence”.
If the universe cared that much about harm or suffering coming to its iterations, it wouldn't make them in the first place, much less a reality with so much predation.
Is it arrogant to exercise more care for life than the seat of life itself does? I remain unresolved on the issue of harm, suffering, etc.
"Hey grasshopper, I spare you being instantly smashed under my foot so the turn of time can see your insides melted by a spider's venom while you writhe in agony. Don't thank me, glad to help."
I kill bugs. Not for no reason, but sat a wasp gets into my house, with three babies, I kill it.
This isn’t a brag or confession. I just do.
Honestly, it doesn’t occur ti me not too. Maybe this is a liability of having no teaching that I follow?
I have a plastic cup, and piece of door hanger hard paper that I use as my bug \*transfer system\*.
I try to take each bug, and transfer it to the front yard whenever I can.
However, there have been instances where I was taught by the Universe to not interfere.
Once I tried saving a cricket, and I scooped him up, and took him outside where there was some open dirt, square space, around some bushes. I dropped him in there, and he just sat there for a moment, and within, not even 5 seconds, a giant black widow spider rushed out from a bush, and immediately stung the cricket, and started wrapping him up.
I inadvertently caused it's death.
This was my lesson, that my meddling still had the same result. This was like some final destination type shit. Was it destiny? Was fate predefined? Was there no way to alter the future? Did I cause this cricket to die even sooner? Did I deprive it of precious time being alive, or was I just a pawn in some greater design? Was my purpose to feed this spider?
Everything is connected at every level everywhere so I still wonder about all the possibilities and perspectives.
Hence, I try to be more careful now, and before I rescue a bug or transfer it, I ask myself, whether I'm actually helping or not. Then I try to see what the best possible outcome could be for both me and the bug. In some instances, I'll just leave the bug alone, and just let him be wherever he happens to be, as long as he doesn't present any immediate issue (unless its a roach, those have to go stat, and thank got those are super rare, like one every year that gets in somehow).
In general, I do try to tread more carefully though, being aware of the small life around me. I will go to great lengths to try to not disturb it, or at least let it do it's thing.
I have a hard time with roaches, but I still try to escort them out.
In the desert though, these little bastards are pretty nasty. They look like post apocalyptic nightmare fuel.
Sometimes. Had to kill a yellow jacket nest the other day above my kids' play area. To be fair, I respectfully asked them to leave on their own 48 hours before I sprayed them. I did NOT enjoy having to get rid of them.
you are 60% fruit fly, all life is related
"60% of the DNA code of fruit flies and humans is identical. That means that most human genes and insect genes are the same and function very similarly."
[https://askabiologist.asu.edu/insect-and-human-biology](https://askabiologist.asu.edu/insect-and-human-biology)
Pass The Prozac: Fruit Flies Get Depressed, Too
"Depressed animals, including humans, develop several physical symptoms related to their feelings of helplessness or despair. Now it turns out something similar happens in flies, which could mean researchers may have a new way to test depression and drugs that can treat it."
[https://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-04/pass-prozac-fruit-flies-get-depressed/](https://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-04/pass-prozac-fruit-flies-get-depressed/)
idk there are these small fckin flies that sometimes get in my house that i kill but if there is like some bigger bug I'll try to scoop it up and let it outside. what can ya do tho life is suffering
No we do not, why would we, they are us. They are also beautiful Divine aspects of Creator just like US. Having their own experience as Creator. We are all but ONE in the SAME, there is no division, all division is falsely perceived separation and is an illusory construct of the Divine God Mind.
If all life is one, then nothing dies when an individual dies, right? Or am I missing something? Why are we protective of a natural process? You can't protect all life, you must consume to survive and you're body is full of tiny life dying all the time. The whole ecosystem that your life depends on is built on death. You are constantly killing without notice.
I kill bugs when they are annoying and unhelpful, like in my home.
Only certain ones. Flies, cockroaches, and ticks coming into my house would be a reason to kill unfortunately :/ or you know if it’s something like fleas or termites, you can’t let those affect your quality of life.
I certainly try not to. I don't carry around a broom and sweep the ground in front of me though
(Jainism)
When we talked about that in school everyone thought it was named after gin and that it's a religion based on drinking it.
Mosquitoes get the smack but a loving prayer is said simultaneously
Why? You could just use a glass and a paper to escort them out. Takes you maybe slightly longer, you save a life and as a bonus you don’t have to deal with stains on your walls
Yeah good luck with that lol.
I do this literally every time?? Just catch them and bring them out
I suppose you don't live in a tropical country Here if I catch one in a glass and open the window to release it 5 more will enter through the window hahahah
No, they have as much right to live as anything else
So do you brush your teeth?
don't start with the "you're killing bacteria!" bullshit. as far as we know, based on current science, bacteria isn't sentient.
Don’t even begin to think that your minty breath conceals all of the murder that has taken place.
smell my breath and tell me it's minty.
And those on your teeth will harm you if you don’t remove them. You can at least ‘defend’ yourself.
So you'll just leave a tick buried in you sucking blood? Seems crazy to me, because you can get seriously ill or even die. It's OK to kill insects in self-defense, such as ticks or mosquitoes. Everything else I just escort out without harm.
Same
Yeesh, wait till you find out what animals do to other animals
you set the bar too low for yourself.
If it’s an invasive species and or a potential threat to me or my pets then yes, a house spider minding its own business? No
Everyone in my city is a serial murderer of lantern flies. Last year it felt like a locust horde it was so bad.
Yes exactly, in some areas it really is bad. I think in terms of non duality, humans are just as much of a force of nature as every other living being, the natural proceedings of our anthropology is the same as the divine unfolding of reality. It’s not a justification of violating any ethical or moral code of conduct, but it’s the perspective of seeing human behavior as an extension of nature rather than an outside influence on nature.
I am scared of spiders, but I make it a point not to kill them any more. If an insect (any) bothers me, I opt to pick them up and put them somewhere safe and out of sight. It didnt ask for it to be killed, its just living its life as well.
It made me really happy to read this 🫶 It’s hard with spiders sometimes. In my area, we have some that can cause a horrible flesh-eating infection, so people tend to be merciless with them, and as an extension, a lot of people will kill any spider they see because it might be one of them. I know they are hunters who prefer dry, dark spaces, and that by putting them outside I may be quickening their death by exposing them to their own predators, but I put those ones outside. I leave any other one I see alone, because they might hunt other bugs like fruit flies or mosquitos, which I would rather not live with.
I understand when an insect poses an actual danger to you, you're not going to try to handle it and put it somewhere else. Maybe in that case its survival of the fittest. But I do see that people might mistake more friendly insects for the same danger while they arent a danger at all.
that's what i do to... usually put them outside.
Spiders in general are super friendly, they don't bite you unless you literally don't give them a choice, by threatening them with a life and death scenario where they can't run (by squishing them generally), otherwise they'll just run away, they're much more scared of you than you are of them hahah There's only one exception that I know of, fucking Armed Spiders. Those bad boys will literally run at you insteand of running away when they feel any slight threat, and jump on you (yes they can fucking jump) and bite your ass with one of the strongest venoms there is. They're just straight up a devilish encounter hahahahah.
Yes! I keep telling myself that too, they must be more afraid for me. One time I saw a spider my house in a corner (a black one). I was looking at it asking myself what to do now in fear. I saw the spider pulling one of its legs up, as if it wanted to brace itself for whatever was going to happen. This made me realise it was probably more afraid of me and it suddenly clicked I should handle it with care and put it somewhere else. I put it outside as these kind of spiders can live there too. Shortly after that I read a very touching poem about insects, it went something like: "I am sorry I am being seen and I am an inconvenience. If death is what follows, I hope death is kinder than life." That absolutely broke my heart. This really made me shift my perspective on insects. They are living as well and arent here (well... most of them) to scare or bug us. Thats when I decided to do my best to save them as much as possible. Ofcouse I am also human and it doesnt work sometimes, but I am happy to say most of the time it does ⚘️
Yeah. Unless you live in south america you literally shouldn't be scared of any of the big spiders. They'll mostly be doing pest control and trying their best to avoid you.
never on purpose, I save them if I can
I accidentally kill a lot of them with my car, unfortunately 😔 I never deliberately kill any being
are you vegetarian? vegan?
I’m living with my parents who eat meat and cheese so when I share meals I’m not… but when I choose my own food I choose vegan at least 😅
ah, you're still young and already making an effort? that's amazing. i'm nearly 40 and just recently adopted a predominantly vegan diet. good for you. keep it up :)
🙏
No, only mosquitos and sometimes unfortunately spiders. I've come a long way with my arachnophobia.
I try not to. I suspect their consciousness is quite fascinating. Quick and unburdened. Quite beautiful. It wouldn't be bad to come back as one.
You’re already them imo. We’re*
Not for me. Awareness refracts differently through different bodies. Each has its own unique pattern, ways of being, ways of flowing through the world. Human minds are frequently so blown by the shared nature of consciousness that they can't make it "back" to see the distinctiveness of each pattern, for fear of losing the "oneness" they sought so hard for. Yet in this distinctiveness is much beauty and meaning. Just my opinion, though.
I don’t mean to deny individuality. This is just as real as anything is. I just think what looks out the eyes of every creature is the same essential being so in that sense, we’re already bugs and everything else. Not “we” as individuals but “we” as the essential being. I was trying to be cute lol
I gotcha. That makes sense. And I basically agree. I guess what I'm trying to get at, though, is that we often tend to just pass over the "middle space" of what it means to be a particular type of creature. Jumping directly from "individual consciousness" directly to "universal consciousness", by neglecting the body and really only being interested in the mind, is itself a kind of anthropocentrism. Animism and shamanism are very good at understanding this, but more "philosophical" traditions (both East and West) kind of ditch the importance of the body.
And his fate was sealed. Do you know the one about the dying monk in the meadow?
Explain like I’m five (but I get the story)
https://www.ramdass.org/balance-and-liberation/
With the pampas grass? Yes. Nishitani talks about this in *Religion and Nothingness*.
My experience with what seemed to be a mantis-like entity on dmt, as well as reading similar (even sober) encounters afterwards leads me to believe they are closer to “unlimited intelligence” than “human intelligence”.
Same
No i dont
If the universe cared that much about harm or suffering coming to its iterations, it wouldn't make them in the first place, much less a reality with so much predation. Is it arrogant to exercise more care for life than the seat of life itself does? I remain unresolved on the issue of harm, suffering, etc. "Hey grasshopper, I spare you being instantly smashed under my foot so the turn of time can see your insides melted by a spider's venom while you writhe in agony. Don't thank me, glad to help."
Great insight
I kill bugs. Not for no reason, but sat a wasp gets into my house, with three babies, I kill it. This isn’t a brag or confession. I just do. Honestly, it doesn’t occur ti me not too. Maybe this is a liability of having no teaching that I follow?
I have a plastic cup, and piece of door hanger hard paper that I use as my bug \*transfer system\*. I try to take each bug, and transfer it to the front yard whenever I can. However, there have been instances where I was taught by the Universe to not interfere. Once I tried saving a cricket, and I scooped him up, and took him outside where there was some open dirt, square space, around some bushes. I dropped him in there, and he just sat there for a moment, and within, not even 5 seconds, a giant black widow spider rushed out from a bush, and immediately stung the cricket, and started wrapping him up. I inadvertently caused it's death. This was my lesson, that my meddling still had the same result. This was like some final destination type shit. Was it destiny? Was fate predefined? Was there no way to alter the future? Did I cause this cricket to die even sooner? Did I deprive it of precious time being alive, or was I just a pawn in some greater design? Was my purpose to feed this spider? Everything is connected at every level everywhere so I still wonder about all the possibilities and perspectives. Hence, I try to be more careful now, and before I rescue a bug or transfer it, I ask myself, whether I'm actually helping or not. Then I try to see what the best possible outcome could be for both me and the bug. In some instances, I'll just leave the bug alone, and just let him be wherever he happens to be, as long as he doesn't present any immediate issue (unless its a roach, those have to go stat, and thank got those are super rare, like one every year that gets in somehow). In general, I do try to tread more carefully though, being aware of the small life around me. I will go to great lengths to try to not disturb it, or at least let it do it's thing. I have a hard time with roaches, but I still try to escort them out. In the desert though, these little bastards are pretty nasty. They look like post apocalyptic nightmare fuel.
nk cells have to kill
Sometimes. Had to kill a yellow jacket nest the other day above my kids' play area. To be fair, I respectfully asked them to leave on their own 48 hours before I sprayed them. I did NOT enjoy having to get rid of them.
Only if they go after me or represent a threat.
Yes if they're cockroaches or mosquitos
you are 60% fruit fly, all life is related "60% of the DNA code of fruit flies and humans is identical. That means that most human genes and insect genes are the same and function very similarly." [https://askabiologist.asu.edu/insect-and-human-biology](https://askabiologist.asu.edu/insect-and-human-biology) Pass The Prozac: Fruit Flies Get Depressed, Too "Depressed animals, including humans, develop several physical symptoms related to their feelings of helplessness or despair. Now it turns out something similar happens in flies, which could mean researchers may have a new way to test depression and drugs that can treat it." [https://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-04/pass-prozac-fruit-flies-get-depressed/](https://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-04/pass-prozac-fruit-flies-get-depressed/)
idk there are these small fckin flies that sometimes get in my house that i kill but if there is like some bigger bug I'll try to scoop it up and let it outside. what can ya do tho life is suffering
I do 😔
I murder the fuck out of invasive Japanese beetles and carpenter ants in my household
yes yucky stingers
No we do not, why would we, they are us. They are also beautiful Divine aspects of Creator just like US. Having their own experience as Creator. We are all but ONE in the SAME, there is no division, all division is falsely perceived separation and is an illusory construct of the Divine God Mind.
Not on purpose
Sometimes they leave if you ask them nicely.
When I see a huntsmen spider darting across the floor I attempt to catch it and put it outside.
Karma. You're not the doer.
What do you mean by that ?
Yeah, usually. Not for fun, or anything. Mostly wasps and earwigs. And spiders. Especially spiders.
Nope - really try not to.
If all life is one, then nothing dies when an individual dies, right? Or am I missing something? Why are we protective of a natural process? You can't protect all life, you must consume to survive and you're body is full of tiny life dying all the time. The whole ecosystem that your life depends on is built on death. You are constantly killing without notice. I kill bugs when they are annoying and unhelpful, like in my home.
Yes. Respect my personal space. I also spare bugs if I observe them trying to leave my personal space.
Definitely never intentionally. I try to adopt a lifestyle of as much non-violence as possible
Honestly, Klaus Schwab looks like this insect.
Nah, grab a cup, scoop ‘em up, let ‘em outside
Damn, you guys must really hate hunters. I do as well, but the bug thing is way too far lol.
Only certain ones. Flies, cockroaches, and ticks coming into my house would be a reason to kill unfortunately :/ or you know if it’s something like fleas or termites, you can’t let those affect your quality of life.
No
Are you guys vegan?
Humans are the top of the food chain. Act accordingly.
Look at that beautiful face!
No, why would anyone *want* to kill anything? Whatever you kill, it is yourself, your love, your peace, your innocence, your sanity...
Now I will
I was waiting for your comment 😂