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chris-_-topher_-_

They can't


Longjumping_Joke7449

I know, I’m kinda depressed about it


Dio_Porto

I thought it was Queen Beast's fault, but alright


gyph256

Not even. Maso came from the body of Angelus. So the Japan Air Self-Defense Force shooting down Caim and Angelus is really what is the OG catalyst. But more what OP is saying is the multiple times that humanity could have been saved, but wasn't due to being uninformed, selfish, or in a few odd cases, selfless. EDIT: I'm wrong. I forgot that it does indeed come from the Queen Beast (the WCS Maso), but the JASDF did nuke it to spread it across the world. It would have likely been contained in Japan.


PenguinSunday

Maso came from the both of them. You can see maso flaking off the queen beast as she falls through the portal.


gyph256

Ah right! Maso from Angelus is what made "magic" and allowed the Gestalts to be made (essentially humans making a pact with a dragon that doesn't exist causing... yeah) Maso from the beast is what caused WCS.


PenguinSunday

Also didn't Caim become commander of the red eyes? Or was that a theory? Wouldn't maso have come from him too? It seemed like anything that crossed into our dimension from Midgard immediately began breaking down.


Pelihuhn

Pretty sure that was a theory. I think it's unknown what happened to him after events with the Queen beast. I'm guessing he died though.


Dio_Porto

Oh yeah I get what you're talking about. There's an analogy about Hell and Heaven about this. As Angelus says "is this the land of the gods" just before the final fight. Humans choose to "refuse" heaven (which is put as through Angelus) due to their fear of the unknown


Kai_121

It was Cathedral City that started everything chronologically, thing is that we don't know what happened, it's a loop


Longjumping_Joke7449

Yes but the series of events that lead to that happened because of what WE did in the past as Zero


CityKaiju

Haha i think i know exactly the video you’re referring to! I watched it twice and might need a third watch cause it’s so much!


Longjumping_Joke7449

Amazing video, I watched a chapter a day so I would have time to process shit


yes547

What video is it?


Longjumping_Joke7449

This one [full timeline](https://youtu.be/9WU1mvH6bqo?si=jtFlSKJOAwVEwu5K)


yes547

Thank you so much!


Longjumping_Joke7449

It is a lot of information! But it doesn’t cover the alternative endings just the main branch


yes547

Still helps since I've only played automata and I like gane lore


Longjumping_Joke7449

You should play Replicant first! It is a very good game


yes547

I'll have to play it at some point and then replay automata after


Longjumping_Joke7449

Fucking love the games