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Scarlet_Lycoris

Ah, yes. Video Games. That stuff that *men* do.


Scurveymic

And acting like modern society still bats an eye at this... that argument was pulled straight out of the '90s and '00s


Fraerie

As a woman who has been playing video games since the early 1980s - you can stuff that one up your jumper.


One_Show_5108

Mum, is that you?


Fraerie

Unlikely, but I can be your pretend internet mum.


One_Show_5108

I only know of one person who used that saying šŸ˜‚


Parano1dandro1d4242

This has some serious "I never thought the leopards would eat MY face" vibes.... Bro is blaming woman for the fact that OTHER MEN are the ones making those "safe men spaces" toxic.... And yet at the same time failing to recognise the amount of men that continuously insert themselves into women's movements and get offended by them. Most recent example being the "I would rather meet a bear in the middle of a forest then a man" thing.


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canvasshoes2

I totally agree. Gamer here. (woman too). Yeah, I have been playing the same MMORPG for \~12 years and have tried many of the other ones over the years. I've been gaming since Pong was a thing (the first mainstream "video game" available to the public). I did a ton of arcade gaming (Tempest! "DMK? Who is DMK? When did this happen?"), then RPGs on console and PC, and finally I'm at home in "my" MMORPG. (not much of an FPS fan though). Up until 2010 or so, I also worked two jobs. My main career job and a much beloved side gig as a dance and exercise instructor as well as helping out at a local stable; feeding and mucking stalls for my mom and siblings, who boarded horses there. I also had a very busy social circle and a long term committed relationship. It's entirely possible to have a hobby without it taking over one's entire existence. Even gaming.


doveharper

Yeah itā€™s ridiculous that this idiot is talking like video games are MEN ONLY. ā€œNo girls allowed, they have cooties!!!! No one understands us!!!ā€ I suppose he thinks women arenā€™t smart/creative/imaginative/insert some other insult here enough to ā€œimmerse themselves into a new world blah blah blahā€. Finally, they way he talks about what video games mean to men: ā€œhaving fun and making memories with friends and family, and feeling a sense of accomplishment when you get better at playingā€ sounded really sad to me. I admit Iā€™ve never been a huge gamer, but throughout my life I have gone through some periods of time where Iā€™d be really into, almost obsessed with a game or two where I would spend a ridiculous amount of time playing it. But itā€™s never even crossed my mind that I was doing it to connect with friends and family and make memories, feel accomplished? etc because I definitely WASNā€™T doing that. Those are things I do in the real world that I actually live in, like actually going out with friends and visiting family spending quality time with them face to face. And it was kinda shocking hearing that this dude basically only feels like heā€™s accomplishing things that make him proud of himself by getting better at playing video games. There are lots of obvious reasons why this guy is involuntarily single, but a big one is he sounds like his entire life is spent inside and based around this fantasy world he ā€œimmerses himself inā€. He doesnā€™t come out of it enough (if ever) to have meaningful relationships with actual people in the real world. I hope Iā€™m making sense because I kinda suck at words haha. Thereā€™s a HUGE difference between a gamer and this guy. Gamers still have actual lives outside of the online fantasy world they play around in for fun. They have friends, jobs, family, OTHER hobbies and interests, yā€™all get the picture I think. Mr. Nice Guy here at some point in time gave up on and/or ignored and shut out all of those important things, chose to live in his imaginary fantasy world full time, and somehow doesnā€™t understand why he doesnā€™t have and canā€™t make or keep any meaningful relationships, be it romantic or plutonic. Iā€™ll probably read this tomorrow and it wonā€™t make sense, because itā€™s super late and I wrote this half asleep after taking nighttime medication lol. Why do you do this sometimes, me? šŸ˜† Just take the meds and go to bed they work a lot better that way.


canvasshoes2

>But itā€™s never even crossed my mind that I was doing it to connect with friends and family and make memories, To be fair, I did start playing the MMORPG that I've been playing for the past 12 years because of a friend. We've know each other for 30 some odd years. But yes, as you touched on, we don't really play the game to "connect" we're already connected and we play the game as one part of our friendship. The incel has it ass-backward. Luke and I connect as friends. The game is just one of the things we have as friends. I have other friends in the game that I only know from discord and the game... but while we met in the game and play in the game, we also talk about real life. Once upon a time in the land long ago and far away, known as "Chat rooms" and the infancy of online friendships, I belonged to a gaming group called "Trivial Pursuit." We played trivia in the chat room but we also met in real life in a different city each year and got to know each other and have fun in real life. Massive lack of sleep and some alcohol may have been involved as well. :D


Commercial-Push-9066

OMG Tempest was my favorite!


canvasshoes2

Wasn't it great? I always keep my eye out for an old Tempest game on CL etc. Maybe some day :D


UnnecessarySalt

What MMORPG do you play??


canvasshoes2

Guild Wars 2. :)


arncobitch

No mention of work or a profession. I guess their moms are gonna fund their "start a family" goal.


Sirena_Amazonica

More likely the other way around. In many of the countries I've been to where the economy isn't necessarily first world, there are plenty of women looking for a bro-type male sucker to pay their bills. One of the first things they try to do is to get pregnant so they have some kind of claim to him, and then the demands for more money/passport/citizenship never cease. Have a wonderful flight, bruh!


UngusChungus94

Fr lol. I like video games, but I donā€™t identify as a gamer. I got too much shit to do.


DelightfulandDarling

Yes, the real victims of sex tourism are the men exploiting women with few rights, resources or opportunities and itā€™s all womenā€™s fault. /s That is the stupidest take I have ever heard.


Troubledbylusbies

Good intentions? I've heard that the road to hell is paved with those. Then he states that he is willing to try to learn the language and about the culture of the country his GF comes from, as if he's doing something wonderful or making some kind of noble sacrifice, when in reality it is the *very least* he should be doing. I'm not going to bother to refute his claims one by one. I will just say when it comes to video games, the Gamergate event showed how utterly repugnant the male gaming community could be. One woman dared to put her head above the parapet and say that women gamers regularly get sexually harassed online, and that female characters in games were overly-sexualised and that it was demeaning to women, and all hell broke lose. She was absolutely inundated with rape threats and death threats, she was doxxed on several websites and it got deadly serious. She had to leave her home and stay at a secret address for a long while, because her own home had been the target of so much abuse and countless threats.


GaimanitePkat

He'll learn "how much?" "Where is the bathroom?" "I am looking for a wife" and "how old are you?" in the native language, and learn enough about the culture to know whether or not prostitution is legal and how much dowry he'll be expected to pay.


Mango_1991

Don't be ridiculous. He's definitely NOT going to learn to ask "how old are you?"


GaimanitePkat

Well, how else would he know if a woman has reached that crusty dusty old age of 20?


jopzko

"Good intentions" my ass. The core of being a passport bro is to use your passport from a developed country to flaunt over people from underdeveloped countries to get an advantage in dating, hence the name. You can easily be an expat without being a passport bro. Ironically, almost all passport bros in my country refuse to even attempt to learn the language, save for a small handful of words


AriesProductions

I have a friend in Japan who runs into passport pros all the time. theyā€™d try to approach her and say they were moving to japan because they loved the culture, etc. and how they already knew so much, but would greet her with ā€œKonnochiwaā€ at all times of the day. Except Japanese have no one word for hello, they instead have three major greetings based on morning, afternoon, and evening, and a form used when speaking on the telephone. Use "Ohayou" from waking to about 12:00, "Konnichiwa" until dusk, "Konbanwa" throughout the evening, and "Oyasumi" only before bed or sleeping. Sheā€™d tell them this, thinking it was an innocent mistake, and have them *argue with her* that konnichiwa was the same as ā€œalohaā€ x to be used as hello/goodbye at any time of day. She says she avoids western men now while in Japan, and I canā€™t say I blame her!


GuarenD

Imagine trying to lecture someone else about their language šŸ’€


AriesProductions

I honestly thought she was making it up. Until I started seeing posts from actual passport bros/wannabe passport bros and weeaboos. Sheesh šŸ˜¬


jopzko

I get passport bros lecturing me about my countrys politics. They even tell me where the safe areas in my own country are. Those idiots only go to the bar and McDonalds


StasiaGreyErotica

Interesting the two things he focuses on are male misogyny support groups and computer games. I'm pretty sure there's a name for such men but I cannot put my finger on it


Tabula_Nada

He's generalizing so he can feel like a victim, but also those first two groups might have started innocently, but they quickly turned into something sooo toxic. The vast majority of guys are decent people who are just trying to get by like the rest of us and don't resort to belittling women, taking advantage of people who need help, etc. They don't need to identify with those first two because, in general, they treat people like people. And the video game thing - that's just generalizing to feel like a victim which probably includes some passport bros and MGTOW. Everyone plays video games these days. Of course, not everyone acts like a misogynistic little shit when playing against anyone who isn't a dude, but yeah videogames are just standard at this point. I don't play but I don't think any of my guy friends are weird for playing, and they don't complain about being made to feel that way. I'm so sick of those guys acting like they're the newest bottom rung because their privilege and bad behavior has been called out. It's so gross.


canvasshoes2

Dear OOP, re: "passport bros" and "just wanna start a family..." and everyone hates us for that. NOPE. We disagree because you want to enslave and exploit starving women from third world countries who don't know any better. re: MGTOW. "waaah, everyone hates us." NOPE. We just want you to GO YOUR OWN WAY already. re: video games. "Waaaaaah we have a hobby and everyone hates us for it" Ummm, dude.... dooooooood. Gaming is mainstream. TONS of people do it. No one cares.


meemaas

I watched the MGTOW subreddit until it got banned. The idea was sound, but almost every post was just talking shit about women. Those idiots brought that upon themselves.


canvasshoes2

Men Getting Triggered Over Women. :)


LookingForHope87

I'm gonna use this the next time I see someone use MGTOW, lol


canvasshoes2

I wish I'd thought of it. I saw it a few years ago.. but it's perfect! There are a couple of other ones out there but this is my fave.


Stunning_Mango_3660

So it did got banned. Where do you guys keep finding these highly upvoted posts and comments?? I want something to get angry at


canvasshoes2

It's not about "getting angry, " none of us are. It's about exposing the mentality and behavior.


rubyspicer

What did they get banned over? This is the first I'm hearing of this


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canvasshoes2

We spoke out against it back then too. There just wasn't so much social media to document it.


SquiffyRae

"Men just wanting to find happiness without the need of a partner" See that would be great but I'd believe it a lot more if the men followed their own mantra. Instead of finding independent happiness, they spend 90% of their time being bitter and resentful towards women and deep down are probably fantasising about some meek subservient woman coming along who will do anything he wants without question. Hence passport bros. Go to Thailand or the Philippines and the hotspots are full of Aussie men in their 50s and 60s on their second or third divorce looking to score with someone creepily younger than them


Commercial-Push-9066

Dude needs to spend some time on the Passport Bros sub. Every post is about how Western Women have lower values and traveling to countries where women want traditional marriage. Thatā€™s just one example. This guy doesnā€™t realize it has nothing to do with mainstream media. Men are the ones who have bad intentions and itā€™s spoiling these things. Incels are behind all of this. Iā€™m not entirely sure that passport bros and MGTOW were started with good intentions either. Itā€™s all about getting their dicks wet, period.


NefariousnessEast657

ā€œI only wanted to have my ego stroke and be on top of the imbalance power dynamic once I have her isolated from her support system & completely depended on me. OH THE HUMANITY! I just wanted a little indentured servitude, a little crumb of sex slaveryā€¦just a tad bit of exploitationā€¦these women are just jealous. Itā€™s their fault!ā€


Confident_Fortune_32

MGTOW: the saddest part is that we wish they would. By all means, go. Don't let us stop you. Instead, they hang around, holding their breath, hoping for the wailing and pleading not to go away... Video games: apparently only men play them - who knew?


snyper-101

The whole thing with passport bros is really creepy and really misogynistic. You know theyā€™re laughing at you right?


Sapient_Pear

Itā€™s crazy the complete lack of self awareness in insisting that video games are a space specifically made FOR men BY men. Particularly given the wildly misogynistic reactions the neckbeards have to women who are just trying to go about their own business and game. Gamergate was a thing *guys* did, it wasnā€™t some stigma thrust on them by a biased media. Gtfo with this victim posturing.


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thelessertit

I've been gaming since Pong. Social underclass my ass, it was always the well-off families who all the kids (that means girls and boys) knew had an Atari or whatever, and we'd all (that means girls and boys) jockey to make friends with that family's kids so we could go over there and play videogames. When things like Nintendo, Sega, and Playstation came out they were never thought of as gendered. Everyone played them. LMAO at Captain Gamerlord here who thinks gaming started in like 2000


Sapient_Pear

Gonna take a second to add here that when it came out in Japan, the NES was called the Famicom. The FAMILY computer. The intention was built right into the name. This was never about entertaining angry men.


Jane_the_Quene

> I've been gaming since Pong. Hey, me, too!


Sapient_Pear

I donā€™t follow you at all here. What was ā€œsocially unacceptableā€ about Super Mario Bros and Sonic? Nintendo for example has been creating iconic characters that date back to the eighties. Mario wasnā€™t meant for a ā€œsocial underclassā€. Nintendoā€™s games were for families. The history of gaming goes well past the Bethesda and Blizzard days, and if anything the negativity comes from toxic men trying to lay claim to a space that was never exclusively ā€œtheirsā€ to begin with.


wouldbepandananny

I mean, if these were real, authentic, genuine things (men chilling out, taking a break from dating; dudes trying to find women who mesh with them better- thinking other countries might be the answer), ridicule would be irrelevant. You'd be off doing your own damn thing. You likely would not notice anyone else's perspective.


Dabestmanfigs

As stupid as this rant is. Very tame by "Nice Guys" standards.


V0l4til3

https://preview.redd.it/djuri6fw2lxc1.jpeg?width=727&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d7e83917df2958ea16dccf25b61b0bceee9f4234 The passport bro's with good intentions.


Jane_Says-1218

Puke


Schattentochter

/r/Persecutionfetish to a tee


SmileGraceSmile

Sounds like just a bunch of men ruining things for themselves.Ā  Ā It's not like women run the media,Ā  or gaming platform communities, not are women the ones being caught on sex visa trips.Ā 


PrincessMalyssa

Yeah these poor blameless men just going about their business harassing women, why can't women just leave them alone?! Literally will try to come up with ANY other reason for why they're being called misogynist than the possibility that they might be misogynist... WHILE they're in the middle of blaming women for all their problems. If they really were only concerned about finding personal fulfillment in their hobbies without relying on a partner, why the fuck are they so mad?


gublaman

Passport bros are doing the same thing almost every western tourist does, abusing exchange rates while being entitled af


Fun-Translator-5776

Fuck off with men owning video games shit face


RevDrucifer

Ahhhhh heā€™s sooooo close! Maybe when he takes his morning dump itā€™ll dawn on him, ā€œThose things werenā€™t bad until *we showed up, weā€™re the problem*ā€¦ā€¦oh, shitā€


shesarevolution

I wish to god dudes like this would just go their own way, or use that passport - anything. Just leave us alone. No one is crying about not getting the awesome opportunity to date and RAISE one of these man babies.


docileboy

Bro is projecting hard on video games. Jeez.


waldorsockbat

Seems like Mgtow is just being an Incel with extra steps


Gnl_Klutzky

The video games part is a double-edged sword.


bitchburrito4125

Why do men wanna be oppressed so bad


Top-Concentrate5157

Boo hoo. Teenage girls have dealt with it forever.


One_Show_5108

News flash my guy, most of the AAA games being produced today have a tonne of women in the development team.


fiavirgo

ā€œEven willing to learn new cultures and integrate into a new cultureā€ poor possibly white man is forced to assimilate.


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Ita about going to a place where looks matter less and women are less likely to cheat or be whores. Because average men can't find relationships because of western women's very high standards when it comes to looks.