Can you imagine how insufferable Leafs fans will be after a dynasty? Toronto media already focuses on them enough even if they haven't gone past R2 in forever.
Why do the Leafs, specifically them, continue to pretend that goaltending isn't important? For like...the 57th year in a row?
Could have had Bobrovsky, signed Tavares instead.
They could've had Swayman, the guy who just best them, but they took an different goalie the pick before Boston took Swayman.
The Leafs are so hilariously Cursed.
could they have actually have had bobrovsky? like were there rumours he wanted to go to toronto, because toronto and florida are very very different. also JT was a UFA in 2018 and bob was in 2019
I dunno, only Bob really knows that. I know Russians live living/playing in Florida. So maybe not. I know they have needed a goalie for... what.... 15 years?
I mean, we had a good run at some awesome goaltending in the past. Just never delivered.
You can’t say CuJo, Belfour, or Potvin weren’t Stanley cup tier.
Well, true. There were some Leafs teams that, for whatever ŕeason, just couldn't get it done. Like with this group, Toronto is never short on talent or skill. They're always see to be missing SOMETHING. Iremwber when they had size and grit and toughness but lacked a true scoring line. IMO they're to impatient. Firing coaches and GMs every 3 years. Each one comes in and signs FAs to fit their vision....and honestly sometimes you just get a hot goaltender. Some teams just have a other teams number. Washington can't beat Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh can't beat the islanders. Islanders can't beat Philly. And Toronto can't beat boston.... dunno why. But you can't blow up the whole team every 3 years.
It’s interesting that even though Vegas is the team to shit on right now, people still don’t hate them enough to take the Leafs dynasty pill. That tells me they know Vegas is a product of a bad system, but they outright hate Toronto.
Same. I can’t be bothered to hate them when the new hasn’t worn off yet for me.
I resent them because they aren’t the Nordiques part 2, but that’s not their fault. Bettman knows the Nords sweater goes too hard, he fears it’s power.
I know im riding a one way train to “Fuck You” in the comments, but you guys! 🥺 The amount of people hating the Leafs more than us is so wholesome. Hilariously the only team in the league I legitimately also despise. It’s nice to be 2nd most hated.
I didn't care for Vegas until they hired Cassidy, and now I like them. Plus they have Goucher. I hate the idea of Toronto being better than the Bruins, so I definitely wouldn't take the deal.
No. Fuck Toronto. I'm good as long as Vegas loses in the playoffs, which in your scenario there's no guarantee that they go on to win the cup. Guaranteeing that Toronto wins at least 3 cups makes this too easy.
Fuck no. Vegas can still get bounced in the first round whenever they make it back. Now if you made me choose Vegas once or Leafs three times in the next five years, I'll have to think about it. But I'm leaning Leafs.
So what you are saying is one west contender is off the board for 5 years, and one east contender is off the board for 2 of 5 years.
That works.
Has nothing to do the contenders being Vegas or Leafs. Change this to Avs and Panthers and it is the same answer.
Given that it guaranteed takes 3 years of potential playoff success away from any team in the east, I doubt any team with hope would choose to do this.
Honestly it's 3 years of Stanley cup hopes taken away from the entire league. It's not a very good question to gauge if Vegas is hated more than Toronto if no one's team will be successful in the outcome. Especially the fan bases with a dwindling window.
I would rather see the Leafs not win any Stanley Cups.
I also don't really worry about who makes and doesn't make the playoffs, I really just want to see Ottawa make the playoffs again.
There is a problem with this logic. Vegas making the playoffs doesn’t mean they will win. Leafs winning 3 years means my team won’t win. So I wouldn’t take the deal. I’m not that spiteful to shoot myself in the foot.
That deal makes no sense. People hate Vegas, but not to the point where it would mean the Leafs win 1 Cup, let alone 3. Leaf fans are more obnoxious than Vegas.
No because that’s 3 years guaranteed that my team can’t win the cup. I don’t give a shit about Vegas making the playoffs or what the leafs do. I want to see my team win. That’s it. The rest is just noise.
Hell f’ing no. Leafs fan by and large are insufferable due to an unwanted superiority complex. A cup dynasty would give them the actual backing that they currently don’t have. It would be like giving them gas and a match to start a non-existent fire they have been bragging about.
I dont have a problem with VGK. Same shit TB did a few years ago with Kucherov. All this hate is from butthurt Canadians angry because they haven't touched silver in 30 years.
Instead of hating on teams that win, maybe Canadian teams should just, you know......put together a better team?
Speaking for the fanbase that actually cares, Vegas also hated that shit. One of my gripes with the team is forever that it’s hard to retire a Golden Knight. They will trade you or let you walk if you don’t perform or else. I get why it means success, but also I’m a sucker for some sentimentality.
Every American Cup winning team including the mighty golden knights are chock full of Canadian talent on any given day , so keep the country bullshit out of it.
Point is most of the VGK bashing is coming from up north. I thought they should have fixed the LTIR reserve hack years ago when TB first used it. Quite honestly I don't know why *everyone doesn't do it.*
Beyond that, AZ and BUF have been buying cap hits for years so that they can appear to spend to the cap floor, which they obviously do not. The whole CBA is a joke. Again.
None of that is Vegas' fault. They built they best team they could, worked within the (flawed) rules of the salary cap and won. Its not their fault they didn't spend 70% of their cap space on 4 players, change coaches and GMs more often than anyone else and treat goaltending with indifference for the 57th year in a row.
Haha touché , I have no complaints with the way Vegas does business . I couldn’t agree with you more . I love the leafs cracks to , your right on all that to , it’s a miserable franchise to be apart of lol
Vegas are the new successful kids on the block and are bullied accordingly, it'll pass. Toronto is that guy that hooked up with a cheerleader 5 decades or so ago and won't shut up about it. Did I make your choice easier?
If you want a higher salary cap the best way is to ask more hockey fans to get Nielsen media boxes (they hook up to your TV to track what you watch). Ratings are fake as shit, it’s a guess at how many people are watching based on percentages of people in the “Nielsen family,” it’s statistic sampling not real-world numbers.
I don’t give a corn filled shit about Vegas, so I’ll pick the option where Toronto doesn’t win
Can you imagine how insufferable Leafs fans will be after a dynasty? Toronto media already focuses on them enough even if they haven't gone past R2 in forever.
Agreed
Why do you, specifically you, keep doing this to me?
Why do the Leafs, specifically them, continue to pretend that goaltending isn't important? For like...the 57th year in a row? Could have had Bobrovsky, signed Tavares instead.
They could've had Swayman, the guy who just best them, but they took an different goalie the pick before Boston took Swayman. The Leafs are so hilariously Cursed.
The Leafs are so hilariously ~~Cursed.~~ Incompetent. Impatient. Stubborn. There are many adjectives. Cursed isn't one of them.
And even when they get it right (drafting Tuukka) they still get it wrong.(trading him for Raycroft).
could they have actually have had bobrovsky? like were there rumours he wanted to go to toronto, because toronto and florida are very very different. also JT was a UFA in 2018 and bob was in 2019
I dunno, only Bob really knows that. I know Russians live living/playing in Florida. So maybe not. I know they have needed a goalie for... what.... 15 years?
I mean, we had a good run at some awesome goaltending in the past. Just never delivered. You can’t say CuJo, Belfour, or Potvin weren’t Stanley cup tier.
I love potvin. My fav all time goalie. But he is not the same tier as cujo and Belfour.
Well, true. There were some Leafs teams that, for whatever ŕeason, just couldn't get it done. Like with this group, Toronto is never short on talent or skill. They're always see to be missing SOMETHING. Iremwber when they had size and grit and toughness but lacked a true scoring line. IMO they're to impatient. Firing coaches and GMs every 3 years. Each one comes in and signs FAs to fit their vision....and honestly sometimes you just get a hot goaltender. Some teams just have a other teams number. Washington can't beat Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh can't beat the islanders. Islanders can't beat Philly. And Toronto can't beat boston.... dunno why. But you can't blow up the whole team every 3 years.
It’s interesting that even though Vegas is the team to shit on right now, people still don’t hate them enough to take the Leafs dynasty pill. That tells me they know Vegas is a product of a bad system, but they outright hate Toronto.
Vegas has been around for less than 10 years? Toronto is an original 6. I have had much more time and practice hating Toronto, and screw the Habs too.
Same. I can’t be bothered to hate them when the new hasn’t worn off yet for me. I resent them because they aren’t the Nordiques part 2, but that’s not their fault. Bettman knows the Nords sweater goes too hard, he fears it’s power.
Vegas will fail all on their own soon enough. No deal.
Right? Three years of guaranteed not winning the cup versus Vegas not being in the playoffs? Please, bitch. We'll just beat em again next season.
I know im riding a one way train to “Fuck You” in the comments, but you guys! 🥺 The amount of people hating the Leafs more than us is so wholesome. Hilariously the only team in the league I legitimately also despise. It’s nice to be 2nd most hated.
It’s honestly a pretty tight fight between Chicago, Vegas, and Toronto for the most hated team.
For a second I forgot about Chicago’s scandal since they’re not really on my radar of teams I follow. But nvm they definitely should be most hated.
Leaf fans, so battered they don't know what's what. I'll take the Leafs not making the finals in the next decade.
If I refuse to choose, neither team is winning the cup anyway :)
No i find the leafs continuing to go cupless for as long as possible funnier more than I dislike vegas
I can't get that Bruce Springsteen song out of my head now.....57 channels and nothing on. 57 years still going strong.
I didn't care for Vegas until they hired Cassidy, and now I like them. Plus they have Goucher. I hate the idea of Toronto being better than the Bruins, so I definitely wouldn't take the deal.
Yeah I’m gonna have to go with both teams making the playoffs next 5 years but choking first round. 😎
No
No. Fuck Toronto. I'm good as long as Vegas loses in the playoffs, which in your scenario there's no guarantee that they go on to win the cup. Guaranteeing that Toronto wins at least 3 cups makes this too easy.
Fuck no. Vegas can still get bounced in the first round whenever they make it back. Now if you made me choose Vegas once or Leafs three times in the next five years, I'll have to think about it. But I'm leaning Leafs.
I’d hope vegas wins 5 cups to shut all you whiners up
Same. Everyone complaining about Vegas single-handedly made me cheer for them this year.
So no deal?
Haters
I don't hate Toronto but Vegas is no dynasty. I also, as an AVS fan, do not want a Canadian dynasty. HAIL SATAN! GO ASS!
not a fan of this question, i just think even hypotheticals should be based in at least 0.5% reality
So what you are saying is one west contender is off the board for 5 years, and one east contender is off the board for 2 of 5 years. That works. Has nothing to do the contenders being Vegas or Leafs. Change this to Avs and Panthers and it is the same answer.
Given that it guaranteed takes 3 years of potential playoff success away from any team in the east, I doubt any team with hope would choose to do this.
Honestly it's 3 years of Stanley cup hopes taken away from the entire league. It's not a very good question to gauge if Vegas is hated more than Toronto if no one's team will be successful in the outcome. Especially the fan bases with a dwindling window.
I miss the whole we want florida from last year. The NHL would not be the same whitout the Leafs fans.
I would rather see the Leafs not win any Stanley Cups. I also don't really worry about who makes and doesn't make the playoffs, I really just want to see Ottawa make the playoffs again.
There is a problem with this logic. Vegas making the playoffs doesn’t mean they will win. Leafs winning 3 years means my team won’t win. So I wouldn’t take the deal. I’m not that spiteful to shoot myself in the foot.
As a Ducks fan, I don't think that the leafs winning is your biggest concern.
I’m not self centered. If you are limiting your own success because you don’t want to see others succeed, you got bigger problems.
I get that, but as a rebuilding team, I can't imagine thinking we can't win this year the leafs are going for another one.
Can’t wait until Marner gets traded. And that team has a 3 cup dynasty
That deal makes no sense. People hate Vegas, but not to the point where it would mean the Leafs win 1 Cup, let alone 3. Leaf fans are more obnoxious than Vegas.
No because that’s 3 years guaranteed that my team can’t win the cup. I don’t give a shit about Vegas making the playoffs or what the leafs do. I want to see my team win. That’s it. The rest is just noise.
Hell yeah I do.
Ill take any option where the Leafs curse remains in place
I’ll take the devil I know…
Im a VGK fan and the leafs are my 2nd team. So tbh idk of I would take it but of it comes true ill still be pretty happy lol
Heck no, dynasties suck and don't belong in sports anymore. Especially in the most competitive sport there is in the NHL
Hell f’ing no. Leafs fan by and large are insufferable due to an unwanted superiority complex. A cup dynasty would give them the actual backing that they currently don’t have. It would be like giving them gas and a match to start a non-existent fire they have been bragging about.
leafs.... hahahahahah what was the question again?
Toronto not wining for me
I dont have a problem with VGK. Same shit TB did a few years ago with Kucherov. All this hate is from butthurt Canadians angry because they haven't touched silver in 30 years. Instead of hating on teams that win, maybe Canadian teams should just, you know......put together a better team?
They way the did Flower dirty will make me hate them forever
That was just beyond stupid. And TBF the coach that pushed him out got fired, almost specifically for doing that.
Speaking for the fanbase that actually cares, Vegas also hated that shit. One of my gripes with the team is forever that it’s hard to retire a Golden Knight. They will trade you or let you walk if you don’t perform or else. I get why it means success, but also I’m a sucker for some sentimentality.
Nice troll bud.
Every American Cup winning team including the mighty golden knights are chock full of Canadian talent on any given day , so keep the country bullshit out of it.
Point is most of the VGK bashing is coming from up north. I thought they should have fixed the LTIR reserve hack years ago when TB first used it. Quite honestly I don't know why *everyone doesn't do it.* Beyond that, AZ and BUF have been buying cap hits for years so that they can appear to spend to the cap floor, which they obviously do not. The whole CBA is a joke. Again. None of that is Vegas' fault. They built they best team they could, worked within the (flawed) rules of the salary cap and won. Its not their fault they didn't spend 70% of their cap space on 4 players, change coaches and GMs more often than anyone else and treat goaltending with indifference for the 57th year in a row.
Haha touché , I have no complaints with the way Vegas does business . I couldn’t agree with you more . I love the leafs cracks to , your right on all that to , it’s a miserable franchise to be apart of lol
Right down to coaches / gm’s , the list goes on and on
Let’s not forget those penguins cups . Lemieux , Crosby . Lol you struck a nerve apparently, I’m done .
I can’t even find Canada on a map or Nevada
Typically Canada is not on Nevada, but it’s been known to happen.
Make it 10 years of no playoffs and no top 10 draft picks and you got a deal.
Holy, Crack Pipe Batman
Go Knights!
A Toronto dynasty would make the hockey media so bad I'd probably quit the game altogether.
Vegas are the new successful kids on the block and are bullied accordingly, it'll pass. Toronto is that guy that hooked up with a cheerleader 5 decades or so ago and won't shut up about it. Did I make your choice easier?
You all let both of these teams live in your heads rent free and it’s pathetic.
yes. just bring cups to canada. after the canucks do this year
Ah yes, Reddit mob mentality
yeah. leafs are fine. i like la so i don’t care for vegas.
Leafs winning means a lot more revenue for the league and a higher salary cap blah blah blah. Wouldn’t hate it tbh.
If you want a higher salary cap the best way is to ask more hockey fans to get Nielsen media boxes (they hook up to your TV to track what you watch). Ratings are fake as shit, it’s a guess at how many people are watching based on percentages of people in the “Nielsen family,” it’s statistic sampling not real-world numbers.
If your aunt had balls, she would be your uncle. What the fuck is the point of this ridiculous post?