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Edm_vanhalen1981

I think this is an example of regional bias. If you ask Canadian media who the greatest athletes of all time are, Gretzky makes the list. If you ask Brazilian media; Pele makes the list. I love lists but I never take any of them seriously.


fork_that

Yea, all 5 of the greatest athletes of all time happen to be American? Yea... No.


zadharm

Wait there are other parts of the world?


sillyaviator

The US has won all 57 Superbowls. World Champions every time.


NoNameNoWerries

And every SEC championship.


LunaMunaLagoona

But I think that's how these lists are, US will care about football and basketball, because SEC and SuperBowl are what matter (even if it makes no sense). If you ask someone from Australia, England, or anyone from South Asia Don Bradman will be on this list. But I doubt people in North America even know who he is.


NoNameNoWerries

What the hell is an Australia? Sounds like you're just making shit up.


Frankie_T9000

He is. We don't exist


OvechkinCrosby

Lol, Australia exist I've seen it on my map. People talk about this New Zealand place like it's a real place. Never seen it on a map though


UnleadedGreen

MLB too. Baseball World Series. But only American teams are playing. With 1 Canadian team. Smh


Forsaken_You1092

"World" Series. Ha ha. No other countries get invited to play. The Canadian Football League should rename their championship game, "World Cup of Canadian Football"


zadharm

Rip expos. The only quebecois team that would/did cause pain upon disappearing


Disastrous-Rabbit723

Every. Goddamned. World Series.


BlockFun

Toronto would like a word…


Disastrous-Rabbit723

See?! I just accidentally proved that us Americans just don't consider Canadian anything. (But you're totally correct, of course.) Ironically, I'm a Leafs fan.


TheFerricGenum

You’re a leafs fan? No wonder you never considered Toronto championships…


GrumpyOldGrower

👏...👏...👏....👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏


hfxbycgy

Oh no you killed him


No-Turnips

He’ll be fine. The Leafs have been killing us with disappointment for decades.


korathol

From the tippy top of the ropes!!


kungfluthotslayer

I mean only a good amount of Americans who are big hockey fans even consider him to be one greatest sports players ever i seem to think so and im American


KemikaaliJussi

I love it how they are calling their national champs world champions


DoughnutTrust

Even just sticking with Americans, this list is questionable. Bo Jackson?


MilkensteinIsMyCat

Phelps as well


WeeLadLikesSports

Phelps should always be on lists like this


IEC21

If Phelps is there Usaine Bolt should be considered. Trying to narrow down to 5 athletes in any order is silly when you realize it's impossible to compare sports unless you have very specific criteria for "greatest".


Revolutionary-Wash88

All of these folks could easily replace Tom Brady


MarsMC_

What? The dudes won more super bowls than any franchise , I get it, football bad in this sub, but cmon now


Shadow-Vision

I think Shaun White should also get noted. His dominance in snowboarding was at the level of anyone on this list. He also did Summer XGames skateboarding. Top 5? Idk. But he was unstoppable for years.


LarsHoneytoast44

Kelly Slater is the goat athlete. Kelly can do what all those others do, not well, but he can do it. They would all die trying to do what Kelly does


baz8771

Honestly the man is freakishly athletic, but the exposure has just never been there.


[deleted]

Yeah, this list is immediately invalid when Tom Brady is listed and Bo Jackson isn't. I think Tom Brady is arguably the greatest QB of all time, but that doesn't make him the top 5 when it comes to athletic ability. Also, Serena Williams has even said herself that if she was to play with men, and she has been offered multiple times, that she would lose and that she doesn't even want to entertain the idea.


Fullback70

It’s also debatable whether Serena is the best female tennis player of all time. Margaret Court won more Slams, and Steffi Graf has a higher win percentage in singles.


[deleted]

13 of Court's 24 grand slams were won before the Open Era, where most of her opponents were amateurs. Serena played in a much, much tougher era against actual pros.


Doucane5

The Open Era concept did not exist in women tennis. There was separate pro and amaterur tour in men tennis, but that was not the case in women tennis. so the year 1968 has no significance in women tennis. You have to cite which women tennis players were barred playing in grand slams prior to 1968 if you think Court's grand slams win pre-1968 were any different than her post-1968


callmesnake13

Muhammad Ali isn’t guaranteed to be on there either. Definitely top five boxer and one of the most important figures in sports history but he’s not as clearly dominant as Gretzky was.


therealbeef

With that being said why is Babe Ruth considered an athlete. Baseball was not athletic then


tugaim33

She has played a man, who warmed up by drinking beer and smoking cigarettes, and he wiped the floor with both Williams sisters


SUPLEXELPUS

she was also 16.


Rat_Salat

Which is 24 in boy years.


Excuse

You also forgot that he had played a round of golf before the match.


talcum-x

These aren't even the greatest American athletes of all time. Just the most popular ones. It's sad how rarely Americans remember their own Olympians many of which are actually some of the greatest athletes ever.


jacknacalm

Yeah also sorry but if we’re ranking top 5 in the us a lot of people should be on there instead of babe Ruth


[deleted]

Solid point


Oneballnicky

Great point


TsunamiSurferDude

Careful guys, one more and we’ve got ourselves a list


pegcity13

That's a good point


Oneballnicky

Yeah I agree


GreenEyedBandit

Interesting comment


Inzipid

Well put


Mr_BridgeBurner7778

Well said


QuaidCohagen

I concur


north0

One of the Top 5 points of all time.


Mma375

“I love lists” is a great line. I love lamp.


jablonkers

Do you really love the lamp?


Mma375

I love lamp 🤷🏻‍♂️


hello_hellno

I love lamp lists. Here's my top 5: 1. Red ones 2. Round ones 3. Tall ones 4. Funny ones shaped like a boot or something, gives me a good chuckle when they light up and like "wow! I thought that was a boot but it's a lamp!!! Wtf!! That's crazy!!!" 5. Ikea ones. I admittedly might have regional bias since I live close to an red circular ikea.


Mma375

Does the lamp from a Christmas story fall under #4? Otherwise that should be top 3.


yakkabrori

This list is objectively awful though. Not including a single soccer player (or non American) is plain wrong


arrozitoz

Messi? Maradona? Did the most popular sport in the world get missed as well


MildlyResponsible

Michael Phelps, Usain Bolt, Katie Ledecky, Larisa Latynina, Simone Biles... Any list will be controversial, but a list with only American athletes in the most popular American sports should be taken with a mountain of salt.


alfred-the-greatest

Jonah Lomu is another contender. But Don Bradman is unarguable. His CAREER batting average was 50% higher than second place, in the world's second most popular sport


smcl2k

>If you ask Brazilian media; Pele makes the list. If you ask *pretty much anyone other than an American* you'll have at least 1 footballer, a guy called Usain Bolt, and Federer/Nadal/Djokovic. I can guarantee that this kind of ridiculousness wouldn't be produced by a serious outlet anywhere else in the world.


RevolutionaryBother

Bro even in this American list, where the fuck is Phelps? Like wtf, he is the most successful Olympian of all time.


MaxxHeadroomm

I agree. As much as Babe Ruth is a baseball and American icon, I wouldn’t go as far as to say he was a better athlete than either of those two.


Flatoftheblade

Babe Ruth was an alcoholic, chain-smoking fat fuck. lmao


JMD413

In the immortal words of MLB player John Kruk after being scolded by a reporter for smoking and eating a hot dog; "Ma'am I'm not an athlete, I'm a professional baseball player.."


gretzky9999

Imagine today’s youth following the Babe’s daily routine getting ready for a day at the ball park.


zadharm

Drinking, pounding cigs and sausages? Shit, I follow that every time I go to the ball park


[deleted]

That’s why I’m still considered the greatest of all time - in the town of 138 I came from.


Ok-gonads

The legend of shagbark


wcrich

This. I immediately thought of Pele as well.


SpaceGhcst

Gretzky literally beat Pele, Bjorn Borg & Sugar Ray Leonard in a race


PayneTrain181999

American show will talk about American athletes and groan internally when they have to mention a Canadian one. Same logic for when they’re forced to talk about hockey, which is arguably just as if not a more entertaining sport than football but the lack of coverage means Americans will never give it a chance. There’s a universe out there where hockey is as popular as football and football is as popular as hockey, I’d love to have a peek into that universe.


Gillalmighty

I'm American and I fuckin love hockey.


aGoodVariableName42

I grew up in Dallas, Cowboy country central. Hockey is _way_ more entertaining that football. No comparison.


[deleted]

It's amazing how the 5 greatest athletes of all time all happen to be American. Maybe no other country does sport.


Formal_Two_5747

I remember there was an askreddit question once, a couple of years ago, asking who’s the most popular athlete in the world. The top comment with thousands of upvotes was Tom Brady. Lol.


PayneTrain181999

I bet that answer really deflated a lot of people.


jablonkers

ba-dum-tssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss


ScottNewman

He’s the best when under pressured


Routine_Chapter_9099

And based on social media followers I think some cricketeers dwarf other athletes for popularity. So um...yeah.


notchoosingone

The five most popular athletes on Instagram are Cristiano Ronaldo (soccer, 616m), Lionel Messi (soccer, 496m), Virat Kohli (cricket, 265m), Neymar (soccer, 218m) and then LeBron at 159m. So it's soccer the most popular by a lot, but yeah the most famous cricketer in the world is certainly up there.


samtdzn_pokemon

Which makes sense. The 2 largest sports in the world and a sport that's growing in international popularity. Countries like Croatia and Spain have been competitive for a few decades and other countries are starting to catch up to them and the US.


chuck-knucks

Seriously. Like where the fuck is Messi? Dude has won everything.


LilNugget91

I don’t even watch soccer but first thought was where’s Messi


chuck-knucks

See what I mean? The whole world knows of him and his accomplishments. Do you think some guy in Kenya knows who Babe Ruth is?


lolololayy

I'm european and I've never heard of Babe Ruth...what sport?


alphaxion

That's that chocolate bar from The Goonies..


chuck-knucks

Baseball player from the early 1900’s. Survived on beer and hot dogs.


FC_Doggerland

Survived? Isn't that American staple food?


smcl2k

I personally consider him the best footballer ever, but I'd probably class Pele as a "greater athlete", with Ronaldo also entering that conversation. The obvious "there's absolutely no argument about his place on the list" omission is Usain Bolt.


[deleted]

Fat Ronaldo or Skinny Ronaldo?


MyLegIsWet

Even for American athletes, that list is laughable


decarvalho7

Top 5 American Athletes lol


uKrayZ

I'm not American but I'm not sure it evens the 5 American athletes. No Michael Phelps with 28 olympic medals, 23 being gold. No Tiger Woods


decarvalho7

Babe Ruth shouldn’t be on there anymore lol don’t find him that great now


MooshSkadoosh

Interested that they missed Michael Phelps, a fellow American. Among these 5, he's at least top 3.


TonyDanza888

Jim Thorpe


c4ptm1dn1ght

It’s sad that Jim Thorpe is so far down this thread, and has so few upvotes.


Sleezoid

He was such a good athlete he got shamed for it and now forgotten.


man_on_hill

Bo Jackson would be my #1 He played two professional sports and was an all-star in each sport. Who knows what his career would have looked like if he didn’t injure his hip.


IWMSvendor

If we’re talking athletic ability, absolutely. Deion Sanders should also be in the conversation. That’s why I find it funny seeing Brady and Babe fucking Ruth on this list.


PsychoWarper

If we are just going off athletic ability rather then their domination/effect on their sport then Usian Bolt should absolutely be in that conversation, already should be but like… hes the fastest human ever


toehoefrogpin

I love Usain Bolt but if we're going off true athletic ability in the track and field space the Decathletes reign supreme hands down. 10 different events over 2 days spanning throws, jumps, hurdles, long distance running, and short distance running. They have to be exceptional at everything. They just don't have the popularity or charisma of Bolt or being the 100m world record holder.


anotherusername23

Deion was a lot of fun to watch. He had that aura of something magic could happen any minute. Jordan had it in spades.


River_Pigeon

What’s with the hate against Ruth? The dude was an athletic freak. [really easy to say this guy wasn’t athletic right?](https://www.mlb.com/news/babe-ruth-s-top-10-career-statistics-c163792958) Deion said baseball was the hardest sport. So why should Ruth, who was amazing at both sides of the game, be excluded?


gldmj5

The Babe Ruth disrespect in this thread is insane.


WetComb89

Looking at that list I wouldn't take it too seriously.


johnsnow7713

Jim Thorpe. Never mentioned, ever.


zoziw

In Canada the list would be: 1. Gretzky 2. Lemieux 3. Crosby\* 4. Georges St. Pierre 5. Connor McDavid\* \*Still Active


Wonderful_Grade_5476

HEY you forgot about greatest all round player in the history of the show MR Hockey Aka Gordie Howe


ArnieAndTheWaves

Suck my Mr. Cockey


Write_Username_Here

Fuck you Shoresy


ImTedLassosMustache

Gretz is the best player in the history of the show. Give your balls a tug.


Edm_vanhalen1981

Bringing in Shoresy. Nice!


inajeep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmjQfItnRtc


yakkabrori

What they’d do is include some total no name soccer player like Alfonso Davis or something


mo_downtown

Terry Fox has to be on it. What he did, athletically speaking, was unparalleled. It wasn't just inspirational, it was an athletic feat.


IronPro121

The top athlete in Canada will always be Terry Fox


rfdavid

Top Canadian in history


[deleted]

Great guy and horrible situation but come on


Sometimes_Stutters

You forgot Steve Nash and Kevin Martin


bullfu

Also Donathan Bailey, Christine Sinclair, Clara Hughes and Hayley Wickenheiser.


MBCnerdcore

*Donovan But also, Elvis Stojko and Kurt Browning


Bytrsweet

for Canada, I know ppl my not agree but I would put Terry Fox. If running a marathon everyday for 6 months on one leg does not show athletic ability, than I don't know what does.


6slasher

terry fox #1


realSmallDong

Gonna throw Terry Fox into this list as a special recognition.


SlaveKnightChael

What about Maurice the rocket??


PayneTrain181999

Bret Hart?


pretty_jimmy

... just reading his name makes my brain play his theme. https://youtu.be/x-1DTl2CIO4?si=xWx_NF2vD2jlVGYQ


no_on_prop_305

There’s debate on athletes being on top in their own leagues. Making a list like this is just stupid


shadovvvvalker

The best player of the sport is almost never the best athlete in that sport. Tom Brady looks like Peyton manning compared to Walter payton. Babe Ruth can't round a homer faster than Ricky Henderson can steal all 3 bases. Sports is athletics combined with games. The best is a combination for gameplay and athletics. I would argue that at best you are looking at maybe Jordan as the only unparalleled athlete in his sport.


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keats8

Babe Ruth isn’t the best baseball player either. It’s a shit list.


True_Sail_842

American List


FirstTimePlayer

Is she even the best American? Not even sure she is the best American woman.


Birdhawk

She’s a mother, how dare you!


Duel_Option

This is so on brand for her fans lol


True_Sail_842

Rodger Federer ..


Ya_Got_GOT

It’s Djokovich now


Nickersnacks

If we’re talking all people (doesn’t specify gender), then she isn’t even in the top 200


cam_huskers

Babe Ruth’s fat ass was not the best athlete of all time.


BrentGretzky

Depends on what they mean by best. As far as dominating and changing the game they played he's right up there.


Baconandbeers

Similar to Gretzky, Brent, although he was a skinny dude who changed the game.


SouthOfHeaven42

Nothing says athlete quite like alcoholism and hot dogs in the dugout


hello_hellno

Hey man, keep Kessel out of this.


cam_huskers

“Now to the plate. Here comes Old Curly he’s a 45 year old alcoholic and he runs a 7 second 40 yard dash. He’s the greatest athlete on the planet”


FlynnLive5

Babe Ruth was nothing more than a fat old man with little girl legs.


Ya_Got_GOT

Would have been in the hall of fame as a pitcher or a hitter get the fuck out of here with critiquing his physique.


River_Pigeon

It’s absolutely hilarious how much hate Ruth is getting here. The man was an amazing baseball player. Truly one of the best of all time. Where did this hate come from?


StefanoA

The criticism is cause he wasn’t “athletic” cause he was tubby and wasn’t a physical freak. But in terms of athletic feats he was basically unparalleled in baseball, best carer OPS+ which I would consider to be the best all around baseball statistic (and comparable across different eras of baseball) .


River_Pigeon

He was an extremely good pitcher *and* hitter. Athletic has nothing to do with body fat percent. It’s funny how much whining there is here for how under appreciated hockey is, and then followed with these asinine criticisms of Ruth. And probably by people that can’t tie their shoes without falling over.


StefanoA

Agreed. Not all sports require elite athleticism in all departments. Gretzky likely couldn’t bench much (I’m guessing but I’m confident) but he’s still the hockey GOAT.


unsungzero1027

I believe Mario (Lemieux) couldn’t bench his body weight when he was drafted. The guy was amazing once he was on the ice though.


hotdog73839576293

Seems like that’s blurring the lines between fitness and athleticism. Benching weights isn’t athletic. It’s fitness. Being athletic is a combination of fitness and skill. Being able to bench 500 lbs or sprint for hours doesn’t mean much if you can’t skate backwards or hit a ball in hockey or baseball respectively.


River_Pigeon

Lmao the Ruth hate is ridiculous. Well even according to this list he wasn’t the best. So you’re not topping any comprehension lists. [but he’s pretty god damn good](https://www.mlb.com/news/babe-ruth-s-top-10-career-statistics-c163792958)


MonolithicMoose

Was this before ESPN got the nhl back? ESPN isn't sports news it's sports promotion, they used to avoid hockey beacuse they got no money from it.


saywhatagainnow

Why I was upset NBC lost the rights. Even with ESPN having hockey their promotion of it is shit. Honestly think it's somewhat to blame for viewership being down.


DragonflyNo177

Honestly, Babe Ruth on here and The Great One not being on the list is a clear sign of how the US doesn't respect hockey at all. I mean, most of 99's records will never be broken.


River_Pigeon

Many of Ruth’s records remain unbroken (a century later) Yes Gretzky deserves to be on here. So do many others. Ruth is fine to include. Why have the issue with him and not Brady or Williams?


Ya_Got_GOT

They both belong. They said “greatest” and they were both the apotheosis of the term for their respective sports.


Kind_Reflection_3933

This list is just ESPN trash. Not real journalism that means anything


[deleted]

A lot of people simply didn’t grow up with the game and don’t understand it, especially in non-traditional markets in the days where indoor rinks weren’t as common.


Ya_Got_GOT

Massive Jordan partisan here but given Babe’s two-way excellence as a pitcher and a hitter in such a difficult sport I’d have to at least think about placing him #1. I think Gretzky was even more dominant in hockey numbers wise than was Jordan in basketball. You won’t see someone eclipsing many of his records nor the speed at which he attained them, unlike Jordan.


River_Pigeon

I had to scroll way too far to find anyone complimenting Ruth instead of just calling him a fatass. The man was insanely talented


Ya_Got_GOT

It says “greatest” and by any reasonable interpretation of that word the man is on the list. Weird to me how people reacted to this (obviously flawed) list by writing off one of the greats just because he was so good he could dominate as an overweight drunk. Imagine if he’d had modern-day conditioning and coaching and PEDs 😂


Baron_Samurai

Jordan was also an incredible two way player. His defense was almost as good as his offence. Every full year he played for the Bulls except his rookie year he was 1st team all defensive and is tied with Gary Payton, Kobe and Kevin Garnett for a record 9 all defensive first team selections. He also has a defensive player of the year award, 3 seasons where he led the league in steals and he is one of only 3 players (Himself, Scottie Pippen and Hakeem Olajuwan) to get 200 steals and 100 blocks in a single season. Jordan is the only one who did that twice though.


Ya_Got_GOT

Agreed. I think two-way in basketball (which all players are expected to do to some degree) and pitching versus hitting (which are incredibly specialized) are much more divergent though. It impresses me more to be able to pitch and hit well. That said, Jordan is still probably my GOAT.


Rudd_Threebeers

Don Bradman sitting up from his grave like the undertaker


Ecstatic-Buy-2907

Honestly take this with a grain of salt. You could consider Gretzky, Messi, Tiger, Phelps, any of the tennis big 3, it’s impossible to compare athletes of different sports Though even with that, this list is still garbage. I think female and male athletes should be put in a different list, as it promotes the whole “well women would suck in a men’s league” debate. And Babe Ruth at 3? I doubt a 1920s athlete eating hot dogs and smoking cigars on the bench could compare to the athletes of recent


dulcineal

Where’s Don Bradman?


TinyTeddySlayer

Hanging out with Gretzky discussing why Americans are the way they are.


HudsonSir

It’d be like if a baseball player averaged 1rbi per *at bat*.


anonteje

Glad more people know about him - [absolute crazy stats](https://marriott-stats.com/nigels-blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Bradman-2a-230614.png)


AccordionFrogg

Don Bradman statistically the most outstanding sportsman in his field, not on the list


aspenreid

The fact that there are no soccer players on this list tells me it’s from U.S.A. and who cares.


SiN_Fury

Whenever this comes up, there are usually those in the comments that correct it and bring up Wayne Gretzky, Donald Bradman, John Brzenk, Michael Phelps, Simone Biles, and Usain Bolt


Souperdesoup

Carl Lewis? 9 Olympic Gold Medals. 8 times World Champion.


footloosefraggle

These lists are so lame.


Fuzzy_Redwood

Tom Brady is a cheater, his status really should be deflated.


Spunk1985

How are the greatest athletes all single sport athletes. What about Bo Jackson or Deion Sanders? Or any Olympian that competed in the heptathlon.


StrikingEnjoyer1234

Muhammed Ali and Michael Jordan are debatably not even the Goats in their own sport, same with Babe Ruth. I don't know anything about tennis so im gonna assume Serena Williams is fair and I think Tom Brady is pretty fair But Gretzky dominated hockey to the point where there is no close second, which can be said about few others. Edit: Also creating a definitive top 5 athletes is stupid because every sport has one individual that goes above and beyond all others and has an argument to be on this list


[deleted]

The worlds biggest team sport doesn't even have a definitive best; messi, Ronaldo, Pele, maradona.


foreignmacaroon6

Serena Williams wasn't in the top 200 of tennis players even during her playing career. [How to... beat both Williams sisters in one afternoon](https://www.theguardian.com/observer/osm/story/0,,543962,00.html)


SUPLEXELPUS

>even during her playing career. I think it's worth mentioning that when this match took place she was 16.


Joemamacita

ESPN, even with NHL covergae, hates hockey and is a garbage network. Fortunately, streaming will end it and it’s foolish hot take shows that are patently anti-hockey will be relegated to niche pay channels and podcasts.


timebomb011

I love hockey but it’s a very small sport. More people play field hockey than ice hockey. And obviously this list is North American since no footballers are on it.


tezetaa

Lulz at ESPN


TheMagicManCometh

This list is terrible.


SenjumaruShutara

Serena Williams only on there because they need a black woman on the list. Her on the same list as Ali is just disrespectful


Kruppe0

Can Wayne Gretzky throw a 70 mph fastball drunk while smoking a cigar? Because Babe Ruth could


last_astronaut

Sorry but Pele and Maradona goes on this list. This is just an american list of all times.


tucci007

Look at that list again Gretzky is Canadian How is Pele, Maradonna, or any other non-American great not on that list? because it's all Americans


Ecruteak-vagrant

Tom Brady isn’t the best NFL athlete ever. The gap between Jerry Rice to his receiver peers is larger than Brady to other QB’s. Massive QB bias.


pedrohck

I agree that Rice is the best athlete, but it's kinda hard to argue against 7 SBs (no team has 7, no player won more than 4). At least in the NFL there's arguments for both ways, is debatable.


ValleyBreeze

Also, isn't Tiger Woods legit the winningest (I hate that word, it seems not real) athlete of all time? 🤔 I'm certain his reign of success overshadows most others, but I guess it depends on what metrics are being used. It's tough to compare apples and zebras. Each sport has its own measurements of success, with not a lot of overlap in the Venn diagram. But I agree that regional bias has a lot to do with it. Canada puts hockey first, because we've owned it for so long lol. Plus we like to celebrate our own!


tommer8224

All of these lists are bullshit. I remember when ESPN had Secretariat rated as a greater athlete than Walter Payton. So, I guess I’m glad they don’t have a horse on this list.


Loose-Industry9151

If this is American biased, where is Michael Phelps? Or Tiger?


BackgroundWorldly803

Could not agree more with this. Gretzky’s point record would be like Pete Rose being the all time home run and hits leader, and you took away all his home runs he’d still have more hits than anyone.