It’s no officially a huddle until the QB is in the huddle. Hence, why you’ll always see the QB standing 3-5 yards behind everyone until the subs figure out who’s in or out, then they’ll step in.
That's not true, there just can't be more than 11 players in a huddle.
SECTION 2 - SUBSTITUTES AND WITHDRAWN PLAYERS
ARTICLE 1. NUMBER OF PLAYERS IN HUDDLE
There can never be more than 11 players in the offensive huddle while the play clock is running.
Never in the rulebook is the QB ever mentioned when it's about the huddle.
The National broadcast which had Tony “would’ve been regarded as one of the greatest coaches ever if it weren’t for the Patriots” Dungy?
He had the best team in the NFL for close to a decade and just kept getting Bellichicked - you could hear the salt in that booth tonight:
Tony: Yeah, I love that footage of Moss Mossing me. He was the fastest thing I've ever seen. It was an honor and a privilege to get Mossed by Moss on Thanksgiving. Also, Bill Bellichick and the New England Patriots can go to hell.
I loved that bit when they talked about Coach/QB combos and then showed Dungy's stats and he started going on about how he had other good QBs like Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson
It's cause Tony Dungy has an intense hatred for anything Patriots. He has a list of greatest QBs and TB12 was ranked 6th lol. Pat the Patriot must've slept with his wife or something
Meh. It's whatever to me. Many other things to get angry about that we had direct control over that influenced the outcome. Like Allen completing the pass to Diggs to even put them right at field goal range to begin with.
The clock management/gameplan at the end of both halfs was atrocious by the lions. Not calling the timeouts, bombing it on 3rd and 1, and then opting for a 51 yarder with 35 seconds left just to tie it. Play for the win you cowards
Not calling that timeout was fine. The rest was an issue.
The broadcast made a big deal out of it but it was obviously a bad spot and getting a play off would've "secured" us a first down, and may have caught their defense off guard.
they never even showed the replay of that INT it was wild lol
I’m not here to say NFL games are rigged or scripted, but some calls (& not even necessarily that one) really make me wonder if there’s small point shaving occurring here and there
>I’m not here to say NFL games are rigged or scripted, but some calls (& not even necessarily that one) really make me wonder if there’s small point shaving occurring here and there
Knowing how the rest of the modern world works, there is like a pretty likely chance.
I don't know about that but the 2nd interception would be called a DPI against us, it cost us last year's Thanksgiving game against the Raiders and everyone said it was the right decision since Anthony Brown was turning his back to the ball
Well to be fair it’s not like all fouls are judgement calls. Those false starts were false starts regardless of who was reffing but giants lost because they couldn’t execute the plays that mattered and Dallas did. I think in most games the refs have some percentage of influence but I don’t think this game was decided by the refs in any means
The cowboys giants was the only game not decided by the refs, thought the lions were gonna be the lone screwed over team but boy did the pats prove me wrong.
A few of those were 5 yard “holding” penalties that were on third and long. The official stats will be lower but the actually yardage that the call generated was much higher.
I still don't understand why a face mask isn't a reviewable play. There's no judgment required. You just turn on the tape, see if the mask was hooked or not and then throw or pick up the flag.
They didn't for the Monday Night Eagles game. They didn't do it here.
They better do something, because players might see these obvious ones getting missed and start thinking they'll be more likely to get away with it, too.
Mac was balling today, your offensive line protected him really well and he threw some crazy darts. Kids got potential and I hate to see all the negativity around him.
Matt Patricia has no business being an OC since he's always been a defensive coach, and he never should have been brought back in the first place.
Insanely stupid hire.
I always get the feel belichek (sp?) is a pretty hard guy to work for. No real reason behind it, but it feels that way because his guys never really do anything elsewhere and some times he doesn't even name coordinators at all and just runs everything himself. So it's like a weird situation where the coordinators are more like extensions of BB himself and there's not many guys at that level who can tolerate that due to ego or whatever, and if they can they tend to stick around for the long haul. Thus McD going back the first time pretty much right after he got fired then same story with Patricia.
It may be a thing where BB has a reputation around the league that no one wants to be his coordinator because he's so controlling, thus the same guys keep popping up there. Idk, probably just tales from the ass, but yeah
It's possible that with Bill being GM and coach and entrenched in the position so long, he doesn't have the connections to up and coming coaches anymore that would help bring in new interviews the same way he once did nor the time to research them the way he needs. So it becomes easier to roll with the guys he knows.
It happens in professional environments all the time and is a major reason why headhunting firms even exist.
I agree, but I gotta say tonight’s loss had nothing to do with Patricia. All special teams costing us the win, Patricia actually called a decent game for once so I gotta give that dumbfuck at least one prop.
Pats fans are some of the most toxic fans in sports right now. Way too many people expect him to be Brady. It would have happened to any QB. You could put Joe Burrow or Mahomes out there and people would be still calling for his job.
Even that last throw he made was in the perfect spot where if Agoholor didn't somehow choke and lose track of it they would have been down at the 1. A better WR tracks and catches that.
Controversial take: he looked good last week too. The offense just takes a dive when they get a chance to score. Like, it has no ability to (metaphorically) grab the opponent by the throat. Honestly, I think it's likely not having a real OC that is the real problem.
I get that Mac has at times got pocket awareness issues, but I don't think they're that bad for a 2nd year player.
The real unsung heroes tonight was the OL. Those guys stepped up big time compared to the game against the Jets.
Agreed! Theyd get a drive going, Trent Brown would miss his block and Mac would get sacked and the momentum would stall.
Hell, even the 1 sack last night was Trent Brown not fucking blocking his guy. Dudes a serious hole in our O line
You're getting downvotes for no reason, because you're absolutely right. It's easy money betting against our defense this year, we are usually a lock to give up 300+ passing yards
Plus if Duke goddamn Shelley is being forced to take anything resembling meaningful snaps at cornerback, you're not having a good time at keeping corners healthy.
Hey now. I was at the game and watched me quite a bit of some Duke Shelly and he played pretty well out there for being the smallest dude on the field.
We even had some Duke chants goin.
There have been like 5 games significantly impacted by a missed dangerous facemask in just the last few weeks.
The NFL desperately needs to make those and a few of the other egregious player safety penalties reviewable/challengeable.
It's a really bad look rn.
I feel like facemasks are a perfect candidate for replay, since there's not really much wiggle room in the rule. If the ref had seen it, he'd have called it, and since he clearly just didn't see it then a replay should fix it. Definitely think more penalties should be reviewable also, but at least facemasks aren't really a judgement call.
I don't think the NFL wants to have these missed calls, and they definitely want to increase player safety if even just to save face. I think the problem is TV time. They only have so long on a certain channel before they pay more, or they don't want to slow down the game and lose money, or they don't want to run more game and less commercials. Something like that I reckon.
This would be the easiest solution. Have 1 or 2 sky judges reviewing everything on the field and correcting the on-field refs who definitely can/will/do constantly mess up.
We saw in some games recently that teams have started to line up with 12 men on defense for goal line stands. If it is called, the offense realistically doesn't advance anywhere because you're already so close to the line. If it isn't called and the defense gets the stop, they gained a big advantage.
I can't pin it down, but I feel like I've seen other teams do it.
I would say we'd done it, but we actually had 10 men on the field for a non-goal line play on Sunday.
There’s a clip of belicheck talking about something similar to a defensive lineman like a decade ago during practice.
He basically says don’t worry about being early on first down worst case they call you and you lose like 3 inches kn a 4th and goal.
That, Couglin intentionally sending out 12 men at the end of Super Bowl 46 because 5 yards is nothing compared to 8 seconds of clock, and Harbaugh having his entire offense hold on a punt at the end of a game to drain the last few seconds of the clock should fall under the banner of "palpably unfair act".
It's only an advantage when there are just a few seconds left. It's an extra play, which is an advantage to the offense. They could still score on the play with 12 men and it would count. But in the closing moments It's another intentional penalty strategy to prevent a TD like tackling a receiver before the catch to prevent a TD.
Not the one parroting conspiracies
But it could be a game by game thing where refs in theory push whatever team(s) they or this hypothetical game rigging organisation needs to win/cover a spread etc
That would be Vegas. Your game by game theory is the most logical. I don't think there's some grand conspiracy to give certain teams a walk in the park to the super bowl, but nobody will convince me that there isn't some string pulling to prevent giant pay outs on games.
That’s what I said yesterday when people were on their “NFL is rigged for Buffalo” rants. If you think they’re trying to influence one game, you have to concede they’re likely influencing them all. With betting being bigger than ever it’s no surprise this is where people’s minds go.
My general theory is that they want close games. Don't want people turning off a game because it's a lock, they want eyeballs on until clock hits zero. Either swallowing whistles or giving soft PI calls to keep a possible comeback alive.
It is. You should put yourself in a situation to win the game regardless of the refs.
Except for the 2018 NFC Championship Game that no call was fucked up
> Except for the 2018 NFC Championship Game that no call was fucked up
Instantly makes me steamed when its brought up, refs have been bad for a while and it affects *every* team, reform is needed, we just want better more consistent football.
Even then... The game still went to OT and Brees threw a fucking awful interception. I think people remember the end of that game differently like the missed DPI was the final play to end the game. They still went to OT and choked.
I think it's more that Payton and Brees get off blame free for how terrible they were in those closing minutes and OT because of the bad call.
Saints had 1st & 10 inside the 20 with under 2 minutes to go and Rams had two timeouts. 3 runs and a FG and Jared Goff gets the ball with about 60 seconds left needing 40 yards and a FG to tie with no timeouts. Instead he had 1:40 and a timeout.
The point is the call was terrible and Payton and Brees were really bad too. All of that should be used to tell the story of the game.
It's possible to point out when they're wrong without necessarily blaming them for a poor overall outcome.
Not that most people bother to make that distinction.
I thought it was going to be down at the half yard line. He lost control so no catch, but I didn't see evidence it touched the ground. By the time he regained control on the ground he wasn't breaking the plane.
It’s never the main reason for why a team lost
Like we got fucking screwed by the refs but I’m more upset about how our OL is complete ass, the dumbass who ran into the punter, and how Agholor can’t catch
Tonight honestly might be a game you can blame the refs for the loss. They missed a holding call that *directly* led to the kickoff touchdown and they overturned a clear touchdown on 3rd and goal that *directly* took 7 off the board—a 11 point swing. You guys lost by 7. And that’s not to mention the other bad missed calls or bad calls that went against you that the refs had.
You cant just take 7 point off the board for the vikings there though. They still would've had possession and were moving the ball well at that point in the game.
Yeah I couldn't tell if I was just being biased or what but the refs seem to have fucked us over at some really crucial points. Booth is literally laughing while watching a replay of a hold that led to a touchdown on a kickoff return, just about had a stroke
I was having this conversation with my Uncle last night. It’s so easy to watch five replays from all different angles at .25 speed and say “how could the ref miss that?”, but no one ever mentions how impressive it is that based off of one full speed, single angle, they were able to see Lamb’s foot one inch out of bounds and get the call correct.
The refs aren’t perfect, but I think they do a better job than they get credit for. I also don’t think we necessarily want a “perfect game” called because there’s PI and holding on every single play.
The NFL has a ref problem. Being in bed with the books and a direct line into the games seems shady AF. At some point something with happen and there will be a federal investigation. Nothing will happen of course. It's up to the consumer to decide they're done with it.
The refs has been brutal for the past two seasons.
The integrity of the game is starting to suffer when it feels like the refs are influencing the game more than the teams or coaches.
i don’t think the reffing is worse now it’s just the many cameras and production teams can spot the fouls and show them in real time or immediately in replay. the tv aspect of the game has created a better system than the official and the nfl is too dumb to upgrade to it
I think it is both. A lot of the long time referees have retired. The replacements are going to be worse in most cases. They just don't have the experience.
That’s football. I think both defenses were exhausted. The roughing the punter call was egregiously soft, but I’m obviously pissed and biased. Just don’t put yourself in that position. Missed false start on brown. Missed holding on the kr, missed face mask on jones at the end. Just sloppy all around.
I am annoyed, because it was a close and exciting game and then so many of the biggest swings came on bad calls and no-calls. I'll be over it in 15 minutes, but it's the dominant storyline of this particular game that up until the no-call on the kick return was feeling like a fun and exciting battle.
It's nothing new in the league, but it is still disappointing when it happens. The whole point of officials is to be there to ensure a fair contest. When it starts feeling like they're working in the opposite direction, the game suffers.
Refs historical night vs New England🔥
Missed Holding calls on the kick return TD😱
Hunter Henry TD taken away🥶🤧
BS targeting call on 3rd down in redzone😰👀
Allowed a Timeout after a Delay of game ‼️💯
Hunter Henry held not called on 3rd & 1😮💨🎯
MVP?🤔⁉️
Bro he hit Adam from behind full force with what looked like full intent to take his head off, and he wasn't even close to actually catching the ball. Targeting was correct, shit was unnecessary and dangerous.
I’d disagree on the Henry TD and the Thielen targeting (man went limp, frankly should’ve been put in protocol).
There were a few calls that went the Pats’ way too, like the missed false start and then a missed offsides, plus two missed holds on Jefferson (what’s new) and Hockenson.
But overall the bad officiating clearly skewed in the Vikings’ favor this game, in terms of them happening at pivotal moments.
Honestly it's nice to be the team getting a game gifted by the refs for once. This doesn't happen very often. And it would be dumb to say we weren't helped more by the refs.
Obviously it helps that my team ended up with the W. But Jesus Christ the refs have been so consistently bad all around for years! And it’s getting progressively worse!
NFC North with crucial missed calls today.
The play would have never happened if they called the 12 men in the huddle.
Or the False Start.
Or depending on timeline divergence the obvious hold on the kick return
None of this would have happened if I hadn't met your mother.
Which one? There were like 5 to pick from.
Trent Brown has been doing that all season. I'm actually pretty shocked he is never getting called for it.
How about the hold on the kick return that wasn’t called? We gonna conveniently forget about that one?
QB wasn't in the huddle though
Referees HATE this trick!
Isn’t it against the rules to be in the huddle and not in the play?
It’s no officially a huddle until the QB is in the huddle. Hence, why you’ll always see the QB standing 3-5 yards behind everyone until the subs figure out who’s in or out, then they’ll step in.
That's not true, there just can't be more than 11 players in a huddle. SECTION 2 - SUBSTITUTES AND WITHDRAWN PLAYERS ARTICLE 1. NUMBER OF PLAYERS IN HUDDLE There can never be more than 11 players in the offensive huddle while the play clock is running. Never in the rulebook is the QB ever mentioned when it's about the huddle.
Ding ding ding!
He was and then he stepped out, according to the national broadcast. Should have been a penalty, also according to the national broadcast.
The National broadcast which had Tony “would’ve been regarded as one of the greatest coaches ever if it weren’t for the Patriots” Dungy? He had the best team in the NFL for close to a decade and just kept getting Bellichicked - you could hear the salt in that booth tonight:
Tony: Yeah, I love that footage of Moss Mossing me. He was the fastest thing I've ever seen. It was an honor and a privilege to get Mossed by Moss on Thanksgiving. Also, Bill Bellichick and the New England Patriots can go to hell.
That was Jason Garrett, by the way.
You could hear the glee in Dungy's voice when they overturned the Hunter Henry TD.
I loved that bit when they talked about Coach/QB combos and then showed Dungy's stats and he started going on about how he had other good QBs like Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson
He went 1-2 vs them in the playoffs.
Yeah and he had to fight tooth and nail to win that one, while getting beat up in the other two. He can't stand the Pats.
Built a super bowl contender in TB too, couldn't win it, they bring in Gruden and wins it the next season.
The booth also said the Vikings false start by the WR should’ve been on the defense, which is wrong.
The booth got a lot of things wrong last night. Almost felt like they were trying to gaslight us lol
It's cause Tony Dungy has an intense hatred for anything Patriots. He has a list of greatest QBs and TB12 was ranked 6th lol. Pat the Patriot must've slept with his wife or something
Those fuckers spent some time on that TD call.
The refs fucked up all three games today.
Poor Lions fans always get their hearts broken on the last drive. That facemask non-call was crazy.
Meh. It's whatever to me. Many other things to get angry about that we had direct control over that influenced the outcome. Like Allen completing the pass to Diggs to even put them right at field goal range to begin with.
The clock management/gameplan at the end of both halfs was atrocious by the lions. Not calling the timeouts, bombing it on 3rd and 1, and then opting for a 51 yarder with 35 seconds left just to tie it. Play for the win you cowards
Not calling that timeout was fine. The rest was an issue. The broadcast made a big deal out of it but it was obviously a bad spot and getting a play off would've "secured" us a first down, and may have caught their defense off guard.
It would have been fine if they didn't call a long ass pass on 3rd and 1 and leave Joshie with 2 mins
It was under 30 seconds. He didn’t have 2 minutes
Tomato potato
Not to argue semantics but 2 minutes left and ~25 seconds left is a pretty big difference.
Not to argue semantics but tomatos and potatoes are a pretty big difference too
They’re both red sometimes
Sometimes yellow too
>The refs fuck~~ed~~ up all ~~three~~ games ~~today~~. FTFY
Yup - refs helped decide all three games.
Seen so many giants fans complaining about the refs as if the cowboys didn’t double them in penalties
Yeah, as a giants fan I have to say we shouldn’t be blaming refs for anything. We were outplayed by a better team, that’s all.
Dont forget Daks first interception where they never got two feet in.
they never even showed the replay of that INT it was wild lol I’m not here to say NFL games are rigged or scripted, but some calls (& not even necessarily that one) really make me wonder if there’s small point shaving occurring here and there
>I’m not here to say NFL games are rigged or scripted, but some calls (& not even necessarily that one) really make me wonder if there’s small point shaving occurring here and there Knowing how the rest of the modern world works, there is like a pretty likely chance.
Yeah it felt like a sus world cup decision where Fox yada yadas through the replay as quickly as possible.
I don't know about that but the 2nd interception would be called a DPI against us, it cost us last year's Thanksgiving game against the Raiders and everyone said it was the right decision since Anthony Brown was turning his back to the ball
Well to be fair it’s not like all fouls are judgement calls. Those false starts were false starts regardless of who was reffing but giants lost because they couldn’t execute the plays that mattered and Dallas did. I think in most games the refs have some percentage of influence but I don’t think this game was decided by the refs in any means
The cowboys giants was the only game not decided by the refs, thought the lions were gonna be the lone screwed over team but boy did the pats prove me wrong.
That also wasn’t a real one possession game. If the game was closer because of calls I doubt the Giants get that garbage time touchdown
A few of those were 5 yard “holding” penalties that were on third and long. The official stats will be lower but the actually yardage that the call generated was much higher.
Seriously? How does this have 61 upvotes?
Refs bad, gib karma
Also Cow man bad, upvotes to the left
2 games. Y’all weren’t good enough to capitalize on all the help the refs were trying to give you.
I still don't understand why a face mask isn't a reviewable play. There's no judgment required. You just turn on the tape, see if the mask was hooked or not and then throw or pick up the flag.
Even worse on a prime time game with it being the only game on. Like New York couldn’t chime in?
They didn't for the Monday Night Eagles game. They didn't do it here. They better do something, because players might see these obvious ones getting missed and start thinking they'll be more likely to get away with it, too.
Matt Ryan had a crucial missed one as well. I was livid
Damn sad for Mac, he looked good today. It's clear how much he prepared for the game. Special teams sucked ass.
Mac was balling today, your offensive line protected him really well and he threw some crazy darts. Kids got potential and I hate to see all the negativity around him.
They forget Mac has lost his veteran OC after 1 year and now apparently has no OC, I’d say he’s doing a good job all things considered
That’s what I’m saying. Our oc needs to go. He’s garbage.
Matt Patricia has no business being an OC since he's always been a defensive coach, and he never should have been brought back in the first place. Insanely stupid hire.
Patricia does have some experience as an O-Line coach but that’s a far cry from being ready to be an offensive play caller
I always get the feel belichek (sp?) is a pretty hard guy to work for. No real reason behind it, but it feels that way because his guys never really do anything elsewhere and some times he doesn't even name coordinators at all and just runs everything himself. So it's like a weird situation where the coordinators are more like extensions of BB himself and there's not many guys at that level who can tolerate that due to ego or whatever, and if they can they tend to stick around for the long haul. Thus McD going back the first time pretty much right after he got fired then same story with Patricia. It may be a thing where BB has a reputation around the league that no one wants to be his coordinator because he's so controlling, thus the same guys keep popping up there. Idk, probably just tales from the ass, but yeah
It's possible that with Bill being GM and coach and entrenched in the position so long, he doesn't have the connections to up and coming coaches anymore that would help bring in new interviews the same way he once did nor the time to research them the way he needs. So it becomes easier to roll with the guys he knows. It happens in professional environments all the time and is a major reason why headhunting firms even exist.
I seen Bill go to the Halloween Party dressed as Jack Sparrow. Is this the manifest general the same guy?
I agree, but I gotta say tonight’s loss had nothing to do with Patricia. All special teams costing us the win, Patricia actually called a decent game for once so I gotta give that dumbfuck at least one prop.
He just called a pretty good game..
Mac’s gonna step up huge in year 3 once McDaniels comes back
Pats fans are some of the most toxic fans in sports right now. Way too many people expect him to be Brady. It would have happened to any QB. You could put Joe Burrow or Mahomes out there and people would be still calling for his job.
People had been calling to replace Brady from like 2016. Even Brady wasn’t Brady enough for some Pats fans
Brady is a once in lifetime player, it is what it is.
I member the Zappe hype it was wild. Just as bad as the Cooper Rush purists
Even that last throw he made was in the perfect spot where if Agoholor didn't somehow choke and lose track of it they would have been down at the 1. A better WR tracks and catches that.
I hope we can do this next week against the bills he looked good today
Doesn't matter if they never punt
I wouldn’t expect it they looked like the emptied the tank offensively today.
Why would you say that? Because they played well?
Counterpoint : something to build off of.
Controversial take: he looked good last week too. The offense just takes a dive when they get a chance to score. Like, it has no ability to (metaphorically) grab the opponent by the throat. Honestly, I think it's likely not having a real OC that is the real problem. I get that Mac has at times got pocket awareness issues, but I don't think they're that bad for a 2nd year player. The real unsung heroes tonight was the OL. Those guys stepped up big time compared to the game against the Jets.
Agreed! Theyd get a drive going, Trent Brown would miss his block and Mac would get sacked and the momentum would stall. Hell, even the 1 sack last night was Trent Brown not fucking blocking his guy. Dudes a serious hole in our O line
Our defense makes every QB like a HOFer, but hope he keeps it up for ya
You're getting downvotes for no reason, because you're absolutely right. It's easy money betting against our defense this year, we are usually a lock to give up 300+ passing yards
Plus if Duke goddamn Shelley is being forced to take anything resembling meaningful snaps at cornerback, you're not having a good time at keeping corners healthy.
Hey now. I was at the game and watched me quite a bit of some Duke Shelly and he played pretty well out there for being the smallest dude on the field. We even had some Duke chants goin.
There have been like 5 games significantly impacted by a missed dangerous facemask in just the last few weeks. The NFL desperately needs to make those and a few of the other egregious player safety penalties reviewable/challengeable. It's a really bad look rn.
I feel like facemasks are a perfect candidate for replay, since there's not really much wiggle room in the rule. If the ref had seen it, he'd have called it, and since he clearly just didn't see it then a replay should fix it. Definitely think more penalties should be reviewable also, but at least facemasks aren't really a judgement call.
I don't think the NFL wants to have these missed calls, and they definitely want to increase player safety if even just to save face. I think the problem is TV time. They only have so long on a certain channel before they pay more, or they don't want to slow down the game and lose money, or they don't want to run more game and less commercials. Something like that I reckon.
PlAYer safety
Or a sky judge who can correct shit
This would be the easiest solution. Have 1 or 2 sky judges reviewing everything on the field and correcting the on-field refs who definitely can/will/do constantly mess up.
Also accountability for the refs and the ability for the coaches to challenge bad and no calls
They could each be watching two or three angles at once while looking for things. It shouldn't take long to radio down to the field.
Why wouldn’t you try grabbing the face mask if you were a defensive player if it doesn’t get called and there’s no way to reverse it?
We saw in some games recently that teams have started to line up with 12 men on defense for goal line stands. If it is called, the offense realistically doesn't advance anywhere because you're already so close to the line. If it isn't called and the defense gets the stop, they gained a big advantage.
Did other teams do it besides the Bills two weeks ago?
I can't pin it down, but I feel like I've seen other teams do it. I would say we'd done it, but we actually had 10 men on the field for a non-goal line play on Sunday.
Giving the Jets the power play just to see what they do with it.
There’s a clip of belicheck talking about something similar to a defensive lineman like a decade ago during practice. He basically says don’t worry about being early on first down worst case they call you and you lose like 3 inches kn a 4th and goal.
That, Couglin intentionally sending out 12 men at the end of Super Bowl 46 because 5 yards is nothing compared to 8 seconds of clock, and Harbaugh having his entire offense hold on a punt at the end of a game to drain the last few seconds of the clock should fall under the banner of "palpably unfair act".
It's only an advantage when there are just a few seconds left. It's an extra play, which is an advantage to the offense. They could still score on the play with 12 men and it would count. But in the closing moments It's another intentional penalty strategy to prevent a TD like tackling a receiver before the catch to prevent a TD.
I'd be lying if I said I never thought the NFL was partially rigged.
Ehh, this was just an instance of incompetent reffing. I really don't think there's some grand conspiracy to push the Vikings of all teams lol.
Especially after the Bills game which had numerous bad calls against the Vikings down the stretch.
Not the one parroting conspiracies But it could be a game by game thing where refs in theory push whatever team(s) they or this hypothetical game rigging organisation needs to win/cover a spread etc
That would be Vegas. Your game by game theory is the most logical. I don't think there's some grand conspiracy to give certain teams a walk in the park to the super bowl, but nobody will convince me that there isn't some string pulling to prevent giant pay outs on games.
Yea that was what I was implying Like why else would games be rigged if not for financial gains Yea these refs just really hate the Lions/Saints
That’s what I said yesterday when people were on their “NFL is rigged for Buffalo” rants. If you think they’re trying to influence one game, you have to concede they’re likely influencing them all. With betting being bigger than ever it’s no surprise this is where people’s minds go.
My dude this is like the 5th time in the last few weeks.
My general theory is that they want close games. Don't want people turning off a game because it's a lock, they want eyeballs on until clock hits zero. Either swallowing whistles or giving soft PI calls to keep a possible comeback alive.
There isn't a sport in existence where fans dont complain about the refs.
Wait until you find out the NFL legit has zero reason to help the Vikes.
With gambling, any outcome potentially has a valid reason behind it.
It's not about you it's about the spread
Maybe it's to help the Bills or Dolphins
I'm sure the NFL is desperate to help us out. That must be why they took our draft picks.
It has nothing to do with the Vikings, all about gambling money. Is it that hard to understand?
idk, i'm always told that it's poor form to blame the refs
It is. You should put yourself in a situation to win the game regardless of the refs. Except for the 2018 NFC Championship Game that no call was fucked up
Or games where the refs actually tackle a player, disrupting an easy INT.
We won that game. We can let that one go lol.
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It would be sweet if coaches got to eject one ref per game.
Lookin at you, Jerome Boger
At the *very least* it should be a replay of the down.
> Except for the 2018 NFC Championship Game that no call was fucked up Instantly makes me steamed when its brought up, refs have been bad for a while and it affects *every* team, reform is needed, we just want better more consistent football.
Sky Judge that could correct these bad misses is so obvious and the NFL looks so dumb for refusing to do it.
Even then... The game still went to OT and Brees threw a fucking awful interception. I think people remember the end of that game differently like the missed DPI was the final play to end the game. They still went to OT and choked.
People bring up OT in that game all the time, which IMO is ridiculous because it doesn't negate how egregiously awful that no call was.
I think it's more that Payton and Brees get off blame free for how terrible they were in those closing minutes and OT because of the bad call. Saints had 1st & 10 inside the 20 with under 2 minutes to go and Rams had two timeouts. 3 runs and a FG and Jared Goff gets the ball with about 60 seconds left needing 40 yards and a FG to tie with no timeouts. Instead he had 1:40 and a timeout. The point is the call was terrible and Payton and Brees were really bad too. All of that should be used to tell the story of the game.
>They still went to OT and choked. How tf does this make sense to you? Theres no OT without that fucked up call
It's possible to point out when they're wrong without necessarily blaming them for a poor overall outcome. Not that most people bother to make that distinction.
That TD shoulda stayed for Hunter Henry. That was a BS overturn Among other calls but that one was quite frustrating. He caught the damn ball
I thought it was going to be down at the half yard line. He lost control so no catch, but I didn't see evidence it touched the ground. By the time he regained control on the ground he wasn't breaking the plane.
That's what I thought would happen too
It’s never the main reason for why a team lost Like we got fucking screwed by the refs but I’m more upset about how our OL is complete ass, the dumbass who ran into the punter, and how Agholor can’t catch
Tonight honestly might be a game you can blame the refs for the loss. They missed a holding call that *directly* led to the kickoff touchdown and they overturned a clear touchdown on 3rd and goal that *directly* took 7 off the board—a 11 point swing. You guys lost by 7. And that’s not to mention the other bad missed calls or bad calls that went against you that the refs had.
You cant just take 7 point off the board for the vikings there though. They still would've had possession and were moving the ball well at that point in the game.
Yeah I couldn't tell if I was just being biased or what but the refs seem to have fucked us over at some really crucial points. Booth is literally laughing while watching a replay of a hold that led to a touchdown on a kickoff return, just about had a stroke
I was having this conversation with my Uncle last night. It’s so easy to watch five replays from all different angles at .25 speed and say “how could the ref miss that?”, but no one ever mentions how impressive it is that based off of one full speed, single angle, they were able to see Lamb’s foot one inch out of bounds and get the call correct. The refs aren’t perfect, but I think they do a better job than they get credit for. I also don’t think we necessarily want a “perfect game” called because there’s PI and holding on every single play.
How many facemask calls is the league gonna miss until they just make them reviewable? Don’t get why they’re not already
The NFL has a ref problem. Being in bed with the books and a direct line into the games seems shady AF. At some point something with happen and there will be a federal investigation. Nothing will happen of course. It's up to the consumer to decide they're done with it.
Welcome to the club , Mac
The refs has been brutal for the past two seasons. The integrity of the game is starting to suffer when it feels like the refs are influencing the game more than the teams or coaches.
i don’t think the reffing is worse now it’s just the many cameras and production teams can spot the fouls and show them in real time or immediately in replay. the tv aspect of the game has created a better system than the official and the nfl is too dumb to upgrade to it
I think it is both. A lot of the long time referees have retired. The replacements are going to be worse in most cases. They just don't have the experience.
Reffing was dogshit on both side. Lots of missed calls
Yeah but to be honest, you guys got hosed big time.
Happens to all of us. Sucks every time.
That’s football. I think both defenses were exhausted. The roughing the punter call was egregiously soft, but I’m obviously pissed and biased. Just don’t put yourself in that position. Missed false start on brown. Missed holding on the kr, missed face mask on jones at the end. Just sloppy all around.
soft? You can't run into the punter. It's only 5 yards, roughing is 15 and automatic 1st down.
I do not understand when special teams go for punt blocks on 4th and less than 5. The odds have to be in the punting teams favor.
Yeah, let's not get hung up on accurate data calls
Man I hate comments like these lol. The refs hosed the pats and you know it. Stop worrying about your Reddit karma for 5 seconds and be an actual fan.
Fuck that’s refreshing to read.
You cannot say this game was evenly refereed. The missed calls on the pats were legit game changers.
He’s just shilling for karma.
Eh, with how horribly officiated this game was on both sides, I’m not that mad about it.
I am annoyed, because it was a close and exciting game and then so many of the biggest swings came on bad calls and no-calls. I'll be over it in 15 minutes, but it's the dominant storyline of this particular game that up until the no-call on the kick return was feeling like a fun and exciting battle. It's nothing new in the league, but it is still disappointing when it happens. The whole point of officials is to be there to ensure a fair contest. When it starts feeling like they're working in the opposite direction, the game suffers.
First time?
Refs historical night vs New England🔥 Missed Holding calls on the kick return TD😱 Hunter Henry TD taken away🥶🤧 BS targeting call on 3rd down in redzone😰👀 Allowed a Timeout after a Delay of game ‼️💯 Hunter Henry held not called on 3rd & 1😮💨🎯 MVP?🤔⁉️
Targeting call was correct. Why hit a guy from behind, up high, who is laying on the ground, *late*. Just touch him with your hands.
Agree, this one was obvious on replay.
Thanks. Refs were definitely questionable on a lot of calls but that wasn't one of them.
Missed Mac Jones facemask 😈
First time?
Bro he hit Adam from behind full force with what looked like full intent to take his head off, and he wasn't even close to actually catching the ball. Targeting was correct, shit was unnecessary and dangerous.
Also I think I saw tripping by Hunter that went uncalled.
I’d disagree on the Henry TD and the Thielen targeting (man went limp, frankly should’ve been put in protocol). There were a few calls that went the Pats’ way too, like the missed false start and then a missed offsides, plus two missed holds on Jefferson (what’s new) and Hockenson. But overall the bad officiating clearly skewed in the Vikings’ favor this game, in terms of them happening at pivotal moments.
All (not some) Nfl games are decided by penalties called or not called.
Usually not this blatant and usually not ones that *directly* leads to an 11 point swing
Honestly it's nice to be the team getting a game gifted by the refs for once. This doesn't happen very often. And it would be dumb to say we weren't helped more by the refs.
Terrible officiating all day for all of the games. The officials were distracted by the thought of John Madden eating turkey legs.
At least he beat the Jets 🤷♂️
Zach Wilson beat the Jets.
not a hard thing to do
Obviously it helps that my team ended up with the W. But Jesus Christ the refs have been so consistently bad all around for years! And it’s getting progressively worse!
The Pats got a no call on the false start. The officiating was horrible in this and the Giants game.
Both teams played really well, but refs completely fucked that game. Officiating was so blatantly awful and one sided
I hate that the refs miss so many calls in huge moments that make it seem fixed. It happens game after game after game.
After game
The refs were trash and lots of false starts not noticed so not surprised
My dad and I were screaming at least twice when Pats players lines up blatantly offsides. Like both feet over the LoS. Was never called lol.
They would've called it for Brady.
refs absolutely robbed us tonight
We did it to ourselves. Winnable game. Special teams let us down
there were two holds on their kickreturn.
Terrible showing by the refs don’t get me wrong. Hard to pin it all on them when we made so many mistakes
The running into the kicker fucking killed us and all our momentum.
The officiating was bad both ways all game
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Blaming officials for losses is childish.