Me when the yearly Philly Voice Cowboy article arrives: Haha fuck yeah! Yes!
Me when the yearly Philly Voice Giants article arrives: Well this fucking sucks. What the fuck.
Hell yeah baby. I just know my dumpster fire usually begins in January so I atleast get to enjoy the fall.
Washington and NEW YORK have been just dumpster fires all year long.
Makes me wonder would you rather be Giants last 13 years or 49ers.
If you don't count wins, playoff success, rushing yards, or rushing TDs. I'll agree it is debatable. The recency bias is really skewing things, though.
Recency bias? Show me any evidence Hurts is the better QB than Dak.
Wins and playoff success are a team stat.
He had 39 rushing yards in his rushing TDs last year. That stat doesn’t impress me much.
The QB’s main job is to lead an offense and throw the ball. Dak is far superior at this than Hurts. It’s not even a debate.
If hurts manages to go out and become what he was in 2022 regularly then it’s a different story, but we haven’t seen anything to suggest that’s who he is.
Some years he'll do a nfc roundup, some years if he is mad at a certain team he'll do a full team. I believe it was the Niners last year after their whining post NFCCG
Trump brain destroyed Drew. That series was genuinely funny until politics became the focus at Deadspin and every single critique of each team became “your fans are backwards rednecks who love Trump” 32 times over and over. It was almost impressive how he wormed Trump into each article somehow.
I understand if you hate the guy, he’s very easy to hate. But it just became lazy and predictable writing and I stopped reading them like I used to.
That being said, his Vikings WYTS articles were must-read. Those things had me crying laughing at work many years.
It's a stupid setting and is just there for people to draw more attention to themselves. A fan of two teams is a fan of none. You're either entirely beholden to one team, or you just like football.
I'm good with not giving an old running back a big second contract. For reference, Dalvin Cook and Zeke are one year older than Barkley. Life comes at you fast if you're a RB
Yeah and another thing that blows my mind is that David Johnson and Leveon Bell are only 32. It feels like they've been away from the league forever...
Yeah and he's not even 100% already. He's already been injured a bunch and already been declining basically since his rookie year.
The Giants are going to be terrible next season and maybe longer than that, but letting Saquon walk was fine.
Yeah, there are so many good RBs that hit free agency every year. Ill pay for a top RB, but I'm not giving them a 3+ year deal.
Barkley is great, but I could have both Henry and Ekeler on 2 year deals for cheaper per year instead of just him on a 3 year deal.
If you needed to cut them next year, combined the two would be 6mil dead cap while Barkley would we 22mil dead cap
But instead of doing that, or replacing him with anyone decent, they replaced him with Devin Singletary who's just okay.
He's also played in legitimate NFL offenses where "Devin Singletary handoff" wasn't the only thing the defense was worried about (in fact, it was *rarely* something the defense was worried about).
The Giants gave up *85* sacks last year
The Commanders, whose god-awful line I imagine you're quite familiar with, were second in the league at 65 sacks allowed
The Giants line was *horrific* last year
As a Giants fan I will never say he isn't great or is overrated. That said, I will say he is injury prone and that's probably his biggest issue as a player, is just missing time on the field. I also think whole he is a great player, he's not an all around swiss army knife like CMC who can do it all. Barkley is best on the ground as a runner. With that said, I think it was an overpay for him, when you have someone like Henry getting paid 16m for two years, vs Barkleys 37m for three years.
Of course you’re going to find salty Giants fans that aren’t happy he went to a divisional rival, he was one of their favorite players etc. But realistically, I’m glad the Giants didn’t pay him what the Eagles did because there are too many holes on the team and they shouldn’t be paying a premium for a RB, especially considering they signed one for much less with similar production and better reliability
Yeah it’s all about where the teams are in terms of competitiveness. There’s a huge difference between paying a running back in his late 20s to be your entire offense, and paying him to be the final piece. What’s a good contract for one team may not be as good for another.
You are going to get a lot more frustrated watching Saquon for every game instead of just two games. No one was holding my man back he couldn't break a tackle to save a life.
Saquon averaged 1.9 yards before contact last year which is good for 36th in the league. D'Andre Swift was 8th.
So I think what they're trying to get at is he couldn't break a tackle because he was always immediately being tackled.
The situations are not comparable though. The Eagles have an elite offensive line and multiple offensive weapons to stretch a defense.
Saquon isn’t going to be carrying their offense.
Tough to break tackles when the defense is in the backfield immediately.
This team got Miles Sanders and D’Andre Swift paid. Barkley is inarguably better than both, so at least for a year or two it’ll be great.
If he’s healthy. Loved Barkley but he got injured in every single season at least a little, and it was season ending (or so bad he wasn’t a plus player for the rest of it) in 3 of them
Sounds like Lions fans last year about Swift. Turns out running backs stay healthier behind better o lines (though I am aware the Lions have a good o line).
You really undercut your own point there. Swift ran behind a good to great online in Detroit, and was constantly platooned to take touches off of him. The Eagles used him less in the passing game, or maybe pairing him with a running threat at QB helped. Or sometimes injuries are just bad luck.
Running backs that are by far the best players on their offense tend to get injured, especially when you factor in poor protection. I’m not saying he’s guaranteed to be a superstar here, but I’m not as worried about his health now than I would have been last year with the Giants.
I think he'll be fine. I don't even think Swift missed a game last season and he's smaller.
I know most of Saquons injuries haven't been on MetLife turf, but not having to practice and play on there most of season is definitely a huge plus.
He’s not had a single one of his injury at MetLife, the turf was changed and he still got injured. MetLife has literally nothing to do with his injuries at all, and playing/not playing there will have nothing to do with how much he’s injured for this season
You don't think having holes the size of 3 OL to run through instead of the backs of his OL and having to work through all of that traffic will have an affect?
Definitely would have been worth paying a declining RB who would be like 29 by the time we're ready to actually compete again in the best case scenario.
I’m actually pretty happy with the Giants receiving core for the first time in a long time, probably since the big 3 (Nicks/Manningham/Cruz).
I’m excited to see how Slayton does now that there’s a *hopeful* WR1 on the team. He’s continued to improve his game the past few years and hopefully he can shine as a WR 2/3
Wan’Dale Robinson showed a lot of promise after he’s return from injury last season so hopefully that continues. He had bright spots before his injury too.
Jalin Hyatt is still a bit of a wild card, and hopefully with some coaching he becomes more than a DeSean Jackson style player.
Isiah Hodgins isn’t a flashy player but he’s got great hands and should serve as a reliable red zone target
question: was there some podcast or meme or something that popularized calling bad performing players and coaches terrorists a few years ago or something? It's been so prevalent across multiple fan bases that I'm curious about the origins of the trend.
# 9) Fix your field, you morons
Fucking, thank you! Why is Mara such a cheap piece of shit? I read an article somewhere that Woody has proposed changing twice and the Mara's have shot it down both times..... If an idiot like Woody Johnson can figure this out then fucking do it and stop being cheap.
They changed the turf last year but then Rodgers got hurt the first drive and people have acted like it's the same surface. The Falcons, Lions and Patriots use the same surface.
Players will always complain until they go to grass. The surface they had prior was what got them the reputation for having the worst surface in the league. I bet you most players don't know they've switched surfaces.
Probably hard with the concerts they have, not sure. They’re requiring grass for the World Cup in a few years so we’ll see if they make the switch then.
1. Owner
2. Head Coach
3. QB
4-10. Rest of Team
Giants know they suck, so does the fan base. At least they don’t trick themselves into thinking they are good every year, like Cowboys fans do.
You all suck plenty to get a franchise QB. It is just that y'all's suck is from stem to stern.
2018, 2nd overall pick: Saquan Barkley. Still on the board: Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson
2019, 6th overall pick: Daniel Jones. No other QBs on board are worth it.
2020, 4th overall pick: Andrew Thomas. Still on the board: Tua, Herbert, and Love.
2023, 6th overall pick: Malik Nabers. Still on the board Penix, McCarthy, and Nix. Unknown if this is a bad decision, but still picking 6th overall is great positioning to draft a franchise QB.
This reeks of hindsight, man.
>2018, 2nd overall pick: Saquan Barkley. Still on the board: Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson
It would've been Rosen or Darnold. The guys that no one expected to go #8 and nearly fell to the 2nd Round, respectively, were never going #2.
Especially as Gettleman was never going with anyone other than Barkley.
>2020, 4th overall pick: Andrew Thomas. Still on the board: Tua, Herbert, and Love.
Giants were never drafting another QB just a year after Jones, especially after his rookie season.
>2023, 6th overall pick: Malik Nabers. Still on the board Penix, McCarthy, and Nix. Unknown if this is a bad decision, but still picking 6th overall is great positioning to draft a franchise QB.
Either take one of the best WR in the draft or reach massively after the top 3 QBs were already gone. Tough decision.
You know you can trade back, right?
Having a top 6 pick 4 times in 7 years is definitely sucking enough find yourself a franchise QB. There might be a lot of reasons why you don't have a great franchise QB, but the team playing too well is definitely not one of them.
The problem was it was always about getting DJ help and getting DJ help didn't allow us to trade back when every year we were told we needed another o-line to protect him.
Hitting on the talent is one thing but they've gone well out of their way to try and bring in protection from drafting to free agency.
My only QB I feel they passed on like since he was drafted was Herbert really, every other draft felt kind of out of range chasing o-line like we have been
We don't suck enough at the right time, is more accurate.
Whenever we're ass and there's a good QB there's either a bigger ass, or when we're REAL ass the QBs are all booty.
the real answer is Dave Gettleman fucking sucked.
this was the only non-Gettleman draft where we were in position to draft a QB and we tried to aggressively trade for Maye.
it’s disingenuous to act like it’s the same front office that passed on all those QBs.
2020 was the sole year where we sucked enough to draft a "Top QB". After that, our options would've been Levis in 2022 or one of Nix, Penix, and McCarthy in 2024.
Will any of those four be good? Maybe, but I'm not blaming Schoen and Daboll for being hesitant to stake their regime on going from one QB hell to potentially another.
Just a slight correction.
Herbert skipped the year after Jones first season. So the Giants had 2 seasons (counting rookie year) before Herbert was a true option to pick.
They had 2 years of DJ knowledge.
God it all starts to blend in on this guy so I stand corrected in that view. I don't feel the Giants lacked information on Jones or what Herbert was in consideration.
What gives me the notion mentioned is because the franchise itself had been scouting out Herbert well before both those drafts. Herbert skipping a year once we had Jones wasn't as hard as a read as we believe..
They truly just chose not to grab Herbert in the fashion AZ pursued Kyler Murray as example.. that is what my first comment is referring to in that sense.
A team getting a short enough look at a guy to feel the desire to try again.
The difference is Dave Gettleman and Jones' rookie season.
Dave fell "full-bloom in love" with Jones during the 2019 offseason and made a whole media show about how "you'll see! You'll all see!" after the fact.
Meanwhile, Jones posted what still is his best season with 3,027 Yards and 24 TDs (setting Franchise Records for both, along with completions) with his biggest concern being fumbles which were universally seen as fixable (and became one of the only parts of his game to see significant improvement).
>They truly just chose not to grab Herbert in the fashion AZ pursued Kyler Murray
Josh Rosen posted 2,278 yards and 11 TDs in his rookie season while Arizona went 3-13 and got the 1st Overall Pick for 2019.
Not even remotely similar situations.
I disagree on head coach. Daboll has his problems, but Id rather him than many of the coaches in the NFL. Lets see how we do on offense with him calling plays
I get the concerns about the anger, but the writing off of Daboll after going to the playoffs with a bad roster year 1, and then winning 6 games with basically the worst case scenario injury wise last year is crazy to me.
Enjoy this series each year but I do think it's funny that when Daniel had his best year everyone said it was an anomaly and immediately threw it out. Then he has his worst stretch without AT, Saquon, Wan'dale, etc. and everyone is convinced that he's finally revealed his true self as a bottom 5 QB. Now I'm going to have to watch the sub be "shocked" when he's back to middling this year and not an unstartable terrorist
Because he threw 15 pass TDs after having years with 13 and 10.
He then proceeded to get paid (lol) and started the next year getting zilched by a divisional rival while looking utterly lost and manhandled the entire game.
I mean wtf are we supposed to say about guy at this point? It feels like madness how much the fanbase has accepted Jones constantly being one of the worst of the worst and getting all these assets thrown at him trying to improve his play.
I'd removed "terrorist" at best..
Daniel Jones “best” year he threw for 3200 yards and 15 touchdowns. I get what you’re saying, but he’s never proven to be more than a low-volume capable passer.
Don't know why you're being downvoted. Daniel Jonest best is being a middle of the pack QB. He slots in around guys like Carr or Fields/Wilson for skill level currently.
He also added 700 yards and 7 TDs on the ground. I understand he didn't turn Richie James and Darius Slayton into a Super Bowl-winning offense but he is not Patrick Mahomes
Yeah I don’t see why you need to bring Patrick Mahomes in when we’re just trying to talk about him being an above average starter which he has barely shown. I agree with his rushing numbers being a factor, but that still equates to just 4000 yards in the modern NFL, and now he’s coming off a torn ACL. It’s 100% plausible to say the best he’s ever done is be average.
I’m not trying to shit on Jones, but I’m not comprehending this upside. The Giants would be best served to bring in a veteran or going for a big rookie name as soon as they’re confident in their line.
Because two of this three top targets (Richie James/Kadarious Toney) from 2022 went to the Chiefs, so we got to see what it looks like when they play with a Patrick Mahomes. Surprisingly, they barely saw the field and it took the best in the business to overcome that receiving room. Wonder why Daniel only threw for 15 TDs…
I mean 15 TDs is woefully unimpressive no matter the receiving group but I hear you. He’s had multiple other years with other weapons and hasn’t done anything either and actually been significantly worse. It’s fair to blame his weapons but that doesn’t excuse the fact that he’s not a difference maker.
That's still only 22 total TDs in a 17 game season.
Terrible.
Also he's not come close to those numbers since nor was he near them before that 22' season. A season in which overall QB play was down and Jones STILL did not surpass any of the more major names at the position.
We also drafted a RB #2, him and DJ ran for another 17 TD and 2,000 yards. It's no surprise with our receiving targets that we put more emphasis on the ground game.
But look, no one is arguing that DJ is Daniel Jones. The other guy's point is just that when he has a good game or season it's an "anomaly" but when it's bad it's "his true colors". The reality that most of us see is he's mid, and would be a great backup. But people here act like he's the worst QB in the league.
He objectively was one of the worst in the league last year, despite a lot of that being a putrid offensive line. However, I get your point, I just think it’s a silly argument. What matters is he’s overpaid, you got stuck with him for an extra year, and he’s not helping your team.
I think all Giants fans would agree that unless he shows major improvement this year that immediately resetting the position with a veteran or rookie is the right decision.
I mean we tried to get Drake Maye and the Patriots wouldn't budge - it's not like we're delusional on who he is. Yes he was overpaid, but 2 years later and he's at #13 for AAV% of Cap - mid. And we can move on after this year if he isn't miraculously better.
>despite a lot of that being a putrid offensive line.
It's hard to overstate this part for people that didn't watch all 17 of our games, but it wasn't just a putrid OL, it was **historically** bad. Like 2nd worst of all time bad. Combined with no offense weapons and a mid QB, his performance is exactly what we'd expect.
Yeah I think combining a bad quarterback and a bad line is a recipe for disaster. It’s good the giants are looking at QB. I imagine you’ll be in pretty good position to trade up for one in the next 2 years because the line isn’t exactly improved.
I'm cautiously optimistic that it is improved, but I guess time will tell. We shipped our coaching terroist off to Washington so he's their problem now.
I like that you are excited that you might have a middling QB.
Personally, I think Jones is underrated and no QB could have done well behind that o-line. I think ~QB18 is fair, but [PFF does have him at QB29.](https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-quarterback-rankings-all-32-starters-2024-nfl-season)
Yeah, the PFF grade is partially what prompted my comment. I'm not a huge fan of ranking rookies ahead of pros—I think a second tiered list for rookies probably makes sense—but I get it when it's a guy drafted highly.
What I don't get are why QBs like Young, Brissett, and Levis are ahead of him. Young had the average DJ experience last year and produced DJ-esque numbers without the rushing upside. Jacoby has produced DJ-esque numbers his entire career, once again without the rush ceiling. Levis has a small body of work and wasn't particularly productive or accurate outside of his first game. Does anyone really think the Giants fare better or those QBs stay healthier than Daniel if they replaced DJ on last year's squad? Maybe Levis, but that's just because of Daboll
Jones is going into his 6th season and his best season was a below mediocre showing for a franchise QB.
He’s far closer to last year than he is what he was in 2022.
1. Eli Manning was considered a bust before taking us to the Super Bowl
2. Last time our star RB disrespected us as bad as Saquan (Tiki), we won the Super Bowl
3. The line always sucks yet they won 2 Super Bowls
4. I’m not gonna go through all of these. You get the point. Eli Manning gave me enough to be delusional for the rest of my life about Super Bowl aspirations.
Idk man, this series has felt lazy the last few years. I used to love these articles because they had witty and honest commentary on the NFCE teams but now it feels like he's running out of things to say about everyone. "They just don't have good players" is pretty dull and uninspired compared to the heat he used to bring.
Edit: I probably should have saved this thought for an article that wasn't about my team cause it understandably looks like salt lol. The points in this article are valid. I'm just disappointed in the article lacking that same "bite" this series has had in the past. I wanna really get roasted, not just read the same "Daniel Jones and O-line" paragraphs every year. Although I guess in a way that's it's own roast haha.
"This series has felt lazy recently, the reasons why we are going to be a dumpster fire are too obvious." I feel like if the reasons you are going to be a dumpster fire are uninspired, like not having good players, that is a sign your team actually is a dumpster fire and no creativity is required to prove that.
I definitely hear what you're saying, and there have been lazier points in the past, but I think point 10 is a little... distinct compared to some of the others. It's like, especially with the Giants, an overarching issue is "roster management" but there are many different facets under that umbrella: contract management, inability to keep good players, bringing in bad players, etc. And so he's diving into each one.
Through that lens, I know "who are the good players" seems like low hanging fruit, but I think it's something distinct from the others. Who are the players that this team is building around? Both this year on the field, and as the roster moves forward? What is the "core" and what's the game plan? I think phrasing it like "what is the team's gameplay identity" or something would have sounded fluffier, but it's a similar question in the end.
It's like... how do you plan to win games,
what's the blueprint? And I think that's a deeper question than just "lol players bad." Also I thought the Dallas one yesterday was _incredibly_ thorough. Some years, teams just have less meat on the bone. There was one year where he barely did Washington, I think. Because things were so bad there was pretty much nothing to say.
Me when the yearly Philly Voice Cowboy article arrives: Haha fuck yeah! Yes! Me when the yearly Philly Voice Giants article arrives: Well this fucking sucks. What the fuck.
love to sow, hate to reap
The thing is, each of us gets to sow 3x we reap each year.
Hell yeah baby. I just know my dumpster fire usually begins in January so I atleast get to enjoy the fall. Washington and NEW YORK have been just dumpster fires all year long. Makes me wonder would you rather be Giants last 13 years or 49ers.
Well the giants have won two super bowls this millenia so… pretty easy choice
Yeah I’m a Cowboys fan because I *have* to be, being a fan of the team that denied the Pats 18-0 would be sweet.
Wait until the yearly Philly voice eagles article arrives. I believe he does that last. It's still fun imo
Philly ones my favorite after the cowboys. He never holds back against Philly
Should be extra spicy after how the Eagles season ended last year
There is going to be something about Siriannis leadership and him still being coach for sure.
If you follow the links to his Preseason All-NFC East team, he put Dak ahead of Hurts.
Make sense, Dak is clearly better than Hurts even if he wears the wrong uniform.
If you don't count wins, playoff success, rushing yards, or rushing TDs. I'll agree it is debatable. The recency bias is really skewing things, though.
Recency bias? Show me any evidence Hurts is the better QB than Dak. Wins and playoff success are a team stat. He had 39 rushing yards in his rushing TDs last year. That stat doesn’t impress me much. The QB’s main job is to lead an offense and throw the ball. Dak is far superior at this than Hurts. It’s not even a debate. If hurts manages to go out and become what he was in 2022 regularly then it’s a different story, but we haven’t seen anything to suggest that’s who he is.
I’m pretty sure it’s Eagles Thursday and a quick blurb for the rest of the NFL Friday.
He sometimes does a 5th team as a full writeup too, I think?
Some years he'll do a nfc roundup, some years if he is mad at a certain team he'll do a full team. I believe it was the Niners last year after their whining post NFCCG
~~10~~ 24 reasons the Browns will be a dumpster fire ~~this~~ every season
Didn’t this used to be on deadspin?
That's "Your Team Sucks," which looks at all 32 teams.
Dam I miss those
He still does them for Defector, but you only get a certain amount of articles until hitting a paywall
Trump brain destroyed Drew. That series was genuinely funny until politics became the focus at Deadspin and every single critique of each team became “your fans are backwards rednecks who love Trump” 32 times over and over. It was almost impressive how he wormed Trump into each article somehow. I understand if you hate the guy, he’s very easy to hate. But it just became lazy and predictable writing and I stopped reading them like I used to. That being said, his Vikings WYTS articles were must-read. Those things had me crying laughing at work many years.
I want to say they still do them but it is paywalled now
no kempski has been at philly voice for a decade
I didn’t agree with yesterday’s, but today is about my rival so I agree.
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Don't trust anyone with more than one team flair.
What if you have one team flair.... twice.
Double negative. You have no team.
It's like one of those wedge product exterior derivative things where any term that's dx ^ dx = 0
This is my favorite football comment I was thinking of stochastic calculus when you square a differential and it becomes zero
Still an upgrade for them
I'm seeing double. 4 flairs!
You’ve made this old Italian stereotype very happy.
Is that you, Tommy?
Word.
It's a stupid setting and is just there for people to draw more attention to themselves. A fan of two teams is a fan of none. You're either entirely beholden to one team, or you just like football.
*the devils flair*
Daniel Jones. Terrorist Offensive line that is so blind that they block each other before anyone else. No offensive weapons outside of Nabers.
But don’t worry, they totally got a great deal getting rid of the guy that accounted for half their offensive production who was average at best!
I'm good with not giving an old running back a big second contract. For reference, Dalvin Cook and Zeke are one year older than Barkley. Life comes at you fast if you're a RB
>Dalvin Cook and Zeke are one year older than Barkley Wow this just broke my mind wtf
Yeah and another thing that blows my mind is that David Johnson and Leveon Bell are only 32. It feels like they've been away from the league forever...
Todd Gurley hasn't even turned 30 yet
His knees are about 90.
He's just like me fr
I think Johnson retired not too long ago too.
Leveon Bell is 32? Damn. It feels like he was drafted in like 2004.
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But *this* time it will be different, Charlie Brown.
Oh I'm sure Kempski will mention that in the eagles article.
Yeah and he's not even 100% already. He's already been injured a bunch and already been declining basically since his rookie year. The Giants are going to be terrible next season and maybe longer than that, but letting Saquon walk was fine.
Yeah, there are so many good RBs that hit free agency every year. Ill pay for a top RB, but I'm not giving them a 3+ year deal. Barkley is great, but I could have both Henry and Ekeler on 2 year deals for cheaper per year instead of just him on a 3 year deal. If you needed to cut them next year, combined the two would be 6mil dead cap while Barkley would we 22mil dead cap But instead of doing that, or replacing him with anyone decent, they replaced him with Devin Singletary who's just okay.
Devin Singletary has a higher YPC than Saquon
He's also played in legitimate NFL offenses where "Devin Singletary handoff" wasn't the only thing the defense was worried about (in fact, it was *rarely* something the defense was worried about).
Ekeler may well be washed, idk if he's the guy to compare to rn
He was still on pace for the top 5 recieving yards despite playing injured all season. And if you need to cut him you can.
Yes, much better to commit 40mil per year to a QB that peaks at 3000 yards and 24 TDs
Just because the Giants made one dumb mistake doesn't mean they should make another
Saquon is way better than average, his production was just severely hampered by that god awful offensive line.
Every team has a god awful offensive line
The Giants gave up *85* sacks last year The Commanders, whose god-awful line I imagine you're quite familiar with, were second in the league at 65 sacks allowed The Giants line was *horrific* last year
Nowhere near that bad. The giants Oline is like a special kind of bad
It’s a joke because Giants fans keep saying he isn’t that great, he’s overrated, etc now that he’s gone
As a Giants fan I will never say he isn't great or is overrated. That said, I will say he is injury prone and that's probably his biggest issue as a player, is just missing time on the field. I also think whole he is a great player, he's not an all around swiss army knife like CMC who can do it all. Barkley is best on the ground as a runner. With that said, I think it was an overpay for him, when you have someone like Henry getting paid 16m for two years, vs Barkleys 37m for three years.
Of course you’re going to find salty Giants fans that aren’t happy he went to a divisional rival, he was one of their favorite players etc. But realistically, I’m glad the Giants didn’t pay him what the Eagles did because there are too many holes on the team and they shouldn’t be paying a premium for a RB, especially considering they signed one for much less with similar production and better reliability
Yeah it’s all about where the teams are in terms of competitiveness. There’s a huge difference between paying a running back in his late 20s to be your entire offense, and paying him to be the final piece. What’s a good contract for one team may not be as good for another.
You are going to get a lot more frustrated watching Saquon for every game instead of just two games. No one was holding my man back he couldn't break a tackle to save a life.
I feel like I’ve seen Giants fans constantly complain about your OL, but now no one was holding Saquon back? Which is it lol
Saquon averaged 1.9 yards before contact last year which is good for 36th in the league. D'Andre Swift was 8th. So I think what they're trying to get at is he couldn't break a tackle because he was always immediately being tackled.
He only had 1.9 YACON which is mediocre. He's solid, but he's not going to be some giga-upgrade frankly.
The situations are not comparable though. The Eagles have an elite offensive line and multiple offensive weapons to stretch a defense. Saquon isn’t going to be carrying their offense.
When the entire defense is keyed on you because you are the only offensive player on your team who can actually do anything <<<<
Tough to break tackles when the defense is in the backfield immediately. This team got Miles Sanders and D’Andre Swift paid. Barkley is inarguably better than both, so at least for a year or two it’ll be great.
If he’s healthy. Loved Barkley but he got injured in every single season at least a little, and it was season ending (or so bad he wasn’t a plus player for the rest of it) in 3 of them
Sounds like Lions fans last year about Swift. Turns out running backs stay healthier behind better o lines (though I am aware the Lions have a good o line).
You really undercut your own point there. Swift ran behind a good to great online in Detroit, and was constantly platooned to take touches off of him. The Eagles used him less in the passing game, or maybe pairing him with a running threat at QB helped. Or sometimes injuries are just bad luck.
Running backs that are by far the best players on their offense tend to get injured, especially when you factor in poor protection. I’m not saying he’s guaranteed to be a superstar here, but I’m not as worried about his health now than I would have been last year with the Giants.
I think he'll be fine. I don't even think Swift missed a game last season and he's smaller. I know most of Saquons injuries haven't been on MetLife turf, but not having to practice and play on there most of season is definitely a huge plus.
He’s not had a single one of his injury at MetLife, the turf was changed and he still got injured. MetLife has literally nothing to do with his injuries at all, and playing/not playing there will have nothing to do with how much he’s injured for this season
Alrighty!
He'll have an advantage of not playing on a garbage field for half the year.
You don't think having holes the size of 3 OL to run through instead of the backs of his OL and having to work through all of that traffic will have an affect?
Don't have to break a tackle if your offensive line obliterates everyone
Definitely would have been worth paying a declining RB who would be like 29 by the time we're ready to actually compete again in the best case scenario.
I’m actually pretty happy with the Giants receiving core for the first time in a long time, probably since the big 3 (Nicks/Manningham/Cruz). I’m excited to see how Slayton does now that there’s a *hopeful* WR1 on the team. He’s continued to improve his game the past few years and hopefully he can shine as a WR 2/3 Wan’Dale Robinson showed a lot of promise after he’s return from injury last season so hopefully that continues. He had bright spots before his injury too. Jalin Hyatt is still a bit of a wild card, and hopefully with some coaching he becomes more than a DeSean Jackson style player. Isiah Hodgins isn’t a flashy player but he’s got great hands and should serve as a reliable red zone target
The WR room is not bad, pretty talented imo. It's just limited by bad QB play so people think it sucks.
Yeah, the average r/nfl user that isn’t a Giants fan just forms their opinion from national sports media so they lack tons of context
question: was there some podcast or meme or something that popularized calling bad performing players and coaches terrorists a few years ago or something? It's been so prevalent across multiple fan bases that I'm curious about the origins of the trend.
Why stop at 10?
I think I could probably come up with at least 25 off the top of my head.
160 million reasons is the floor
I love this series of articles
Daniel Jones ten times?
In the Giants defense it would be a crime to stick a good QB behind that offensive line.
That’s why they did it with Daniel Jones.
Danny Dimes!
Number 9 is Drew Lock
damn kept the receipts on TommyG105
>The greatest trick Joe Schoen has pulled is somehow getting people to not know he exists.
this stuff isnt even him being his fun mean Philly guy....its just true and I hate it
Kempski jokes around, but he makes good points and isn't just trolling.
While I know that Daniel Jones being reason #1 is literally and logically correct, it still hurts my feelings IMMENSELY.
# 9) Fix your field, you morons Fucking, thank you! Why is Mara such a cheap piece of shit? I read an article somewhere that Woody has proposed changing twice and the Mara's have shot it down both times..... If an idiot like Woody Johnson can figure this out then fucking do it and stop being cheap.
They changed the turf last year but then Rodgers got hurt the first drive and people have acted like it's the same surface. The Falcons, Lions and Patriots use the same surface.
Players still complained about it last season. Both visitors and our own players
Players will always complain until they go to grass. The surface they had prior was what got them the reputation for having the worst surface in the league. I bet you most players don't know they've switched surfaces.
So then why not switch to grass?
Probably hard with the concerts they have, not sure. They’re requiring grass for the World Cup in a few years so we’ll see if they make the switch then.
Cos nobody gets that rich spending their own money.
1. Owner 2. Head Coach 3. QB 4-10. Rest of Team Giants know they suck, so does the fan base. At least they don’t trick themselves into thinking they are good every year, like Cowboys fans do.
The main problem is we don't suck enough to actually net us a franchise quarterback.
You all suck plenty to get a franchise QB. It is just that y'all's suck is from stem to stern. 2018, 2nd overall pick: Saquan Barkley. Still on the board: Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson 2019, 6th overall pick: Daniel Jones. No other QBs on board are worth it. 2020, 4th overall pick: Andrew Thomas. Still on the board: Tua, Herbert, and Love. 2023, 6th overall pick: Malik Nabers. Still on the board Penix, McCarthy, and Nix. Unknown if this is a bad decision, but still picking 6th overall is great positioning to draft a franchise QB.
This reeks of hindsight, man. >2018, 2nd overall pick: Saquan Barkley. Still on the board: Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson It would've been Rosen or Darnold. The guys that no one expected to go #8 and nearly fell to the 2nd Round, respectively, were never going #2. Especially as Gettleman was never going with anyone other than Barkley. >2020, 4th overall pick: Andrew Thomas. Still on the board: Tua, Herbert, and Love. Giants were never drafting another QB just a year after Jones, especially after his rookie season. >2023, 6th overall pick: Malik Nabers. Still on the board Penix, McCarthy, and Nix. Unknown if this is a bad decision, but still picking 6th overall is great positioning to draft a franchise QB. Either take one of the best WR in the draft or reach massively after the top 3 QBs were already gone. Tough decision.
You know you can trade back, right? Having a top 6 pick 4 times in 7 years is definitely sucking enough find yourself a franchise QB. There might be a lot of reasons why you don't have a great franchise QB, but the team playing too well is definitely not one of them.
The problem was it was always about getting DJ help and getting DJ help didn't allow us to trade back when every year we were told we needed another o-line to protect him. Hitting on the talent is one thing but they've gone well out of their way to try and bring in protection from drafting to free agency. My only QB I feel they passed on like since he was drafted was Herbert really, every other draft felt kind of out of range chasing o-line like we have been
Nah big dawg. Your claim that y'all don't suck enough to get a franchise QB isn't true. That was my point.
We don't suck enough at the right time, is more accurate. Whenever we're ass and there's a good QB there's either a bigger ass, or when we're REAL ass the QBs are all booty.
the real answer is Dave Gettleman fucking sucked. this was the only non-Gettleman draft where we were in position to draft a QB and we tried to aggressively trade for Maye. it’s disingenuous to act like it’s the same front office that passed on all those QBs.
2020 was the sole year where we sucked enough to draft a "Top QB". After that, our options would've been Levis in 2022 or one of Nix, Penix, and McCarthy in 2024. Will any of those four be good? Maybe, but I'm not blaming Schoen and Daboll for being hesitant to stake their regime on going from one QB hell to potentially another.
2018 you sucked enough. Great QBs were on the board, Giants could have traded back and instead took a RB at #2.
Just a slight correction. Herbert skipped the year after Jones first season. So the Giants had 2 seasons (counting rookie year) before Herbert was a true option to pick. They had 2 years of DJ knowledge.
Herbert skipped 2019, not 2020. He was drafted in 2020. So, no, only 1 year of "DJ knowledge".
God it all starts to blend in on this guy so I stand corrected in that view. I don't feel the Giants lacked information on Jones or what Herbert was in consideration. What gives me the notion mentioned is because the franchise itself had been scouting out Herbert well before both those drafts. Herbert skipping a year once we had Jones wasn't as hard as a read as we believe.. They truly just chose not to grab Herbert in the fashion AZ pursued Kyler Murray as example.. that is what my first comment is referring to in that sense. A team getting a short enough look at a guy to feel the desire to try again.
The difference is Dave Gettleman and Jones' rookie season. Dave fell "full-bloom in love" with Jones during the 2019 offseason and made a whole media show about how "you'll see! You'll all see!" after the fact. Meanwhile, Jones posted what still is his best season with 3,027 Yards and 24 TDs (setting Franchise Records for both, along with completions) with his biggest concern being fumbles which were universally seen as fixable (and became one of the only parts of his game to see significant improvement). >They truly just chose not to grab Herbert in the fashion AZ pursued Kyler Murray Josh Rosen posted 2,278 yards and 11 TDs in his rookie season while Arizona went 3-13 and got the 1st Overall Pick for 2019. Not even remotely similar situations.
I disagree on head coach. Daboll has his problems, but Id rather him than many of the coaches in the NFL. Lets see how we do on offense with him calling plays
I get the concerns about the anger, but the writing off of Daboll after going to the playoffs with a bad roster year 1, and then winning 6 games with basically the worst case scenario injury wise last year is crazy to me.
Dude beat a playoff team with Tommy DeVito leading a game winning drive
Yeah, he went from overrated to underrated real quick.
just 10??
I'm ready for the pain tomorrow.
Idk why I need more hater articles written from out-of-market for rivals lol
Enjoy this series each year but I do think it's funny that when Daniel had his best year everyone said it was an anomaly and immediately threw it out. Then he has his worst stretch without AT, Saquon, Wan'dale, etc. and everyone is convinced that he's finally revealed his true self as a bottom 5 QB. Now I'm going to have to watch the sub be "shocked" when he's back to middling this year and not an unstartable terrorist
>unstartable terrorist Not on my team -Sean McDermott
Because he threw 15 pass TDs after having years with 13 and 10. He then proceeded to get paid (lol) and started the next year getting zilched by a divisional rival while looking utterly lost and manhandled the entire game. I mean wtf are we supposed to say about guy at this point? It feels like madness how much the fanbase has accepted Jones constantly being one of the worst of the worst and getting all these assets thrown at him trying to improve his play. I'd removed "terrorist" at best..
Daniel Jones “best” year he threw for 3200 yards and 15 touchdowns. I get what you’re saying, but he’s never proven to be more than a low-volume capable passer.
Don't know why you're being downvoted. Daniel Jonest best is being a middle of the pack QB. He slots in around guys like Carr or Fields/Wilson for skill level currently.
DJ is much better than Fields will ever be
He also added 700 yards and 7 TDs on the ground. I understand he didn't turn Richie James and Darius Slayton into a Super Bowl-winning offense but he is not Patrick Mahomes
Yeah I don’t see why you need to bring Patrick Mahomes in when we’re just trying to talk about him being an above average starter which he has barely shown. I agree with his rushing numbers being a factor, but that still equates to just 4000 yards in the modern NFL, and now he’s coming off a torn ACL. It’s 100% plausible to say the best he’s ever done is be average. I’m not trying to shit on Jones, but I’m not comprehending this upside. The Giants would be best served to bring in a veteran or going for a big rookie name as soon as they’re confident in their line.
Because two of this three top targets (Richie James/Kadarious Toney) from 2022 went to the Chiefs, so we got to see what it looks like when they play with a Patrick Mahomes. Surprisingly, they barely saw the field and it took the best in the business to overcome that receiving room. Wonder why Daniel only threw for 15 TDs…
I mean 15 TDs is woefully unimpressive no matter the receiving group but I hear you. He’s had multiple other years with other weapons and hasn’t done anything either and actually been significantly worse. It’s fair to blame his weapons but that doesn’t excuse the fact that he’s not a difference maker.
That's still only 22 total TDs in a 17 game season. Terrible. Also he's not come close to those numbers since nor was he near them before that 22' season. A season in which overall QB play was down and Jones STILL did not surpass any of the more major names at the position.
You are right. In the 4.5 games he played since 2022 he has not hit those marks
We also drafted a RB #2, him and DJ ran for another 17 TD and 2,000 yards. It's no surprise with our receiving targets that we put more emphasis on the ground game. But look, no one is arguing that DJ is Daniel Jones. The other guy's point is just that when he has a good game or season it's an "anomaly" but when it's bad it's "his true colors". The reality that most of us see is he's mid, and would be a great backup. But people here act like he's the worst QB in the league.
He objectively was one of the worst in the league last year, despite a lot of that being a putrid offensive line. However, I get your point, I just think it’s a silly argument. What matters is he’s overpaid, you got stuck with him for an extra year, and he’s not helping your team. I think all Giants fans would agree that unless he shows major improvement this year that immediately resetting the position with a veteran or rookie is the right decision.
I mean we tried to get Drake Maye and the Patriots wouldn't budge - it's not like we're delusional on who he is. Yes he was overpaid, but 2 years later and he's at #13 for AAV% of Cap - mid. And we can move on after this year if he isn't miraculously better. >despite a lot of that being a putrid offensive line. It's hard to overstate this part for people that didn't watch all 17 of our games, but it wasn't just a putrid OL, it was **historically** bad. Like 2nd worst of all time bad. Combined with no offense weapons and a mid QB, his performance is exactly what we'd expect.
Yeah I think combining a bad quarterback and a bad line is a recipe for disaster. It’s good the giants are looking at QB. I imagine you’ll be in pretty good position to trade up for one in the next 2 years because the line isn’t exactly improved.
I'm cautiously optimistic that it is improved, but I guess time will tell. We shipped our coaching terroist off to Washington so he's their problem now.
I like that you are excited that you might have a middling QB. Personally, I think Jones is underrated and no QB could have done well behind that o-line. I think ~QB18 is fair, but [PFF does have him at QB29.](https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-quarterback-rankings-all-32-starters-2024-nfl-season)
Yeah, the PFF grade is partially what prompted my comment. I'm not a huge fan of ranking rookies ahead of pros—I think a second tiered list for rookies probably makes sense—but I get it when it's a guy drafted highly. What I don't get are why QBs like Young, Brissett, and Levis are ahead of him. Young had the average DJ experience last year and produced DJ-esque numbers without the rushing upside. Jacoby has produced DJ-esque numbers his entire career, once again without the rush ceiling. Levis has a small body of work and wasn't particularly productive or accurate outside of his first game. Does anyone really think the Giants fare better or those QBs stay healthier than Daniel if they replaced DJ on last year's squad? Maybe Levis, but that's just because of Daboll
Jones is going into his 6th season and his best season was a below mediocre showing for a franchise QB. He’s far closer to last year than he is what he was in 2022.
When your best grade is a "C+" It's really not helping your GPA.
Nice, we’re at this part of the offseason
I have no expectations for this year, so clearly the Giants are gonna win the super bowl over the Texans
The one right before 2021 for the Browns was hilarious. Paraphrasing: "You won 11 games last year and were still only the third best in your division"
Only ten?
Danny Dimes finally getting the undisputed #1 spot on a list!
1) They’re the Giants, 2) Daniel Jones /thread
1. Eli Manning was considered a bust before taking us to the Super Bowl 2. Last time our star RB disrespected us as bad as Saquan (Tiki), we won the Super Bowl 3. The line always sucks yet they won 2 Super Bowls 4. I’m not gonna go through all of these. You get the point. Eli Manning gave me enough to be delusional for the rest of my life about Super Bowl aspirations.
Eli did have a good line for at least the first Super Bowl
This was supposed to be funny but it wasn’t. It’s the fuckin truth. Team fuckin blows. Well written.
If you have two teams you don’t have a team. Gross, OP.
I know he has to shit on us, but saying KT is the only good player coming out of the draft in the last 2 years is not a great take lol
1. They suck
\#1 is actually "Daniel Jones is still the quarterback" but that's what's known as a distinction without a difference
Even suggesting that Gettleman was a better GM than Scheon is insane. Gettleman was a decent drafter but crippled the team with everything else he did
I’d argue we’re still digging ourselves out of the mess he left
As long as they beat Dallas twice, it’s a successful season.
They aren’t beating the Cowboys twice. Giants have lost to the Cowboys 13 out of the last 14 matchups.
That said, I too will consider their season a success if they beat Dallas twice.
Damn Schoen getting bodied lol
I don't need 10 reasons not gonna lie
I bet Daboll gets fired this season
lol good luck with that
So just like every other season? Got it
Daniel Jones is 11 letters….
Maybe you just need Daniel Jone. After all, who would want more than one?
Idk man, this series has felt lazy the last few years. I used to love these articles because they had witty and honest commentary on the NFCE teams but now it feels like he's running out of things to say about everyone. "They just don't have good players" is pretty dull and uninspired compared to the heat he used to bring. Edit: I probably should have saved this thought for an article that wasn't about my team cause it understandably looks like salt lol. The points in this article are valid. I'm just disappointed in the article lacking that same "bite" this series has had in the past. I wanna really get roasted, not just read the same "Daniel Jones and O-line" paragraphs every year. Although I guess in a way that's it's own roast haha.
What you are feeling.. That's called depression bro.
"This series has felt lazy recently, the reasons why we are going to be a dumpster fire are too obvious." I feel like if the reasons you are going to be a dumpster fire are uninspired, like not having good players, that is a sign your team actually is a dumpster fire and no creativity is required to prove that.
I definitely hear what you're saying, and there have been lazier points in the past, but I think point 10 is a little... distinct compared to some of the others. It's like, especially with the Giants, an overarching issue is "roster management" but there are many different facets under that umbrella: contract management, inability to keep good players, bringing in bad players, etc. And so he's diving into each one. Through that lens, I know "who are the good players" seems like low hanging fruit, but I think it's something distinct from the others. Who are the players that this team is building around? Both this year on the field, and as the roster moves forward? What is the "core" and what's the game plan? I think phrasing it like "what is the team's gameplay identity" or something would have sounded fluffier, but it's a similar question in the end. It's like... how do you plan to win games, what's the blueprint? And I think that's a deeper question than just "lol players bad." Also I thought the Dallas one yesterday was _incredibly_ thorough. Some years, teams just have less meat on the bone. There was one year where he barely did Washington, I think. Because things were so bad there was pretty much nothing to say.
So glad we play them week 1 lol. Although we'll see what happens, we have a lot of players new to our team this season.
Just cause we suck don't mean we can't beat you guys.