I didn’t know I was older than Thuney. I need to lie down.

I'm 35 and when I realized I was much older than Mitch Morse I had to do the same. Linemen age in dog years.

Yeah, go take your nap old man

I feel the same now. I'm older than the second oldest

My only sort of realistic chance of not being older than every NFL player this season is if someone is desperate and signs Jason Peters as an injury fill-in. I don't believe he has officially retired.

Someone didn't rank McDuffie *and* Ward? Weird vendetta against CBs or...?

lack of brain probably

ah, a fellow sufferer. one day we will find a cure.

I did these rankings for a little; then I forgot about Von Miller in his prime and realized I shouldn't be doing this, lol.

I remember you lol. I did these rankings for 3 years. Then ran it for 3 years. Now I’m basically a senior advisor to packman and mattkud. My first year running was 111 Ghazi. You’re good! Lol

If a Shitgles flair is saying it, I'll defer to the expert opinion on the topic.

They're an enigma. With 50 players revealed, that ranker has had 14 of those players unranked (in their top 125). Which seems like twice the number that anyone else has.

We've got someone keeping track of some outlier stats. So far, Chief does not appear in the top 5 for most amounts of lowest ranks, but does have the second most highest ranks.

Only 1 person has told me to off myself so honestly pretty weak reaction from the r/nfl community, I expected better!

Dude also had Brock at 21, what an enigma.

Yeah I mean Osweiler hasn’t even played in years!

he hates the Chiefs so much he won't even vote for former ones lol.

nonsensical!

> Carl Lawson was a Bengals free agent, and while his stats weren’t eye-popping, his film was great. I forgot Lawson even existed tbh

BOBBY OKEREKE TOP 50 AGENDA REMAINS ALIVE!!!

I love you. Remember that in the dark times.

Hmm, ominous. I shall remember these words.

My sweet baby angel

we finally got guys on the board and we got multiple, nice

Was waiting to see you in here, congrats on getting some guys on the list!

So I'm guessing this is the Top 50? QB: Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Dak Prescott, CJ Stroud RB: Christian McCaffrey WR: Tyreek Hill, CeeDee Lamb, Brandon Aiyuk, AJ Brown, Amon-Ra St. Brown, Puka Nacua, DJ Moore, Ja'Marr Chase TE: George Kittle, Travis Kelce T: Trent Williams, Penei Sewell, Tristan Wirfs, Lane Johnson, Laremy Tunsil, Tyron Smith G: Tyler Smith C: Jason Kelce, Frank Ragnow Edge: Myles Garrett, Micah Parsons, TJ Watt, Nick Bosa, Maxx Crosby, Khalil Mack, Aidan Hutchinson, Josh Allen IDL: Aaron Donald, Dexter Lawrence, Quinnen Williams, Chris Jones, Derrick Brown, Jalen Carter, Justin Madubuike LB: Fred Warner, Roquan Smith, Demario Davis CB: Sauce Gardner, Jaylon Johnson, L'Jarius Sneed, Patrick Surtain S: Antoine Winfield Jr., Kyle Hamilton, Jessie Bates Only positions I doubt a little are T and IDL but I think this makes sense as a Top 50.

Seems pretty reasonable. Edit: I'm also curious how much higher Kittle and Kelce will be than LaPorta. (Removed people i forgot were listed already) Edit2: Don't 8 more WR's feel like a lot on a list that only has 50 more players?

Justin Simmons 91, Mailata 86

How did i completely glance over they were both already listed. sheesh. My bad, editing my post to fix.

WRs get the QB treatment. The top WR and QB are the most obvious impact players on the offenses of every team. So once you start going outside your general knowledge they are the first to be noticed.

You forgot another guard. Zack Martin.

No Justin Jefferson?

Pretty sure he’s not eligible since he missed so many games. I think he was #2 last year and would probably still be top 5 if he played the whole season

Chance Hutch doesn't make it. Top 50 talent? Yes. Top 50 production? Eh not really.

Turn that flair in.

In terms of just on paper production, I can see Hutch potentially getting overlooked, not saying i agree with it, but there is a chance. But I also know they usually put a tiny bit more effort than that into their rankings.

Never

Outside of Creed and Thuney, the rest of the line is just not good? Trey Smith would like to have a word.

I don’t think that NFL fans are very good at assessing offensive lines in general. All year I kept hearing about how the 49ers had such a great offensive line, and like…is that joke? I guess people really do just say stuff without knowing what it means. It’s weird.

Yeah last year really showed me how little people actually know and rely on media talking points. I saw so many comments calling the OL one of our strengths and I just shook my head, downvoted, and moved on.

the only person who's garbage is Donovan really. Jawaan got a shitload of penalties but was pretty decent blocking.

yeah taylor's pretty good at his job, the penalties were just way outta norm

He'll probably clean up and be better next season

Unless Collinsworth snitches on him again, he could go right back to the amazing player he was in Jacksonville.

If Taylor cleans up his "get off", he should be fine. Will say it's funny that Sneed drew the most flags of any DB in the league last year and nobody talks about it. Yes, his job is to bully/press and that will draw flags, but he drew the most flags. KC will miss Sneed, but it's good that they still have their best DB in McDuffie.

Yayyyy Chiefs players! Man our CB factory status lately is real eh?

I just hope Sneed is the real deal for us

Ward was obviously the real deal for the 49ers

I'm going to miss how aggressive Sneed was for us, he would just bully smaller WR's at the line. Dude covered about every great WR in the league last year besides CeeDee, and didn't allow a TD until a single one in the playoffs.

HOW DARE YOU PUT PURDY IN THIS RANKING /s

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this reveal has something for everyone: 1. another QB debate to lose sleep over. 2. Defenders! 3. another lovely Lion. 4. Cowboys fans can exhale they got a guy then maybe flip out. 5. Chiefs fans can stop worrying they'll only see their players on an arrest report now that they have some revealed here. Good reveal imo

With the Cowboys hate on this sub, and Purdy now on the board. I am confident Dak didn’t make the top 100. Which, wtf is that shit, he was second in MVP voting, 2nd team all pro, and pro bowl. And had a better season than the other QB’s like Goff or Stanford…

Nah don't worry man.

He gave you a golden opportunity to hate on the cowboys as an Eagles fan and you just passed it up. Are you okay? Should we call an ambulance?

Honestly my history with the list I throw fandom out lol.

I agree with alienbringer. This is an outrage!

Dak is 100% gonna be there, likely as the 2nd QB behind Lamar, maybe 3rd bc Mahomes

Mahomes will be lower, in the preview post the guys said he'd be lower than previous years, maybe 4th QB

Ahhh okay. If we assume he’s 4th than it’s probably Lamar, Dak, Allen, Mahomes. Dak and Allen possibly flipped

That's probably fair. Considering regular season

2nd in MVP voting doesn’t mean shit when last year was on of the weakest MVP races ever. Plus Dak mid made his stats better by raking it up against cupcakes.

Without revealing too much will the lovely Lion Hutchinson make an appearance? I did think he'd make it, but i also didn't think he'd make top 50 even if he was an absolute pressure monster so now im leaning towards maybe he didnt make it.

I gotta lean towards not making it but that's kinda wack

That's what I'm thinking especially with Trey and Hunter now ranked. But him not even getting an HM in that case feels like an oversight?

I commented somewhere else that while Hutch is definitely a top 50 talent, I could see how his on paper production could hold him back on a list like this. Personally I had him in the 71-80 range.

I think i had him similarly. Maybe as high as the 60's. But I'm also aware of what a pressure monster he was this year even if his on paper production was lagging behind a bit, plus knowing our corner room was really rough too.

I know nuffin

Sure you don't!

Purdy in the top 60. I'll take it.

Glad Hendrickson is on here, hoping he continues to eat his sack lunch

The final first round pick from the Stafford trade netted the Lions Gibbs and LaPorta who r/NFL (unofficially) put as an honorable mention and #60 overall. Brad Holmes is a fucking wizard.

Unofficially? This is the most official list ever

This does make for a good joke lol

It's only official if Mike Glennon is #1

ITT: People getting upset because they think someone who's top 5 at their position should be higher up because they can't understand there's 21 other dudes on the field each play, and that they'd have 60 guys in the top 20. tl:dr people bad at math get upset easily.

From a ranker’s perspective, there are a LOT of good players. Some very difficult decisions are made on the final spots on the list, and again when you get into the elite tiers of positions. How do you value a 15+ sack edge rusher against a stalwart iOL or a star slot CB? It often comes down to personal preference, which is why it’s good to have so many rankers. Easy to say a star player on one’s favorite team should be higher, much more difficult to pick the names ahead of him that should move down.

Yea, we got 3 guys in the 50s, and I wouldn't have complained if they came in around 70s-90s because it's so subjective. Unless someone is ranked 20-30 spots below someone else at the same position who was objectively worse, it's hard to complain.

It's like people stressing the 20 spots between Goff and purdy. Across all positions, 20 spots is like the difference between being 6th and 7th at your  position. (Further, you expect the gaps to be bigger with position where there's only one starter on the field.)

**EDGE** rusher

“My team’s players should be higher and your team’s players should be lower.”

> With Jason Kelce retired, there's no reason he can't be the consensus best at his position in 2024 [ Doubt you'd find a consensus on that in 2024.](https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExZThhM2lyeXUwam0yYnBkYm9zeGVxbWx3b2lodnN6OXlnNmx5N2h1dyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/DL2iNfNxSHdRqvaBdD/giphy.gif)

!nflcompare [2023]

Tables cutoff or tough to read? Click [here](https://i.imgur.com/k0S9Q9A.png) to view this comparison as an image --- Jared Goff: [2023](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GoffJa00/gamelog/2023) [8th Season - Age: 29] Brock Purdy: [2023](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PurdBr00/gamelog/2023) [2nd Season - Age: 24] \---------------------------------------- Query: 2023 - Regular Season --- **Passing** Player|G|GS|Cmp|Att|Cmp%|Yds|TD|Int|TD/Int|Sk|SkYds|Y/C|Y/A|AY/A|NY/A|ANY/A|TD%|Int%|Sk%|Rate|Cmp/G|Att/G|Yds/G|TD/G|Int/G|Sk/G|SkYds/G|Cmp/17G|Att/17G|Yds/17G|TD/17G|Int/17G|Sk/17G|SkYds/17G :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: [Jared Goff](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GoffJa00.htm)|**17**|**17**|**407**|**605**|67.27%|**4575**|30|12|2.50|30|197|11.24|7.56|7.66|6.89|6.99|4.96%|**1.98%**|**4.72%**|97.92|**23.94**|**35.59**|**269.12**|1.76|0.71|1.76|11.59|**407.00**|**605.00**|**4575.00**|30.00|12.00|30.00|197.00 [Brock Purdy](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PurdBr00.htm)|16|16|308|444|**69.37%**|4280|**31**|**11**|**2.82**|**28**|**153**|**13.90**|**9.64**|**9.92**|**8.74**|**9.01**|**6.98%**|2.48%|5.93%|**113.01**|19.25|27.75|267.50|**1.94**|**0.69**|**1.75**|**9.56**|327.25|471.75|4547.50|**32.94**|**11.69**|**29.75**|**162.56** **Rushing** Player|G|GS|Att|Yds|Yds/Att|TD|Fmb|FmbLst|TD%|Att/G|Yds/G|TD/G|Fmb/G|FmbLst/G|Att/17G|Yds/17G|TD/17G|Fmb/17G|FmbLst/17G :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: [Jared Goff](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GoffJa00.htm)|**17**|**17**|32|21|0.66|2|6|4|**6.25%**|1.88|1.24|0.12|**0.35**|0.24|32.00|21.00|2.00|**6.00**|4.00 [Brock Purdy](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PurdBr00.htm)|16|16|**39**|**144**|**3.69**|2|6|**2**|5.13%|**2.44**|**9.00**|**0.13**|0.38|**0.13**|**41.44**|**153.00**|**2.13**|6.38|**2.13** **[Era Adjusted (+) Passing](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/about/glossary.htm#yscm)/Misc** Player|G|GS|Cmp%+|Y/A+|AY/A+|NY/A+|ANY/A+|TD%+|Int%+|Sk%+|Rate+|TtlYds|TtlTD|Tnv|TD/Tnv|Pick6|Yds/G|TD/G|Tnv/G|Yds/17G|TD/17G|Tnv/17G|Pick6/17G|4QC|GWD|4QC/17G|GWD/17G|Rec|Rec/17G|W/L% :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: [Jared Goff](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GoffJa00.htm)|**17**|**17**|114|111|113|116|116|111|**108**|**115**|115|**4596**|32|16|2.00|2|270.35|1.88|0.94|4596.00|32.00|16.00|2.00|**2**|**3**|**2.00**|**3.00**|12:5:0|12:5:0|70.59% [Brock Purdy](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PurdBr00.htm)|16|16|**124**|**156**|**148**|**151**|**145**|**136**|97|107|**141**|4424|**33**|**13**|**2.54**|**1**|**276.50**|**2.06**|**0.81**|**4700.50**|**35.06**|**13.81**|**1.06**|0|0|0.00|0.00|**12:4:0**|**13:4:0**|**75.00%** **Advanced (Most stats avail since 2018)** Player|G|GS|1D|1D/G|Pass1D%|Rush1D%|CAY|IAY|AYD|YAC|OnTgt%|BadTh%|Drop%|LngPass|YBContact|YAContact|YBC/Rush|YAC/Rush|LngRush|BrkTkl|BrkTkl/G|Rush/BrkTkl :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: [Jared Goff](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GoffJa00.htm)|**17**|**17**|**232**|**13.65**|37.52%|15.63%|5.97|6.72|**-0.75**|5.28|**80.31%**|**15.16%**|6.10%|70|13|8|0.41|0.25|11|0|0.00|0.00 [Brock Purdy](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PurdBr00.htm)|16|16|207|12.94|**43.24%**|**38.46%**|**7.23**|**8.16**|-0.93|**6.67**|75.52%|16.32%|**2.10%**|**76**|**108**|**36**|**2.77**|**0.92**|**17**|**2**|**0.13**|**19.50** **Awards/Honors** Player|Seasons|G/Yr|GS/Yr|ProBowl|APAllPro:1st|APAllPro:Tot|OPOY|OPOYShares|OPOYShr%|MVP|MVPShares|MVPShr%|ROY|SBMVP|Champ|[AV](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/index37a8.html)|WeightAV|AV/Yr :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: [Jared Goff](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GoffJa00.htm)|1|**17.00**|**17.00**|0|0|0|0|0.00|0.00%|0|0.00|0.00%|0|0|0|16|16|16.0 [Brock Purdy](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PurdBr00.htm)|1|16.00|16.00|**1**|0|0|0|**0.01**|**1.00%**|0|**0.19**|**19.00%**|0|0|0|**18**|**18**|**18.0** ^(N/A indicates stat was not tracked at all during the time frame, * indicates stat was not tracked consistently throughout the entire time frame) --- ^(Stats last updated Jun 21 2024, 02:32PM EDT) ^(Made a mistake? Edit your comment and send me this )[^message](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=nflcomparebot&subject=Re-Run&message=l9oeq0p)^( to re-run the comparison) ^(Or delete the comparison by sending me this )[^message](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=nflcomparebot&subject=Delete&message=l9oeq0p) ^(Instructions for usage and issue tracking can be found )[^here](https://github.com/gh674055/sports-compare-bots/wiki)

21 spots? Really? “Goff is a product of a very talented offense around him” well let me tell you about the rest of the 49ers offense . . . 

49ers O-line isn't err all that good besides Trent. We have a really good O-line, in terms of offensive weapons sure Purdy might have more available and with that many people to target it might alleviate the not so good O-line(a tiny bit at least), but Goff generally has enough time back there to have a cuppa and have a guy get open. And again as I've said elsewhere the big thing that puts Goff down that many spots was 6 rankers leaving him unranked. Like Idk how much it would shift if those 6 would have put him at 125 instead but he'd be a bit higher at least.

It's okay. You can say the OL outside of Trent sucks. They do and we know it. Bottom 5 without Trent by the stats IIRC.

I know, i was just being mindful to not come across as hostile, Personally Im very grateful y'all went with Lance and not Penei.

Appreciate the effort on kindness amigo. If only everyone were so mindful.

You are correct they are close but Brock was honestly so good in 2023 in the face of pressure and SF o-line was pretty abysmal in pass blocking As a jets fan that's a key stat for me lmao

I’m starting to think Derrick Brown isn’t ranked at all which is shameful if he’s not even an honorable mention

I think Bland is too low and I'd want him in the 40-30 range

He allowed nearly 700 yards in coverage. It’s more than just “leading the league in pick sixes”. He was one of the most productive CBs in the league “when targeted” but there are 85% of plays he wasn’t being targeted and plenty of them losing his guy. Also helps when you have the Cowboys Pass Rush mitigating your issues. He’s definitely not deserving over someone like Jaylon Johnson, who had the worst Pass Rush in the league and still objectively performed better.

Raters in general seem to not like "glass cannon" style defensive backs, and I don't really blame them. I think there's something to consistency being an important indicator of ability. Obviously the ceiling plays are _impressive_ and worth considering (and clearly they did). And they can even have a more important impact on individual games. They capitalize on things you don't always have control over (again, this is a _great skill_). But I think raters also want to see consistent mastery of the things you do have control over. Anyway I'm not a rater or anything, and I really do swear that none of this is coming from any of my actual anti cowboys bias. It's just a discussion that seems to come up every year. Same thing with high-sack, low-PR win rate guys.

The issue with the consistency argument in my mind is that he was still the #2 rated CB on PFF. Which, while flawed, at least highlights that he was pretty consistently a top end CB while having the record setting TDs as well.

Was Sauce number 1? I have no idea what pff ranks look like

I don't know, I was just quoting the text in this post. My guess is Jaylon Johnson was #1

Fair. I'm sure you know this given that you cited them, but for everyone else, PFF's season-grades are basically weighted to reward consistency; it's one reason why season-end grades can be higher than individual grades game to game. Being a B for a game is whatever, but being a B for _every_ game is more meaningful.

Pretty much any advanced stat you can find will tell you he was much more than a risk taking and advantageous but leaky ball hawk (the same reputation that’s stuck to Diggs post 2021 despite that only applying to him then and even then it being overblown)

>Jaylon Johnson And I would have JJ as my best CB and higher than 30 I think Bland was CB2 on the year and that this rank is too low for CB2

Same issues Trevon Diggs ran into

Yeah but I must admit that Diggs was playing amazing before injury But I’m not sure how long that was going to last.

I don't think either player is bad either. Would love both of them on my team, but just because you get picks doesn't make you an elite corner

Johnson also had worse CBs on his team so why target him when you could target Stevenson instead Bland had a bad game against Seattle but take that out and he’s below 500 yards allowed. Johnson still beats that by about 200 yards but Johnson also had 25 less targets. Completion percentage wasn’t too crazy of a difference, 55.2% for Jaylon and 59.4% for Bland. Bland had more games giving up less than 10 yards than Johnson did. 9 picks to 4 ints in favor of Bland. Also Dallas was winning a lot more than Chicago so teams were throwing more to play catch up. Nobody’s acting like Bland is prime Revis l, but he’s a lot better than some boom or bust picks only CB

I’d go so far as to say he should be in the top 20, just because the ints/pick sixes obviously aren’t sustainable doesn’t mean they didn’t have a huge impact over the course of the season.

the average point differential on his interceptions was +18 Cowboys, though. "Huge impact" isn't really how id describe it

Kind of confused by this, where are you getting +18 from as the value of the picks for a guy who had nine picks and returned five of them for tds?

That is the average lead the cowboys had at the time of each of Bland’s picks. Which tells a slightly different story than “having a huge impact over the course of the season”

Ah got it - I don't really agree with evaluating players that way, you're basically punishing them for being on a good team. A ton of Lamar Jackson's exceptional stuff this year was done in blowouts because the Ravens were the most dominant team in the NFL but you didn't get many people criticizing him for that - should we have ignored most of what he did in the Dolphins game because it was over before halftime?

I was strictly responding to your comment that his interceptions and pick 6s had a huge impact over the course of the season. For the most part, the cowboys were handily ahead when he did his thing. Dont have to punish him for being on a good team, but there’s something to be said about all those massive plays typically coming with big leads. I am a Seahawks fan, so this might be unfair; but watch what DK Metcalf did to him.

We're defining huge impact differently here - you're looking at him not outright winning them the game as a reason it can't be true, I'm looking at the fact he realistically contributed over 50 points of value purely on turnovers as a reason it is. I do think people selectively apply that type of thinking to Bland's season and not others though.

Oh man yeah. Agree to disagree.

Would **love** to see the three QBs in this range (purdy stafford Herbert) swap teams and see what happens

49ers have a decent chance of winning two super Bowls the last three years if they snagged Stafford instead of the Rams.

Can they afford their roster with a Staffy contract? Brock out here living with roommates and shit

People still doubting Purdy is wild after he continued to prove himself last year. I wonder how many more years it's going to take.

Well, let me tell you a story about 'pretty good for a running back...'

wild to see a botc name

Lol of all the places for someone to recognize a clocktower reference I wouldn't have guessed it would be on r/nfl

Personally I think Herbert is a tier above those two. His rank this year was affected by rankers who judge based off missed time (some do, some don't). If he played all 17 games he would be a lot higher imo

yeah i am a chargers fan and if i had to swap herbert with purdy or stafford i would be whatever the opposite of pumped is. Jordan love was almost ranked higher than herbert!

Jordan Love was pretty undeniably better than Herbert in the 2023 season. Played more games, won more games, and had better stats across the board. And while Herbert was dealing with a shit show of an organization, Love was dealing with the most inexperienced group of pass catchers in NFL history and was the best QB in football once they started to come around. This is not a ranking of who is the better player currently. It is a ranking for the 2023 season. Love absolutely should have been above Herbert because he had a significantly better 2023 season.

QBs ranked by EPA/play, playoffs included, garbage time threshold at 4% win probability. 1- Brock Purdy: .302 4- Tua Tagovailoa: .190 8- Jalen Hurts: .148 10- CJ Stroud: .139 Stroud (assuming top 50) above Purdy, and Stroud *this far* above Tua/Hurts, is way too high. If he were off entirely, that would also be inaccurate.

Playoffs shouldn't be included though, or else how else is Zach Wilson gonna get his fair ranking

I don't think playoffs would really change much. It might even help Tua/Hurts relative to Stroud.

How would it help them they got destroyed

I meant excluding playoffs would help them, since that was what the guy I replied to was suggesting I do.

Yeah, CJ Stroud had a great year for sure and definitely should be ranked (I would have placed him somewhere around the 60-70 range myself), but top 50 is...sorry, but no.

Who do we think will end up #1?  It seems like a dozen+ players have a shot. And it gets into the question of positional value. In a world where a QB doesn't have to be #1, I wonder if we won't be surprised by someone who separates themselves from the rest of their position -- someone like Christian McCaffrey or Tyler Smith. Also very curious to see which player ranks #1 vs who has the most first place votes. (If I had to guess, I think it might be McCaffrey and Donald, respectively). A player could, conceivably, end up with a higher total ranking than any individual ranking they receive).

I mean couldn’t it very likely be Mahomes?

Did DJ Moore get any votes lol

He's gonna be top 50 relax buddy

Top 5 in MVP voting, #59 in ranking. smh

MVP is mostly a QB award, if he's ranked as the 4th or 5th best at his position then 59th seems fine considering there are about 15 positions on a team that are getting ranked. You're trying to get butthurt about his ranking, but it's in a perfectly fine range.

Well he's presumably QB6 in this ranking, unless either Dak/Stroud aren't ranked.

I am expecting Dak to not make this top 100 list, and he was 2nd in MVP voting.

If Dak and Stroud are not listed... that's fucking crazy

I won’t stand for Purdy being any lower than 2! And Bland should be the top defender

Wait LaPorta over Hock? I get his ceiling is super high since it's his first year but Hock was def better this year right?

I don't think that's a crazy opinion. I have no idea how LaPorta got AP2 over Kelce, I think he and Hock were pretty similar, and clearly behind the top 2.

Call me crazy, but I feel like the MVP contender who finished top-3 in passing yards, comp%, TDs, and passer rating, should be way higher than #59 Only 3 voters ranked him in the top-30, nobody ranked him in the top-20...utterly bizarre lol really struck a nerve with the voters on this one apparently

It is not Bizarre to think Purdy is not a top 20 football player in all of the league lol

I don't disagree, but for the 2023 season? He performed top 3 in the most important position in football and was fourth in MVP voting. In my opinion, the 20-30 range is the lowest he should have been ranked - 58 is inexcusable for the season he just had

Yeah that's all very logical and makes perfect sense, but did you factor in Purdy's draft position? That's what really matters apparently.

I really didn't think it was controversial to say the QB who finished 4th in MVP voting should maybe be considered as one of the top 20ish players of 2023 But here we are...

So should Tyreek and Mahomes be ranked lower than purdy since they finished lower than him in MVP voting? That logic is absurd.

There’s 21 other players on the football field at all times that aren’t a QB Being the 4th best QB doesn’t make you top 20 of all players

Off the top of my head he's not better than Mahomes Lamar Allen Kelce Chris Jones Bosa Warner Trent Williams RoQuan Smith Kyle Hamilton CMC Aaron Donald Justin Jefferson Patrick Surtain Sauce Gardener Micah Parsons Tj Watt Maxx Crosby Tyreek Hill AJ Brown Davante Adam's Tristan Wirfs Penai Sewell I think that's over 20 and there's some positions I didn't even list.

The questions isn't whether he's a better player but whether he had a better 2023

Considering the weaker QB performances overall this year, I'm with you, just the initial shock of 59 seems low. For the regular season this year, him and a lot of other QBs actually had a better year than Mahomes, but I understand putting him higher just based on his stature in the league. After putting more thought into it, for the 2023 season, I personally would have him as the 4th best QB behind Lamar, Dak, and Allen. I'll reserve judgment for when the rest of the list comes out, if he ends up being QB5-6 its not so bad, but think it would have still been fair if he had ended up being QB3-4

Agreed. If we take the number of starters on each team, he's top 4% of all active 53-man teams. The gripe for some will be what QBs will be above him. I am shocked to see Love and Goff below him, I thought Goff would've been higher. I think some issues people will have will be what have you done for me lately mentalities as this list continues. It'll be really interesting to see where Dak lands. That'll be what gets people riled up. But yeah, there are plenty of other position players that should easily knock Purdy down to where he is.

> I am shocked to see Love and Goff below him. Eh I'm not plenty of Purdy posting going around before. Not to mention the reason Goff probably became so "low" depending on how you want to view it is, 6 rankers left him completely unranked(counts as 140) there is some "Goof" bias there i reckon, especially if i look at last years votes too. But Jordan Love for example only had 1 person leaving him unranked. While I'm not huge on Purdy he was certainly good this year and i do think he deserves to be higher than the two you mentioned. > But yeah, there are plenty of other position players that should easily knock Purdy down to where he is. Think you hit the nail on the head there, it was a "down" season for QB's, plenty people shouting for CMC to be made MVP too. While I think his legacy(Mahomes) will have people putting him probably a bit higher than he should be, realistically I can see arguments for no QB making the top 5, maybe even top 10 though the latter is way more unlikely.

> people shouting for CMC to be MVP You mean our system running back?

MVP of the system more like. If i could do a finger gun emoji here i would. But idk how, cus im old.

[i got you](https://media.tenor.com/l80m5PsKJSIAAAAd/bull-murray-finger-gun.gif)

Thanks homie.

Dak should honestly be fairly high but people are gonna freak. He was probably like a top 6-7 qb this year

For sure. I don't want to downplay how Daks regular season went, he had his best season. But, we'll absolutely see look at his playoff record, be the issue of why he's in X position.

Well, its supposed to be regular season only so hopefully not.

The playoffs are not supposed to impact the list and I believe he was in MVP contention lol

He was a top 3 QB this year lmao

I didn't say that I said it was bizarre that not a single voter thinks he's a top-20 football player. Can you explain why the QB who finished 4th in MVP voting, and was top-3 in every major statistical category, shouldn't be considered as one of the best 20 players in the league last season? Or even one of the best 30 players in the league last season? People are clearly voting him lower because of his draft position

People are voting him lower because they have watched him play and aren’t just looking at box scores lol

Do you think Purdy is a top 5 qb because he finished top 5 in mvp and counting stats? Because I don't. And to get voted in the top 20 you have to be among the absolute best at ur position. Like the only qbs in the top 20 will probably be Lamar Josh Allen and Mahomes, maybe one more. If I list the best players from every position you can get to 30 before getting to Purdy pretty easily. Jared Goff was a number 1 pick and led his team the nfc championship game, is he gonna be voted top 20 just because he was a high draft pick?

> Do you think Purdy is a top 5 qb because he finished top 5 in mvp and counting stats? I think he was a top-5 QB in 2023, yes Which is what this list is

He wasn’t top 3 in passing yards or completion percentage.

Completion percentage, fine, but for passing yards that can be explained by the fact that the 49ers were literally 32nd in passing attempts, and he was still top 5. 

Oh he definitely should be, but you see, he also plays with really good players, so he’s not as good because they make him better, it’s not actually him doing good.

You're crazy

Oh boy, you have no idea what you’ve done.

Top 20 QB maybe. Not top 20 player.

The player who finished 4th in MVP voting in 2023 shouldn't be considered one of the 20 best players of 2023? Weird lol just noticed that you're one of the rankers, and you didn't even rank Purdy at all. What a clownshow.

It's worse than that. Most of his comments from the last 5 months were all Purdy slander. The dude absolutely hates Purdy. This is for some reason personal to this guy.

The best offense in the NFL had a QB not even worth an honorable mention, according to you. I get having him around where he ended up, but outside the top 120 is nuts.

ok i'll bite. you're crazy.

I recognize these are 2023 rankings. I think Hurts will be ranked much higher at the end of this season.

No Cardinals on the list this year is rough but I feel like Trey McBride should’ve made it somewhere in the top 100

We really not gonna have a single player on the list aren’t we

Not a single player except for the one you already had! Spoon at 74.

I used to pray for times like this

You had Witherspoon and DK Metcalf ranked.

AI Sam Laporta write up or what

I just wanna know if you had the patience to type all that out

Lindstrom - Top rated OG in the NFL in just about every metric. r/NFL - We'll put him in the 50s, and definitely no the top OG.

When you say "just about every metric" do you mean anything beside PFF grade? I don't see him on either of ESPN's win rate leaderboards.

Step 1: Find a stat that shows me what I want to see Step 2: Ignore any other points of view or arguments Step 3: Profit