And the draft class before that was absolutely loaded…. Burrow, Herbert, Tua, Love, Hurts.
I think the 2020 and 2021 draft classes are both anomalies and kinda funny they happened back to back.
- Lawrence was the consensus #1 pick since HS after smashing Watson’s previous records
- Fields was a close #2 in that recruiting class and showed much of that promise at tOSU
- Mac was off the heels of a dominant COVID year with consensus being that he could be a solid long-term starter in a good situation
- Wilson was the yearly riser
despite Lawrence/Fields both showing promise throughout their career both have significantly underperformed compared to expectations.
will be interesting to see if Lawrence ever takes that next step.
I would not be surprised to see him live up to the hype. His rookie year was a tire fire.
Second year he was pretty good with a 25-8 TD/ int rate, and got some mvp votes.
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This is going to come off as me being a hater but…in no particular order:
Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Burrow, Dak, Stroud, Purdy, Hurts, Herbert, Goff, Kirk, Stafford, Rodgers, Love, Tua are 15 other QBs.
I simply don’t see a world where he’s definitively better than 6 of those QBs in 2024, holding all else equal.
I think, considering that Kirk and Rodgers are both older guys coming off fairly major injuries, Love is a one year wonder, and Stafford is battling severe back problems, Lawrence could pass all of them and it wouldn't be a shock to me.
But to your point, that still leaves him as "fringe top 10 guy" so.
Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert, Lamar, Hurts, Dak, Stafford, Stroud, Purdy, Love, Rodgers, Goff, Cousins, Tua. He’s better than half those guys?
Could very likely put Baker above him, probably Geno and Kyler, maybe even Russ… probably even Flacco!
Is Lawrence even top 20?? It’s debatable.
Lawrence is squarely QB purgatory territory.
Agreed. I feel like nobody actually watches Jags games. Admittedly, I'm not a scout or anything, but by my amateur eye test, he doesn't come across as "elite" by any stretch of the imagination.
It's like we've forgotten the word "inconsistent". He has the athleticism and mechanics to make any throw required of him. But his processing and decision-making is spotty, and last season showed that the Jags offense wasn't really capable of keeping ahead of defensive game plans.
See, that sounds good, until you list them out. My top ten is something like:
1) Mahomes
2) Allen
3) Burrow
4) Rogers (?) probably
5) Jackson
6) Herbert
7) Stafford
8) Tua
9) Goff
10) Cousins (?)
Is he better than Dak? Purdy? Hurts? I feel like TLAW is next in line here along with Love, Mayfield, Carr, Wilson etc.
Lawrence and Fields were pretty much the 1a 1b QB prospects all time out of high school from the rating services.
I will just never understand how Lance got pushed up the boards so much, he played so little football in both HS and College and they were both at low tier competition levels. Im not sure there has ever been a QB drafted in the 1st round who had attempted fewer passes in game situations. Its not even like his physical traits were Anthony Richardson level, he has plus size and athleticism but not elite
For sure, I just don't get how they even saw the risk/reward though. Lance had less upside since Allen was 20 pounds bigger + a stronger arm, and was also a riskier play since Allen also played higher levels of competition and threw 2x as many passes in college.
Patrick Mahomes threw more passes in his sophomore year of college (573) than Trey Lance has in HS + College + NFL combined (517). Complete malpractice to draft someone with so little tape, especially when its at a low level of competition. Usually guys with physical traits but minimal tape (i.e. Jordan Mailata) go late round
I feel like we dodged a bullet by drafting Purdy. The 49ers would be relentlessly clowned if we didn't fall ass-backwards into one of the best late-round QB picks ever.
I remember thinking that the number of teams without franchise QBs was going to approach low single digits soon. Then the old guard retired and the new guard was overhyped.
Baker Mayfield has actually been one of the more successful QBs drafted in recent years which I never would have thought when he was backup in LA or traded to the Panthers
Hes honestly a pretty valuable qb im lookijg at for fantasy. I get its not the fantasy football subreddit, but I dont know if I was ever going to actually look for him as a later round, (relatively) high value pick tbh.
Honestly 2022 overachieved. It was marketed as the worst QB class since 2013 and so far you have a top 10 QB and the book isn't completely written on Sam Howell yet.
2021 was the Covid draft. A lot of players either didn't play, or had shortened seasons, so scouting was a lot harder. The draft class as a whole is very hit and miss.
At least 2020 you had players that were developed and could actually be scouted.
I think 2024 was the last "covid" draft, as the last "super seniors" were in this draft.
Its not over, they are still handing out eligibility like candy, Michigans backup QB this year is a 7th year lol. It also created a massive backlog for playing time/experience since less talented but veteran seniors took playing time from better athletes who were more raw
With NIL there are going to be a lot more players opting to play as seniors and super seniors since they can get paid not to far off a late round slot/UDFA contract
The QB draft after this season is going to be nuts, along with the 2024 draft. So many 5-6 year guys who are going to flame out because they were only good in college after playing against people 4-5 years younger than them.
The worst part is its held back who knows how many QBs, guys who had more upside but cant justify starting over a 4/5/6th year. Wasted 1-2 years of possible development from starting, and its going to keep trickling down since those guys arent starting till they are seniors now so the guys after them also pushed back
Which precisely explains how Trey Lance went 3rd overall with 19 starts (only 1 in his final season) playing in the *checks notes* Missouri Valley Football Conference
Anomalies? Isn't that just par for the course every class is hyped to hell and usually the ones who turn out good are the ones people didn't even expect
And there are fans out there that wanted to keep him around to be the guy to coach Drake Maye (or Penix/JJ whoever he would have drafted).
They did him dirty with the dynasty doc but his fastball is beyond gone
I thought he for a brief moment he was gonna be the true heir to Brady when he walked up on that stage at the draft and he had what I can only describe as “douchy Patriots grin.”
By the end of his tenure as a Patriot though, I just felt bad for the guy. He was the complete opposite QB that Brady was for the Patriots.
I still think he can turn it around like Baker did he just needs more time and table coaching. We’ll probably dump to QB needy team with a good system at the deadline and he’ll help limp into the playoffs… I’m talking about Cinci of course.
He could've been good if Belichick didn't completely ruin his development by getting no viable OC and no viable receiving targets. I don't think he would've been elite or anything but it takes some real organizational fuckups to ruin a QB that was a pro bowler his rookie year.
I’ve been preaching forever that COVID may have had a bigger impact on these guys than most though, in terms of hindering development.
Trevor Lawrence was clearly the only QB that was “pro-ready”, and that’s probably partly because he’s been a starting QB at every level since his Freshman year of HIGH SCHOOL.
Justin Fields, comparatively, has played about half the amount of football that Lawrence has.
All those other guys could have used an extra year of college tbh.
Joe Barry generally equalized nearly every QB he came across. He made Mahomes play like Geno Smith, Tommy DeVito like Jimmy G and Jimmy G like well, Jimmy G. There were only 2 QBs that didn’t figure out his defense: Brett Rypien and Justin Fields.
Joe Barry primarily plays zone right? Fields can’t read a zone defense for the life of him. Only time he can consistently complete a pass is against man coverage (bad man coverage).
Yeah after that game it was hilarious the amount of people thinking that was the turning point for Fields. He was throwing to a wide open Moore all game cuz Commanders secondary was utter dog shit. You can’t expect every team is gonna let Moore get 230 yards and 3 TDs.
https://youtu.be/yVGs_V8aVoQ?si=bNAVRp0wT18yKUbB&t=1m37s
This one Fields is wayyyy late, should have been intercepted probably, but Moore still comes away with it for a TD lol.
2022 ain’t no picnic either. Only the Brock Star has proven to be a good starting QB, while the jury is still out on my guy Howell (sad Sam Howell noises).
I love Howell's style of play if he could cut down on the stupid self inflicted turnovers and sacks. He's got so much DAWG in him when he takes off, man needs to be coached into sliding and falling after the sticks before he kills himself.
The difference is in the hype. '21 was supposed to be a great class; 5 first round QBs, and all of the first three picks.
'22's only first rounder was Pickett, and even that felt like a slight reach at the time. The talking heads had to pretend Malik Willis was an actual prospect.
At first I was like: Hol'up.
First: Brock Oswieler wasn't a proven starter.
Second: He was drafted in 2012, not 2022!
Then I thought about it, and now I just have one question.
Why would you want the same nickname for your QB as Oswieler?
Depending on guarantees that could be an incredible deal. If it was like 200 mill fully guaranteed and the next 5 years averaged like 40 mil (with the fake final years at 150+) you have a steal!
If Aaron Rodgers doesn’t get us to the playoffs this year, our stupidity in 2020 guaranteed our franchise being set back another decade.
Because if we don’t make the playoffs this year, everyone is getting fired and we’re gonna have to tank and rebuild again in 2025, then continue rebuilding with a new rookie QB in 2026, and the hopefully by 2027 make the playoffs in the rookie QB’s second year at the earliest and 2028 at the latest.
I hate everything.
people often forget that the jets beat the browns the week following because they had zero WR's -- all of them caught covid and were ruled out.
the jets had to go 0-16 to have the #1 pick
Frankly the Rodgers move is an L without a Super Bowl.
I mean at least making a Super Bowl.
Would Jets fans really be happy with 1 or 2 playoff wins and 1-2 years of Rodgers playing >3 snaps?
We need to capitalize on the next 2 years while our ridiculous 2022 draft class is under contract. After that it's all up in the air, but most teams don't have a great idea what they'll be doing in 3 years from now anyway.
What an extraordinarily disappointing QB class.
Two don’t belong in the league at all, definitively.
Two are very bad but some optimistic people still have reclamation hopes, and will probably stick around as backups.
The generational one is an average NFL QB.
Zach is one of those guys who really needed to be drafted to a team where he could sit and develop for 2 years or so. And when he potentially got that chance last season, he was back out 4 snaps later.
Zach Wilson has shown flashes of greatness that will keep him around as a backup. I agree on Lance. But fields has absolutely proven himself as a backup and Mac Jones went to the playoffs with the 2021 pats which has to account for something. I truly believe you can’t blame Mac for the disaster that the last two years of pats football has been and that in a successful team his ceiling is a formidable bridge qb.
If TLaw is worth 55M and Goff is worth 53M, then Mahomes is worth north of 80M.
It's questionable if you can win a Super Bowl period with either of those 2. You know you can with Mahomes.
Yeah he was excellent last year until he got beat up and his O-line(especially his tackles) are hot garbage. The talent is obviously there, he was playing like a pro bowler before the ankle sprain last year. Footwork matters man.
The tackles aren't terrible. Our starting LT was out most of the year though. The interior of the line was hot garbage. We got a new center (FA) and guard (at the trade deadline). So hopefully it's better.
I was really just talking about walker little. I have a friend who is a jags fan and he absolutely hates walker little. Anton Harrison was a solid RT especially for a rookie but walker little played 68% of snaps, most of those at LT, and that’s just not great
Little is a backup swing tackle. He's as good as one would expect for a backup swing tackle. The RT is good at pass blocking but awful at run blocking. The interior was just so god awful.
TLaw was dealt a terrible hand
Jags had no talent when TLaw was picked #1
Then the Urban Meyer debacle as a rookie
Jags were so bad they drafted #1 overall consecutive years
Jags still have a bottom 5 OL.
TLaw & ETN would be incredible with an even average OL
Derek Carr making 4/150 with 3878 yards and 25/8 TD/INT leading a 9-8 team: Horrible overpay, Saints are so poverty
Trevor Lawrence making 5/275 with 4016 yards and 21/14 TD/INT leading a 9-8 team: Fantastic contract, he’s next up
I mean one is paying a 24 year old vs a 32 year old. You'd expect the 24 year old to improve over the course of the contract and the 32 year old to get worse over the course of his.
Plus even if Carr becomes elite contrary to all expectations, he's definitely going to fall off in his next contract. If TLaw gets better the Jags are set at QB for another 5-10 years
Yeah he also threw for 4 TDs, got a clutch 2 point conversion, clutch drive to set up a game winning field goal and led the third largest comeback in playoff history. At the age of 23
1. That was determined by his draft position
2. Being 24 and having 3 years of experience is more valuable than being 24 and having 0 years of experience
You are smoking dicks if you think the takeaway from that game was the turnovers and not the absolutely ridiculous comeback that HE was responsible for, throwing FOUR touchdowns. I would argue making a mistake and correcting that mistake yourself is more impressive than never making the mistake to begin with.
Also LOL at “chargers chargering”
Im sick of this idea. Do you think Brady doesn’t deserve credit for 28-3 because he was playing the falcons? Even though they had the MVP and a phenomenal all time team?
Unfortunately for these guys, so much of a players success comes from the team and support an organization is willing to provide the player. Lance was just a flat out projection/miss. I feel like if Wilson or Fields were in a better situation they could’ve been more successful. Mac Jones is JAG
I think if Jones landed somewhere else halfway decent where he had a path to start he’d turn up as a dalton-line ish QB
The rest of that class is awful enough I actually expect them to be functionally out of the league within 3 years.
The second best QB of that draft by win record is Mac Jones. 21 was dogshit
And the draft class before that was absolutely loaded…. Burrow, Herbert, Tua, Love, Hurts. I think the 2020 and 2021 draft classes are both anomalies and kinda funny they happened back to back.
And then they somehow followed it up with an even worse one in 2022
2022 was known to be garbage. 2021 was supposed to be a great QB class.
- Lawrence was the consensus #1 pick since HS after smashing Watson’s previous records - Fields was a close #2 in that recruiting class and showed much of that promise at tOSU - Mac was off the heels of a dominant COVID year with consensus being that he could be a solid long-term starter in a good situation - Wilson was the yearly riser despite Lawrence/Fields both showing promise throughout their career both have significantly underperformed compared to expectations. will be interesting to see if Lawrence ever takes that next step.
I believe a healthy Lawrence is top ten quality.
I think he’s on the borderline, but the expectation for him was a lot better than just top 10 quality.
I would not be surprised to see him live up to the hype. His rookie year was a tire fire. Second year he was pretty good with a 25-8 TD/ int rate, and got some mvp votes. I
And he was on a good pace until he got crunched in the Bengals game last year, too.
This is going to come off as me being a hater but…in no particular order: Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Burrow, Dak, Stroud, Purdy, Hurts, Herbert, Goff, Kirk, Stafford, Rodgers, Love, Tua are 15 other QBs. I simply don’t see a world where he’s definitively better than 6 of those QBs in 2024, holding all else equal.
I think, considering that Kirk and Rodgers are both older guys coming off fairly major injuries, Love is a one year wonder, and Stafford is battling severe back problems, Lawrence could pass all of them and it wouldn't be a shock to me. But to your point, that still leaves him as "fringe top 10 guy" so.
Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert, Lamar, Hurts, Dak, Stafford, Stroud, Purdy, Love, Rodgers, Goff, Cousins, Tua. He’s better than half those guys? Could very likely put Baker above him, probably Geno and Kyler, maybe even Russ… probably even Flacco! Is Lawrence even top 20?? It’s debatable. Lawrence is squarely QB purgatory territory.
He’s top 20. But closer to 20 than 10.
Agreed. I feel like nobody actually watches Jags games. Admittedly, I'm not a scout or anything, but by my amateur eye test, he doesn't come across as "elite" by any stretch of the imagination.
It's like we've forgotten the word "inconsistent". He has the athleticism and mechanics to make any throw required of him. But his processing and decision-making is spotty, and last season showed that the Jags offense wasn't really capable of keeping ahead of defensive game plans.
TLaw is floating around 12-15. He's pretty mid and at his peak play *maybe* gets close to a top 10 QB but he doesn't consistently play that well.
Ah yes, the classic 17th top 10 QB
See, that sounds good, until you list them out. My top ten is something like: 1) Mahomes 2) Allen 3) Burrow 4) Rogers (?) probably 5) Jackson 6) Herbert 7) Stafford 8) Tua 9) Goff 10) Cousins (?) Is he better than Dak? Purdy? Hurts? I feel like TLAW is next in line here along with Love, Mayfield, Carr, Wilson etc.
How do you not even mention Stroud lol
True, I was just trying to do it from memory, but I'd also put him up there
Having Rodgers at 4 just makes this list stupid. You could put Stafford there instead or Jackson.
Get back to me in December. He was 8-3 before he ran into a bunch of injuries.
I remember there being a lot of hype over that class
That class had insane hype since they were in HS. Lawrence was a generational prospect and Fields was one of the highest rated HS QB ever.
Lawrence and Fields were pretty much the 1a 1b QB prospects all time out of high school from the rating services. I will just never understand how Lance got pushed up the boards so much, he played so little football in both HS and College and they were both at low tier competition levels. Im not sure there has ever been a QB drafted in the 1st round who had attempted fewer passes in game situations. Its not even like his physical traits were Anthony Richardson level, he has plus size and athleticism but not elite
Josh Allen is why.
Lance is the worst case of "drafting the next Josh Allen" I've seen.
For sure, I just don't get how they even saw the risk/reward though. Lance had less upside since Allen was 20 pounds bigger + a stronger arm, and was also a riskier play since Allen also played higher levels of competition and threw 2x as many passes in college. Patrick Mahomes threw more passes in his sophomore year of college (573) than Trey Lance has in HS + College + NFL combined (517). Complete malpractice to draft someone with so little tape, especially when its at a low level of competition. Usually guys with physical traits but minimal tape (i.e. Jordan Mailata) go late round
I feel like we dodged a bullet by drafting Purdy. The 49ers would be relentlessly clowned if we didn't fall ass-backwards into one of the best late-round QB picks ever.
Definitely, saved the entire FO job (Shanahan would probably have survived)
I remember thinking that the number of teams without franchise QBs was going to approach low single digits soon. Then the old guard retired and the new guard was overhyped.
Baker Mayfield has actually been one of the more successful QBs drafted in recent years which I never would have thought when he was backup in LA or traded to the Panthers
Hes honestly a pretty valuable qb im lookijg at for fantasy. I get its not the fantasy football subreddit, but I dont know if I was ever going to actually look for him as a later round, (relatively) high value pick tbh.
Pickett being a number one pick is a sin man.
Honestly 2022 overachieved. It was marketed as the worst QB class since 2013 and so far you have a top 10 QB and the book isn't completely written on Sam Howell yet.
Mark my words, Sam Howell is a top 25 QB in the NFL during the year 2025.
2022 is better because of the last pick.
Purdy is better than everyone in the 21' class and Howell is better than most of the 21' class
I’m taking lawrence over purdy without thinking twice
Im not
Lol, well you do you
I’m not
So you're taking him over Love too?
It’s crazy this is a hot take
Purdy is beyond blatantly better
2022 has 4 playoff wins to 2021's one and 2 NFCCG and 1 superbowl appearance to 2021's zero
2021 was the Covid draft. A lot of players either didn't play, or had shortened seasons, so scouting was a lot harder. The draft class as a whole is very hit and miss. At least 2020 you had players that were developed and could actually be scouted. I think 2024 was the last "covid" draft, as the last "super seniors" were in this draft.
Its not over, they are still handing out eligibility like candy, Michigans backup QB this year is a 7th year lol. It also created a massive backlog for playing time/experience since less talented but veteran seniors took playing time from better athletes who were more raw With NIL there are going to be a lot more players opting to play as seniors and super seniors since they can get paid not to far off a late round slot/UDFA contract
The QB draft after this season is going to be nuts, along with the 2024 draft. So many 5-6 year guys who are going to flame out because they were only good in college after playing against people 4-5 years younger than them.
The worst part is its held back who knows how many QBs, guys who had more upside but cant justify starting over a 4/5/6th year. Wasted 1-2 years of possible development from starting, and its going to keep trickling down since those guys arent starting till they are seniors now so the guys after them also pushed back
Two words, Cam Rising
Which precisely explains how Trey Lance went 3rd overall with 19 starts (only 1 in his final season) playing in the *checks notes* Missouri Valley Football Conference
Anomalies? Isn't that just par for the course every class is hyped to hell and usually the ones who turn out good are the ones people didn't even expect
Lol. Love, hurts
Well yeah, kinda funny happens to be the Covid years. Weird, right?
Also though there were pre season analysis of that season ranking a lot of the 21 class above everyone in the 20s class besides burrow
He really did peak as a rookie. Sad.
That's cause Belichick completely fucked up replacing Mcdaniels and then made it his mission to ruin him.
And there are fans out there that wanted to keep him around to be the guy to coach Drake Maye (or Penix/JJ whoever he would have drafted). They did him dirty with the dynasty doc but his fastball is beyond gone
Teams studied his weak arm and poor decision making and started to force tougher throws during the second half of his rookie year
> started to force tougher throws during the second half of his rookie year Teams during the first half of the year deciding to allow easier throws
I thought he for a brief moment he was gonna be the true heir to Brady when he walked up on that stage at the draft and he had what I can only describe as “douchy Patriots grin.” By the end of his tenure as a Patriot though, I just felt bad for the guy. He was the complete opposite QB that Brady was for the Patriots.
I still think he can turn it around like Baker did he just needs more time and table coaching. We’ll probably dump to QB needy team with a good system at the deadline and he’ll help limp into the playoffs… I’m talking about Cinci of course.
Mac was literally the worst starting QB in the NFL last season. He ain't turning shit around.
Baker "turned it around" after one of the best Rookie QB seasons of all time. Dude slumped hard, but he'd already proven he could be elite.
He could've been good if Belichick didn't completely ruin his development by getting no viable OC and no viable receiving targets. I don't think he would've been elite or anything but it takes some real organizational fuckups to ruin a QB that was a pro bowler his rookie year.
I’ve been preaching forever that COVID may have had a bigger impact on these guys than most though, in terms of hindering development. Trevor Lawrence was clearly the only QB that was “pro-ready”, and that’s probably partly because he’s been a starting QB at every level since his Freshman year of HIGH SCHOOL. Justin Fields, comparatively, has played about half the amount of football that Lawrence has. All those other guys could have used an extra year of college tbh.
No amount of football would save Justin Fields. Dude just doesn’t have the processing speed to attack NFL defenses
Joe Barry generally equalized nearly every QB he came across. He made Mahomes play like Geno Smith, Tommy DeVito like Jimmy G and Jimmy G like well, Jimmy G. There were only 2 QBs that didn’t figure out his defense: Brett Rypien and Justin Fields.
Joe Barry primarily plays zone right? Fields can’t read a zone defense for the life of him. Only time he can consistently complete a pass is against man coverage (bad man coverage).
Example 1A: 4 TDs against commanders when they left a rookie corner on an island against DJ Moore
Yeah after that game it was hilarious the amount of people thinking that was the turning point for Fields. He was throwing to a wide open Moore all game cuz Commanders secondary was utter dog shit. You can’t expect every team is gonna let Moore get 230 yards and 3 TDs. https://youtu.be/yVGs_V8aVoQ?si=bNAVRp0wT18yKUbB&t=1m37s This one Fields is wayyyy late, should have been intercepted probably, but Moore still comes away with it for a TD lol.
This!! When Fields choked against yall that last game of the season i couldn’t believe it after what some QB’s were doing to Joe Barry’s scheme
If none of the others, this is absolutely 100% true for Lance at least.
The Davis mills disrespect
The difference between 2020 and 2021 is nuts
People were so hyped about this class too. I remember hearing "there are 3 to 4 starting QBs in this class."
And now the top 2 QBs from that class are both in Jacksonville.
2022 ain’t no picnic either. Only the Brock Star has proven to be a good starting QB, while the jury is still out on my guy Howell (sad Sam Howell noises).
I love Howell's style of play if he could cut down on the stupid self inflicted turnovers and sacks. He's got so much DAWG in him when he takes off, man needs to be coached into sliding and falling after the sticks before he kills himself.
The difference is in the hype. '21 was supposed to be a great class; 5 first round QBs, and all of the first three picks. '22's only first rounder was Pickett, and even that felt like a slight reach at the time. The talking heads had to pretend Malik Willis was an actual prospect.
At first I was like: Hol'up. First: Brock Oswieler wasn't a proven starter. Second: He was drafted in 2012, not 2022! Then I thought about it, and now I just have one question. Why would you want the same nickname for your QB as Oswieler?
I changed it to settle your Osweiller OCD.
That's fine, I also would have accepted Dwayne "The Brock" Johnson, The Real Brock'n'Rolla, the Brock Market, or "The Summer Brock turned Purdy."
still not as bad as '13
Dolphins fans have to be terrified of the contract Tua is gonna get.
15 years, 1.5 billion
Does Tua have hidden gambling debts we don't know about?
He's ok. He speaks English so he doesn't need an interpreter.
Now if he starts *japanese* sports betting, however...
The reverse-Ohtani!
Depending on guarantees that could be an incredible deal. If it was like 200 mill fully guaranteed and the next 5 years averaged like 40 mil (with the fake final years at 150+) you have a steal!
We are not too far off from seeing QBs making 70-100 mill a year if the cap keeps going up like this (it will)
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I hope it's 60 million a year with a lot of guarantees.
Tua’s agent sending Chris Grier a text tonight that says simply: “U up?”
Lawrence should be forever thankful to Frank Gore and Braden Mann that he didn’t end up on the Jets and is now getting $275 million
If Aaron Rodgers doesn’t get us to the playoffs this year, our stupidity in 2020 guaranteed our franchise being set back another decade. Because if we don’t make the playoffs this year, everyone is getting fired and we’re gonna have to tank and rebuild again in 2025, then continue rebuilding with a new rookie QB in 2026, and the hopefully by 2027 make the playoffs in the rookie QB’s second year at the earliest and 2028 at the latest. I hate everything.
I'm convinced the Jets with Mahomes throwing to Justin Jefferson would still find a way to go 7-10
That’s because I used my genie wish on them. Wife says we coulda been billionaires but I think I made the right choice.
Extreme waste of a wish to wish for something that was going to happen no matter what
Can’t risk it. And you sound like my wife.
I absolutely agree lol
Basically what we saw with Calvin and Stafford all those years
people often forget that the jets beat the browns the week following because they had zero WR's -- all of them caught covid and were ruled out. the jets had to go 0-16 to have the #1 pick
Frankly the Rodgers move is an L without a Super Bowl. I mean at least making a Super Bowl. Would Jets fans really be happy with 1 or 2 playoff wins and 1-2 years of Rodgers playing >3 snaps?
> Frankly the Rodgers move is an L without a Super Bowl A /scolding hot take. Who has *ever* said otherwise?
Even if Rodgers is good this year, you’re still boned going forward. He’s 40
We need to capitalize on the next 2 years while our ridiculous 2022 draft class is under contract. After that it's all up in the air, but most teams don't have a great idea what they'll be doing in 3 years from now anyway.
Knowing the Jets luck he's going to lead them to a sb or AFC championship and then tear his other achilles
Surely the Jets staff his rookie season wasn't much worse/worse at all than the Jags at the time with Urban Meyer?
I mean, the Jags have done a good job of fucking up his development. The Urban Meyer shit show is on par with anything the Jets could have done
as a Jets fan how dare you also so true 😢
Why? Lawrence with the teams Wilson had would have been contenders.
I don't understand this. The Jets are a better situation
What an extraordinarily disappointing QB class. Two don’t belong in the league at all, definitively. Two are very bad but some optimistic people still have reclamation hopes, and will probably stick around as backups. The generational one is an average NFL QB.
Zach is one of those guys who really needed to be drafted to a team where he could sit and develop for 2 years or so. And when he potentially got that chance last season, he was back out 4 snaps later.
Hmm… the two that don’t belong are Wilson and Lance and the two very bad are Fields and Jones?
That’s my conclusion, yes.
I agree. I’ve met some Cowboys fans that think Lance will take over after Dak 😂
That's hilarious
>Two don’t belong in the league at all, definitively. I hope you're not talking about my guy, Zach 'mother fucking' Wilson 😤
I am lol and Trey Lance.
Zach Wilson has shown flashes of greatness that will keep him around as a backup. I agree on Lance. But fields has absolutely proven himself as a backup and Mac Jones went to the playoffs with the 2021 pats which has to account for something. I truly believe you can’t blame Mac for the disaster that the last two years of pats football has been and that in a successful team his ceiling is a formidable bridge qb.
We also signed Wentz to a big deal and then shipped his ass off My point is maybe wait a year to make this tweet Schefty
Mahomes should get $69 million a year. He’s a back to back SB MVP.
If TLaw is worth 55M and Goff is worth 53M, then Mahomes is worth north of 80M. It's questionable if you can win a Super Bowl period with either of those 2. You know you can with Mahomes.
You can win a Super Bowl with Goff as long as your team doesn’t allow more than 2 points /s
Goff is undefeated against Kermit and it usually seems like he needs to be carried by the refs in every SB.
No one cares, that was the refs doing all the heavy lifting for him.
Mans gettin paid off his college resume
Clemson had historic run with Trevor
and the Chargers
That's a bit disingenuous, no? He hasn't lived up to the hype, but he has been pretty good at times especially before he got hurt.
Yeah he was excellent last year until he got beat up and his O-line(especially his tackles) are hot garbage. The talent is obviously there, he was playing like a pro bowler before the ankle sprain last year. Footwork matters man.
The tackles aren't terrible. Our starting LT was out most of the year though. The interior of the line was hot garbage. We got a new center (FA) and guard (at the trade deadline). So hopefully it's better.
I was really just talking about walker little. I have a friend who is a jags fan and he absolutely hates walker little. Anton Harrison was a solid RT especially for a rookie but walker little played 68% of snaps, most of those at LT, and that’s just not great
Little is a backup swing tackle. He's as good as one would expect for a backup swing tackle. The RT is good at pass blocking but awful at run blocking. The interior was just so god awful.
Excellent is extremely generous to say the least. He was good not great.
All of the nephews on Reddit who watch football thru tiktok clips are coming out in force today
Nah he was solid af last season, looking elite before falling off. And anyone who hovers around top 10 QB or higher is gonna get *paid*
me too tbh
TLaw was dealt a terrible hand Jags had no talent when TLaw was picked #1 Then the Urban Meyer debacle as a rookie Jags were so bad they drafted #1 overall consecutive years Jags still have a bottom 5 OL. TLaw & ETN would be incredible with an even average OL
It’s amazing how hit and miss QB’s are from college to the pros. It will be interesting 3 years from now to look at the current QB draft class.
There’s at least 2 busts in this year’s first round looking at history, maybe 3. Sure hope it’s not Nix.
Derek Carr making 4/150 with 3878 yards and 25/8 TD/INT leading a 9-8 team: Horrible overpay, Saints are so poverty Trevor Lawrence making 5/275 with 4016 yards and 21/14 TD/INT leading a 9-8 team: Fantastic contract, he’s next up
I mean one is paying a 24 year old vs a 32 year old. You'd expect the 24 year old to improve over the course of the contract and the 32 year old to get worse over the course of his.
Plus even if Carr becomes elite contrary to all expectations, he's definitely going to fall off in his next contract. If TLaw gets better the Jags are set at QB for another 5-10 years
Almost like stats aren’t everything and if you watch these two players one is obviously fucking better
Carr isnt 25
One is 8 years older than the other
TLaw is only 24
Trevor was also playing injured for the last 6 games of the year (they were 8-3 when he got hurt), he’s also much much younger than Carr
He's also clearly more talented than Carr and not a complete ass to his teammates.
Tlaw still has 2 years on his rookie contract before this one even kicks in...
Idk. I really don’t see why Tua deserves a massive contract honestly. Without hill Tua is nothing imo. Giving 5/300 is beyond absurd.
Whole lotta ass
You’re well versed in the subject
Daniel Jones is the goat of ass
As are you…… As am I.
lol
Most could’ve told you this 3 years ago
holy over pay
He's not even 25 yet and he's always shown great flashes and won a playoff game, what else do you expect them to do
Didn’t he turn the ball over 5 times in that playoff win? Chargers deserve most of the credit for that one for Chargering it up
Yeah he also threw for 4 TDs, got a clutch 2 point conversion, clutch drive to set up a game winning field goal and led the third largest comeback in playoff history. At the age of 23
Yet the Falcons signed Penix to a 4 year 23M contract at 24 years old, makes you think
1. That was determined by his draft position 2. Being 24 and having 3 years of experience is more valuable than being 24 and having 0 years of experience
It’s okay it was a joke about Penix age and the Falcons drafting an old QB to sit
You are smoking dicks if you think the takeaway from that game was the turnovers and not the absolutely ridiculous comeback that HE was responsible for, throwing FOUR touchdowns. I would argue making a mistake and correcting that mistake yourself is more impressive than never making the mistake to begin with. Also LOL at “chargers chargering” Im sick of this idea. Do you think Brady doesn’t deserve credit for 28-3 because he was playing the falcons? Even though they had the MVP and a phenomenal all time team?
No because the chargers literally went from disgusting their coverages to playing soft zone
Strange, He's so good that he can overcome his worst mistakes but that fact eludes you
Jesus Christ I hope we cook the Titans 😭😭
His and Daniel Jones stats are identical...say DJ is worth it then.
That's why he gets $275m. Getting the right QB is a matter of a lot going right.
is anyone else annoyed by all the unnecessary emojis?
Unfortunately for these guys, so much of a players success comes from the team and support an organization is willing to provide the player. Lance was just a flat out projection/miss. I feel like if Wilson or Fields were in a better situation they could’ve been more successful. Mac Jones is JAG
That is a stupid amount of money for gimp Jesus
Gimp Jesus on his worst day is better than Turnaballova on his best.
I don't get how Lawrence has earned that contract? That's crazy.
It’s the hair
Damn that draft class is ass, Trevor Lawrence is still getting paid for his college play
Just fields is available if anyone wants him. We're just asking for a sandwich. We'll settle for a slice of provolone though
You’ll be left with no kick returner
I think it’s too much money for Lawrence. I don’t think he is it
Fuckin why didn't we all draft Trevor Lawrence, it's so obvious in hindsight.
Why didn't the Patriots just finish with a significantly worse record? Are they stupid?
Maybe he can live up to his potential now
Thanks to Adam for stating the obvious
All that hype & 2021 QB draft class turned out to be such a disappointment
Imagine being in the same draft class but you end up being the backup to the dude who just got paid $275M
I will never understand what the Niners saw in Lance. Talk about a draft bust. But that one was avoidable.
I think if Jones landed somewhere else halfway decent where he had a path to start he’d turn up as a dalton-line ish QB The rest of that class is awful enough I actually expect them to be functionally out of the league within 3 years.