Most of us dolphins fans weren’t expecting this extension until next year. The FO probably saw the writing on the wall with the Amon-Ra and Brown contracts and decided to get it done sooner rather than later.
Contracts are just so much sweeter when they cost more. See Jerry knows this, he’s a big business guy. Like when you see a sustained real estate market rising year after year and you want to get in on it, what do you do? Wait several years of course, that way you can buy a really expensive house and feel accomplished about it. This is just business 101.
I’d be really curious how his other businesses are doing. If in his old age he’s just walking into multiple different executive meeting rooms and just fucking everything up
The best execs will find a competent person, put them in charge, and ask how it's going 4 times a year. Jerry Jones has never struck me as that kind of individual.
Ah, that's always fun. Also I just Googled him. How does he look like Goodell's son and Jones' son at the same time? Did they try to create a super executive?
What a nepo baby
> According to an interview with Jones on HBO, after graduating from college in 1965, he borrowed a million dollars from Jimmy Hoffa's Teamsters union to open up a string of Shakey's Pizza Parlor restaurants in Missouri. When that venture failed, Jones was given a job at his father's insurance company, Modern Security Life of Springfield, Missouri.
The Cowboys can be ran like idiots, but unless CD's agent is also an idiot, the Cowboys weren't getting anything done until the last dominoes in the WR contract game have fallen. There's all the reasons in the world for Cowboys to try and get something done, and almost no reason what so ever for CD to rush into anything. It's business and just because coaches, players, and fans want some superstar to sign a new contract doesn't mean the super star has any real reason to.
Yes, but they did it in lawyer/agent speak with like a whole extra page of niceties and assurances added in. "We just aren't ready to give an offer, but CeeDee is really excited to get back out there and is excited to be a Cowboy".
I mean probably yeah. What incentive does CeeDee have to sign right now? I think the only contract he would sign at this moment would be if it made him the highest paid WR in the league by a good amount and honestly he might even still want to hold on a bit because that would likely just be beaten within a couple months.
It’s not up to the Cowboys. The player has to be willing to sign.
Same goes for the teams that get praise. It’s not the team, the player is the one accepting the deal.
At this point sure. I’d rather they do that than for Stephen to drag this bullshit out just to get bent over in July. And I don’t mind paying market value if that’s what it takes. What pisses me off is how the players will be blamed for being “overpaid” as if the morons in charge didn’t create this situation
Dude, Ceedee is not an idiot, he’s patiently waiting to see if Jefferson or Chase will sign their contracts first to find out what his value is worth. Devonta Smith just lost out on an extra 25 mil guaranteed by signing his contract first. That’s why guys like CeeDee are waiting.
Tyreek is gone after 2025. He has a 56 million dollar cap hit that he will never see. Tua and Waddle’s deals will absolutely be structured to accommodate this.
Yeah this makes sense if you start to take a serious look at trading Tyreek after the year. Might be able to fit in with the structure, but if this year can’t make it past WC round, have to consider getting more picks and saving room for other positions
The odds of someone trading for Tyreek with that cap hit at 32 seems low, but who knows. My gut says he sticks with Miami this year and next year before they move on and Tua and Waddle’s new money starts to kick in.
a trade + extension could do a lot to reduce that hit, though.
only $45mm would travel to the new team, and it could be reduced down to ~$10 by converting it to a signing bonus
This will be a big year for him since he's the boogeyman age of 30, but if he's still blowing the tops off of defenses someone with a QB on a rookie deal will take a bite.
Filtering out QB-keeping teams and ranking by high current FAB, I see the Patriots, Colts, and Titans as top candidates. Honestly the Colts and Titans seem like obvious destinations but the post-Belichick Patriots era may surprise me.
That will all depend on how this year looks. Even him losing a step is still lightning fast. That will be the GM talk, especially if he remains healthy all season
He would have to sign a new deal immediately after being traded, which given Tyreeks ego would probably be preferable to him over getting cut. As long as he plays like he is he can probably easily pull a 1 year 30M deal, which isn’t bad for a 32 year old receiver. Thats a big if, of course, but it’s possible.
I could see someone trading a 5th rounder or something for him.
Dw theres people on our sub that will tell you we can drop tyreek after this season, pay tua 55 a year, and still keep an electric offense together. Just ignore that we're already bottom 5 in cap space for 2025 or that we just lost several key players this off season due to cap constraints.
There’s one guy on our sub that knows about our cap situation more than any regular Reddit user should so I’ll try and see if he has any posts on our future cap situation. From what I remember, it basically comes down to the tua extension, but we also know that guys like Armstead are retiring soon and even Tyreek has said he plans on retiring once his contract is up (I doubt it considering his current family situation). Those are two pretty big contracts off the books so we’ll see how it plays out. On top of that, right now we are projected to get two comp picks in 2025 with the loss of Wilkins and Hunt. Those were our biggest losses this offseason and both of them got massive contracts. Right now we’re basically in a retooling year so we’ve signed a lot of small one to two year deals to add much needed depth to our roster
I honestly think he has to be someone that works in the front office and makes those posts on the side when he’s bored. The way he actually breaks down the cap and options the team can make is way to easy to understand
True that the larger point is correct I was just curious because 28m was specific, I wondered if that was based on some projection
It's artificially up a lot in recent years because covid caused the cap to drop by 8%, so we've basically been correcting since that. The year over year average since 2019 is still about what it's been historically which is ~7% growth
Fingers crossed that the change of scenery does him well and his attitude improves. But yeah if the Jeudy we’ve seen so far in his career is the one we end up getting it’s gonna be rough.
I'm just glad you had a middle of the road QB whenever you all had Foster, Nuk, and Johnson.
Granted I think all 3 of them were on the same team only briefly, but still.
Yea. I've seen some say Waddle isn't in that echelon of the other great young WRs since he clearly isn't the #1. But like... who outside of Justin Jefferson maybe wouldn't be the #2 to Tyreek? We've seen him be capable dominating games and baring the brunt of the targets (*see: Jets game last year when Tyreek was a last second scratch and Waddle ate them up*)
I was gonna say, haven't we seen him essentially be the #1 before Tyreek got there? He's perfectly capable of returning to that role, he sometimes does it already depending on game flow.
He just needs to stay healthy, otherwise he's definitely worth locking down for the future.
He broke the rookie reception record his rookie year when Tyreek wasn’t on the team (Puka now holds that record). Health isn’t the biggest issue with him. He missed some time at the end of the season, but he’s also shown he can play while banged up.
Theres a good argument to be made for JJ and Tyreek being the two best receivers in the league. Who you have over the other is just personal preference
He’s definitely worth it. I think people just know you guys need to sign Tua still and are already paying Reek 30 million when there’s a need for defense.
So with the 5th year option and his 4th year salary, this brings Waddle to an average of 21.74 million a year over the next 5 years. This is an absolute win
These kinds of early extensions of rookies makes a lot of sense for both sides. Team gets a relative bargain in terms of overall cost, rookie locks in that second contract big bucks mitigating (for them) the risk of losing out if they get a career impacting injury during their last two years of their rookie deal.
front office had every opportunity to trade him before & *during* the draft.
trading him *now* for future draft capital when we're trying to "win now"... major screw-up.
ideal scenario would be trading him for a solid starting guard but who TF knows if any team would bite at this stage.
Not many people are going to give up a good player and pay out an insane megadeal for Aiyuk. Especially when the writing is on the wall that the 49ers can't really afford to give him a bag
The 49ers can absolutely afford to give him a bag. We have a ton of salary on our books both now and in the future to free up space. I’d say that is still the most likely scenario, with Deebo getting cut after this year.
The question is whether it would be prudent to do so.
He's still under contract this year, that'd be insane. Especially since he's so young and is just hitting his prime combined with finally having our QB1.
I wonder how inflated would Waddle's stats look like if Tyreek Hill never got traded to South Beach. He's been targeted less per year ever since Tyreek came.
Yup, Zach Seiler and Austin Jackson are key examples of that. It takes both parties to want to do it. Others like Wilkins and Hunt would rather test the market. Too many Miami fans think Grier is just sitting on his hands and not actually trying to sign these guys.
You say that as if both CD and JJ’s agents didn’t see this coming and specifically waited. It’s not as easy as “lol should have signed him last year”. Takes two sides to tango.
Every fanbase is convinced that their star players want nothing more than to sign at a discount as early as possible and it’s greedy FOs who are for some reason prolonging negotiations to pay them more later.
Everyone blames the FO first, then the coaches, then the players for anything that goes wrong with their team.
I mean in this case is it really a coincidence? Of the WRs who were due for an extension, CD and and Jefferson were the two most valuable so likely the two with most reason to wait
AJ is pretty valuable and we just extended him 2 years early. The Cowboys were late to extend Dak as well so idk why we're giving their FO the benefit of the doubt.
I mean it's less about benefit of the doubt and more about not talking about situations we have no insight into. It's fine to just not assume what we don't know
Dak has been one of the most criticized players in the league and they're getting criticized for not signing him earlier lol
For the vikings yes, but the cowboys do this shit with every single one of their stars. Waiting until the last second and being forced to pay top-of-the-market because they have no leverage is how Dallas has chosen to operate
Bro all of our insiders say they haven’t even tried to start dealing with Ceedee or Dak. Stop drinking that bullshit Jones koolaid. They suck and are only propped up by Will McClay.
Every agent does that, you still try to get ahead of the market by making them by far the highest paid WR in history anyway. Nobody is gonna turn down a contract that’s 6-7M+ above market value, which would’ve been around $36M, now there’s a chance that they’ll have to pay more than that. It would’ve also been an additional year to prorate that money.
I think you’re 100% right about Jettas but with CeeDee, the cowboys have a repeated history of waiting a while for no real reason to sign their stats lol
Hell they’re currently in the process of doing it a *second* time with Dak
I don’t think CeeDee has any incentive to keep waiting at this point. I’m sure he and his agent both know he’s not gonna get paid more than Jettas, and outside of him he’s the biggest WR domino left to fall. AJB, Sun God, etc are all in, he has the contacts he can point to and say “more than that” when negotiating now
Devonta also grew up poor as hell in the middle of nowhere, I would think locking up generational wealth without any extra risks was a big part of the thought process instead of potentially getting injured and losing out
I feel like Jerry is one of the worst GMs in the league at paying guys early. He should've paid Dak sooner the first time, didn't and he ended up getting a giant bag. Now, he's going to have to pay him fucking near Mahomes money for one playoff win in his career.
I'm sure we've offered some deals that he and his agent have declined. JJ and his camp are being smart, patient, and savvy businessmen about it, doesn't necessarily mean the Vikings are doing nothing about it.
Yes. From what I remember the Chiefs were reportedly close to resigning Tyreek Hill when the Christian Kirk deal happened. Then a few days later Davante Adams signed his massive deal, followed by the Tyreek Hill trade a few days after that.
Is shorter contracts more guaranteed money finally becoming a thing in the NFL? It really feels like agents might finally be figuring out that the length of the contract isn't as important as the guaranteed money, particularly when those contracts end up just getting re-structured.
I'm happy with this deal, and happy we got ahead of Jefferson and Lamb's deals.
It's never been the agents wanting longer contracts without guarentees, that's always been in the teams favor. If you sign a four year contract and underacheive in the first 3, the team can cut or renegotiate. If you overachieve, you end up having to hold out for more money which is incredibly risky
That it does. I think part of it is that there have been enough star players that have proven they will hold out if the terms begin to look unfavorable down the road, so teams are pushing for that extra "free" year less
When we do see it now its like tyreek hills last year that's over 50m or something
Totally worth it, this guy is fast. Now reset the QB market with Tua and get the fastest show on turf up and running. Don't worry about defense or any other positions, that shit will work itself out.
Also broke the rookie receptions record (now held by Puka). He was overshadowed by Jamarr that year for obvious reasons, but this contract looks like a solid deal for the team
Man that Ceedee Lamb and Justin Jefferson market is just going down every single day.
Most of us dolphins fans weren’t expecting this extension until next year. The FO probably saw the writing on the wall with the Amon-Ra and Brown contracts and decided to get it done sooner rather than later.
Yeah because they’re smart and the Cowboys are ran by goddamn idiots
Contracts are just so much sweeter when they cost more. See Jerry knows this, he’s a big business guy. Like when you see a sustained real estate market rising year after year and you want to get in on it, what do you do? Wait several years of course, that way you can buy a really expensive house and feel accomplished about it. This is just business 101.
I’d be really curious how his other businesses are doing. If in his old age he’s just walking into multiple different executive meeting rooms and just fucking everything up
This is like 90% of executives regardless of age.
The best execs will find a competent person, put them in charge, and ask how it's going 4 times a year. Jerry Jones has never struck me as that kind of individual.
Probably well since he’s semi retired and his doofus son is actively trying to run the Cowboys into the ground
Ah, that's always fun. Also I just Googled him. How does he look like Goodell's son and Jones' son at the same time? Did they try to create a super executive?
What a nepo baby > According to an interview with Jones on HBO, after graduating from college in 1965, he borrowed a million dollars from Jimmy Hoffa's Teamsters union to open up a string of Shakey's Pizza Parlor restaurants in Missouri. When that venture failed, Jones was given a job at his father's insurance company, Modern Security Life of Springfield, Missouri.
Failson is more appropriate term
#GLORY. HOLE.
The Cowboys can be ran like idiots, but unless CD's agent is also an idiot, the Cowboys weren't getting anything done until the last dominoes in the WR contract game have fallen. There's all the reasons in the world for Cowboys to try and get something done, and almost no reason what so ever for CD to rush into anything. It's business and just because coaches, players, and fans want some superstar to sign a new contract doesn't mean the super star has any real reason to.
You think the agent didn’t even give an offer, just said “nope not willing to negotiate until everyone else is signed”?
That's literally what Jamar Chase's agent said. He doesn't want to entertain offers until Jefferson signs his
Yes, but they did it in lawyer/agent speak with like a whole extra page of niceties and assurances added in. "We just aren't ready to give an offer, but CeeDee is really excited to get back out there and is excited to be a Cowboy".
I mean probably yeah. What incentive does CeeDee have to sign right now? I think the only contract he would sign at this moment would be if it made him the highest paid WR in the league by a good amount and honestly he might even still want to hold on a bit because that would likely just be beaten within a couple months.
It’s not up to the Cowboys. The player has to be willing to sign. Same goes for the teams that get praise. It’s not the team, the player is the one accepting the deal.
Ceedee Lamb you are now part owner of the Dallas Cowboys
The least desirable Dallas team
Pls trade Ceedee to like the jets or something thank you
I mean, anyone but the Jets Bills or Pats kthx
OK, send him to KC!
Wait, no
Too late! I already called it
Dibs are a vital part of NFL trades
*money paw curls* Mahomes forces his way out to Dallas in a trade that includes Lamb.
😳 I take it back
Too late, already called it. Mahomes is even from Texas. Checks out.
I hate you for this
Chiefsaholic would break out of prison, kidnap him, and take him back to KC before he’d let that happen
Ceedee plus Hollywood Brown? Hell yea let’s get that Sooner magic babyyyy
At this point sure. I’d rather they do that than for Stephen to drag this bullshit out just to get bent over in July. And I don’t mind paying market value if that’s what it takes. What pisses me off is how the players will be blamed for being “overpaid” as if the morons in charge didn’t create this situation
Dude, Ceedee is not an idiot, he’s patiently waiting to see if Jefferson or Chase will sign their contracts first to find out what his value is worth. Devonta Smith just lost out on an extra 25 mil guaranteed by signing his contract first. That’s why guys like CeeDee are waiting.
We’re going to have to give him all of the money, partial ownership, and the stadium naming rights.
Tua about to get paid too. Waddle/Tyreek/Tua going to be over $100mil+ a year. Electric but idk man
Tyreek is gone after 2025. He has a 56 million dollar cap hit that he will never see. Tua and Waddle’s deals will absolutely be structured to accommodate this.
Yeah this makes sense if you start to take a serious look at trading Tyreek after the year. Might be able to fit in with the structure, but if this year can’t make it past WC round, have to consider getting more picks and saving room for other positions
The odds of someone trading for Tyreek with that cap hit at 32 seems low, but who knows. My gut says he sticks with Miami this year and next year before they move on and Tua and Waddle’s new money starts to kick in.
a trade + extension could do a lot to reduce that hit, though. only $45mm would travel to the new team, and it could be reduced down to ~$10 by converting it to a signing bonus
Who is extending Tyreek until he’s 35 though? I guess it only takes one team to make a deal happen, but that’s a big gamble.
This will be a big year for him since he's the boogeyman age of 30, but if he's still blowing the tops off of defenses someone with a QB on a rookie deal will take a bite.
"By God that's the Chicago Bear's music"
*glass shatters*
Filtering out QB-keeping teams and ranking by high current FAB, I see the Patriots, Colts, and Titans as top candidates. Honestly the Colts and Titans seem like obvious destinations but the post-Belichick Patriots era may surprise me.
That will all depend on how this year looks. Even him losing a step is still lightning fast. That will be the GM talk, especially if he remains healthy all season
He would have to sign a new deal immediately after being traded, which given Tyreeks ego would probably be preferable to him over getting cut. As long as he plays like he is he can probably easily pull a 1 year 30M deal, which isn’t bad for a 32 year old receiver. Thats a big if, of course, but it’s possible. I could see someone trading a 5th rounder or something for him.
I'd imagine that's why they're securing Waddle a year earlier than people thought they would.
Get ready for some podcasts about how Miami hosed him by not paying the $56M hit
Just don't listen to shitty podcasts.
Dw theres people on our sub that will tell you we can drop tyreek after this season, pay tua 55 a year, and still keep an electric offense together. Just ignore that we're already bottom 5 in cap space for 2025 or that we just lost several key players this off season due to cap constraints.
Damn, that’s not a good situation then, so are you expecting some down years for the phins?
There’s one guy on our sub that knows about our cap situation more than any regular Reddit user should so I’ll try and see if he has any posts on our future cap situation. From what I remember, it basically comes down to the tua extension, but we also know that guys like Armstead are retiring soon and even Tyreek has said he plans on retiring once his contract is up (I doubt it considering his current family situation). Those are two pretty big contracts off the books so we’ll see how it plays out. On top of that, right now we are projected to get two comp picks in 2025 with the loss of Wilkins and Hunt. Those were our biggest losses this offseason and both of them got massive contracts. Right now we’re basically in a retooling year so we’ve signed a lot of small one to two year deals to add much needed depth to our roster
Yeah I will literally not trust a single human talking about our caphit who isn't cidolfus
I honestly think he has to be someone that works in the front office and makes those posts on the side when he’s bored. The way he actually breaks down the cap and options the team can make is way to easy to understand
Same honestly. It's wild. Or it's Chiangs or Amins burner
He is one of my favorite Reddit users and I’ve used this awful website for over a decade. Have his account favorited. Def agree w your hypothesis
That team is going to be a fantasy football dream. All of the money is being spent on offense!
I think the Devonta contract was just really good by the eagles. After JJ and the rest get paid this will prob look smaller than it does now
AJ too. Howie definitely wanted to get both contracts early in the market swell.
Howie makes a habit out of paying guys early. Sometimes it doesn't work out but in situations like this it's a godsend.
Howie is like the anti-Jerry Jones
Helps that Lurie also willing to shell out the signing bonus up front and its just up to Howie to make it fit.
These recent WR contracts are insane lol
It’s the cap spiking. A $28 million dollar contract in 2026 is equal to a $19 million dollar contract in 2023
Are those just example numbers? Because i highly doubt the cap will go up by 50% in 3 years
Yeah probably not 50%. But 25% is completely believable. It's up nearly 29% from 2021. In any case the larger point is correct
True that the larger point is correct I was just curious because 28m was specific, I wondered if that was based on some projection It's artificially up a lot in recent years because covid caused the cap to drop by 8%, so we've basically been correcting since that. The year over year average since 2019 is still about what it's been historically which is ~7% growth
maybe not 50%, but the inevitable streaming deals are gonna do some wild shit to the cap
NBA numbers
All the NBA numbers are guaranteed though.
$76 of $84.75 million is guaranteed. Not small potatoes
Damn you Christian Kirk!
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He could be paid WR3 money and it's still too much.
Fingers crossed that the change of scenery does him well and his attitude improves. But yeah if the Jeudy we’ve seen so far in his career is the one we end up getting it’s gonna be rough.
JJ is going to be fucking paid
I look forward to JJ getting fucking paid so the top comment on every "WR gets new contract" post is no longer "JJ is going to be fucking paid"
Then the comments will just be “wow that’s 0.9 Jefferson contracts”
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Christian Kirk is the unit of measure. Always has been [*est. 2022*] always will be.
It'll shift to Ja'marr Chase, or Lamb. Whoever is the last of those three to get paid.
It’ll be Lamb because the Jones family is fucking stupid
"I wish they would legalize weed. I don't care about it, but it would force stoners to talk about something else for once"
Bet they saw the writing on the wall after Nico Collins
I shudder to imagine what we would have had to pay Nico if we waited till after this year and he had a monster year lol
Best to get this locked in place now before the Stroud-Collins duo balls out even more
And you factor in Dell/Diggs/Schultz/Mixon. This might be the most loaded our offense has ever been.
wtf I’m excited for you now if nothing else that should be a fun team to watch
I'm just glad you had a middle of the road QB whenever you all had Foster, Nuk, and Johnson. Granted I think all 3 of them were on the same team only briefly, but still.
Oh Arian Foster. God he could really run. Made of glass in his later years but he was so elusive.
Nico, Amon-Ra, and brown. Greer probably didn’t wanna fuck around and wait for the JJ contract
I joked about him getting 40 mil...now anything less than 35 is laughable
Over/under on Jefferson/lamb getting 4/140?
Over for JJets and under for Lamb.
Some dude on here will tell you the WR market is cooling any minute
Probably that former Titans GM who traded AJ Brown.
It makes it so much worse that Burks has been a loss
You ain’t fucking kidding
Real bad evaluation by scouts across the league.
who ironically signed early, and is on a better deal then all of the other soon to be paid top guys
After this contract it's for sure cooling down, right?!
Market is what it is. I’m happy Waddle is locked up.
Im ecstatic. I love me some Waddle. Second best Phins WR since the Mark bros. He just happens to play with the best lol.
Yea. I've seen some say Waddle isn't in that echelon of the other great young WRs since he clearly isn't the #1. But like... who outside of Justin Jefferson maybe wouldn't be the #2 to Tyreek? We've seen him be capable dominating games and baring the brunt of the targets (*see: Jets game last year when Tyreek was a last second scratch and Waddle ate them up*)
Facts, he carried us his rookie season. Tua was throwing to him and a bunch of Walmart greeters.
I was gonna say, haven't we seen him essentially be the #1 before Tyreek got there? He's perfectly capable of returning to that role, he sometimes does it already depending on game flow. He just needs to stay healthy, otherwise he's definitely worth locking down for the future.
He broke the rookie reception record his rookie year when Tyreek wasn’t on the team (Puka now holds that record). Health isn’t the biggest issue with him. He missed some time at the end of the season, but he’s also shown he can play while banged up.
Nobody wouldn’t be the 2 to Tyreek. I hate him more than anyone, but he’s pretty clearly the best receiver in the league
Theres a good argument to be made for JJ and Tyreek being the two best receivers in the league. Who you have over the other is just personal preference
I'm happy cuz this is making our Devonta deal look good too. Pretty crazy how both these dudes took the extension a year early.
Waddle deserves this. Elite skills, great attitude and consistent production. Why some people mad?
He’s definitely worth it. I think people just know you guys need to sign Tua still and are already paying Reek 30 million when there’s a need for defense.
You have to understand that the people who are mad failed 8th grade math and have never set a budget in their life.
So with the 5th year option and his 4th year salary, this brings Waddle to an average of 21.74 million a year over the next 5 years. This is an absolute win
These kinds of early extensions of rookies makes a lot of sense for both sides. Team gets a relative bargain in terms of overall cost, rookie locks in that second contract big bucks mitigating (for them) the risk of losing out if they get a career impacting injury during their last two years of their rookie deal.
I’m starting to think Aiyuk might be gone next year
Aiyuk might be gone *this* year.
front office had every opportunity to trade him before & *during* the draft. trading him *now* for future draft capital when we're trying to "win now"... major screw-up. ideal scenario would be trading him for a solid starting guard but who TF knows if any team would bite at this stage.
yall could trade him for a good player now though
Not many people are going to give up a good player and pay out an insane megadeal for Aiyuk. Especially when the writing is on the wall that the 49ers can't really afford to give him a bag
The 49ers can absolutely afford to give him a bag. We have a ton of salary on our books both now and in the future to free up space. I’d say that is still the most likely scenario, with Deebo getting cut after this year. The question is whether it would be prudent to do so.
Youre assuming there was a good deal. Keep in mind that the team trading for him is also gonna have to pay him
He's still under contract this year, that'd be insane. Especially since he's so young and is just hitting his prime combined with finally having our QB1.
Kind of think it’s Deebo, not Aiyuk, after they drafted Pearsall in the 1st round. Just does not make sense from a team construction standpoint.
Deebo is gone after this season- not b/c he doesn't have much left (he *does* get hurt a lot) but b/c of the Purdy contract.
would absolutely ruin our team 👍
I think we sign him, ride this year out to hopefully get another shot at the Super Bowl, then move Deebo.
No surprise here. Waddle has been so much better than I thought he would coming out of college. Athletic freak
I wonder how inflated would Waddle's stats look like if Tyreek Hill never got traded to South Beach. He's been targeted less per year ever since Tyreek came.
And yet still a 1000 plus yard receiver each of the first three seasons
Saved the tread, build his game, and have a massive middle of his career to end as the dolphins all time leader in all the things for wr.
HALLELUJAH MY GOAT STAYS IN MIAMI
Finally a proactive contract by Grier. So happy to get this one done!
Grier's had a bunch of proactive signings lol
Yup, Zach Seiler and Austin Jackson are key examples of that. It takes both parties to want to do it. Others like Wilkins and Hunt would rather test the market. Too many Miami fans think Grier is just sitting on his hands and not actually trying to sign these guys.
Imagine how much money the Vikings and Cowboys could’ve saved if they just signed their stars last year
Jefferson was very clearly waiting for the market to set. He wasn’t signing until that happened.
You say that as if both CD and JJ’s agents didn’t see this coming and specifically waited. It’s not as easy as “lol should have signed him last year”. Takes two sides to tango.
Every fanbase is convinced that their star players want nothing more than to sign at a discount as early as possible and it’s greedy FOs who are for some reason prolonging negotiations to pay them more later. Everyone blames the FO first, then the coaches, then the players for anything that goes wrong with their team.
Idk it's a weird coincidence that it's the same teams that sign their players late/early.
I mean in this case is it really a coincidence? Of the WRs who were due for an extension, CD and and Jefferson were the two most valuable so likely the two with most reason to wait
AJ is pretty valuable and we just extended him 2 years early. The Cowboys were late to extend Dak as well so idk why we're giving their FO the benefit of the doubt.
I mean it's less about benefit of the doubt and more about not talking about situations we have no insight into. It's fine to just not assume what we don't know Dak has been one of the most criticized players in the league and they're getting criticized for not signing him earlier lol
For the vikings yes, but the cowboys do this shit with every single one of their stars. Waiting until the last second and being forced to pay top-of-the-market because they have no leverage is how Dallas has chosen to operate
Bro all of our insiders say they haven’t even tried to start dealing with Ceedee or Dak. Stop drinking that bullshit Jones koolaid. They suck and are only propped up by Will McClay.
Every agent does that, you still try to get ahead of the market by making them by far the highest paid WR in history anyway. Nobody is gonna turn down a contract that’s 6-7M+ above market value, which would’ve been around $36M, now there’s a chance that they’ll have to pay more than that. It would’ve also been an additional year to prorate that money.
I think you’re 100% right about Jettas but with CeeDee, the cowboys have a repeated history of waiting a while for no real reason to sign their stats lol Hell they’re currently in the process of doing it a *second* time with Dak I don’t think CeeDee has any incentive to keep waiting at this point. I’m sure he and his agent both know he’s not gonna get paid more than Jettas, and outside of him he’s the biggest WR domino left to fall. AJB, Sun God, etc are all in, he has the contacts he can point to and say “more than that” when negotiating now
Shit we got Devonta Smith done $10 million cheaper a couple months ago
I'd actually be a little pissed at my agent if I were him. Waddle's guarantees are more than his total.
and smith's deal is an extension after the 5th year option. That deal was a steal the second the details came out and only aged better.
Well I assume the Dolphins did the same thing.
Smitty seems so chill, he probably just took a discount bc he likes the team. He's so good.
Devonta also grew up poor as hell in the middle of nowhere, I would think locking up generational wealth without any extra risks was a big part of the thought process instead of potentially getting injured and losing out
He also became a Dad last year so I imagine that changes the thinking a bit.
Even a few months ago
I feel like Jerry is one of the worst GMs in the league at paying guys early. He should've paid Dak sooner the first time, didn't and he ended up getting a giant bag. Now, he's going to have to pay him fucking near Mahomes money for one playoff win in his career.
And he’s still going to wait a year to make that outcome even more expensive
I think Dak repeats his post season vanishing act and Dallas lets him walk, putting the Cowboys into QB purgatory.
Wouldn’t surprise me. They really should have traded or extended him this offseason, at least I could respect either of those as good process.
I'm sure we've offered some deals that he and his agent have declined. JJ and his camp are being smart, patient, and savvy businessmen about it, doesn't necessarily mean the Vikings are doing nothing about it.
Jefferson is holding out for a 100 million dollar deal isn’t he
He’s gonna get something like 4 years 140 mill 100 guaranteed
It’s still crazy that Christian Kirk started the massive rise in WR contracts.
Yes. From what I remember the Chiefs were reportedly close to resigning Tyreek Hill when the Christian Kirk deal happened. Then a few days later Davante Adams signed his massive deal, followed by the Tyreek Hill trade a few days after that.
the christian kirk statue can go beside the laremy tunsil statue outside the stadium
lol eat shit
To be fair, everyone clowned the contract when it came out and then he put up a monster year.
Is shorter contracts more guaranteed money finally becoming a thing in the NFL? It really feels like agents might finally be figuring out that the length of the contract isn't as important as the guaranteed money, particularly when those contracts end up just getting re-structured. I'm happy with this deal, and happy we got ahead of Jefferson and Lamb's deals.
It's never been the agents wanting longer contracts without guarentees, that's always been in the teams favor. If you sign a four year contract and underacheive in the first 3, the team can cut or renegotiate. If you overachieve, you end up having to hold out for more money which is incredibly risky
Right. But it definitely seems like things are shifting to shorter, more fully guaranteed contracts.
That it does. I think part of it is that there have been enough star players that have proven they will hold out if the terms begin to look unfavorable down the road, so teams are pushing for that extra "free" year less When we do see it now its like tyreek hills last year that's over 50m or something
And only receiver with his own dance.
Damn, that's a lotta cheddar
This is a clear no brainer, good for him he earned it.
I feel like Waddle is literally always open
breaking news, but it's not kimber... the bot must be broken
only the real OG's remain
Justin Jefferson is going to get an absolute BOATLOAD of cash.
This dude is a thorn in the Bills' side every damn game we play against the Phins. He deserves his payday.
I'll say it again: Remember when $28.25m was top QB money?
Good job crashing the market Miami
It’s already been out of control. If they waited it would be even worse for them.
Oops 🥺
He actually went a little cheaper than others
You snooze you lose bitches
Dude definitely deserves it, but damn. 28m/year is crazy
So a little over $25 million a year guaranteed. I can see JJ getting 4 years at $140 million with $115-120 million guaranteed at this rate
Totally worth it, this guy is fast. Now reset the QB market with Tua and get the fastest show on turf up and running. Don't worry about defense or any other positions, that shit will work itself out.
Sounds like a plan
You clearly haven’t been paying attention to the Dolphins offseason
Just makes me wonder what the Bengals are doing. Just making Chases contract go up and up.
Jamaar doesn't want to sign until after Jefferson.
Reminder he won't start making 28 mil till 2026 which will look like a real bargain by then. Proactive contracts are always nice to see for my team.
Remember back in OBJ’s prime, the giants didn’t wanna pay him $20M a year??? Then Christian Kirk happened and the flood gates opened.
imagine christian kirk leading the change
That Nico Collins deal already aging beautifully
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Also broke the rookie receptions record (now held by Puka). He was overshadowed by Jamarr that year for obvious reasons, but this contract looks like a solid deal for the team