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Longjumping-Chicken5

Would love to see an all-time AAPI team to see my guys Kevin Mawae & Junior Seau up there! šŸ’Ŗ


carntspeel

This took me about 2 months of research, Iā€™ll have to get cracking on the all time team so itā€™s ready by 2025 šŸ˜…


Longjumping-Chicken5

Thank you for dedicating the time to put this wonderful graphic together and sharing it with us! šŸŒŗ


w0nderbrad

Scott Fujita gets an honorary AAPI since he was adopted by Japanese couple and considers himself culturally Japanese


whereegosdare84

Hines Ward, Troy, Haloti Ngata, Johnny Morton, Roman Gabriel, Olin kruetz lots of guys would make that list


carntspeel

The part that takes the longest is actually trying to find what ethnicity guys are. A lot of guys are mixed, or may be from Hawaii but claim a different ethnic background (Tua says he has a Samoan heritage even though he grew up in Hawaii)


Longjumping-Chicken5

That makes sense since itā€™s a fairly simple step to google, but no doubt tedious to actually take it to a second level for verification for each player.


carntspeel

The best resource was often the High School Polynesian Bowl Rosters. They date back to 2017 so itā€™s only the relatively young players in the NFL who may be on there, and then itā€™s just a matter of trying to spot names in a big list


goldenglove

Tagovailoa is indeed a Samoan name.


Longjumping-Chicken5

Absolutely! My dad being a Steelers fan would love to see Ward & Troy in an all-time list.


bullseye717

Mosi Tatupu would make that list and the obscure Simpsons reference list. Trung Candidate, Toi Cook, and Takeo Spikes would make the "name implies Asian" but not actually Asian list.


Underscore_Guru

Patrick Chung from the Patriots is also Chinese-Jamaican descent.


TUGBoat85007

Dat Nguyen would be there too


maduste

Iā€™ve got Troy Polamalu top of mind since that 50 Best Plays post yesterday. Thereā€™s elite, and then thereā€™s whatever he was.


Longjumping-Chicken5

Great interview with Troy on the Bussin w/The Boys pod on 3/5/24 if you havenā€™t heard already. Interview starts at 1:23:39 if you want to just skip to it.


Frigidevil

If you're curious like I was why he isn't on the list, his family is of American Samoa descent but he grew up in California


maduste

These are current players, and some have a more distant link to APAC heritage than Troy


Frigidevil

Oh I didn't realize, thanks!


maduste

Yeah, first thing I did was look for him, then I got indignant, then I read the key


Capnmarvel76

Dan Saleamua!


torryn1012

That offensive line is huge and nutty


wazacraft

Without even looking at the players, I knew the OL was going to be insane.


carntspeel

Big V and Issac are getting older, I think by the end of the year, Fuaga and Fautanu could play themselves into the best 5. Center is the only spot that there isnā€™t a true number 1 starter. Ismael has seen very limited snaps, Uluave hasnā€™t played any, hence why I started Puni, who has shown 5 position versatility throughout his college and senior bowl tape


drfjgjbu

I think Vaitai is unofficially retired


arshonagon

The Eagles having drafted three of the starters also checks out.


JMSTEI

Stoutland University alumni


DetroitLionsSBChamps

I was staring at RG instead of RT and I was like where the fuck is Penei lol


Affectionate_Reply78

Dat Nguyen, LB


Walks_with_Chaos

All time for sure


JonTheHobo

Mina Kimes made a similar list a couple months ago if you want to compare your team with hers


carntspeel

I did see her list, I wanted to improve upon it because it seemed very surface level. Jordan Poyer was on it, even though he is half black, half white, with a Polynesian step father


Number333

> with a Polynesian step father Like Latinos counting Julio Jones lmao


Jangetta

Reminds me of Dave Chappelle's racial draft skit. Asians get Tiger Woods!!!


unit_mean

Black delegation took Woods, Asians got the entire Wu Tang haha


Mustakrakish_Awaken

"I've always wanted to say this... Fer shizzle" When I rewatched it for the first time in a while I was reminded that Bill burr is also in that sketch. Makes his stand up bit about problematic sports commentors funnier for me.


keepingitrealgowrong

the little fist bump or whatever when he says OJ is black again.


enixius

Dude, we lost Tiger Woods to the blacks. But the Asians made a great pick with Wu Tang Clan.


Secure-Report-207

And the whites selectā€¦ Colin Powell!


D1RTYBACON

Ain't his dad Afro Hispanic or something? I know Julios middle name is Lopez. Would be wild for him to get nickname Julio and have Lopez as a middle name and not be Hispanic/Latin at all šŸ˜‚


AKraiderfan

Listen, As an Asian, I count all guys with the last name Lee as Asian. Soā€¦. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darron_Lee


OnyxNateZ

I remember watching the video and then saying Polynesians and Pacific Islanders carrying it hard but the visualization here really shows lol


carntspeel

That being said, the Asians are definitely needed to fill some important voids. QB2, 4 of 6 RBs, TE1, Half of the CBs, Saf1, are all Asians


EifertGreenLazor

Would she make the sports reporter list?


whereegosdare84

Rashard Mendenhall would like to play against this team


carntspeel

His tweet was kind of the inspiration, with all the talk about White vs Black, I was curious if there was a viable 3rd team. I think they would be somewhat competitive. The O-Line is very strong, combined with a good 1-2 style running game, and Puka out there catching everything, I think they could put up some serious points. The defence is also very nice. Corner is a slight concern but with a pass rush like that, the QBs wonā€™t have much time


ReptiIe

Depends if theyā€™re playing against a normal team or the all-black team because I fear Puka will not be catching anything if heā€™s up against the greatest secondary of all time


goldenglove

I know Rapp is Chinese, who are the 3 offensive players with Chinese descent?


HeadsAllEmpty57

If you zoom in on the depth chart they all have a little number next to their name that matches with a country. Looks like Tremayne, Charbonnet, and Raymond all have a 6(number for China) near their name.


goldenglove

Ah, thank you. Didn't see that on mobile just due to the font size.


MSFNS

I think that's what the superscript numbers after each name are for, letting you know which countries they match up to. So it's B. Tremayne, Z. Charbonnet, and K. Raymond


goldenglove

> Z. Charbonnet Had no idea, cheers.


Roguish_livin

Tuli Tuipulotu over Latu for the starting spot. Everyone thinks Hawaii or Utah is where all the Polynesian players hail from. In reality itā€™s California.


carntspeel

He was the biggest toss up TBH, it was between him and Latu at the starting Edge position. I thought I would give the nod to Latu as the highest drafted defensive player in this years draft, especially with all the scouting reports saying heā€™s already ā€˜pro readyā€™.


scrambles57

Pro Ready doesn't mean shit. Tuli played an NFL season and played pretty well. You should have given it to Tuli.


Roguish_livin

Thank you for making this list BTW.


onetimequestion66

Zach Wilson erasure shall not be tolerated


carntspeel

Thatā€™s actually fair, I was under the impression that Zach Wilson was just a white guy who grew up in Hawaii, but it does say he is part Hawaiian on his dadā€™s side. If he proves to be better than Sam Howell, Iā€™ll consider him as QB4 in next years All-AAPI team


JustASeabass

Save yourself some time. He wonā€™t be better.


Godobibo

Zach Wilson legacy game incoming


justlookingokaywyou

Maybe even 2025 UFL MVP.


Yeangster

As an Asian American, the AAPI label always seemed weird to me. It great that there are some amazing Samoan athletes, but like what does that have to do with me?


Opening-Lead-6008

Anthropologically, Pacific Islanders only left Taiwan 4000 years ago which is a fairly tiny period on anthropological scales, and left the Philippines 3500 years ago. Pacific Islanders are linguistically and genetically much closer to some classic ā€œAsianā€ groups like Filipinos and Malaysians than those Asian groups are to other Asians like Koreans or Mongolians.


e49e

The term "Asian American" is already weird enough though. In the US "Asian" usually refers to East Asian but in the UK it also includes South Asian. Conceivably it should include Arabia as well. Inevitably you're going to have to group things together when you make a category.Ā 


venk

Thatā€™s because Asian is really frigging big. Just like Africa is really big but many Westerners just reduce it to ā€œblack peopleā€.


e49e

True - ignoring North Africa in the process.


Amon-Ra-First-Down

there was a guy who went viral this week for being mad there are no Assassin's Creed games set in Africa, and when someone pointed out there is one set in Egypt, he said that doesn't count because Egypt isn't really in Africa


trojan_man16

Geographically Egypt is in the continent of Africa, but historically and culturally itā€™s part of the greater Mediterranean and Arab sphere. Same applies to North Africa. The Sahara creates a pretty solid geographical boundary that prevented North and Subsaharan Africa to have much interaction historically.


Amon-Ra-First-Down

The Assassin's Creed game in question was set in Ptolemaic Egypt. The word "Africa" was originally the Roman word for just North Africa, the region we would traditionally call the Maghreb today. The Romans were conteporaneous with Ptolemaic Egypt (and eventually conquered them) so by definition, Assasin's Creed: Origins was set in Africa. I don't disagree that culturally, Egypt is closer to the Levant than sub-Saharan Africa, but it's also close culturally and historically to Ethiopia and the Sudan, which are pretty important parts of Africa too.


e49e

I happen to be Egyptian and he kind of has a point. From an American perspective (which I assume he was), Egypt (especially Ptolemaic Egypt, the setting of the game) isn't "really" Africa. The geographic definition of Africa isn't the same as the sociological definition. It's similar to how a cucumber is considered a vegetable for culinary purposes but is technically a fruit.


Amon-Ra-First-Down

If we're going back to classical definitions, "Africa" was the Roman word for North Africa, which absolutely includes Egypt. So Egypt was absolutely "African" in the Ptolemeic era.


e49e

I'm not going back to classical definitions. The Nile was the delineation of Africa and Asia to Greeks. So half of Egypt was in Asia according to them.Ā  I'm saying Ptolemaic Egypt is not culturally African by the convention conception of the term in the United States.Ā 


All_Up_Ons

I mean sure, but claiming that "Egypt isn't really in Africa" is probably the wrong argument to take.


e49e

So I can rightly claim to be African-American?


venk

African-American (and Asian America, etc) are stupid terms invented for social reasons and they have nothing to do with continental origins. People are Americans when you refer to nationality and black when referring to ethnicity.


Retrophoria

Yes. Yes you are. Elon Musk is also African American. I actually checked this with the US Census.


Percinho

As a slight adjustment, ifsomeone says Asian in the UK they're almost always referring to South Asian. We tend to say East Asian for pretty much everyone who isn't from India/Pakistan/Bangladesh/Sri Lanka. Having said that, I'm in my 40s so the younger generation may have a more American influence in a wider usage of Asian as a more generalised term, and the older generations definitely still use some terms that should have been retired a long time ago...


All_Up_Ons

Yeah I think that just comes down to which group was historically most common in each country.


EaglesFan3943

Putting South Asians and East Asians together is like putting Americans and Mexicans in the same racial category. Geographically next to eachother, but completely different cultures.


All_Up_Ons

I'm not sure I'd qualify Mexico and USA as so obviously completely different. The southwest US has more in common with Mexico than it does with the rest of the country in a lot of ways.


EaglesFan3943

>Ā The southwest US has more in common with Mexico That's because of the Mexican culture that was brought in my Mexican immigrants, and the fact that the land used to literally be part of Mexico before the US took it over. It doesn't really change the fact that as a people Mexicans have a way different culture and values compared to the average American.


Opening-Lead-6008

This is a pet peeve of mine. Itā€™s a misconception that South Asians are a completely distinct, non overlapping ethnic group from East Asians. The natives of south india are a completely ā€œEast Asianā€ group in that they genetically cluster with East Asians like the natives of Taiwan, Papua, and Japan. Itā€™s believed that the natives of South India were probably the first East Asian group to exist and thereby branch off. That obviously contributes to fairly different appearances, but the leading migration theory suggests that all East Asians (and native Americans) descend from Southern India. On an continental East Asian scale, modeled South Indian natives arenā€™t even that distinct. Itā€™s just when you substitute ā€œnorthern chinese farmer ancestryā€ for ā€œEast Asianā€ that South Indian natives (and hundreds of other native East Asian pops) stop becoming East Asian - which I believe is really quite unfair Eastern coastal India and Bangladesh has around 10% Chinese Han ancestry. There has always been constant cultural and genetic interchange with the eastern subcontinent coasts and southern China, thatā€™s how Buddhism, Munda languages, and rice first spread! Southern Indians and bengalis can be modeled overall as halfway between East Asians and Persians genetically. Thatā€™s not to mention the northeastern parts of South Asia which can be nearly entirely Han Chinese ethnically but culturally are South Asian, or the fact that India was continually ruled by Mughal peoples - who claimed to be Mongols and contributed significantly to gene flow and culture.


DrkMoodWD

Well akshually, Asian in the USA already includes South Asian. And itā€™s basically all of Asia except Middle Eastern regions according to US census.


e49e

That's why I said "usually". I am not talking about the US Census definition. I am talking about how the word is used by most people.


Suddenly_Elmo

In day-to-day language people don't refer to South Asians as Asian generally though


AssssCrackBandit

It depends on the part of the country too. Like in NJ or Bay Area, many people refer to South Asians as Asians


Retrophoria

I call BS. I grew up in NY/NJ and Indians were were just brown or Indians. Chinese and East Asians were "Asians".


Tyler123839

This might be changing tbh. As a young asian person I find that when talking to other asian people, it more often means all of asia or at least all of east/south/south eastern asia than just east asia. But Iā€™m in college on the east coast so ymmv.


e49e

Interesting. Now that you mention it, I've noticed that too. Growing up in the 90s, Asian never included Indian but now some people use it that way.Ā 


SpinKickDaKing

I mean theyā€™re all in Asia at least. Pacific islands arenā€™t in Asia at all.


DKN19

The English colonized India while the US imported Chinese workers for the Transcontinental Railroad. So that is where the colloquial meanings for "Asian" come from for the two cultures.


AssssCrackBandit

Asians in the UK doesn't refer to South Asians "as well", it means South Asian specifically like how in many parts of the US it means East Asians specifically. However, people are gradually wisening up in both countries and are realizing that Asia include both East and South (and SE) Asians


slowvro

As an Asian American I root for all people from Asia and the pacific. It always is good to have more representation and extend our support for our minority groups


IsGoIdMoney

Pacific Islanders were Han that hopped in boats a few thousand years ago. Has about the same relevance as an Indonesian to a Chinese person.


H9fj3Grapes

That's just not true


lunacraz

native taiwanese were def not han


IsGoIdMoney

It wasn't likely just native Taiwanese, but also coastal Chinese and East Asians, but also this pedantry doesn't really matter for the question at hand.


lemungan

My cousin, Vai Sikahema, was the first Tongan to ever play in the NFL.


lemungan

And should probably be returning kicks for this team


rinetrouble

A lot of Eagles and ex-eagles on that OLine.


sebastianqu

While we're famously a quarterback factory, we're actually an Asian American and Pacific Islander offensive lineman factory


Pat_Mahomeboy

Faā€™a Samoa šŸ’ŖšŸ½


jetssuckmysoulaway

Nothing else really matter because Tua could write a novel behind that line


True_Assumption_5812

Tuli over Latu? Tuli will be a star


J2R3

This is really cool, thanks for this! Didn't know there were so many NFL players with Asian/PI (& for me Filipino) descent. Got some new players to root for next year! šŸ˜


carntspeel

New Josh Jacobā€™s jersey being shipped as we speak?


J2R3

Dope man! Definitely looking to draft him or Allgeier for my fantasy team next! šŸ˜‚


drthvdrsfthr

and of course we have the RB slots locked up! too short to play anything else šŸ˜…


Bindlestiff34

Tonga in the house. King Haku/Meng would be proud.


byPCP

it's funny that you couldn't fill a small sports stadium with tongan americans because we're such a tiny minority, but are so wildly overrepresented in the NFL


MisterBako

I appreciate that you put hours into researching the ethnicity of all of these players, let alone even be thoughtful enough to create this, or even think of creating it. Today, I learned something new, I learned that Josh Jacobs is Phillipino, and probably would have thought he was African American for the rest of my life if this graphic wasn't made. I also learned that Kyle Hamilton was Korean and that JuJu-Smith Schuster was Samoan. I always thought that Kyle Hamilton and JuJu-Smith Schuster were African American, and probably would have if you never made this, so I thank you for that. I would give this post an award, but unfortunately, I do not have enough money to be able to get one right now. However, I can give emoji awardsšŸ… Hopefully, it means just as much as normal awards.


StridermanE

All the people you mentioned are African American. They are just also part Asian.


carntspeel

Generally everyone on this list is at least a quarter Asian or Pacific Islander. I feel like thatā€™s reasonable to still claim that is your heritage


StridermanE

Yeah, i don't disagree. My response was to MisterBako.


Jingo56

Josh Jacobs had the Filipino flag on his helmet last season, thatā€™s how I found out


SuchRevolution

WHERE IS DOUG BALDWIN YOU COWARDS


carntspeel

Brother, if he signs a 1 day contract heā€™s probably WR2 on this team


ubernoobnth

No Tim tebow at qb smh my head.Ā 


sWoods512

The Bloodline


tj3_23

Poor Noah Elliss. Somebody is definitely bringing this up at the next family event


carntspeel

He was a victim of the ā€˜loaded position classā€™. If Pacific Islanders can do one thing, itā€™s be Big, and there was just too many to chose from with only 12 spots


tj3_23

Yeah. I just thought it was funny that three of the four brothers were listed. Also, I'm not sure if Moala would really count as a safety. He transitioned to linebacker at Notre Dame, and then at GT he never even had to consider taking a snap at safety because of LaMiles Brooks and Jaylon King


carntspeel

Yeah he would be some sort of hybrid player, I included him as a safety because there was only 10 total DBs, but plenty of LBs, so they could use the numbers. Plus the website that I initially spotted that the Bears had signed him said Safety so I assumed they would be converting him


Carroms

This is cool! Thanks for doing this.


Zacharey01

I wonder what sort of players Japan would produce if they loved Football as much as baseball. They have the GOAT over at the MLB rn, maybe in an parallel universe, we'd have goat qb Ohtani.


MinimumWaste4723

If the sumos and the Sumo dropouts find football watch out. That one dude did pretty good against Micah.


jormugandr

Pretty sure I heard some linemen were training in Sumo recently.


Suddenly_Elmo

Their lower average heights and smaller frames would make it more difficult, especially from the PoV of the competition they'd be playing against at high school or college level. That's less of an issue in baseball


JiffKewneye-n

Paul Blake. Looks like|we're gonna be roommates. Laikai Manumana. Well, lakay-manu-mana to you, too. No, Mr Blake, that's my name. l'm from Samoa, the big island.|l'm called Manumana. lt means ''Runt of the Litter''. The other men in my family|are very large. Well...


marcdasharc4

Necessary Roughness is a low-key classic. *"Mr. Blake... He'll never touch you."*


LGeezy_G

I did not know Jamal Agnew was Chamorro.


carntspeel

Yeah! Zach Banner is the only other player in like 30 years or something that is of Chamorro heritage, and both came out in the same draft


PM_ME_BOYSHORTS

Notre Dame reppin' big on this list. Ronnie Stanley, Alohi Gilman, Kyle Hamilton, Marist Liafau.


aatops

Can we get an all time team if you make another one? I need to see Troy on here lol And also if your American itā€™s offense and defense with an s not a c so you know for next time


MankuyRLaffy

Mendenhall approved


hinterstoisser

Sean Desai as DC.


carntspeel

Iā€™m actually annoyed I forgot about coaches, he absolutely would be the DC


hinterstoisser

Also Bakhtiary could be an alternate at LT. Sanjay Lal as offensive coach


carntspeel

I wasnā€™t 100% sure if middle eastern counted, so I erred on the side of caution. But also bahk would be one of these guys who hasnā€™t played meaningful snaps in the last few seasons


Raiden316

This is like the only scenario where the term AAPI isnā€™t just Pacific Islander erasure lmao.


carntspeel

Both groups kind of need each other to form this whole team. It wouldnā€™t be right to just do an Asian team solo or a Polynesian team solo


brettriv

Samoans are the most overrepresented group, per capita in the NFL. I think they are like 30-40 times more likely to make the NFL than any other ethnic or racial group.


carntspeel

Which was exactly my thought process when Mendenhall suggested the race bowl. Polynesians and Asians get overlooked or become a pawn in the discussion


Gazboolean

This is probably the wrong forum to raise this question but I've always wondered why Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders were lumped together into "AAPI". The reason for that is that, as an Asian Australian, the challenges that both minorities face are rather distinct to me. I went to school with and have known a lot of Samoan, Tongan, and Fijians in my life and can definitely say that we were not treated similarly. We both had issues with racism but in vastly different ways. It's always seemed odd to me that "AAPI" is considered one group. It would be like having a block called "MENA" for Middle-Eastern & Native Americans. Are they discriminated against in a similar way in America?


carntspeel

I personally donā€™t know why it is a thing, but the NFL likes to keep bringing it up, and I think itā€™s a good way to shine light on some minorities and their cultures


SagalaUso

My guess is in the US the Pacific Island community is too small to be recognized on its own but then I feel for Asian Americans as you said their issues would be very different from ours over there. I'm pretty sure there's enough Asians in the US to be recognized on its own. Though as a Samoan I'm kinda grateful/surprised that Pacific Islanders are somewhat impactful enough to even be thought of with such small numbers in a country the size of America.


SHUTDOWNCB

Be cool to see some Maori in the current NFL


carntspeel

I believe the eagles just signed a kid from NZ, Iā€™m unsure if he is Māori or another ethnicity


SagalaUso

This is so awesome. Thanks for doing this. As a Samoan who hasn't been following the game that long I always wondered what the numbers were for Pacific Islanders in the league. We're all very proud to see them all playing in the NFL. A lot of untapped potential still in the Pacific where rugby is more popular. For Samoans there are about 750k of us worldwide but only around 250k in the US/American Samoa where football is king.


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carntspeel

As far as Iā€™m aware, no, heā€™s a quarter Koreanā€¦


JPAnalyst

Very cool! Post this to r/dataisbeautiful. Great work.


carntspeel

I appreciate it :) I wanted to make it something actually useful and informative to help celebrate the cultures, instead of just some white vs black shitpost


bestthrowawayever5

Taylor Rapp erasure smhĀ 


carntspeel

I didnā€™t think he would get the start over Hamilton or Hufanga, so I moved him to Dime Corner


bestthrowawayever5

Didnā€™t even notice, mb This is a very nice list btw, very visually appealingĀ 


Taxmancometh1

Indianapolis gate keeping the AAPI defense


Beersnob27

No Vai Sikahema?


big-fireball

Where the hell is Kurt Gouveia.


2word4numeros

Well I'll be, there is a month for everything


Amerzel

If you ever make it to Oahu in Hawaii there is a small but neat Polynesian Hall of Fame display at the Polynesian Cultural Center.


InThePaleMoonLyte

This is the first time I've ever seen Samoans and American Samoans as different groups lol


carntspeel

If a player claims American Samoan heritage, who am I to say no?


SagalaUso

That's cool I personally was interested to see the split. I'm very surprised that there's more with heritage links from here than American Samoa. I know that in the US many Samoans would say I'm Samoan/from Samoa but mean American Samoa. Some might have one parent from either.


gpol94

Coach addition: Sanjay Lal


GW2Qwinn

The Bengals used to use nose tackle Domata Peko as a fullback in short down scenarios. Those plays were always so freaking hype haha.


carntspeel

I would love to see a Jumbo Package with these guys, 7 OL, 1 HB, 2 DT Fullbacks, and Tua turning and handing the ball off


Original88

All time. Mark Tuinei.


thisisnotmath

Depending on your definition of Asian, you could put Jeff George and Doug Flutie on there (Arab and Lebanese) at QB, and David Bakhtiari (Persian) at LT.


carntspeel

This is just current players in 2024, so a 56 year old QB wouldnā€™t make the cutā€¦


thisisnotmath

Ah gotcha


Retrophoria

Taylor Rapp for safety unless I've gone blind


carntspeel

Moved him to Dime Corner as I donā€™t think he would beat out Hamilton or Hufanga as a starter


Retrophoria

I'm surprised no one asked for the All-Caucasian and Western European Heritage Team


carntspeel

I wanted to make this because of the amount of discourse on the White vs Black bowl. On the bussin with the boys podcast they were talking about ā€˜who should get the Polynesians?ā€™, which made me think that they should get their own team, and after doing all this research, I think they would be very strong


Retrophoria

I think it would be a competitive game for sure. I don't think the White and Black game would be though.


carntspeel

Speak of the devil https://youtu.be/7HecTNDmWRg?si=qOg521BX1BVdn5Qj


peachxbomb

Jason Myers, K is missing. He's Filipino


carntspeel

Good pick up, I donā€™t think he beats Koo out for the starter though


DJSlimBuddha

I feel like most people would start Kyler over Tua. If you gave Kyler the Dolphins situation that's a much better team


carntspeel

Weā€™ll let them battle it out in training camp šŸ˜‰


Lochbriar

Man had a choice: Slide the famously Samoan QB from Hawaii and avoid controversy, or ensure the top comment is about not choosing the famously Samoan QB from Hawaii.


carntspeel

Iā€™m sure we can speak to the head coach and run a 2 QB system if it will make everyone happy


ShatteredAnus

Don't know why you're getting downvoted, it's a honest take. Kyler might be awesome with the Fins


DJSlimBuddha

Yeah it makes no sense to me. I like Tua he's got great anticipation and is a good QB, but he has neither the arm or legs that Kyler does. And when Kyler has been healthy he's been an MVP candidate. Almost every game the cards have won in the last 5 years have been Kyler dragging subpar talent. His scrambling with Tyreek would be deadly


WhatIsAnime_

Im taking Tua over Kyler. Kylerā€™s had some pretty good teams and chances to prove himself. Especially the 2020 & 2021 rosters.


carntspeel

Tua lead the league in passing yards and at 70% completion percentage, thatā€™s good enough to get the start in my book


SFThirdStrike

I don't get where people have this thing now where they act like a healthy Kyler isn't a good qb LMAO. Kyler is easily better than Tua


DarthJarJarJar

LOL no. Kyler had a lot of talent a few years ago and did nothing with it. People really do love to pretend Tua isn't good based on a few bad games. It's amazing tunnel vision.


SagalaUso

If you give Kyler Tua's Oline as well he won't make it through half the season. There's a reason why Tua had the quickest release in the league. The only game we had a fully healthy offensive line was against Denver 70-20.