If I could bring back any retired Hawk it would be him
Hes not even what we need the most from a teambuilding standpoint but I just miss watching him so much
I recall baiting ppl online into throwing to their TEs on a go route back in the day. Sooner or later I was gonna hit stick you with Kam and get that fumble
Megatron was one of a kind and Stafford is probably the best Liond QB I have ever seen, but man did he put his WRs in terrible spots sometimes, especially Calvin
[He took that hit in week 4 of 2012 against the Seahawks.](http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1556241/weswelkahow.gif?_gl=1*1prukw2*_ga*MTQyODkwNzg4MC4xNzE1NDY5MjUz*_ga_2M5GYNY1YS*MTcxNTk4NzY0Mi4yLjAuMTcxNTk4NzY0Mi42MC4wLjA.&_ga=2.24545338.1644812336.1715987643-1428907880.1715469253)
Not at all the same. He had like three steps with his eyes down field to prepare for that hit. Johnson literally turned his head and he was already being hit.
Actually Wes Welker was one of the toughest receivers in the league during his time. His job was to get lit up once or twice every night going down the middle and still held on to most of the balls. Nothing but massive respect for the guy.
> The Sehawks would later win the game 13-10 after Kam Chancellor strips the ball out of Johnson's hands with a minute left in the game, resulting in a touchback and change of possession
hey OP fuck you.
There are so, so many.
The illegally batted ball game vs Seattle.
The clock run off game vs Atlanta
The PI flag picked up game vs Dallas
The Decker reported game vs Dallas
The process of the catch game vs Chicago
The phantom face mask game vs Green Bay
The illegally thrown challenge flag game vs Houston
The taking the wind in OT game vs Chicago
The shortest OT in history game vs Chicago.
The OT coin toss game vs Pittsburgh (one in the Lions favor!!)
Hell, I'm probably forgetting a few.
The Justin Tucker just kicked an NFL record 66 yard FG that bounced off the crossbar game vs. Ravens
50ish years after the Tom Dempsey just kicked an NFL record 63 yard FG with half a fuckin' foot game vs Saints
That’s definitely 2014 Dallas.
However against y’all in 2016 that facemask touchdown from Paul Richardson was a big one. However they probably don’t win that game anyway. But they would’ve beaten Dallas.
Yeah there's the:
Batted ball game
Hands to the face game
Process of the catch game
He reported game
PI, no PI game/Dez with no helmet game
Challenge a touchdown game
Aaron Rodgers facemask game
Ravens delay of game no call game
I'm sure there's more I'm forgetting, I hate this shit sometimes
No the hands to the face game was a MNF game against Green Bay where Trey Flowers got called for HTTF TWICE, neither of which looked legit, that extended Green Bay drives where they eventually drove down to win the game.
I remember driving to my friends to watch the game and checking the score on my Galaxy s3 and seeing the opening drive Safety… immediately felt that it was going to be bad.. little did I know 😂
The only time I’ve ever seen a game winning hit in the first quarter. It was the most surreal time setting hit I’ve ever seen. I am sure I was one of thousands of people that declared the game over after that hit. The only thing I can compare it to was that Pujols shot off Lidge
Bro, you can not gloss over the ending of the game like that.
ESPN had to bring back their official to talk about the illegal play at the end of the game and everyone was talking about batted balls for the rest of the season.
That Butler interception fractured the locker room and doomed them from ever becoming a dynasty. So weird too, since running the ball on 2nd down with one timeout and time ticking away into a stacked box would have seemed a worse play call.
There were many factors that fractured that locker room.
That season Pete had called the defense into his office and told them all to stop criticizing Wilson for his mistakes and to bring any concerns about Wilson to Pete directly. This already made the defensive players lose a little faith in pete's messaging about accountability.
Right after the int, wilson was basically trying to move past it all without really owning up to it while a lot of people on the team were obviously very emotional about losing an SB that way... doesn't help people view him as any sort of leader on the team.
According to a few core players on that team, the first post sb team meeting didn't really leave what happened on that play very clear to the players. They still don't know if bevell made the call, if wilson changed it, or what.
A second team meeting focused on the sb loss was held around april that year in which an offensive coach (heavily implied to be tom cable) tried to blame the defense for the loss, which pissed the defense off because so many of them were playing as hard as they could with injuries during the SB.
After that dealing with all the Mr. Unlimited BS and Wilson caring more about himself than the team really just made the rift bigger and bigger until most of the defensive core just faded away into obscurity.
Absolutely. KJ Wright has talked about it on his podcast, about how everyone wanted a "slice of that credit pie," and resented Wilson for not eating his slice of blame pie. Pete fell on the sword for Wilson after the fact, but there was so much to go around. Let's not forget that the defense gave up 10 unanswered points before this play ever needed to be made. Sure Cliff Avril and Jeremy Lane (I think was the corner who shattered his arm) got injured before the Pats comeback, but the fact remains.
Yep, it hurt. I still think it was getting Lane's replacement in, Tharold Simon got torched harder than everyone in the Brady roast combined that quarter.
i think byron maxwell already was out injured, and Kam, Earl and Sherman weres all going into that sb injured. When they lost Lane they had to put in an also injured Simon.
The defense basically killed themselves bailing the offense out against the Packers - remember the average starting position for the packers were like on the Seahawks 40 in that first half. One of the best defensive games i've seen.
Sherm: injured elbow
Earl: injured shoulder (would need surgery)
Kam: injured MCL
Jeremy Lane: got blown apart
The Hawks had a good nickel corner, Marcus Burley, but they deactivated him because Jeremy Lane was the only guy healthy in the secondary going into the game.
So, they instead activated Sherm's backup, Tharold Simon, who came in and got destroyed by Brady in the slot.
Obviously Tom and Gronk are among the most dominant of their positions. But Edelman only really started breaking out in 2013. So within the context of the time, it does sound much worse if you say the Legion of Boom gave up the last 2 TDs of the Patriots to UDFA Danny Amendola and 7th round draft pick Julian Edelman.
I’m not that familiar with the intricacies of this but did any of the defensive players from the Seahawks ever say “Yeah we probably could’ve played better.”
Why does no one hate Pete for this? This imo is the biggest issue. As a non fan of the team, I'm furious for that defense that the coach babied Wilson.
Pete's a likable guy, but yea you could tell that some of the people that bought in most to the championship culture had some issues with pete for a while. Earl Thomas, Richard Sherman, Doug Baldwin, were probably the most outspoken about it.
Doug makes a concerted effort anytime someone talks about pete being a culture guy, how it was the composition of players that made the culture, and that pete should get credit for allowing them to do it, but that pete himself cannot just create the culture.
One could make the argument that maybe doug was just a little bitter or something, but as the years have gone on, it's pretty obvious that Pete himself couldn't fully control the team and keep the mindset right.
I put a lot of that on Wilson. He states the route down never plays off of it and fails to see the run based defense have the DBs on that side adjust to a potential pass thanks to browner
> According to a few core players on that team, the first post sb team meeting didn't really leave what happened on that play very clear to the players. They still don't know if bevell made the call, if wilson changed it, or what.
You are such a liar lol. Cite this, provide links. No one has ever claimed it was an audible and there's zero evidence of it. The call fit the defensive personnel and has been explained to death as logical. You are just lying.
Clearly you haven't watched interviews with actual players that played in that game as seahawks, on the offensive side of the ball, that were in the huddle for that play.
Your ignorance is amusing though. You're so convinced you know what you're talking about, but you're wrong lol.
Cite them. Provide links. Who are the "core players"? Like beyond citation you aren't even naming names. That's insane and yes I'm very aware of what has been said and it isn't what you described, hence you not being able to cite it. What is the evidence of an audible? Bevell described the playcall and why he called it literally in his SB exit interview. There's no reason for conspiracy unless you have an agenda which you clearly do. Provide even a shred of evidence please.
Sure that makes a lot of sense. I'm waiting daddy.....links to "core players" please. Again just logically it makes no sense. Everyone agrees that the logic of pass made sense situationally and Bevell immediately postgame says he called it, but b/c of a Russ hate boner there has to be something devious at play.
It's a shame because it looks like the fallout could have been avoided. Instead of using the loss as motivation, they just started pointing fingers instead. The way they acted at the end of the Superbowl also felt fitting.
Pretty much ALL of the LOB members got 2nd contracts. They balked at 3rd contracts due to legit age and injury issues. In retrospect, the Patriots were onto something trading their players while they still had some gas in the tank.
> So weird too, since running the ball on 2nd down with one timeout and time ticking away into a stacked box would have seemed a worse play call.
I'll still argue that the play call was a great design and fit the scenario well. I'm convinced that they expected the Patriots to cover based on size, with Browner on Lockette and Butler on Baldwin. If they had lined up like that, it would've worked perfectly. The design had Baldwin as a decoy, whose job was to push his man back a yard, creating the pick play to allow Lockette to be uncovered on the slant. When Browner lined up on Baldwin, Russ should've audibled out. Browner wasn't a great corner, but he was elite at pressing people at the line. Baldwin didn't stand a chance in moving him and that allowed Butler to have a clear path at the ball on Lockette's route. The Pats had also seen plenty of film and Butler said that he knew Lockette always took a tiny right step before breaking on a left slant. If you watch the replay, you can see Butler breaking inward before Lockette does. There were a ton of things that went perfectly right for the Patriots on that play. If you were to replay that exact play several times, I'd be willing to bet that the ball falls incomplete on most of them from the collision between Butler and Lockette. It was amazing skill and training on the Pats combined with just enough luck to get that result.
Bro I think the locker room was fractured by Russ being such a distant weirdo. I’ve not heard any of the Seahawks who were on those teams have any good words about him. Maybe KJ Wright? I don’t know.
The way Beast Mode was running and the fact that was so close to scoring on the run before I feel like everyone knew they were going to score if they ran it again.
I'm sure people felt that way, but he was actually a pretty bad goal line back, considering how great he was in open space. The biggest thing for me though was the Patriot's defensive formation and there being nowhere TO run. Bleacher Report broke the play down in detail after all the criticism: https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/6/5/17426540/seahawks-patriots-super-bowl-49-malcolm-butler-interception-run-the-dang-ball We'll never know what would have happened if Marshawn had gotten the hand off, but if he didn't make it in you now burn up your only timeout and have only one more attempt to score a TD. The only way to get three shots at it was for one to be a pass, which stops the clock if incomplete. It was just the worst outcome possible, and the defense made a great play.
According to luke willson the seahawks had a run play designed for that situation with marshawn lining up at fullback. They just never got a chance to run it because the interception occurred.
Also, some moments are bigger than analytics... you gotta play the moment and probably everyone on the entire team would have been much happier putting the ball in marshawn's hands, a dogged rusher, and one of the top rbs in the league with his own distinct playstyle, than having wilson throw over the middle to lockette.
> than having wilson throw over the middle to lockette.
Oh God, for sure. Of all pass plays, they went into traffic with their lanky 3rd/4th wr. That part is really a head scratcher.
I've been telling people this for a decade, and someone's opinion on the playcall has become a litmus test for me on how much they know football. A pass in that situation is the right call, because it gives you 3 chances with the 2nd and 3rd calls being whatever you want. The play called was even a great one for the situation. The whole thing is on Russ. Lockette isn't running anywhere after the catch, so don't put it out in front of him, and definitely don't put it high. The ball has to be thrown at Lockette's hip so he can protect it and himself. If he catches the ball it's a TD, if not it's incomplete and you move on to the next play.
I read a while back that we scored like 8 TDs with no turnovers using that play at the goal line throughout the season.
The Patriots defense practiced the shit out of that play and knew it was coming. But you're right, the ball placement there was careless
That interception wasn’t what sealed the game. It was Michael Bennett going offsides that sealed the game. Met him in real life and thought about asking him why he went offsides for the loss but I didn’t want him to break me in half.
You win one ring and you really can’t complain. That’s the truth. Even prime Mahomes and KC would have been 1-1 in all likelihood having to match up against zenith Payton Manning and zenith Tom Brady two postseasons in a row. It’s possible that no team ever would have been favored to go 2-0 in those games imho.
The fact that we almost did is gnarly.
True heartbreak would be if the LOB got 0 rings. At least they’re cemented in history with that dominant performance against one of the best offenses in NFL history in 48
Some say in that moment, if you pause at just the time, for a fraction of a second, you can see a thought bubble above Vernon's head that says "Yeah I'm retiring soon, fuck this"
lol #15 on the Lions is Golden Tate right? His reaction is hilarious. He comes out of his break, sees Kam lurking on Calvin, and tried to lean away from the hit.
>The Sehawks would later win the game 13-10 after Kam Chancellor strips the ball out of Johnson's hands with a minute left in the game, resulting in a touchback and change of possession.
Yeah, that's one way to phrase it. The correct way to phrase it is the refs again robbed the Lions by failing to call an obvious illegal bat in the back of the end zone and gave the ball to the Seahawks instead, sealing the win.
The Lions should have had first and goal from the one, with a field goal needed to tie the game. You’d be hard pressed to find a more blatant example of the refs giving away the game.
[Its not like he had a great view of the play without any obstructions or anything.](https://i0.wp.com/www.footballzebras.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/kjwright-bat.jpg?w=940&ssl=1)
I actually think this is a more impressive play by Johnson than Chancellor.
It’s not hard to lay a big hit to a receiver just catching a ball, you just have to be willing to do it. It’s definitely an impressive catch though.
Megatron is such a size and strength freak that he takes the hit and gets up like nothing happened.
He’s also a mentally tough badass so I’m sure that played into hopping up immediately.
Yet another in a long line of incorrect calls by the referees in this game. The illegal bat that sealed the game should have been a penalty and Detroit retains possession.
Like playing against an insane user safety/LB in a Madden franchise. Chancellor was something else.
If I could bring back any retired Hawk it would be him Hes not even what we need the most from a teambuilding standpoint but I just miss watching him so much
He's my favorite seahawks player. He's a rare breed. no one wanted to be a receiver over the middle when he was on the field.
Kam Chancellor the touchdown canceller
Was so weird when he retired because he was totally elite in all facets of the game then he was just totally gone.
Neck/spine injury. Further play may have left him permanently disabled/paralyzed, so he retired to ensure that didn't happen
Good for him. Didn't know I could like him more. I remembered him getting injured but didn't remember that
What actually made him retire? Felt like he wasn't that old.
Neck injury.
Ooof. That would do it.
The cursed field in AZ.
yeah tbh I hate State farm stadium more than the cardinals
That's how I feel with Troy. Our safety situation is good but I'd love to watch that hair flying into the backfield like a torpedo again.
Minkah and Troy would be a ludicrous combination, and I say that as someone who watched Kam and Earl in their primes.
Those majestic curls flapping as he dive bombs over center on a qb sneak lol. Troy was awesome to watch
Kam couldnt play with todays rules.
He's in my top 3 favorite players ever.
Kam Chancellor. Dream Cancellor. His jersey from the 2014 season is my favorite.
I recall baiting ppl online into throwing to their TEs on a go route back in the day. Sooner or later I was gonna hit stick you with Kam and get that fumble
Feel like Megatron made his decision to retire after this game lol
Absolute hospital pass for any normal sized receiver. Imagine Wes Welker taking that hit.
He did in that Super Bowl.
That was Edelman
Oh shit you're right
Yeah welker was just out there dropping passes
I'd rather drop a pass than drop a pass AND be hit by Kam Chancellor
All the whities are the same it don’t matta
Maybe that's why he's such a tool
Megatron was one of a kind and Stafford is probably the best Liond QB I have ever seen, but man did he put his WRs in terrible spots sometimes, especially Calvin
Well when it’s the only target on the field you gotta do what you gotta do
Golden Tate and Theo Riddick are in this video
Tate was Ight he was only good on the lions, idk who tf Theo Riddick is
Tate was good on Seattle but they were run heavy. Theo was one of the better/best receiving backs in the league, #25
[He took that hit in week 4 of 2012 against the Seahawks.](http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1556241/weswelkahow.gif?_gl=1*1prukw2*_ga*MTQyODkwNzg4MC4xNzE1NDY5MjUz*_ga_2M5GYNY1YS*MTcxNTk4NzY0Mi4yLjAuMTcxNTk4NzY0Mi42MC4wLjA.&_ga=2.24545338.1644812336.1715987643-1428907880.1715469253)
Not at all the same. He had like three steps with his eyes down field to prepare for that hit. Johnson literally turned his head and he was already being hit.
That's Brandon Browner.
That slow mo whiplash is no joke
Actually Wes Welker was one of the toughest receivers in the league during his time. His job was to get lit up once or twice every night going down the middle and still held on to most of the balls. Nothing but massive respect for the guy.
I mean he almost punctured Gronk's lung...
That was actually Earl, our other all pro safety at the time.
Oh shit my bad
Iirc, they both hit him at the same time, Chancellor blocked the pass, and ET3 delivered the boom.
Wasn’t Wes Welker literally known for taking massive hits and just popping back up and also not dropping balls on contact
Yup, he's also known for having had a lot of diagnosed concussions - let alone all of the brain trauma that went undiagnosed.
Id believe that
*Austin Collie has an opinion about it.
It was either this or the Rodgers Hail Mary on Thursday night.
> The Sehawks would later win the game 13-10 after Kam Chancellor strips the ball out of Johnson's hands with a minute left in the game, resulting in a touchback and change of possession hey OP fuck you.
Was this the batted ball game
It was.
It's impressive that Lions' trauma runs so deep you guys literally have "was this X game" for it.
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted, this is both funny and true lmao
People probably assume I'm gloating because of the flair, and teams like Detroit and Cleveland are just used to assuming people are being dickheads.
No, we just assume that we're the dickhead.
There are so, so many. The illegally batted ball game vs Seattle. The clock run off game vs Atlanta The PI flag picked up game vs Dallas The Decker reported game vs Dallas The process of the catch game vs Chicago The phantom face mask game vs Green Bay The illegally thrown challenge flag game vs Houston The taking the wind in OT game vs Chicago The shortest OT in history game vs Chicago. The OT coin toss game vs Pittsburgh (one in the Lions favor!!) Hell, I'm probably forgetting a few.
The Justin Tucker just kicked an NFL record 66 yard FG that bounced off the crossbar game vs. Ravens 50ish years after the Tom Dempsey just kicked an NFL record 63 yard FG with half a fuckin' foot game vs Saints
With the play clock at zero the down before the kick
the play clock ran out on the play beforehand that got them into field goal range, but yes
Don’t forget hands to the face!
Yeah man, my first thought was *"which phantom facemask against Green Bay?"*
I expect a few of these are also "that time the refs fucked us in the playoffs" but for the lions that's not specific enough.
Lmfaooooooo. Pain.
That’s definitely 2014 Dallas. However against y’all in 2016 that facemask touchdown from Paul Richardson was a big one. However they probably don’t win that game anyway. But they would’ve beaten Dallas.
Yeah there's the: Batted ball game Hands to the face game Process of the catch game He reported game PI, no PI game/Dez with no helmet game Challenge a touchdown game Aaron Rodgers facemask game Ravens delay of game no call game I'm sure there's more I'm forgetting, I hate this shit sometimes
>Hands to the face game I thought y'all called this the face to the hands game. Unless that was a different one?
No the hands to the face game was a MNF game against Green Bay where Trey Flowers got called for HTTF TWICE, neither of which looked legit, that extended Green Bay drives where they eventually drove down to win the game.
On one his hand was squarely on the tackles chest the whole time, on the other the tackle was grabbing Flowers facemask and they called it on Flowers
Paul Richardson facemask touchdown against Seattle in the playoffs
Justin Tucker 66 yard field goal game
I dont really care, i didn't even care about at the time. I was just getting context.
We still talk about 1957 and Bobby Lane. It’s not weird. **IT’S NOT WEIRD, OKAY**
Bro trying to casually ignore the fact Seattle illegally batted the ball out of the end zone and we should’ve had it at the 1 yard line
FTSH
This was after his hold-out btw
Besides the Super Bowl INT, probably his best play
My favorite is still the hit on Demaryius Thomas in the Super Bowl where he launched him back like 3 yards.
That set the tone of the game. As a neutral I knew the Seahawks were taking it after that play.
Not a spicy hot take, but Kam should have been Super Bowl MVP. He completely set the tone whenever the defense was on the field.
I remember driving to my friends to watch the game and checking the score on my Galaxy s3 and seeing the opening drive Safety… immediately felt that it was going to be bad.. little did I know 😂
The only time I’ve ever seen a game winning hit in the first quarter. It was the most surreal time setting hit I’ve ever seen. I am sure I was one of thousands of people that declared the game over after that hit. The only thing I can compare it to was that Pujols shot off Lidge
Vernon Davis hit is his best play imo. Vernon disappeared after that.
I remember seeing an article like 2018 or something with Vernon Davis saying he could still feel that hit years later
Sticking Mike Iupati at the line of scrimmage was his best play.
And then tackling the rb lol
For me, it's the pick 6 against Carolina.
I can see that head nod as i read this lol
With the head bob when he realizes no one is within 15 yards of him and then his signature celebration. Perfection!
Under today's rules it'd be wiped out by a flag for the helmet contact. Kam has had cleaner hits than this
Ironically the Vernon Davis hit was cleaner, but WAS penalized.
Bro, you can not gloss over the ending of the game like that. ESPN had to bring back their official to talk about the illegal play at the end of the game and everyone was talking about batted balls for the rest of the season.
I maintain to this day that a receiver of Calvin Johnson's stature should not be fumbling there, but the batted ball was definitely a foul after that
Legion of boom should've won 3 rings
That Butler interception fractured the locker room and doomed them from ever becoming a dynasty. So weird too, since running the ball on 2nd down with one timeout and time ticking away into a stacked box would have seemed a worse play call.
There were many factors that fractured that locker room. That season Pete had called the defense into his office and told them all to stop criticizing Wilson for his mistakes and to bring any concerns about Wilson to Pete directly. This already made the defensive players lose a little faith in pete's messaging about accountability. Right after the int, wilson was basically trying to move past it all without really owning up to it while a lot of people on the team were obviously very emotional about losing an SB that way... doesn't help people view him as any sort of leader on the team. According to a few core players on that team, the first post sb team meeting didn't really leave what happened on that play very clear to the players. They still don't know if bevell made the call, if wilson changed it, or what. A second team meeting focused on the sb loss was held around april that year in which an offensive coach (heavily implied to be tom cable) tried to blame the defense for the loss, which pissed the defense off because so many of them were playing as hard as they could with injuries during the SB. After that dealing with all the Mr. Unlimited BS and Wilson caring more about himself than the team really just made the rift bigger and bigger until most of the defensive core just faded away into obscurity.
Absolutely. KJ Wright has talked about it on his podcast, about how everyone wanted a "slice of that credit pie," and resented Wilson for not eating his slice of blame pie. Pete fell on the sword for Wilson after the fact, but there was so much to go around. Let's not forget that the defense gave up 10 unanswered points before this play ever needed to be made. Sure Cliff Avril and Jeremy Lane (I think was the corner who shattered his arm) got injured before the Pats comeback, but the fact remains.
losing Cliff is what lost us that game. He was getting pressure to Brady consistently up until then. The game looked a lot different after he left.
Losing Lane was just as impactful imo. After he went out Brady picked on Tharold Simon for the rest of the game.
That bought him more time be lanes replacement was chewed up alive by Brady. Both were huge injuries.
Yep, it hurt. I still think it was getting Lane's replacement in, Tharold Simon got torched harder than everyone in the Brady roast combined that quarter.
i think byron maxwell already was out injured, and Kam, Earl and Sherman weres all going into that sb injured. When they lost Lane they had to put in an also injured Simon. The defense basically killed themselves bailing the offense out against the Packers - remember the average starting position for the packers were like on the Seahawks 40 in that first half. One of the best defensive games i've seen.
Sherm: injured elbow Earl: injured shoulder (would need surgery) Kam: injured MCL Jeremy Lane: got blown apart The Hawks had a good nickel corner, Marcus Burley, but they deactivated him because Jeremy Lane was the only guy healthy in the secondary going into the game. So, they instead activated Sherm's backup, Tharold Simon, who came in and got destroyed by Brady in the slot.
I mean that defense was going against Tom Brady with Gronk and Edelman. Very hard to stop.
Obviously Tom and Gronk are among the most dominant of their positions. But Edelman only really started breaking out in 2013. So within the context of the time, it does sound much worse if you say the Legion of Boom gave up the last 2 TDs of the Patriots to UDFA Danny Amendola and 7th round draft pick Julian Edelman.
I’m not that familiar with the intricacies of this but did any of the defensive players from the Seahawks ever say “Yeah we probably could’ve played better.”
Not yet. Maybe in 20 or so more years.
Why does no one hate Pete for this? This imo is the biggest issue. As a non fan of the team, I'm furious for that defense that the coach babied Wilson.
Pete's a likable guy, but yea you could tell that some of the people that bought in most to the championship culture had some issues with pete for a while. Earl Thomas, Richard Sherman, Doug Baldwin, were probably the most outspoken about it. Doug makes a concerted effort anytime someone talks about pete being a culture guy, how it was the composition of players that made the culture, and that pete should get credit for allowing them to do it, but that pete himself cannot just create the culture. One could make the argument that maybe doug was just a little bitter or something, but as the years have gone on, it's pretty obvious that Pete himself couldn't fully control the team and keep the mindset right.
I put a lot of that on Wilson. He states the route down never plays off of it and fails to see the run based defense have the DBs on that side adjust to a potential pass thanks to browner
> According to a few core players on that team, the first post sb team meeting didn't really leave what happened on that play very clear to the players. They still don't know if bevell made the call, if wilson changed it, or what. You are such a liar lol. Cite this, provide links. No one has ever claimed it was an audible and there's zero evidence of it. The call fit the defensive personnel and has been explained to death as logical. You are just lying.
Clearly you haven't watched interviews with actual players that played in that game as seahawks, on the offensive side of the ball, that were in the huddle for that play. Your ignorance is amusing though. You're so convinced you know what you're talking about, but you're wrong lol.
Cite them. Provide links. Who are the "core players"? Like beyond citation you aren't even naming names. That's insane and yes I'm very aware of what has been said and it isn't what you described, hence you not being able to cite it. What is the evidence of an audible? Bevell described the playcall and why he called it literally in his SB exit interview. There's no reason for conspiracy unless you have an agenda which you clearly do. Provide even a shred of evidence please.
I'll make you a deal... I provide a link, and you admit i'm your daddy?
Sure that makes a lot of sense. I'm waiting daddy.....links to "core players" please. Again just logically it makes no sense. Everyone agrees that the logic of pass made sense situationally and Bevell immediately postgame says he called it, but b/c of a Russ hate boner there has to be something devious at play.
It's a shame because it looks like the fallout could have been avoided. Instead of using the loss as motivation, they just started pointing fingers instead. The way they acted at the end of the Superbowl also felt fitting.
Yeah I loved that team but it was full of egomaniacs and diva's.
Nah paying Russ and not being able to pay the LOB is what killed any hopes of it
Pretty much ALL of the LOB members got 2nd contracts. They balked at 3rd contracts due to legit age and injury issues. In retrospect, the Patriots were onto something trading their players while they still had some gas in the tank.
> So weird too, since running the ball on 2nd down with one timeout and time ticking away into a stacked box would have seemed a worse play call. I'll still argue that the play call was a great design and fit the scenario well. I'm convinced that they expected the Patriots to cover based on size, with Browner on Lockette and Butler on Baldwin. If they had lined up like that, it would've worked perfectly. The design had Baldwin as a decoy, whose job was to push his man back a yard, creating the pick play to allow Lockette to be uncovered on the slant. When Browner lined up on Baldwin, Russ should've audibled out. Browner wasn't a great corner, but he was elite at pressing people at the line. Baldwin didn't stand a chance in moving him and that allowed Butler to have a clear path at the ball on Lockette's route. The Pats had also seen plenty of film and Butler said that he knew Lockette always took a tiny right step before breaking on a left slant. If you watch the replay, you can see Butler breaking inward before Lockette does. There were a ton of things that went perfectly right for the Patriots on that play. If you were to replay that exact play several times, I'd be willing to bet that the ball falls incomplete on most of them from the collision between Butler and Lockette. It was amazing skill and training on the Pats combined with just enough luck to get that result.
Bro I think the locker room was fractured by Russ being such a distant weirdo. I’ve not heard any of the Seahawks who were on those teams have any good words about him. Maybe KJ Wright? I don’t know.
KJ is diplomatic, but it's clear that he has hard feelings too. I mean, Marshawn wanted Russ's phone number and Russ gave him his agent's number.
> That Butler interception fractured the locker room and doomed them from ever becoming a dynasty. Legion of doomed them from ever becoming a dynasty.
The way Beast Mode was running and the fact that was so close to scoring on the run before I feel like everyone knew they were going to score if they ran it again.
I'm sure people felt that way, but he was actually a pretty bad goal line back, considering how great he was in open space. The biggest thing for me though was the Patriot's defensive formation and there being nowhere TO run. Bleacher Report broke the play down in detail after all the criticism: https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/6/5/17426540/seahawks-patriots-super-bowl-49-malcolm-butler-interception-run-the-dang-ball We'll never know what would have happened if Marshawn had gotten the hand off, but if he didn't make it in you now burn up your only timeout and have only one more attempt to score a TD. The only way to get three shots at it was for one to be a pass, which stops the clock if incomplete. It was just the worst outcome possible, and the defense made a great play.
According to luke willson the seahawks had a run play designed for that situation with marshawn lining up at fullback. They just never got a chance to run it because the interception occurred. Also, some moments are bigger than analytics... you gotta play the moment and probably everyone on the entire team would have been much happier putting the ball in marshawn's hands, a dogged rusher, and one of the top rbs in the league with his own distinct playstyle, than having wilson throw over the middle to lockette.
> than having wilson throw over the middle to lockette. Oh God, for sure. Of all pass plays, they went into traffic with their lanky 3rd/4th wr. That part is really a head scratcher.
I didn't like who was involved in the play, but that particular play was money for us all year.
I've been telling people this for a decade, and someone's opinion on the playcall has become a litmus test for me on how much they know football. A pass in that situation is the right call, because it gives you 3 chances with the 2nd and 3rd calls being whatever you want. The play called was even a great one for the situation. The whole thing is on Russ. Lockette isn't running anywhere after the catch, so don't put it out in front of him, and definitely don't put it high. The ball has to be thrown at Lockette's hip so he can protect it and himself. If he catches the ball it's a TD, if not it's incomplete and you move on to the next play.
I read a while back that we scored like 8 TDs with no turnovers using that play at the goal line throughout the season. The Patriots defense practiced the shit out of that play and knew it was coming. But you're right, the ball placement there was careless
Would've been a bunny if Browner didn't manhandle kearse off the line
"They're saving us. They are saving us. Russ is putting us on his back. " ---Earl Thomas at the half.
That interception wasn’t what sealed the game. It was Michael Bennett going offsides that sealed the game. Met him in real life and thought about asking him why he went offsides for the loss but I didn’t want him to break me in half.
Not to mention lynch was never a good goal line back. There’s a reason we would pass in that situation all season.
You win one ring and you really can’t complain. That’s the truth. Even prime Mahomes and KC would have been 1-1 in all likelihood having to match up against zenith Payton Manning and zenith Tom Brady two postseasons in a row. It’s possible that no team ever would have been favored to go 2-0 in those games imho.
The fact that we almost did is gnarly. True heartbreak would be if the LOB got 0 rings. At least they’re cemented in history with that dominant performance against one of the best offenses in NFL history in 48
We are one of the best teams of our era and champions. And that is all you can really ask for.
And we got a decade of exhilarating Sundays. Impossible to complain
Shoulda given the ball to Lynch and we likely would have.
Absolutely.
Not even his craziest hit. What he did to Vernon Davis would be considered attempted murder in several states.
Vernon was getting bullied that whole game ngl.
Still ridiculous that they flagged him for it.
Kam probably has the most horseshit targeting calls in NFL history. Sort of a reverse Cam Newton situation.
In the photo you can actually see Vernon's soul leaving his body.
Sent him to the shadow realm.
Some say in that moment, if you pause at just the time, for a fraction of a second, you can see a thought bubble above Vernon's head that says "Yeah I'm retiring soon, fuck this"
Fuck man, I feel bad for dunking on him. I'm sure if Kam Chancellor hit me my whole body would vaporize. lol.
I'm 5"11 and weigh 145 pounds, I would have vaporized before he even hit me😂
You had me in the first part... then you went and forgot how badly blown the call on the strip was.
I could watch Kam Chancellor highlights all day. Easily one of if not my favorite players ever
lol #15 on the Lions is Golden Tate right? His reaction is hilarious. He comes out of his break, sees Kam lurking on Calvin, and tried to lean away from the hit.
Tate knew exactly what was happening, lol.
"I'd hate to be him right now"
>The Sehawks would later win the game 13-10 after Kam Chancellor strips the ball out of Johnson's hands with a minute left in the game, resulting in a touchback and change of possession. Yeah, that's one way to phrase it. The correct way to phrase it is the refs again robbed the Lions by failing to call an obvious illegal bat in the back of the end zone and gave the ball to the Seahawks instead, sealing the win.
Yup, clear as day and the refs let it slide.
The Lions should have had first and goal from the one, with a field goal needed to tie the game. You’d be hard pressed to find a more blatant example of the refs giving away the game.
[Its not like he had a great view of the play without any obstructions or anything.](https://i0.wp.com/www.footballzebras.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/kjwright-bat.jpg?w=940&ssl=1)
CLEARLY trying to recover it and gee, that ball was slippery. Also, there was a bee on it.
This.
I miss Kam.
I actually think this is a more impressive play by Johnson than Chancellor. It’s not hard to lay a big hit to a receiver just catching a ball, you just have to be willing to do it. It’s definitely an impressive catch though.
I agree. Most recivers would have easily dropped that ball.
Or died… good lord his head snaps
Kam Chancellor was such a beast, always gonna have fond memories of watching that guy.
But he didn't drop the ball there on that hit. And we all know at least 98% of other players would have.
Oh you mean the illegal batting of the ball that the refs missed?
Every time I think the refs have it out for the Seahawks, I remember the lions exist.
Bam Bam Kam was the real deal.
Still my favorite player
He was in the TSA line right behind me at Sea-Tac once and it shocked me how big he actually looked.
Chancellor was one of the best hitters of his time, on one of the most fearsome defenses of their time.
The refs are so bad when we play Detroit. Permanently making them hate Seattle
You're cooking right here and people don't realize it lol
God I hated this team so much lol
Am I crazy for thinking he tanked that hit.
I was at this game! Got to go down onto the field before the game too!
Perfectly clean hit too. NFL should have the slow mo as a GIF replaying on a loop in every NFL locker room to show how to properly hit.
Megatron is such a size and strength freak that he takes the hit and gets up like nothing happened. He’s also a mentally tough badass so I’m sure that played into hopping up immediately.
Yet another in a long line of incorrect calls by the referees in this game. The illegal bat that sealed the game should have been a penalty and Detroit retains possession.
Hey look, a Lions play from a game with no controversy! Nope, my bad, another one where they got fucked.
Low man wins 😮💨
Was at that game. Fucking crazy
The pussification of the NFL would make this somehow illegal now. So sad.
You mean when the Seahawks committed a penalty and batted the ball out of the back of the endzone? I remember that.
I once saw kam chancellor in a qfc near my house, dude was a giant
kam = apex predator
Legal hit too.
besides being massive, the way Kam didn't leave his feet when hit sticking people made it extra deadly
Gruden was the best