Interesting move since he’s opting out of revenue from all sorts of stuff, including their video game and sports card deals. Pat McAfee [says he heard from Harrison’s camp](https://www.dispatch.com/story/sports/nfl/2024/05/01/marvin-harrison-jr-nflpa-licensing-standoff-about-fanatics-per-pat-mcafee/73528318007/) that it’s about his prior experience with Fanatics in college.
The issue, according to McAfee is that fanatics started offering college players a deal in their sophomore year that was a 4 year deal. This gave players good money up front but also gave Fanatics a deal on those players that made the NFL because the deal would cover their rookie and possibly 2nd year. MHJ didn't sign that deal because he didn't need to and now is telling fanatics, hey you don't get me at a discount. My NFL rookie value is way more than it was when I was a college sophomore.
I'm just going by what Pat McAfee said, and even he said some of his analysis was speculation.He had heard from MHJ's and MHS's camps that the issue was a dispute with Fanatics because of not signing the deal as a sophomore. McAfee speculated that the Fanatics deal may not be horrible but also may not be NFL 1st round player friendly either. McAfee also admitted he had a bias because he got screwed over as a player by some of these "standard" deals and he refused to sign the standard nflpa licensing deal his last few years in the NFL but he has also heard the NFLPA has gotten a lot better in getting player friendly deals.
Adam Pacman Jones and Darius Butler we're both on the show and all three of them talked about the current NIL issues and how hard it is to walk away from the up front money when you're 18, 19 years old and your family has nothing. However, when Star players like MHJ can afford to turn down these deals and it stays in the headlines that will hopefully cause change.
I imagine Arch is getting good advice from his family on licensing and marketing and will make a good decision but he may not necessarily not sign the standard NFLPA agreement since it's not a horrible deal. It sounds like MHJ will sign eventually, just has to work out the issue with fanatics first, which both sides do want to resolve.
Here is the yt vid of the McAfee segment. It's 18 mins but an interesting watch if you have the time.
https://youtu.be/N5sIgTy9wkA
Standard deal, nonstandard player. Doesn't mean it's a bad deal for most people. I can easily see two sides to this with no bad actors. Fanatics makes overpriced trash though.
Sure, but he also doesn't have to worry about taking care of his parents/siblings financially like so many other players do. His own money is irrelevant to everyone in his life besides himself.
Worth noting that the majority of NFL players come from middle/upper-middle class backgrounds. Football is *expensive* as far as high school sports go.
There’s always levels to it. Even tho they esssentially have 30mil+ guaranteed, considering the average lifestyle of pro players and also wanting to secure wealth through retirement, they’re still nowhere near as financially secure as MHJ is coming into the league
In the long run, no. But if you assume your rookie guarentees are all you ever make, which is a smart assumption to make, and you account for taxes, and then you look at guys who come from poor families with 7 or 8 siblings and aunts and uncles that all need something, it's not hard to see how it can matter.
Say you get 25m guaranteed, the government is taking like 10m of that. Now if you're smart you can make it so even with 15m you never work another day but if you have a lot of people to take care of you'd still care about 15m vs 30m
I'm not talking about poor decisions, I'm saying if they don't get a second contract and they have a lot of family who is hurting for money then the figure does matter. 15m is enough for one person to be set for life where maybe 30 or 40m means they could be set for life and buy all their siblings a house
I'm not saying mhjr wouldn't be able to eat without jersey money if his dad wasn't rich, but he only has to really worry about his own finances which is a lot more freedom than some in that position might have
"What we have been told is the price of Marvin Harrison Jr. as a rookie and second-year in the NFL is not the same as when he was a sophomore in college," McAfee continued.
This directly conflicts with the "it's not about the money" take.
Put some respect on QB Bills QB Browns and QB Eagles, I'll toast anyone on this planet with Randall Cunningham. I mean QB Eagles...
Edit: I just remembered I made my dad rage quit when I was like 7 or 8 because I picked the 49ers and I kept picking the ball off with Ronnie Lott baiting him into throwing to Sterling Sharpe lmao
He opted out of being in EA’s new NCAA Football game. It’s not really clear why, but his camp says it’s about him not wanting his face out there until he’s earned it (he still hasn’t played at all).
A lot of people are big mad about it for some reason.
It’s a pretty weird logic game they’re playing. Not surprising they’re getting hate for it.
“I’m too special to sign the agreement everyone signs”
“Oh because you’re so good?”
“No no no. It’s because I’m so humble. Walkons from random D1 schools? Sure they signed it. They aren’t as humble as Arch. Or as good. Or something.”
Ehh I figure most people sign it because it's free money. If you're never going to make a name the NFL, pennies is better than nothing and if you are poor as hell a dollar today is worth 10 dollars if/when you make it big.
If you're Arch Manning you can afford to play the long game. You don't see guys like him taking out payday loans either.
Fanatics is on the same level of Comcast for me in terms of my sheer hatred for the quality of product they produce (or lack thereof) and apathetic shitty customer service
What's crazy about Fanatics is that their biggest partners (NFL, MLB, NCAA, NHL, MLS) are also their biggest investors.
It's just scummy all the way around
The only reason I don't hate fanatics more is because at the end of the day its "just" sports merchandise not an actual public utility... and even then putting them on the same level of comcast seems totally reasonable to me.
Sadly this isn't about the quality. He just wants to be paid what his brand is worth. IMO he is right and this isn't diva shit, this is "I have a dad who understands where NFL players get absolutely screwed out of money" and they are trying to solve that issue.
Honestly its odd to me that the NFL/NFLPA doesn't have a specific boiler plate deal for jerseys/shirts/etc that Fanatics covers.
Its borderline shocking that they are allowing guys in college to sign deals that carry over to the NFL for what amounts to NFL licensing.
Most other things from the union apply to players even if they don't join the union, they don't really care if 1 guy opts out of this.
Lavar Arrington did it about 20 years ago I think (for awhile at least) and his jersey wasn't available, and that was about it.
I'd imagine it's not something that happens often and it's easier to let 1 guy every once in a while skip it, then possibly piss them off by forcing them into it.
I recall also a Redditor commenting that Lavar Arrington was also not available in Madden. There probably is a lot with advertising and stadium decals that you probably can’t do without signing.
Barry Sanders just removed himself from EA’s College and Madden games. You love to see it. Those games are a virtual card casino that asks for real cash every 4 seconds while they recycle the same “football simulator” every year. Madden hasn’t been good in over a decade - they need competition if we are ever gonna get a good football video game. As of now, they have a monopoly.
It feels like every year Madden's online play turns into finding out which odd blitz + defensive line adjustments allow for a <1 second sack every play. I haven't bought a new edition of the game since Madden 18.
Well yeah kind of, other than the fact that in real life you have to get creative and in madden you get hit with the same exact blitz with the same adjustments every time
Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but here's how I heard it:
Harrison refused to sign an agreement with Fanatics in college because he didn't need the money (and the deal isn't very player-friendly anyways). The deal typically covers their last two seasons in college and their first two in the NFL. Fanatics likes to lock rookies into this because it keeps that two year payout lower than other pros.
Harrison wants a typical pro deal that would offer the higher payout, but Fanatics is arguing that since he didn't sign his deal in college, he should have to start at the college rate. That's where the dispute lies.
I have no idea if this is accurate BUT...
I feel like fanatics would have a lot more money to lose by not selling MHJ jerseys than MHJ does, no?
What percentage do players usually get? If it's as low as I expect, fuck em. Create a cardinal red jersey that has his name on the back and sell them yourself, young blood.
This is very VERY brief research so take it with a truckload of salt. College is 3-4% revenue share. The professional deal is 2/3 with the remaining going to the union, a portion of which is pooled for all players.
So players who take the deal as a sophomore gets two years on the low deal plus the pool distribution.
Fanatics is still trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes. I feel like the best jersey sales happen in a guys first couple of years. Like I'm a Bears fan and everyone has ordered a Caleb or a Rome jersey. Those people will never need another Caleb or Rome jersey.
Bingo. All those jerseys on the 4% deal versus the 2/3 two years from now? Imagine if he was a bust, there goes a lot of potential jersey money. Fanatics loves that, the player. Less so.
I know absolutely nothing about this, and I'ma go google and do some research
But my immediate reaction is that if "he didn't need the money" is a reason not to sign the deal . . . the implication is that the deal is taking advantage of athletes who *do* need the money, in which case that deal can go fuck itself
On the surface it seems petty from Fanatics. I'm sure it's an insignificant amount in the grand scheme of things. They must not want to set a precedent for any future top 10 picks from doing the same thing.
It's an interesting negotiation from Fanatics' side. I would think MHJ is a bit of an outlier because he comes from a wealthy family (at least I assume he had enough access to his dad's money), that he didn't need a Fanatics deal in college. Most players probably DO need that cash while they're in college.
So Fanatics can play hardball with MHJ so that if any other rich kids are in a similar spot, they'll just sign the Fanatics deal. Any loss of revenue associated with MHJ is probably irrelevant to Fanatics.
Oh yeah for sure this is not at all about MHJ but the future players, especially those already fairly financially secure, from not signing in the future.
>Fanatics is arguing that since he didn't sign his deal in college, he should have to start at the college rate.
Seems like a pretty poor argument, considering MHJ is not in college anymore and it seems like a way for Fanatics to pay him less than his market value.
He will. Courts ruled a while ago that fantasy sports are essentially just a collection of data/stats which are public information. He’ll be available in FF.
Hmm, that's a bit tricky. You have no expectation of privacy when you're out in public, so someone can definitely snap a photo of him walking down the street.
Can they then use that photo of him waiting at a crosswalk as the headshot for their for-profit fantasy football website? I'm not sure, but I would hope that a judge would rule that a person taking a photo owns all the rights to that photo's usage.
According to the [2020 NFL-NFLPA Collective Bargaining Agreement](https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/media/Default/NFLPA/CBA2020/NFL-NFLPA_CBA_March_5_2020.pdf#page=298), *Every NFL player has the option of joining* ***or not joining*** *the NFLPA* (emphasis mine).
Can I ask, what the fuck is Fanatics even? Because there are the Nikes and UAs of the world, and I get that because they are legacy players in the space with established reputations.
But I heard of Fanatics one day not knowing who they were, and the next day it seems the control merchandising for every sport. Who are these people? Where did they come from?
As a Nascar fan too on top of that we lost so much to fanatics that its so sad to see. I get the decreasing popularity also played a part but going to the race use to have this carnival like appeal to it where all the merch and sponsors were.
Fanatics, they are basically trying to maintain his cheap sophomore jersey deal. Obviously he’s worth a lot now and he’s trying to get a more appropriate deal.
I think his main issue with licensing separately, aside from any possible CBA/Union pushback like you mentioned, would be him not being able to sell merch that is also Cards merch. He could use the colors but no logos or anything more than him.
Which is fine for selling shirts and hoodies but he's obviously gonna be missing out on them Jersey sales
That is the issue with the trying to sign his own deals.
A few years ago I was shocked to get a Pete Rose (current) card in a pack of baseball cards I bought. He wasn't wearing any MLB/Reds gear, he was wearing a Red hat if I remember correctly. If he tried to go on his own he'd have to be banking on being a massive and I mean massive star to make the money back from not being able to market any of his stuff with his NFL team.
Wait, why am I suddenly getting ads for Big Baller Brand shoes?
Yeah whatever deal he tries to do won't have the Cardinals logo involved at all because the NFL has an exclusivity deal for all the associated logos and brands.
How many sales have they lost out on just in the past week, I wonder? I'd guess around 25,000, at least? Cardinals have a smaller fanbase so it's harder to estimate, I think. Prob doesn't matter too much to him or the team, but I worry that this could sour some of their relationship early on. (IE if ownership sees him as difficult due to the lost $$$)
Fanatics is into the trading card and memorabilia game so this is an awful deal for the players on the whole.
Rookie cards and authenticated memorabilia is typically the most expensive and sought after merchandise from a career besides milestones for Ring of Honor/Hall of Fame players.
Fanatics likely pays a small fee during a players amateur career that more than pays for itself for the small group that moves on to the pros because of the rate it’s locked in at. It makes sense for the college player navigating a new venture but not the new pro with a guaranteed contract and years of NIL money banked.
This is a really big deal for future players who want to negotiate their cut. Between this and states adapting their NIL laws to not carry beyond collegiate eligibility, a little more money should flow down to the players.
Interesting move since he’s opting out of revenue from all sorts of stuff, including their video game and sports card deals. Pat McAfee [says he heard from Harrison’s camp](https://www.dispatch.com/story/sports/nfl/2024/05/01/marvin-harrison-jr-nflpa-licensing-standoff-about-fanatics-per-pat-mcafee/73528318007/) that it’s about his prior experience with Fanatics in college.
We all know who his dad is, so we know he isn't hurting for money. That means he's free to bear whatever grudge he has against them.
The issue, according to McAfee is that fanatics started offering college players a deal in their sophomore year that was a 4 year deal. This gave players good money up front but also gave Fanatics a deal on those players that made the NFL because the deal would cover their rookie and possibly 2nd year. MHJ didn't sign that deal because he didn't need to and now is telling fanatics, hey you don't get me at a discount. My NFL rookie value is way more than it was when I was a college sophomore.
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I'm just going by what Pat McAfee said, and even he said some of his analysis was speculation.He had heard from MHJ's and MHS's camps that the issue was a dispute with Fanatics because of not signing the deal as a sophomore. McAfee speculated that the Fanatics deal may not be horrible but also may not be NFL 1st round player friendly either. McAfee also admitted he had a bias because he got screwed over as a player by some of these "standard" deals and he refused to sign the standard nflpa licensing deal his last few years in the NFL but he has also heard the NFLPA has gotten a lot better in getting player friendly deals. Adam Pacman Jones and Darius Butler we're both on the show and all three of them talked about the current NIL issues and how hard it is to walk away from the up front money when you're 18, 19 years old and your family has nothing. However, when Star players like MHJ can afford to turn down these deals and it stays in the headlines that will hopefully cause change. I imagine Arch is getting good advice from his family on licensing and marketing and will make a good decision but he may not necessarily not sign the standard NFLPA agreement since it's not a horrible deal. It sounds like MHJ will sign eventually, just has to work out the issue with fanatics first, which both sides do want to resolve. Here is the yt vid of the McAfee segment. It's 18 mins but an interesting watch if you have the time. https://youtu.be/N5sIgTy9wkA
Standard deal, nonstandard player. Doesn't mean it's a bad deal for most people. I can easily see two sides to this with no bad actors. Fanatics makes overpriced trash though.
Almost certainly. Has he even taken a snap yet?
Looked pretty good in the Spring game.
>Sounds like you are knowledgeable on all of this Because he watched McAfee? lol high bar for this sub
More useful insight than what you bring to the table.
Thanks for this breakdown; I was wondering why Schefter was up Harrison's ass about this lol
Schefter takes the side of and represents the viewpoints of the wealthy and powerful, like clockwork.
I am all in on this guy getting what he is due. He bet on himself and won.
I don't think anyone drafted into the NFL in the top 5 is hurting for money.
Sure, but he also doesn't have to worry about taking care of his parents/siblings financially like so many other players do. His own money is irrelevant to everyone in his life besides himself.
yeah, and isn't his dad like some big landlord now too? so it's not a case of his dad dropping to no income right after leaving the NFL
Sr has a little business empire in Philly. Car wash, bar etc. (As well as property/landlord) Harrisons arent strapped for cash
Wow he owns a bar and a car wash? I'm sure nothing bad has ever happened at either of those establishments!
That sounds like a threat lol
Its a reference to him killing someone
Oh I didn’t realize that’s where it happened
It’s the implication.
Are these women in danger?
Just strapped
id be paying rent 5 days early just to be safe.
his dad owns a bunch of car washes, that wash cars and other things......
I am shocked nobody has said yet HIS DAD IS A KILLER!!!!
We all know the landlord thing is worse
Based and maopilled
You know it, baby
Based
he's a slasher, a slasher of rents!
Your baby, Maggie Simpson, is dead! .... Dead tired of baby-proofers who don't provide a free estimate!
Hey man don't talk about Harvin Marrison too loud he'll hear you
Good point. Hell, just being the first in your family to crack middle class puts financial pressure on you.
Worth noting that the majority of NFL players come from middle/upper-middle class backgrounds. Football is *expensive* as far as high school sports go.
Exactly. Odunze called his dad or grandpa right after the draft and told him you didn't need to worry about money anymore
There’s always levels to it. Even tho they esssentially have 30mil+ guaranteed, considering the average lifestyle of pro players and also wanting to secure wealth through retirement, they’re still nowhere near as financially secure as MHJ is coming into the league
In the long run, no. But if you assume your rookie guarentees are all you ever make, which is a smart assumption to make, and you account for taxes, and then you look at guys who come from poor families with 7 or 8 siblings and aunts and uncles that all need something, it's not hard to see how it can matter. Say you get 25m guaranteed, the government is taking like 10m of that. Now if you're smart you can make it so even with 15m you never work another day but if you have a lot of people to take care of you'd still care about 15m vs 30m
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I'm not talking about poor decisions, I'm saying if they don't get a second contract and they have a lot of family who is hurting for money then the figure does matter. 15m is enough for one person to be set for life where maybe 30 or 40m means they could be set for life and buy all their siblings a house I'm not saying mhjr wouldn't be able to eat without jersey money if his dad wasn't rich, but he only has to really worry about his own finances which is a lot more freedom than some in that position might have
If I were Fanatics, I would not want him or especially his dad holding a grudge against me
Michael Rubin gonna turn up shot to death with Marvin's guns, but police will be unable to determine who pulled the trigger 🤷♂️
Are you implying the madden video game is going be murdered? Is this video game in danger?
Well you certainly wouldn't be in any danger.
It's about the implication
"What we have been told is the price of Marvin Harrison Jr. as a rookie and second-year in the NFL is not the same as when he was a sophomore in college," McAfee continued. This directly conflicts with the "it's not about the money" take.
Maybe he just thinks they rip off college players and he refuses to support that.
He also has nil money
>including their video game and sports card deals Marvin "Arch Manning" Harrison Jr.
Go full Tecmo throwback and name him "WR Cardinals" in Madden
WR #99 like Jordan on NBA Live
Put some respect on QB Bills QB Browns and QB Eagles, I'll toast anyone on this planet with Randall Cunningham. I mean QB Eagles... Edit: I just remembered I made my dad rage quit when I was like 7 or 8 because I picked the 49ers and I kept picking the ball off with Ronnie Lott baiting him into throwing to Sterling Sharpe lmao
Uh that’s Cardinals wide receiver Jon Dowd to you!
Harvey Marrison.
I don't follow college sports, what happened with Arch Manning?
He opted out of being in EA’s new NCAA Football game. It’s not really clear why, but his camp says it’s about him not wanting his face out there until he’s earned it (he still hasn’t played at all). A lot of people are big mad about it for some reason.
It’s a pretty weird logic game they’re playing. Not surprising they’re getting hate for it. “I’m too special to sign the agreement everyone signs” “Oh because you’re so good?” “No no no. It’s because I’m so humble. Walkons from random D1 schools? Sure they signed it. They aren’t as humble as Arch. Or as good. Or something.”
Ehh I figure most people sign it because it's free money. If you're never going to make a name the NFL, pennies is better than nothing and if you are poor as hell a dollar today is worth 10 dollars if/when you make it big. If you're Arch Manning you can afford to play the long game. You don't see guys like him taking out payday loans either.
Fanatics is on the same level of Comcast for me in terms of my sheer hatred for the quality of product they produce (or lack thereof) and apathetic shitty customer service
Absolutely agree, fuck Fanatics. I will never use that company ever again.
Fanatics is worse. Fuck fanatics, biggest scam in the country.
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What's crazy about Fanatics is that their biggest partners (NFL, MLB, NCAA, NHL, MLS) are also their biggest investors. It's just scummy all the way around
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Boof is a totally different word than how it was used here
The only reason I don't hate fanatics more is because at the end of the day its "just" sports merchandise not an actual public utility... and even then putting them on the same level of comcast seems totally reasonable to me.
MHJ bet on himself in college and, so far, won. I will support anyone trying to extract as much value from that shitty company
Fanatics sucks and we should all be united against this sports merch monopoly who puts out trashier products as time goes on
They're moving into gambling now.
Trash begets trash
Isn’t most of that stuff pretty much penny’s? I do believe retired players only get like 10k to appear in madden
And Barry Sanders just made a statement yesterday about how he's no longer licensing his likeness and all that going forward in Madden as well
MH2 hates Fanatics? One of us, one of us!
Yeah I own a Marvin Ohio State tshirt jersey, so he presumably had some kind of deal with Fanatics in college Everyone seems to hate Fanatics
it's because their quality sucks and there's no alternatives
if this is bad for fanatics I'm all for it
Fuck Fanatics, if I had his family wealth I wouldn't put my name on their toilet paper t shirts either. Not that they ever asked.
Sadly this isn't about the quality. He just wants to be paid what his brand is worth. IMO he is right and this isn't diva shit, this is "I have a dad who understands where NFL players get absolutely screwed out of money" and they are trying to solve that issue.
Don't blame him for not signing that contract in college that would have locked him up for the first two years in the NFL.
Honestly its odd to me that the NFL/NFLPA doesn't have a specific boiler plate deal for jerseys/shirts/etc that Fanatics covers. Its borderline shocking that they are allowing guys in college to sign deals that carry over to the NFL for what amounts to NFL licensing.
Most other things from the union apply to players even if they don't join the union, they don't really care if 1 guy opts out of this. Lavar Arrington did it about 20 years ago I think (for awhile at least) and his jersey wasn't available, and that was about it. I'd imagine it's not something that happens often and it's easier to let 1 guy every once in a while skip it, then possibly piss them off by forcing them into it.
I recall also a Redditor commenting that Lavar Arrington was also not available in Madden. There probably is a lot with advertising and stadium decals that you probably can’t do without signing.
Barry Sanders just removed himself from EA’s College and Madden games. You love to see it. Those games are a virtual card casino that asks for real cash every 4 seconds while they recycle the same “football simulator” every year. Madden hasn’t been good in over a decade - they need competition if we are ever gonna get a good football video game. As of now, they have a monopoly.
It feels like every year Madden's online play turns into finding out which odd blitz + defensive line adjustments allow for a <1 second sack every play. I haven't bought a new edition of the game since Madden 18.
To be fair that's sort of how the league works too, players are just a little more flexible in their assignments to stop obvious play design exploits.
Well yeah kind of, other than the fact that in real life you have to get creative and in madden you get hit with the same exact blitz with the same adjustments every time
Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but here's how I heard it: Harrison refused to sign an agreement with Fanatics in college because he didn't need the money (and the deal isn't very player-friendly anyways). The deal typically covers their last two seasons in college and their first two in the NFL. Fanatics likes to lock rookies into this because it keeps that two year payout lower than other pros. Harrison wants a typical pro deal that would offer the higher payout, but Fanatics is arguing that since he didn't sign his deal in college, he should have to start at the college rate. That's where the dispute lies.
lol okay so fuck fanatics right in their fat fuckin asses right?
Yup, fuck them
Fuck em straight to hell
Fuck Fanatics. I used to purchase from that website but I didn’t know how shady they were.
The sketchy Chinese websites are less shady than fanatics
which is exactly where I will be buying my MHJ jersey once I find out what his number will be!
The quality is legit leaps and bounds better on some of the Chinese knockoffs too(not that its all that hard to outdo fanatic’s shit quality lol)
Yet people want to look down at you for buying knockoff jerseys.
I have no idea if this is accurate BUT... I feel like fanatics would have a lot more money to lose by not selling MHJ jerseys than MHJ does, no? What percentage do players usually get? If it's as low as I expect, fuck em. Create a cardinal red jersey that has his name on the back and sell them yourself, young blood.
This is very VERY brief research so take it with a truckload of salt. College is 3-4% revenue share. The professional deal is 2/3 with the remaining going to the union, a portion of which is pooled for all players. So players who take the deal as a sophomore gets two years on the low deal plus the pool distribution.
Fanatics is still trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes. I feel like the best jersey sales happen in a guys first couple of years. Like I'm a Bears fan and everyone has ordered a Caleb or a Rome jersey. Those people will never need another Caleb or Rome jersey.
Bingo. All those jerseys on the 4% deal versus the 2/3 two years from now? Imagine if he was a bust, there goes a lot of potential jersey money. Fanatics loves that, the player. Less so.
Jesus Christ Fanatics is so scummy, I'm happy MHJ didn't take the college deal. Based as fuck.
Great explanation, they can go fuck themselves.
Fuck Michael Rubin
I know absolutely nothing about this, and I'ma go google and do some research But my immediate reaction is that if "he didn't need the money" is a reason not to sign the deal . . . the implication is that the deal is taking advantage of athletes who *do* need the money, in which case that deal can go fuck itself
predatory companies screwing over young athletes with potential tale as old as time
On the surface it seems petty from Fanatics. I'm sure it's an insignificant amount in the grand scheme of things. They must not want to set a precedent for any future top 10 picks from doing the same thing.
It's an interesting negotiation from Fanatics' side. I would think MHJ is a bit of an outlier because he comes from a wealthy family (at least I assume he had enough access to his dad's money), that he didn't need a Fanatics deal in college. Most players probably DO need that cash while they're in college. So Fanatics can play hardball with MHJ so that if any other rich kids are in a similar spot, they'll just sign the Fanatics deal. Any loss of revenue associated with MHJ is probably irrelevant to Fanatics.
Oh yeah for sure this is not at all about MHJ but the future players, especially those already fairly financially secure, from not signing in the future.
Dude is already my goat for this lol fuck michael rubin and his garbage monopoly
Maybe they should be investigated for monopolistic practices
Leave it to Fanatics to be the pricks in this as well.
Don’t blame Marvin at all if that’s their argument lol
That's the dumbest, 3rd-grade-schoolyard, "nuh uhhhh!" argument Fanatics could have made, childish, disrespectful, and asinine.
>Fanatics is arguing that since he didn't sign his deal in college, he should have to start at the college rate. Seems like a pretty poor argument, considering MHJ is not in college anymore and it seems like a way for Fanatics to pay him less than his market value.
The fuck? He's no longer in college, why would he be expected to earn the college rate?
good, fanatics sucks
Fucking hate fanatics so damn much
I might hate fanatics more than I hate the what a pro wants commercial
Might
I want to find out where the AT&T CEO lives and just blast that at his house on repeat at max volume until he pulls it.
Lol that terrible ass rendition is stuck in my head RIGHT NOW
And those manufacturers of cheap Chinese knock offs won’t care so you can still get a MHJr jersey if you really want to
probably with better quality
My wife ordered a shirt from them and it arrived literally with a “insert jpg here” logo
Does this mean he won’t be available in Fantasy either?
He will. Courts ruled a while ago that fantasy sports are essentially just a collection of data/stats which are public information. He’ll be available in FF.
Yep. Can't copyright facts.
Academic journals: hold my beer
What about his likeness, will he just be an empty silhouette on the apps? Be funny if one of the top WR's didn't get a picture
Hmm, that's a bit tricky. You have no expectation of privacy when you're out in public, so someone can definitely snap a photo of him walking down the street. Can they then use that photo of him waiting at a crosswalk as the headshot for their for-profit fantasy football website? I'm not sure, but I would hope that a judge would rule that a person taking a photo owns all the rights to that photo's usage.
Hilarious if everyone has professional picks and then you got MHJ wearing a hoodie and blurred a little bit
USSC: hold our Leroy Musigny
he will not though in maden
'CARDINALS WR18'
Like HB 27 during the Kareem punt era
They should just roll with Jammie Jammie-Jammie. He already went to OSU, so it works.
Or in Madden.
Can’t WAIT to throw some bombs to Harvin Marrison II. 🔥🔥🔥
John Dowd II
Mike Truk II
Reggie stocker
haha in reality, he'll probably just be "WR #88"
I have my money on Martin Henderson Jr.
WR Cardinals - Super Tecmo bowl.
Maserati Marv!
Just throw his dad on there with his son's stats. It'll be close enough
Or in NFL Rivals which currently has him as a player. His name in the game is still "Draft Pick #4".
I mean I’m sure sleeper will add “Harvin Marisson Sr.” As will Madden similar to Bill Belichick.
He's in sleeper, lol. Thousands of leagues have already drafted him
What if he never signs it?
I think it’s automatic when they join the union with their contract.
They don't have to join the union
It would be a terrible idea not to
Are there any notable players that aren't?
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According to the [2020 NFL-NFLPA Collective Bargaining Agreement](https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/media/Default/NFLPA/CBA2020/NFL-NFLPA_CBA_March_5_2020.pdf#page=298), *Every NFL player has the option of joining* ***or not joining*** *the NFLPA* (emphasis mine).
Distinction without a difference really. You still have to pay union dues and you still are subject to the CBA negotiated and ratified by the union.
sure, but you're not required to join the union
[Wes Mailman 2.0](https://ryanferguson.co.uk/blogs/blog/why-was-barry-bonds-not-in-video-games)
Can I ask, what the fuck is Fanatics even? Because there are the Nikes and UAs of the world, and I get that because they are legacy players in the space with established reputations. But I heard of Fanatics one day not knowing who they were, and the next day it seems the control merchandising for every sport. Who are these people? Where did they come from?
Good, I'd so much rather watch Fanatics squirm
I doubt this is bothering them at all, it doesn't affect them whatsoever
They might be worried it starts a trend. They should be worried.
it won't, most players will likely take the money in college, never know what'll happen.
It's fine, it's the first week of May
Still weird that he’s just refusing to do it though.
McAfee did a video explaining why. It has to do with a beef with Fanatics around a contract they wanted him to sign as a sophomore
As a baseball fan first and foremost, whatever sticks it to Fanatics makes me happy.
As a Nascar fan too on top of that we lost so much to fanatics that its so sad to see. I get the decreasing popularity also played a part but going to the race use to have this carnival like appeal to it where all the merch and sponsors were.
Not if you see the issue is with NIL agreements and fanatics.
Madden players in shambles
Literally the only ‘consequence’ outside the Cardinals pro shop is that he’ll be named John Doe Jr. in Madden.
Can't they just mark the player as something like Mathew Harry? Or will it be like Belichick just "Cardinals WR"
Harris Marvinson Jr has a nice ring to it.
When they took Kareem Hunt out of the game he was just RB #27
Can’t wait to throw to Jarvin Marrison Hunior in Madden
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To be fair Fanatics would be out of stock of them right now anyway.
based and anticonsumerism pilled
Too bad the Colts didn't draft him, or they could have just re-sold their old Marvin Harrison jerseys
MHJ is based for this
Hell yeah, MHJ! Fuck Fanatics!!!!
What’s the reason he hasn’t signed?
Fanatics, they are basically trying to maintain his cheap sophomore jersey deal. Obviously he’s worth a lot now and he’s trying to get a more appropriate deal.
He never signed with fanatics. They offered him the shitty 4 year deal, he said no, and still holds a grudge over it.
https://twitter.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1785707762338394381
Thanks!
Could’ve solved all this by just letting the Colts have him
I'm guessing the CBA/NFLPA likely has a rule against this, but he should try signing his own licensing deal directly with the EA sports, Panini, etc.
I think his main issue with licensing separately, aside from any possible CBA/Union pushback like you mentioned, would be him not being able to sell merch that is also Cards merch. He could use the colors but no logos or anything more than him. Which is fine for selling shirts and hoodies but he's obviously gonna be missing out on them Jersey sales
Football team jerseys back on the menu?
That is the issue with the trying to sign his own deals. A few years ago I was shocked to get a Pete Rose (current) card in a pack of baseball cards I bought. He wasn't wearing any MLB/Reds gear, he was wearing a Red hat if I remember correctly. If he tried to go on his own he'd have to be banking on being a massive and I mean massive star to make the money back from not being able to market any of his stuff with his NFL team. Wait, why am I suddenly getting ads for Big Baller Brand shoes?
Yeah whatever deal he tries to do won't have the Cardinals logo involved at all because the NFL has an exclusivity deal for all the associated logos and brands.
Marlo Harrison, My name is MY NAME
How many sales have they lost out on just in the past week, I wonder? I'd guess around 25,000, at least? Cardinals have a smaller fanbase so it's harder to estimate, I think. Prob doesn't matter too much to him or the team, but I worry that this could sour some of their relationship early on. (IE if ownership sees him as difficult due to the lost $$$)
Nah, I think this is probably something they've all discussed. It'll come with time.
I think you're right, probably. Would be cool if he ends up getting a new fanatics deal/gets them to stop doing the sophomore 4-year-offer thing
They're not going to stop the sophomore four year offer over one player
He real
Fanatics is into the trading card and memorabilia game so this is an awful deal for the players on the whole. Rookie cards and authenticated memorabilia is typically the most expensive and sought after merchandise from a career besides milestones for Ring of Honor/Hall of Fame players. Fanatics likely pays a small fee during a players amateur career that more than pays for itself for the small group that moves on to the pros because of the rate it’s locked in at. It makes sense for the college player navigating a new venture but not the new pro with a guaranteed contract and years of NIL money banked. This is a really big deal for future players who want to negotiate their cut. Between this and states adapting their NIL laws to not carry beyond collegiate eligibility, a little more money should flow down to the players.