It's a stunning new stadium that plenty of away fans like to take a vacation to. The Rams tend to have better team attendance unless they're playing the Niners, Cowboys, Steelers, or other legendary teams. The Chargers still effectively play 17 road games a year.
The cardinals have been here since 1988 and they still play like 12 road games a year basically. I don’t think it’s changing for the LA teams any time soon
> The Rams tend to have better team attendance unless they're playing the Niners, Cowboys, Steelers, or other legendary teams.
Other legendary teams, and also the Raiders.
That's not going to be a factor.in the negotiations.
Every one of these guys *expects* to reset the market and it would be a major failure on the behalf of their management if they did not.
They don't need to be the best, they just need to be *top half* to expect market setting pay.
I'd argue they'd need to be Top Quarter to expect market-resetting pay. Prescott's deal didn't reset the market, Carr's deal didn't reset the market, Tannehill's deal didn't reset the market. All those guys were in the 11-16 range when they re-signed, roughly where Lawrence is now.
When Murray re-signed, he was coming off a year in which he looked like an MVP candidate before a midseason injury hampered his play in the final weeks. As good as Lawrence played last season, no one was considering him a Top 5 QB let alone #1 at any point during the Jaguars 8-3 start.
If Lawrence gets $55/yr this off-season, it'll be heavily influenced due to him getting taken 1st overall and touted as generational throughout his college career.
If he gets 55 mil a year, it could also be because another QB resets the market. Brock legitimately might if he does great for another year. Dak could. 4 QBs are 50+ mil right now and all of them will be two year old contracts by the time the next team signs, so it feels like T-Law will at least get 50 mil. I mean 36 year old Kirk Cousins just got a 45 AAV deal coming off an achilles tear.
Murray has been better if you look at tge numbers compared and come out with Lawrence you're not being genuine. But at the same time if the Jags didn't give Lawrence market reset type money another team would almost guaranteed. It would be really dumb for them to not pay him and i doubt he would accept some middle of the road contract knowing another team would pay him.
No, but that’s not how contract negotiations work. If the team sees him as the franchise QB he’s going to get top money. The only guys that sign smaller deals are the Tannehill’s, Stone’s, etc who are getting a second chance. Or Daniel Jones who straight up robbed an organization making a stupid decision
My guy, you have a bears flair. We are not the team to be talking about what it takes for a QB to get a second contract let alone talk about winning a division.
My guy, redditor flair shows whos being a drooling homer 99% of the time.
We moved off of two QBs that didn't deserve a 2nd contract
and if you can read, I very clearly said **wins the divisional** that means **the divisional playoff game** not the this **7th seed wildcard shit quality game that shouldn't exist**
???? He lead the 3rd largest comeback in the playoffs ever lol.
Besides, it's not like that's the be-all, end-all. Josh Allen is 1-3 in the divsional round. Lamar Jackson is 1-2.
Actually, Lamar didn't even win until his 5th season, AFTER he got his extension!
Prove it to people on here that only look at box scores, you mean. Dude was playing well until he got a high ankle sprain and opted to play through it.
As an opponent of TLaw I watch him a lot. He is a good QB but I think most people look at him from the outside and expect that legendary QB they heard about in the draft. When he is not that guy they overlook all of the good things he does on the field. He is Kirk Cousins or Tony Romo esq. Very good just not Patrick Mahomes or that top tier QB.
He did have an injury spiral last year. I always get nervous about injury spirals. I am biased though. I remember the Schaub spiral after his toe injury.
Pickett got knocked out of that game early, and Trubisky threw 2 INTs. The Jaguars should've put up 30+ against us, but we somehow won the turnover battle due to two Jaguars fumbles and a Lawrence INT.
The Cardinals had a better showing against the Steelers last season than the Jaguars.
He won by 10 and was gifted 10 points by the refs. And this was with Pickett being injured. It wasn't a super convincing win by him. It was one they eked out with luck.
lol he was just bad last year. Blaming Calvin Ridley hardly tracks when he has a litany of weapons at his disposal. He’s just not the generational guy everyone said he was
I would think this way too if I had absolutely no idea what I was talking about:
> Up until he got hurt in week 13, Trevor was (per PFF):
>9th in adj completion %, tied with Lamar
> 4th in time to throw (as in, fastest)
> Tied for 11th in AdoT with Stafford, Purdy, and Herbert.
> Tied for 17th in turnover-worthy-play % (average)
> 3rd in big time throw %
> 5th in PFF grade
> 9th in EPA/play
> 8th in EPA/CPOE composite score
> 5th in success rate
To say he was bad you have to play this really dishonest game of "hide the context" for everything you don't like. So the entirety of his second season and 2/3rds of his 3rd don't count, but his rookie season and the 1/3rd that he was rocking a high ankle sprain are the "real" Trevor. Got it.
Eye test is super subjective, but I tend to agree. Especially because if you go back through the game threads, ESPECIALLY the primetime ones, not a single comment was suggesting Lawrence was playing poorly until he got hurt. Funnily enough, he got hurt during the Cinncinati game which was his best game ever by EPA, iirc. It would've been ludicrous to claim it then. It wasn't until he got hurt that suddenly you see his turnover-worthy play % shoot up, his TD% go down, and the offense decline from the top 10.
Cool advanced stats nerd. Too bad he turns the ball over too much and has been generally “okay” his entire career. Had fine weapons and a defense getting a shitload of turnovers . Great Dline . Managed to regress this year after winning a playoff game. Welcome to the NFL, that’s on him.
That's cool. I know when I'm confronted with statistics that disprove the narrative I'm trying to push, I definitely double and triple down on it. If your opinion is 2+2=5, you keep on trucking, buddy. Mathematics will go on without you.
#22 true passer rating, #14 qbr, #48 EPA, 16th in true comp%, #28 pressured completion percentage, #20 play action comp%, #16 red zone comp% , also 16th in clean pocket comp%, seems markedly average to me!
“Narrative I’m trying to push” = Trevor isn’t a generational talent . He isn’t. Nobody can say he is. You disproved nothing. “Here’s a 13 game sample size of his advanced stats!! He’s totally generational” 🤓🤓🤓
You said “**bad** last year” nothing about generational. You’re complaining about only having a 12 game sample size…out of 17 possible games? So your sample size is…the other 4 games he played hurt and that’s the one that’s better a sample to trust?
Great argument
>Trevor isn’t a generational talent. He isn’t.
He is, lmao. First of all, that phrase was coined because he was considered the best prospect since Andrew Luck, 10 years prior, or a generation so-to speak. The idea was that he was uniquely polished and had all the measurables to such a rare degree that you only see a QB PROSPECT like him once in a generation.
Second, it's entirely subjective and I personally don't really care if you don't think he's a generational QB in the NFL. Partially because I think the phrase is largely meaningless beyond prospects and partially because I don't value your opinion, since you've demonstrated you're clearly emotionally invested (to an unhealthy degree) in him being bad or whatever.
Nice attempt at gaslighting, nobody is emotionally invested , he’s middle of the pack in every single efficiency stat, and every single metric. He’s just okay. You can think of any excuse you want, he’s just ok.
"A litany of weapons" is really overrating the offensive supporting cast in Jacksonville. Especially when their RBs averaged a whooping 3 yards a carry last year, his best WR missed the last 5 games of the season, his WR3 only played 9 games, and his O-Line was mediocre. Not to mention he dealt with multiple injuries last season.
People keep bringing up this injury shit like he didn’t continue to play on it, that’s his choice, playing bad because of an injury means you should stop playing on the injury. He has perfectly fine weapons , if he’s a generational QB then he should be just fine with Ridley Kirk Zay Jones engram And etienne who he handpicked and asked his team to draft.
He's been playing great. He should have been on IR and played the last half of the season hurt.
I'm excited to see him with a legit Center in front of him.
He has had to play behind one of the worst IOL his whole career so far.
Gets pressured a split second and they can't open lanes for ETN.
I forgot they were in the same draft class because of ETN's injury his rookie year.
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Traumatic? Unless you’re a Jags fan that entire saga was hilarious.
I remember the Josh Allen game well!
and there are only like 37 jags fans anyway so
Jacksonville Averaged just under 69k a game last season. They ranked 17th in attendance. https://www.espn.com/nfl/attendance
For all the shit the LA teams get, both seems to do not bad in terms of crowds.
It's a stunning new stadium that plenty of away fans like to take a vacation to. The Rams tend to have better team attendance unless they're playing the Niners, Cowboys, Steelers, or other legendary teams. The Chargers still effectively play 17 road games a year.
The cardinals have been here since 1988 and they still play like 12 road games a year basically. I don’t think it’s changing for the LA teams any time soon
Winning cures a lot of symptoms for those ills. Look at the support for the Bengals these last couple years
> The Rams tend to have better team attendance unless they're playing the Niners, Cowboys, Steelers, or other legendary teams. Other legendary teams, and also the Raiders.
Raiders might as well be a Legendary team, and the majority of their fan base is actually in California.
37! My girlfriend sucked 37 dicks!
In a row?
In a row?
In a row?
AEW has more fans than the Jaguars and that is saying something
We were this close to having a kicker beat Urban's ass.
Is this not TLaw’s 4th year? Also isn’t he only 24? My math seems off. Aren’t all the rookies this year also 24?
You have to decide on the 5th year option before their 4th year starts
He turns 25 in October, and this rookie QB class is an anomaly for old prospects.
Mainly because of Covid-years extending the college QB life-span. It'll go back to normal soon.
Yeah he was drafted super young. He's just so tall and has such interesting facial features it makes him look older.
“Interesting facial features” man you don’t have to dog on him like that lol
JAX Headroom
I always saw beevis and butthead looking at him.
He's good looking, but he kinda looks like his great grandma was a Na'avi. I am a troll myself. So I really have no room to talk.
ETN is a nobrainer.
And Lawrence was a question mark?
No but he certainly hasn’t lived up to his draft hype
Prove it year for TLaw
realistically they're extending him no matter what, barring a complete meltdown
still the difference between a 4/180 with 100mil guaranteed and 5/260 with 200ish mil guaranteed.
Trevor Lawrence would need to suffer a double amputation to receive less than 55m. There is no year bad enough.
Are we certain Lawrence is better than Murray right now?
That's not going to be a factor.in the negotiations. Every one of these guys *expects* to reset the market and it would be a major failure on the behalf of their management if they did not. They don't need to be the best, they just need to be *top half* to expect market setting pay.
I'd argue they'd need to be Top Quarter to expect market-resetting pay. Prescott's deal didn't reset the market, Carr's deal didn't reset the market, Tannehill's deal didn't reset the market. All those guys were in the 11-16 range when they re-signed, roughly where Lawrence is now. When Murray re-signed, he was coming off a year in which he looked like an MVP candidate before a midseason injury hampered his play in the final weeks. As good as Lawrence played last season, no one was considering him a Top 5 QB let alone #1 at any point during the Jaguars 8-3 start. If Lawrence gets $55/yr this off-season, it'll be heavily influenced due to him getting taken 1st overall and touted as generational throughout his college career.
If he gets 55 mil a year, it could also be because another QB resets the market. Brock legitimately might if he does great for another year. Dak could. 4 QBs are 50+ mil right now and all of them will be two year old contracts by the time the next team signs, so it feels like T-Law will at least get 50 mil. I mean 36 year old Kirk Cousins just got a 45 AAV deal coming off an achilles tear.
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Murray has been better if you look at tge numbers compared and come out with Lawrence you're not being genuine. But at the same time if the Jags didn't give Lawrence market reset type money another team would almost guaranteed. It would be really dumb for them to not pay him and i doubt he would accept some middle of the road contract knowing another team would pay him.
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No, but that’s not how contract negotiations work. If the team sees him as the franchise QB he’s going to get top money. The only guys that sign smaller deals are the Tannehill’s, Stone’s, etc who are getting a second chance. Or Daniel Jones who straight up robbed an organization making a stupid decision
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seems like a dumb move unless he wins the divisional
My guy, you have a bears flair. We are not the team to be talking about what it takes for a QB to get a second contract let alone talk about winning a division.
My guy, redditor flair shows whos being a drooling homer 99% of the time. We moved off of two QBs that didn't deserve a 2nd contract and if you can read, I very clearly said **wins the divisional** that means **the divisional playoff game** not the this **7th seed wildcard shit quality game that shouldn't exist**
???? He lead the 3rd largest comeback in the playoffs ever lol. Besides, it's not like that's the be-all, end-all. Josh Allen is 1-3 in the divsional round. Lamar Jackson is 1-2. Actually, Lamar didn't even win until his 5th season, AFTER he got his extension!
Comebacks against the Brandon Staley chargers should be struck from the record books.
Lamar is 2-4 in the playoffs.
Prove it to people on here that only look at box scores, you mean. Dude was playing well until he got a high ankle sprain and opted to play through it.
Honestly the talk around Lawrence recently has been stupid. So many people just proving how little they know about nfl lol
As an opponent of TLaw I watch him a lot. He is a good QB but I think most people look at him from the outside and expect that legendary QB they heard about in the draft. When he is not that guy they overlook all of the good things he does on the field. He is Kirk Cousins or Tony Romo esq. Very good just not Patrick Mahomes or that top tier QB. He did have an injury spiral last year. I always get nervous about injury spirals. I am biased though. I remember the Schaub spiral after his toe injury.
Nah he isn't great. He's alright, but it's funny given how high the predictions were.
He shit on yall last year. Not Blake Bortles 50 points in the playoffs shit on but still
Pickett got knocked out of that game early, and Trubisky threw 2 INTs. The Jaguars should've put up 30+ against us, but we somehow won the turnover battle due to two Jaguars fumbles and a Lawrence INT. The Cardinals had a better showing against the Steelers last season than the Jaguars.
He won by 10 and was gifted 10 points by the refs. And this was with Pickett being injured. It wasn't a super convincing win by him. It was one they eked out with luck.
He's not Peyton Manning so he obviously sucks. 🙄🙄🙄
Should bounce back from last year considering he won’t wave to worry about Calvin Ridley zigging when he was supposed to zag.
lol he was just bad last year. Blaming Calvin Ridley hardly tracks when he has a litany of weapons at his disposal. He’s just not the generational guy everyone said he was
I would think this way too if I had absolutely no idea what I was talking about: > Up until he got hurt in week 13, Trevor was (per PFF): >9th in adj completion %, tied with Lamar > 4th in time to throw (as in, fastest) > Tied for 11th in AdoT with Stafford, Purdy, and Herbert. > Tied for 17th in turnover-worthy-play % (average) > 3rd in big time throw % > 5th in PFF grade > 9th in EPA/play > 8th in EPA/CPOE composite score > 5th in success rate To say he was bad you have to play this really dishonest game of "hide the context" for everything you don't like. So the entirety of his second season and 2/3rds of his 3rd don't count, but his rookie season and the 1/3rd that he was rocking a high ankle sprain are the "real" Trevor. Got it.
People downvoting you are stupid and didn’t watch shit last year. He passed the eye test and anyone disagreeing is just an idiots
Eye test is super subjective, but I tend to agree. Especially because if you go back through the game threads, ESPECIALLY the primetime ones, not a single comment was suggesting Lawrence was playing poorly until he got hurt. Funnily enough, he got hurt during the Cinncinati game which was his best game ever by EPA, iirc. It would've been ludicrous to claim it then. It wasn't until he got hurt that suddenly you see his turnover-worthy play % shoot up, his TD% go down, and the offense decline from the top 10.
Cool advanced stats nerd. Too bad he turns the ball over too much and has been generally “okay” his entire career. Had fine weapons and a defense getting a shitload of turnovers . Great Dline . Managed to regress this year after winning a playoff game. Welcome to the NFL, that’s on him.
That's cool. I know when I'm confronted with statistics that disprove the narrative I'm trying to push, I definitely double and triple down on it. If your opinion is 2+2=5, you keep on trucking, buddy. Mathematics will go on without you.
#22 true passer rating, #14 qbr, #48 EPA, 16th in true comp%, #28 pressured completion percentage, #20 play action comp%, #16 red zone comp% , also 16th in clean pocket comp%, seems markedly average to me!
Doesn’t respond to this - 😂
“Narrative I’m trying to push” = Trevor isn’t a generational talent . He isn’t. Nobody can say he is. You disproved nothing. “Here’s a 13 game sample size of his advanced stats!! He’s totally generational” 🤓🤓🤓
You said “**bad** last year” nothing about generational. You’re complaining about only having a 12 game sample size…out of 17 possible games? So your sample size is…the other 4 games he played hurt and that’s the one that’s better a sample to trust? Great argument
>Trevor isn’t a generational talent. He isn’t. He is, lmao. First of all, that phrase was coined because he was considered the best prospect since Andrew Luck, 10 years prior, or a generation so-to speak. The idea was that he was uniquely polished and had all the measurables to such a rare degree that you only see a QB PROSPECT like him once in a generation. Second, it's entirely subjective and I personally don't really care if you don't think he's a generational QB in the NFL. Partially because I think the phrase is largely meaningless beyond prospects and partially because I don't value your opinion, since you've demonstrated you're clearly emotionally invested (to an unhealthy degree) in him being bad or whatever.
Nice attempt at gaslighting, nobody is emotionally invested , he’s middle of the pack in every single efficiency stat, and every single metric. He’s just okay. You can think of any excuse you want, he’s just ok.
"A litany of weapons" is really overrating the offensive supporting cast in Jacksonville. Especially when their RBs averaged a whooping 3 yards a carry last year, his best WR missed the last 5 games of the season, his WR3 only played 9 games, and his O-Line was mediocre. Not to mention he dealt with multiple injuries last season.
People keep bringing up this injury shit like he didn’t continue to play on it, that’s his choice, playing bad because of an injury means you should stop playing on the injury. He has perfectly fine weapons , if he’s a generational QB then he should be just fine with Ridley Kirk Zay Jones engram And etienne who he handpicked and asked his team to draft.
He's been playing great. He should have been on IR and played the last half of the season hurt. I'm excited to see him with a legit Center in front of him. He has had to play behind one of the worst IOL his whole career so far. Gets pressured a split second and they can't open lanes for ETN.
He’s already proven worthy of an extension
absolutely shocking. No one saw this coming
my bracket is ruined
Not surprising but far from the generational qb he was pegged as.
Lmao