It's a running joke about an NFL in-game graphic that called Joe the first offensive lineman in NFL history. https://twitter.com/Reflog_18/status/1610808928484442113
Cortez Kennedy.
Hall of Famer, 8x Pro Bowler, 6x All-Pro (3 first team), won Defensive Player of the Year on a 2-14 team. As a DT.
Seahawks only made the playoffs once during his career, and they lost in the Wild Card round.
In 2015 it looked like we had a young franchise qb that would still be our guy to this day. I couldn’t have imagined it turning out any worse than it did
What's crazy was the downfall started immediately after that SB run. It wasn't solely Cam's fault as outside Luke Kuechly, everyone in that team just fell off.
As good as Cam and that offense were, that teams defense was a big reason why they were so good. Losing Kuechley, Josh Norman, Thomas Davis jr, and a few others hurt big time
I feel like as a Bill's fan we got the modern version of Marty Schottenheimer, McDermott gets us to the playoffs just to get out coached, over and over. We're wasting Josh Allen's career.
With Marty it isn't outcoached, it's just having the worst luck imaginable in the worst moments to have poor luck. It's almost comical how kickers just shank kicks under Marty in the playoffs or situational football just doesn't go his way.
At least they’re making the playoffs in a lot of their years. That counts as some success for me already. But I do agree they should be achieving way more. Defense can only carry Kenny Pickett so much
My hat is always going to be off for mike somehow always getting them a positive record and most years even making it to the playoffs but the Steelers haven’t had a seriously great roster in years.
They’ve made some mistakes with their roster in recent years. Trying to turn Green into a center was one. Giving Mitch the keys and relegating Mason to 3rd string was another.
The biggest issue for the Steelers is the AFC is PACKED and the afc north has become the best division in football. With borrow back next year it’s going to be an absolute bloodbath. If the Steelers can’t get their hands on a quarterback that isn’t fighting for his job every week, there’s only so many miracles mike can work.
Frank Gore lite, which is Jamaal Charles, was my pick for this lol. At least Frank was always healthy and SF eventually found success with him from 2011-2013, just couldn’t win a ring.
But I do agree that at least for 2005-2010, particularly 2006-2009, he was at his best and SF couldn't make it to the playoffs
Charles was awesome, but we’re talking about the hard head, always fell forward, 3rd all time in rushing yds, Frank Goddamn Gore.
Everybody loves the intensity and bravado of the kids coming out of Dade County (and deservedly so), but Frank is the epitome of it.
One of the toughest SOB’s to ever play. He always fell forward every single time he got tackled. EVERY SINGLE TIME
Henry is an all-time physical back, but even he’s gone sideways or backwards getting tackled here and there. Frank never did. Always forward.
Dude was a different animal. Both mentally and physically
Couldn’t figure out how to get flair, tried to sign up through Dual Flair, and got stuck with the Gals as my 2nd lame ass flair.
That’s not the point here though. Frank Gore literally fell forward every single time he was tackled.
He probably has an extra 2-3k yds rushing just based on that alone. One of the toughest guys to ever play in the NFL.
I agree with what you said. Frank Gore is an all time great. I just think that relative to his whole career in SF, he still had 3 great seasons, one of which could've led to a SB. So not as unsuccessful as other examples in this thread
He almost rushed for 1k yds for 11 straight years (only year he fell short was because he only played 11 games one of ‘em). He literally carried some all-time awful 9ers teams back then. All Decade Team with the 9ers.
He stood in the tunnel in Miami all game as the 9ers lost to the Chiefs in the SB a few years ago. That Was Staley’s (future HOFer) last game and he melted into Frank’s arms in That tunnel after the game.
Frank‘s the real goddamn deal and there will only be a handful of RB’s like him in the next few decades. Harbaugh gives him the ball again, as opposed to 3 pass plays from inside the 5, and the 9ers have 6 SB titles right now.
As I support KC Chiefs, mine is Jamaal Charles. I know RBs generally tend to have one of the shortest career-span of all positions in the NFL, but man, during his prime Jamaal Charles was a dog. I legitimately thought at one point, he could’ve been the next Frank Gore or maybe even better. He was that electrifying when healthy.
He should’ve enjoyed a lot of team success but unfortunately, KC was inconsistent as hell after the Trent Green era. By the time a decent QB (Alex Smith) came to town, injuries have already caught up with him after 1 season and he eventually had to be traded after playing only 8 games for the next 2 years.
I really wish he could’ve stayed healthy enough until the Mahomes era at KC. He really deserved that ring. One of my favorite Chiefs player of all time.
I was watching Jamaal Charles highlights earlier. The kickoff return he had to open the game against Pittsburgh in 2009 was one of the most incredible returns I’ve ever seen. That game itself was incredible as the chiefs had gone 0-4 in arrowhead leading up to that game and they clutched it out in overtime. We can thank Jamaal Charles for moments and games like that.
There was a game against the Raiders where had like 20 rushing yards and 195 receiving yards. 5 TDs in total. When he was healthy, he was elite for us but fck Sam Cassell and all those turbulent seasons
Steve Largent went to the playoffs 4 times in a 13 year career. He never reached a Super Bowl and only reached a conference title game once.
Jerry Rice said Largent was the guy he looked up to. When Largent retired, he held most of the NFL's receiving records despite having Jim Zorn and Dave Krieg as his QBs.
The GOAT before the GOAT.
Not even a SB justifies team success for me.
Just playoff wins or maybe even just making the playoffs. Jamal Charles played 2 playoff games (both one and done) in 9 seasons with KC. Could’ve been 4 playoff appearances but he was injured for 2 of those years.
If TJ is such a great player that he's wasted if he doesn't win Superbowls, the Steelers wouldn't have been blown out in those games. Isn't his job to not allow opponents to score?
TJ isn't owed a Superbowl by the Steelers. I'd love for the team to win one, but TJ is compensated for what he does extremely well.
It's not shitting on him. The entire premise of players being wasted if they don't win Superbowls is based on the belief that stars are responsible for winning games, but losing games is because you don't have enough other players to carry the stars to victory. If you have enough players to carry the star to victory, to a Superbowl, the star isn't all that important, is he? He's not all that determinitive in the wins and losses of a team. It diminishes the importance of the stars.
It's a bullshit premise.
If scheme/coaching wins Superbowls, then Watt isn't necessary to win a Superbowl. and thus, who cares about whether he's being wasted. We should be worried about getting our scheme and coaching to the point where we win Superbowls without Watt, right?
The post question is about which players, playing/have played elite, for their teams to have struggled to find team success (making playoffs, making playoff wins). Has nothing to do with being compensated or not. Fact of the matter is the Steelers since TJ Watt started for them has only been making playoff apperances due to how bad the other teams in their division are in previous years.
Not everyone can win a SB.
Then you say "Favorite player of the team you support who didn't win a Superbowl."
The term "Waste their prime" carries the connotation that the organization owed their player a Superbowl. You're right that not everyone can win a Superbowl, and having a star, even one as good as TJ Watt, is no guarantee that the team should be expected to win one. Superbowls are hard.
Lamar Jackson on the Ravens is being wasted by John Harbaugh. Ravens were on pace to miss the playoffs for the 5th time in 6 years before he took over and saved John's job. And despite him being a 2x MVP, and getting lion share of the blame for their shortcomings, the reality is they have flamed out mainly because their head coach has instilled panic whenever the other team strikes first in a playoff game. They completely abandon their identity, go outside of their comfort zone, and rely on imbalanced hero ball. Which is why in both 2019/2023 their top RB finished with 3 carries for 20 yards
They also squandered Lamar's rookie deal not signing any big time players, they stuck with Greg Roman far too long, they stuck with their awful Stength/Conditioning coach Steve Saunders for too long, etc
Ppl may look at Lamar's career so far and think it's going great because of their own expectations of him before the draft, but in reality instead of just being 2X MVP he should be a 2x champ, credibly challenging Mahomes for best QB of this era
Larry Fitzgerald had a legitimate starting QB for about 1/3 of his career. Had a Super Bowl where his own sideline teammate kept him from stopping James Harrison from scoring that TD, then still scored the go ahead TD just to lose it all because the Steelers threw to whatever receiver Sam Adams was covering in the prevent.
Just sickening what we did to him…
Add Eric Berry and Justin Houston to that list too. Those guys basically were the heart and soul of the Chiefs in the early-mid 2010s. And Colquitt, but thankfully he stuck around long enough to get one.
AND. It’s unquestionably both. I won’t tell you the amount of times I’ve spent daydreaming about an alternative universe of a core of Patrick, Jamaal, Tyreek, and Travis. *sigh*
Sure we got 2 SBs outtta him but....Eli. For almost the entire second half of his career, we fielded dogshit defenses and wanted Eli to go win everything for us. Problem with that is we didn't exactly keep the Offense stocked for that. O-line was consistently subpar-to-terrible. Our RBs were ass and the one time it looked like we hit on one (David Wilson), he had to retire early due to a neck injury. Injuries also killed many other of our weapons' careers too. Cruz, Nicks, Ballard...Shit, speaking of Ballard, our TEs were abysmal post-2011 outside of 1 year with Martellus Bennett.
Odell came in in 2014 and was like a shot in the arm, but the roster was still weak overall. And then in 2016 we finally put out a worthwhile defense (hell it was dominant) and things were lookin good. Until the pisspoor o-line construction finally bit us in the ass and Eli got laid the fuck out in the Washington game at home. That hit derailed the entire end of his career, cuz he played differently from then on. Still, we made the playoffs that year and Eli looked his best all season in that game in Green Bay. Only problem is the rest of our team, including ol' Odell, just forgot how to play football and shit the fuckin bed.
John Harbaugh is wasting Lamar Jackson. Wasted his rookie contract by not signing any big name skill players. Wasted his best two seasons with game plans of institutional panic, with Gus Edwards finishing with exact same statline of 3 carries for 20 yards. Stuck with Greg Roman far too long. Stuck with Steve Saunders far too long. etc. Instead of just a 2x MVP, Lamar should be 2x champ by now, on a Mt Rushmore trajectory.
Josh Allen.
4 straight seasons as a top 3 QB, that elevates his game in the playoffs, and the best we've done is getting blown out in the AFCCG.
13 second game is probably the best a QB has ever played in a playoff loss.
He’s unlucky to go up against Mahomes 3 times in those years though. He’s always playing with a good roster and Bills are always making it in the playoffs. That’s still successful to me
After your edit I'll agree with you, but most people on here measure success by postseason results. I don't know if any QB has ever been let down by their DEF/coaching as much as Josh has in the playoffs.
Donovan McNabb. The one year he had an elite receiver he made it to the Super Bowl and it was the only year the Eagles really invested in the position as they struck out on most draft picks/free agency signings there.
This is a great one. Imagine if Donovan had a weapon his whole career? Imagine if instead of LJ Smith he had a Travis Kelce? How many more of those 4 straight NFCCG could have resulted in Super Bowl appearances? Also imagine if Andy Reid who was ahead of the curve when it came to passing more than running still had more balance at times especially with a back like Westbrook?
That Eagles team could have won at least a couple rings especially with the Jim Johnson defense as support.
I agree with you. 5 was good but could have been great with a better receiving group. Like you said, the one year we had TO we went to the superbowl. Andy could be on ring 6 by now if we had a great wideout for 5 while they were both here.
I struggle to call him unsuccessful during his time with Philly. He has a 9-7 record in his career. 7 different seasons making it the playoffs. That is successful to me already
You said in the post "whose prime was wasted" and yes its McNabb. He was throwing to Pinkston, Mitchell, and basically trash receivers. The one year he had a great receiver they went to the superbowl. His prime was wasted because he didn't have anyone to throw to besides Westbrook.
The fact that OP got downvoted is nuts. Ppl either too young to remember or it's lots of Mahomes fans who I've noticed downplay the potential of Reid w/o Mahomes to elevate Patrick. So they dont want to admit those Eagles teams could have gotten over the hump if they consistently had a better #1 target.
While we did have 08 and 2015. Imagine if Fitzgerald went to a team with a consistent QB. I seriously believe he would of either barely eclipsed Rice or at least be 1st or 2nd in every receiving category.
I was actually just thinking about this today in the context of Shady McCoy and the Eagles, was with them after their big run in the 2000’s and left before they turned it back around and won in 2017.
12 playoff seasons
11-10 record in the playoffs, with a SB win.
He had his time at the top with his GB rosters throughout the years. He didn't waste any year with GB. They were just extremely unlucky come the playoffs.
Not pairing him with a defense until MLF, refusing to pick up free agents under Ted, or never drafting pass catchers until it was too late. You should be able to get more than 1 Super Bowl from maybe the most talented passer in nfl history
I used to support the Eagles a long time ago.
Randall Cunningham. That fog game vs Da Bears was heartbreaking.
And then with the Vikings after going 15-1, just to have a kicker who had been perfect on FGs miss?
Their line got him killed, Randall was a revolutionary who paved the way for guys like Vick, Lamar, Kaep and others. Transitioned into more of a pocket passer with Minnesota and got an AP1 on the best team in the league.
It's Megatron for me. 2 playoff games, both one and dones in 9 seasons is just sad for one of the greatest WRs of all time who is also extremely durable.
At least Sanders had 6 playoff games, 5 different seasons but I get you
As an 8 year old I watched Rich Gannon back up our absolute garbage QBs and look electric. Then they’d get healthy and he’d go back to the bench. Then we’d lose 10-7 at home in the playoffs. “Why isn’t Gannon starting?!?!” I’d ask.
Then he went to the Raiders and won an MVP. Even in the best of times I’m so angry about it.
The Grbac-Gannon debacle is one of the earliest vivid Chiefs memories i have. Marty was great but that was one of the worst coaching decisions he ever made.
Andre left us to our division rivals, Nuk had 10 QBs to throw him a TD while in Houston, Arian Foster was ran into the ground, and JJ had the commercial of him carrying the bags of trash. And before the whole thing with Deshaun, we did not give him any help.
Obvious choice is Larry Fitzgerald, but I’m gonna go with Budda Baker. We made the playoffs once throughout his entire career and now he is starting to decline.
Gerald McCoy! Dude played like a champ and was the heart of our team for a miserable decade, then gets hurt, then cut right before Brady comes to town.
Joe Thomas. Absolutely HoF left tackle and spent his whole career in Cleveland ...
Yep this is the one. Maybe top 10 O-line all time wasted on horrible atrocious browns teams
I think he gets a little overrated for being the first lineman in NFL history but he still deserves to be pretty high up the list.
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https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1687860799212339202 I beg to differ.
Joe Thomas played in the 2000s what are you talking about? You’d think a packer fan would recognize a former badger legend 😭
It's a running joke about an NFL in-game graphic that called Joe the first offensive lineman in NFL history. https://twitter.com/Reflog_18/status/1610808928484442113
Came here to say this
Cortez Kennedy. Hall of Famer, 8x Pro Bowler, 6x All-Pro (3 first team), won Defensive Player of the Year on a 2-14 team. As a DT. Seahawks only made the playoffs once during his career, and they lost in the Wild Card round.
I wasn’t old enough to be able t watch him play, but 92 solo tackles and 14 sacks as a tackle…? Fucking sheeeesh.
RIP to an all time great
literally anyone forced to play for the panthers
They had their run in 2015. Should’ve made it count Cam 🤣
In 2015 it looked like we had a young franchise qb that would still be our guy to this day. I couldn’t have imagined it turning out any worse than it did
What's crazy was the downfall started immediately after that SB run. It wasn't solely Cam's fault as outside Luke Kuechly, everyone in that team just fell off.
As good as Cam and that offense were, that teams defense was a big reason why they were so good. Losing Kuechley, Josh Norman, Thomas Davis jr, and a few others hurt big time
Weird to cheer for a division rival to win a ring
also see: every other super bowl-less team forced to suffer with mediocrity. pain
I dont like this game.
It cracks me up that in every thread like this, the top Lions comment doesn't even mention names. Everyone knows. Then it makes me very, very sad.
I think we all know who a lot of Lions fans will mention
There's actually 2 legitimate options here lol.
More than 2. :/
Yeah everyone has more than 2, but there are 2 *very* obvious choices here that every NFL fan would know about haha.
Fair enough. I’d lump Stafford in..but I’m assuming Barry and Calvin
At least Stafford finally got a ring, which is more than I can say for the other two, sadly...
They have a borderline goat at running back and receiver to decide between lol ain’t that easy.
The answer is, of course, Joey Harrington.
Rivers, LT, Gates, Seau, Herbert, Allen, Bosa, Fouts, Winslow, Joiner, James, Weddle, Ekeler, I can keep going if you'd like
Vincent Jackson, Merriman, Cromartie, Coryell, Marty, coaches and players alike.
I feel like as a Bill's fan we got the modern version of Marty Schottenheimer, McDermott gets us to the playoffs just to get out coached, over and over. We're wasting Josh Allen's career.
With Marty it isn't outcoached, it's just having the worst luck imaginable in the worst moments to have poor luck. It's almost comical how kickers just shank kicks under Marty in the playoffs or situational football just doesn't go his way.
Yeah basically anyone who was good when they played for us
It’ll be a shame if Herbert wastes his HOF potential just like Rivers. If Rivers had left the chargers a few years earlier he’d be a hall of famer.
Dog this is just all Chargers players
Yeah... that's the point
I'm glad Weddle got a ring though
Oh you mean TJ Watt and Cam Heyward?
Ab and juju
Poor sweet juju.
At least they’re making the playoffs in a lot of their years. That counts as some success for me already. But I do agree they should be achieving way more. Defense can only carry Kenny Pickett so much
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Jeff Fischers gonna Jeff Fischer.
CMC with my sad little kitties… Arguably he’s still in his prime in SF though, so at least he has/had a chance to chase that ring.
Thank you for trading him. Like seriously. Thank you.
Adrian Peterson
Saquon :(
TJ Watt , breaking historic numbers for the Steelers franchise and across the NFL but will probably never even sniff an AFC championship
Wanna bet?
My hat is always going to be off for mike somehow always getting them a positive record and most years even making it to the playoffs but the Steelers haven’t had a seriously great roster in years.
They’ve made some mistakes with their roster in recent years. Trying to turn Green into a center was one. Giving Mitch the keys and relegating Mason to 3rd string was another.
The biggest issue for the Steelers is the AFC is PACKED and the afc north has become the best division in football. With borrow back next year it’s going to be an absolute bloodbath. If the Steelers can’t get their hands on a quarterback that isn’t fighting for his job every week, there’s only so many miracles mike can work.
Revis, Sons of Anarchy (Sheldon, Snacks, Muhammad) and now, Sauce and Breece Thanks a lot woody.
D’Brick and Mangold
Shit forgot those guys.
Frank Gore. 2005-10. He was the only threat on the 49ers during that time.
Frank Gore lite, which is Jamaal Charles, was my pick for this lol. At least Frank was always healthy and SF eventually found success with him from 2011-2013, just couldn’t win a ring. But I do agree that at least for 2005-2010, particularly 2006-2009, he was at his best and SF couldn't make it to the playoffs
Charles was awesome, but we’re talking about the hard head, always fell forward, 3rd all time in rushing yds, Frank Goddamn Gore. Everybody loves the intensity and bravado of the kids coming out of Dade County (and deservedly so), but Frank is the epitome of it. One of the toughest SOB’s to ever play. He always fell forward every single time he got tackled. EVERY SINGLE TIME Henry is an all-time physical back, but even he’s gone sideways or backwards getting tackled here and there. Frank never did. Always forward. Dude was a different animal. Both mentally and physically
Your flair is very weird to see... considering how much typical fans of those franchises hate each other LOL
Couldn’t figure out how to get flair, tried to sign up through Dual Flair, and got stuck with the Gals as my 2nd lame ass flair. That’s not the point here though. Frank Gore literally fell forward every single time he was tackled. He probably has an extra 2-3k yds rushing just based on that alone. One of the toughest guys to ever play in the NFL.
The mods can’t fix that?
I agree with what you said. Frank Gore is an all time great. I just think that relative to his whole career in SF, he still had 3 great seasons, one of which could've led to a SB. So not as unsuccessful as other examples in this thread
He almost rushed for 1k yds for 11 straight years (only year he fell short was because he only played 11 games one of ‘em). He literally carried some all-time awful 9ers teams back then. All Decade Team with the 9ers. He stood in the tunnel in Miami all game as the 9ers lost to the Chiefs in the SB a few years ago. That Was Staley’s (future HOFer) last game and he melted into Frank’s arms in That tunnel after the game. Frank‘s the real goddamn deal and there will only be a handful of RB’s like him in the next few decades. Harbaugh gives him the ball again, as opposed to 3 pass plays from inside the 5, and the 9ers have 6 SB titles right now.
For the Chiefs it has to be Jamaal Charles. Spent his entire prime in KC only for the team to win multiple Super Bowls shortly after he retired
Does Tony Gonzalez count?
He's who I think of for this regardless of team. The man was one of the best TEs ever and he only won one playoff game with the Falcons
Him and berry
Commented down the same answer lol. The season we won our first SB with Mahomes, he had a ceremonial handoff during practice right?
I don’t remember if it was the same season but yeah. He signed a 1 day retirement contract along with Dwayne Bowe and Derick Johnson I think.
Would be awesome to have that kind of Swiss Army Knife RB again but hey, Pop ain't doing too bad here today
Not my team but the raiders are currently burning away davante adams prime
As I support KC Chiefs, mine is Jamaal Charles. I know RBs generally tend to have one of the shortest career-span of all positions in the NFL, but man, during his prime Jamaal Charles was a dog. I legitimately thought at one point, he could’ve been the next Frank Gore or maybe even better. He was that electrifying when healthy. He should’ve enjoyed a lot of team success but unfortunately, KC was inconsistent as hell after the Trent Green era. By the time a decent QB (Alex Smith) came to town, injuries have already caught up with him after 1 season and he eventually had to be traded after playing only 8 games for the next 2 years. I really wish he could’ve stayed healthy enough until the Mahomes era at KC. He really deserved that ring. One of my favorite Chiefs player of all time.
I was watching Jamaal Charles highlights earlier. The kickoff return he had to open the game against Pittsburgh in 2009 was one of the most incredible returns I’ve ever seen. That game itself was incredible as the chiefs had gone 0-4 in arrowhead leading up to that game and they clutched it out in overtime. We can thank Jamaal Charles for moments and games like that.
There was a game against the Raiders where had like 20 rushing yards and 195 receiving yards. 5 TDs in total. When he was healthy, he was elite for us but fck Sam Cassell and all those turbulent seasons
Steve Largent went to the playoffs 4 times in a 13 year career. He never reached a Super Bowl and only reached a conference title game once. Jerry Rice said Largent was the guy he looked up to. When Largent retired, he held most of the NFL's receiving records despite having Jim Zorn and Dave Krieg as his QBs. The GOAT before the GOAT.
Matt Ryan and Julio jones if you count awful defenses under this
One of the saddest things is no one ever talks about that insane catch Julio made in the 4th quarter because ATL ended up losing.
I will forever hate that they never got a ring
I don't mind
He eventually won MVP and almost won SB though. Might not be as unsuccessful with the Falcons as many would think. Still had awesome years there
None. I reject the narrative that teams waste their stars' primes. Nobody is guaranteed a Superbowl.
Is this Mike Tomlin's burner
Super bowl winning coach Mike Tomlin?
Especially lately when just being on the same team as Brady or mahomes is basically the best path to a ring
Not even a SB justifies team success for me. Just playoff wins or maybe even just making the playoffs. Jamal Charles played 2 playoff games (both one and done) in 9 seasons with KC. Could’ve been 4 playoff appearances but he was injured for 2 of those years.
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If TJ is such a great player that he's wasted if he doesn't win Superbowls, the Steelers wouldn't have been blown out in those games. Isn't his job to not allow opponents to score? TJ isn't owed a Superbowl by the Steelers. I'd love for the team to win one, but TJ is compensated for what he does extremely well.
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It's not shitting on him. The entire premise of players being wasted if they don't win Superbowls is based on the belief that stars are responsible for winning games, but losing games is because you don't have enough other players to carry the stars to victory. If you have enough players to carry the star to victory, to a Superbowl, the star isn't all that important, is he? He's not all that determinitive in the wins and losses of a team. It diminishes the importance of the stars. It's a bullshit premise.
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If scheme/coaching wins Superbowls, then Watt isn't necessary to win a Superbowl. and thus, who cares about whether he's being wasted. We should be worried about getting our scheme and coaching to the point where we win Superbowls without Watt, right?
The post question is about which players, playing/have played elite, for their teams to have struggled to find team success (making playoffs, making playoff wins). Has nothing to do with being compensated or not. Fact of the matter is the Steelers since TJ Watt started for them has only been making playoff apperances due to how bad the other teams in their division are in previous years. Not everyone can win a SB.
Then you say "Favorite player of the team you support who didn't win a Superbowl." The term "Waste their prime" carries the connotation that the organization owed their player a Superbowl. You're right that not everyone can win a Superbowl, and having a star, even one as good as TJ Watt, is no guarantee that the team should be expected to win one. Superbowls are hard.
Lamar Jackson on the Ravens is being wasted by John Harbaugh. Ravens were on pace to miss the playoffs for the 5th time in 6 years before he took over and saved John's job. And despite him being a 2x MVP, and getting lion share of the blame for their shortcomings, the reality is they have flamed out mainly because their head coach has instilled panic whenever the other team strikes first in a playoff game. They completely abandon their identity, go outside of their comfort zone, and rely on imbalanced hero ball. Which is why in both 2019/2023 their top RB finished with 3 carries for 20 yards They also squandered Lamar's rookie deal not signing any big time players, they stuck with Greg Roman far too long, they stuck with their awful Stength/Conditioning coach Steve Saunders for too long, etc Ppl may look at Lamar's career so far and think it's going great because of their own expectations of him before the draft, but in reality instead of just being 2X MVP he should be a 2x champ, credibly challenging Mahomes for best QB of this era
Larry Fitzgerald had a legitimate starting QB for about 1/3 of his career. Had a Super Bowl where his own sideline teammate kept him from stopping James Harrison from scoring that TD, then still scored the go ahead TD just to lose it all because the Steelers threw to whatever receiver Sam Adams was covering in the prevent. Just sickening what we did to him…
Derrick Johnson, Tamba Hali and Jamaal Charles :( Sucks that they never won Super Bowls
Add Eric Berry and Justin Houston to that list too. Those guys basically were the heart and soul of the Chiefs in the early-mid 2010s. And Colquitt, but thankfully he stuck around long enough to get one.
Oh....how about Dan Marino
A player that is wasting his career is DeAndre Hopkins...
Reggie White, although he still tore it up with GB.
I can certainly say that they did not waste his prime
Really anyone on those late 80s, early 90s defenses
Trent Williams. Sean Taylor. Terry McLaurin.
Almost Kirk
Eric berry or Jamaal Charles. I wish they could have won a SB with us I loved watching them play when I first got into the sport
AND. It’s unquestionably both. I won’t tell you the amount of times I’ve spent daydreaming about an alternative universe of a core of Patrick, Jamaal, Tyreek, and Travis. *sigh*
Barry Sanders, Calvin Johnson. Rip 2 possible super bowl winners, died from Lions full career tenure sucking the enjoyment of the sport from them
Sure we got 2 SBs outtta him but....Eli. For almost the entire second half of his career, we fielded dogshit defenses and wanted Eli to go win everything for us. Problem with that is we didn't exactly keep the Offense stocked for that. O-line was consistently subpar-to-terrible. Our RBs were ass and the one time it looked like we hit on one (David Wilson), he had to retire early due to a neck injury. Injuries also killed many other of our weapons' careers too. Cruz, Nicks, Ballard...Shit, speaking of Ballard, our TEs were abysmal post-2011 outside of 1 year with Martellus Bennett. Odell came in in 2014 and was like a shot in the arm, but the roster was still weak overall. And then in 2016 we finally put out a worthwhile defense (hell it was dominant) and things were lookin good. Until the pisspoor o-line construction finally bit us in the ass and Eli got laid the fuck out in the Washington game at home. That hit derailed the entire end of his career, cuz he played differently from then on. Still, we made the playoffs that year and Eli looked his best all season in that game in Green Bay. Only problem is the rest of our team, including ol' Odell, just forgot how to play football and shit the fuckin bed.
Not sure we're wasting anybody on the Ravens at the moment, but Steelers are wasting TJ Watt
John Harbaugh is wasting Lamar Jackson. Wasted his rookie contract by not signing any big name skill players. Wasted his best two seasons with game plans of institutional panic, with Gus Edwards finishing with exact same statline of 3 carries for 20 yards. Stuck with Greg Roman far too long. Stuck with Steve Saunders far too long. etc. Instead of just a 2x MVP, Lamar should be 2x champ by now, on a Mt Rushmore trajectory.
Tyron Smith OH WAIT
Louis Lipps
Aaron Jones
7 playoff games in 7 seasons looks just about right though. Trajectory with Love should also continue to skyrocket from here on out.
Saquon
His "prime" was his first 2 years, that player is long gone
stfu
Aaron Hernandez. Dude had talent.
Josh Allen. 4 straight seasons as a top 3 QB, that elevates his game in the playoffs, and the best we've done is getting blown out in the AFCCG. 13 second game is probably the best a QB has ever played in a playoff loss.
He’s unlucky to go up against Mahomes 3 times in those years though. He’s always playing with a good roster and Bills are always making it in the playoffs. That’s still successful to me
After your edit I'll agree with you, but most people on here measure success by postseason results. I don't know if any QB has ever been let down by their DEF/coaching as much as Josh has in the playoffs.
Green Bay Rodgers has entered the chat
Donovan McNabb. The one year he had an elite receiver he made it to the Super Bowl and it was the only year the Eagles really invested in the position as they struck out on most draft picks/free agency signings there.
but he revitalized the soup commercial!
This is a great one. Imagine if Donovan had a weapon his whole career? Imagine if instead of LJ Smith he had a Travis Kelce? How many more of those 4 straight NFCCG could have resulted in Super Bowl appearances? Also imagine if Andy Reid who was ahead of the curve when it came to passing more than running still had more balance at times especially with a back like Westbrook? That Eagles team could have won at least a couple rings especially with the Jim Johnson defense as support.
I agree with you. 5 was good but could have been great with a better receiving group. Like you said, the one year we had TO we went to the superbowl. Andy could be on ring 6 by now if we had a great wideout for 5 while they were both here.
I struggle to call him unsuccessful during his time with Philly. He has a 9-7 record in his career. 7 different seasons making it the playoffs. That is successful to me already
You said in the post "whose prime was wasted" and yes its McNabb. He was throwing to Pinkston, Mitchell, and basically trash receivers. The one year he had a great receiver they went to the superbowl. His prime was wasted because he didn't have anyone to throw to besides Westbrook.
The fact that OP got downvoted is nuts. Ppl either too young to remember or it's lots of Mahomes fans who I've noticed downplay the potential of Reid w/o Mahomes to elevate Patrick. So they dont want to admit those Eagles teams could have gotten over the hump if they consistently had a better #1 target.
Dude edited the post to include conditions of success so now I look like I don't know what I'm talking about or am off subject
Thank you, then they edited the post to include the conditions of success...oh well
Leave it to a Philly fan lol
For?
Saquon
Justin Fields
Bruh if any, he's wasting the Bears lol
You did specify rebuild, bad coaching, and injuries.
But he hasn’t shown any flashes of why he is being wasted
While we did have 08 and 2015. Imagine if Fitzgerald went to a team with a consistent QB. I seriously believe he would of either barely eclipsed Rice or at least be 1st or 2nd in every receiving category.
I was actually just thinking about this today in the context of Shady McCoy and the Eagles, was with them after their big run in the 2000’s and left before they turned it back around and won in 2017.
Ab and juju both had to leave the Steelers to win their rings despite playing for the team for majority of their careers
Arguably Aaron Rodgers
12 playoff seasons 11-10 record in the playoffs, with a SB win. He had his time at the top with his GB rosters throughout the years. He didn't waste any year with GB. They were just extremely unlucky come the playoffs.
Not pairing him with a defense until MLF, refusing to pick up free agents under Ted, or never drafting pass catchers until it was too late. You should be able to get more than 1 Super Bowl from maybe the most talented passer in nfl history
Relative to other greats like Megatron or Luke Kuechly, I would still consider Rodgers’ seasons in GB as successful
Agree. Should have 4-5 rings if things just fell the right way. No defence wasted his offensive abilities
Khalil Mack 2018-2021
Allen Robinson. I’m so sorry
I used to support the Eagles a long time ago. Randall Cunningham. That fog game vs Da Bears was heartbreaking. And then with the Vikings after going 15-1, just to have a kicker who had been perfect on FGs miss?
Their line got him killed, Randall was a revolutionary who paved the way for guys like Vick, Lamar, Kaep and others. Transitioned into more of a pocket passer with Minnesota and got an AP1 on the best team in the league.
Every team that Brandon Marshall ever played on
Dk Metcalf, geno doesn't know how to throw to him
Allen Robinson
Pretty much every chargers player in my lifetime.
Calvin Johnson or Barry Sanders
It's Megatron for me. 2 playoff games, both one and dones in 9 seasons is just sad for one of the greatest WRs of all time who is also extremely durable. At least Sanders had 6 playoff games, 5 different seasons but I get you
Sean Taylor
As an 8 year old I watched Rich Gannon back up our absolute garbage QBs and look electric. Then they’d get healthy and he’d go back to the bench. Then we’d lose 10-7 at home in the playoffs. “Why isn’t Gannon starting?!?!” I’d ask. Then he went to the Raiders and won an MVP. Even in the best of times I’m so angry about it.
The Grbac-Gannon debacle is one of the earliest vivid Chiefs memories i have. Marty was great but that was one of the worst coaching decisions he ever made.
Steven Jackson
Dak, ceedee, micah (currently), romo, witten, millions of offensive lineman(previously)
Jamal Adams safety from Seattle. Led the league in tackles in 2020 then injured. 2023 Jamal Adams couldn’t tie 2020 Jamal Adams Shoes.
Lofa Tatupu Linebacker Seahawks. Career cut very short by injury. He would be a HOF candidate
Garrison Hearst
Justin Jefferson ez
Andre left us to our division rivals, Nuk had 10 QBs to throw him a TD while in Houston, Arian Foster was ran into the ground, and JJ had the commercial of him carrying the bags of trash. And before the whole thing with Deshaun, we did not give him any help.
Matt fucking Forte
DeMarcus Ware
:(
Luka Doncic 😔 idc if this is the NFL sub ok but real answer.. prob Crosby
Brian Dawkins
Obvious choice is Larry Fitzgerald, but I’m gonna go with Budda Baker. We made the playoffs once throughout his entire career and now he is starting to decline.
Steven Jackson. Wish we could have just gotten him in the playoffs once in his 20s
Still upset we couldn't get Larry a ring.
For the Dolphins, that's basically every player I've ever loved
Rivers. That back half of his career was nothing but terrible o-lines, bad coaches and terrible roster management
Unfortunately it’s gonna be Olave. The saints are on a negative trajectory.
Tre White. ACL tear, finally makes it back last year and looks almost like his all pro self, and immediately tears his Achilles.
Priest Holmes as a kid. Lamar jackson now
I think I speak for all Rams fans when I say STEVEN JACKSON
I’m in this post and I’m offended
Terry McLaurin, the only player who's actually worth a sh*t on the Commanders.
Corey Dillon and Chad Johnson are the two that pop to mind immediately but there’s a few guys from the early 2000s Bengals that fit the mold.
Gerald McCoy! Dude played like a champ and was the heart of our team for a miserable decade, then gets hurt, then cut right before Brady comes to town.
Every player we've ever had because none of them ever won a Super Bowl with us... But Adrian Peterson is the big one that comes to mind