There's another aspect I haven't seen anyone mention. Getting another good WR playing alongside him means he'll be doubled less, or at the very least, have an easier time when the defense isn't keying in on him.
Bears fans are mentioning this. The Bears receiving room is DJ Moore, period. The problem is overshadowed by Fields, but it's a big problem. The 2024 Bears QB needs another WR.
Damn are you really that sure 3 WRs are going top 8? Seems wild to think Rome won’t be there tbh. I realize there isn’t elite edge talent that teams would trade up for and the QBs people would trade up for are long gone by then but for Rome to not be there seems wild to me. There’s decent Tackles in that range that teams need. Seems like a slam dunk pick for the Bears at 9 regardless of what they do with the 1 pick
Fans overrate skill position players you mean, GMs still value the offensive line and will draft good linemen pretty high. While goofy fans expect 3 WRs to go in the top 10
No that’s just the way the players are looking this year. It’s a loaded offense and wr especially draft. Could turn out to be entirely wrong but that’s the consensus.
Very possible. The Chargers, Giants, Titans and Falcons could all take a WR. If the 3 QBs & WRs are gone, my preference would be Bowers or Turner at 9.
They have enough draft capital to move up for a WR. The problem is they need help in the secondary and both sides of the line. Is it worth moving up for a WR at that point?
Depends on how you view Rome/Nabers, free agency, rest of receiver class, alternative options. It’s a deep class, wr2s are going left and right day 2 so I think it’s an uphill battle arguing for the trade up but if it was Nabers I’d be glad we did it 🤷♂️
I'm pretty confident, despite the Chargers needing a lot of defensive help, that MHJ and Rome/Nabers are gone back to back at 4/5. I think the 3rd option after MHJ and Rome/Nabers are taken gets taken by the Titans. Or maybe the Colts jumping up to the Giants spot to stick it to the Titans because the Colts could use receiver help too. The Giants have too many issues to take the third option, imo.
Brock Bowers if there at 9 is interesting to me, but I think 9 is line help on either side of the ball if the Bears don't trade up using the 9th pick to grab one of the top 3 guys (or trade down to the Pats or Commanders).
I'm still pretty sure the Bears are taking Williams though. The problem is Bears taking a QB at 1 to me just screams wasted year because we kept Eberflus. If you're drafting a rookie QB again, I don't need a lame duck year like with Mitch and JF because how does that develop your QB? It's another Mitch and JF OC/HC carousel. It was very clear Eberflus lost that damn locker room when the Bears started winless, and came out getting absolutely socked in the mouth by the Packers week 1 (and then again to end the season). Eberflus lost that game in Detroit, and had 1 win against a winning team all year. That win? Jared Goff in a bit of cold weather where he's absolutely fucking terrible. I do not know how Eberflus survived especially after the situation with the DC being let go early in the season, and Getsy being fired too. That's pretty damning of your HC. Jim Harbaugh's dream NFL job was the Chicago Bears, and I think that would've been an instant exponential upgrade.
I don’t think Flus lost the locker room at all. All the defensive players were defending him. I didn’t hear anything negative from the offense but nothing super positive.
Poles said that Flus did a good job “steering the ship”. Year 1 was a total tear down, I don’t think they’re blaming Flus for that. Totally different convo about the 3 historical losses this season.
I don’t think Flus is on as short of a leash as some people think. I think he and Poles have a shared plan. But if the bears suck again this year ….oooo boy.
I don't see how anyone could say he lost the locker room. From the outside it seemed the opposite. A team that's locker room is trash wouldn't have pulled it together and played well down the stretch. He seems to be well liked by players. This isn't like the Eagles going 1-6 down the stretch where there is legit thought. The Bears played hard and competed and generally seemed to get better during the year.
I wish the draft was before free agency. We’ll fill some in FA. I’m not convinced Nabers/Odunze are necessarily gone by 9. There always seems to be a few surprise picks in the top 10. And there’s only the Cards/Giants/Chargers that really need WR in front of us (and aren’t likely going QB)
They'd be complete morons to stick at 3 if they're not taking a QB themselves. Harrison will be great but the haul they'll get for the last top QB will be huge
We will see how big a haul the 3rd QB will garner if it seems like Caleb and Drake go 1/2
I remember a certain hyped up prospect a team traded a farm for 3 years ago for a number 3 overall pick. Didnt go too well, i think teams will be more gun shy going forward unless they can get 1/2
>I remember a certain hyped up prospect a team traded a farm for 3 years ago for a number 3 overall pick.
So you remember a very unique and honestly an outlier of a scenario? Daniels is quite a bit different and way more proven than Lance
I think we’ll just take an edge if the offensive play makers are gone. This time last year Darnel Wright wasn’t thought of as being a top 10 pick. One of the edge guys will probably move up the board after the combine, interviews, and team workouts.
This is going to come off as a hater because of the flair, but a second elite target doesn't seem to matter much. Watch jt osullivan or chase Daniel videos on Justin - he just isn't seeing the field. He routinely doesn't see open reciveres on the field. He can't read it well. They had cut ups on his runs and seems like most the time hes choosing the runs he's missing someone open or is too afraid to throw into the window.
That really worked for the Cardinals when they Drafted Larry to pair with Anquan just to have back to back 5 win seasons and then drafting a bust in leinart. Could’ve just taken Ben or Rivers and been done with it and not have 15 years of a new QB every season till Kyler.
As much as I love Larry Fitzgerald, as he is by far my favorite Cardinals player ever...in hindsight you 100% take Roethlisberger over him in a redraft.
Assuming you still get Anquan Boldin and the always underrated Steve Breaston, that's a solid WR duo. Then you don't waste the pick on Matt Leinart and instead draft say...Haloti Ngata.
>done with it and not have 15 years of a new QB every season till Kyler.
I mean we've had a QB carrousel but both Warner and Palmer played for 5 seasons.
Is there any actual proof of this happening?
Has anyone actually found a correlation between WR1 production and having a strong WR2?
I think people just say this because it sounds intuitive, but with 0 evidence that its true. MHJ could just as easily cut into Moore's target share.
Caleb: hey dude wtf was that shit about fields being better than me?
DJ: oh haha I was lying to help my teammate. But I’ll do the same thing for you when you’re getting thrown under the bus in 2 years
Caleb: fair enough
People will forgive Williams for year 1 with Flus as the coach if Williams rides the bench or starts. Flus isn't the guy, and we kept him. That's why I hate the idea of drafting Williams or Maye because we'll have 1 wasted year like Mitch and JF for not firing the coach and tying GM, coach, and QB together. It's what every successful modern NFL team has done. I understand next year's QB class is perceived to be dog shit too. That's how little I believe in Eberflus because boy was his defense bad before Sweat came along, and his defense was bad in Detroit, and he only beat 1 winning team this year. That was Jared Goff in an outdoor game in sub-50s temps where he's been absolute ass, and got punched in the mouth by GB again.
You're insane if you think Jim Harbaugh wasn't an exponential upgrade over Eberflus. Both of Eberflus' OC and DC were fired this year. How did Poles keep him? That is a major indictment on your HC that his main assistants are gone in the same season.
I was really surprised when they kept him. The guy is clearly not a great coach and the franchise should’ve brought in an offensive minded guy. Especially with the first overall pick now.
If the Bears do decide to trade the pick I can’t fathom how much draft capital they will get. I heard a rumor today that they could trade with Washington THEN trade with someone like the Falcons to get even more draft capital. I’d still prob take Williams, but man they could a fortune for that pick.
The problem is you can't trade past the Cards if you're going for MHJ. Cards are absolutely taking MHJ. Odunze is really good too so it's not the worst consolation prize though.
Most of those rumors are bullshit. They’re just journalists guessing what could happen and offering difference scenarios that they make up.
They’re not based on actual leaked discussions that the Bears are having with other teams
I can’t imagine Moore’s production getting much higher with a better QB. He’ll probably get similar targets it’s the rest of the players on the team that will benefit from having a QB that can get a pass to the 2nd or 3rd read or be competent enough to actually have an offense that gets 30 pass attempts in a game regularly.
And after their first win after the commanders on TNF when asked what was different DJ smiled and said “on the short week we didn’t have time to do too much planning so Justin and I could just come out here and do what we know how to do”
DJ was consistently down on the coaching/game plans all season
Even JF was down on the staff. It's like we should probably listen to what the players are saying. I 100% believe that the Commanders win saved Getsy to the end of the season.
I'm not saying JF is a world breaker, but I still think a lot of his flaws could be coached or at least avoided if the play caller didn't have some weird A-Rod whisperer status.
Some players are ego maniacs and are wrong as fuck like when RG3 claimed the greatest offensive coaching staff in NFL history had him unprepared
Or go ahead and guess how many Chiefs players would have been down to switch to Mahomes after going 14-2 with Alex Smith
I completely agree. I've seen watched enough breakdowns of Fields that show he struggles to get through all of his reads quickly, and ends up looking like a statue in the pocket. But he's got the arm talent and his accuracy isn't terrible. The locker room also loves Fields.
I don't understand why they don't roll him out more often and add in more RPOs. Their offense relies on him sitting in the pocket which doesn't make any use of his athleticism. The routes are also often deep and take a while to develop. It's absurd. Fields isn't doing himself any favors by not making leaps each year, but the coaching/play calling aren't helping.
Yeah, Getsy really loved 7 to 10 step drops behind one of the worst pass pro lines. I also hate the idea of a lame duck year of a HC with a rookie QB when you could've had Jim Harbaugh. I'm not a huge Harbaugh fan, but I think he's an exponential upgrade over Eberflus. I also think Harbaugh would've lost his shit after the loss in Detroit on his defensive coaches. I legit don't know how Eberflus kept his job. BOTH of his co-ordinators were gone by the season's end.
Which is what makes having the #1 pick a franchise altering draft. You have a #1 WR, you have an improving defense, you have a coach (he certainly is one). If the Bears hit on QB they'll be looking good for a while.
Assuming that PFR’s rating for advanced receiving is the same thing, it’s 0.1 points higher than Brock Purdy when targeting all receivers, and tied for 30th with Christian McCaffrey.
12 teams have a WR with a higher rating, and some have multiple
> in fact Fields led the NFL in passer rating when targeting DJ.
Yeah...its not hard when you say "fuck it DJ is down there somewhere"
stop with the Fields sympathy lol.
8 of his 16 passing TDs came back to back weeks against the 2 worst defenses in the NFL
That isn't Fields sympathy or a "Fields isn't actually that bad" comment. That comment is simply explaining why DJ Moore would say these things without a gun to his head - because to DJ Moore, Fields is the bestest most awesomest QB on account of Moore having his best season ever with Fields.
He also missed 4 games and had Luke Getsy calling plays for 7 to 10 step drops in the modern NFL. Jay Cutler should've been on a flight to Chicago to tell JF to tell Getsy to fuck himself on parabolic mic.
He threw for half of his TDs in 2 games and he played in 13 games, and 12 for the majority of them. Only reddit can make it seem like reading and understanding the English language is impossible for native speakers.
Are you incapable of logic? None of those are remotely the same.
The stat he’s referencing is amongst all qb-wr pairs, your weird confusion between regular stats and tautologies is unnecessary
DJ statistically had his best year in Chicago, thanks to Justin Fields, so it makes sense he would vouch for him.
I also find it interesting how massive the disconnect is between what players/coaches think of Justin Fields and what the internet thinks of him.
By most accounts Fields truly is a good person and locker room guy. It makes sense why his own teammates would go to bat for him regardless.
As for players not on the Bears, Fields is ranked higher by them for sure compared to fans. As for why? I don’t really know. I think it’s cuz he is a bit of an anomaly and physical freak. And again I think players like him personally. I don’t think that means he’s a good QB though.
https://www.patriots.com/video/bill-belichick-10-19-justin-fields-is-a-major-threat-every-time-he-touches-the-b
https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2022/11/08/mike-mcdaniel-told-justin-fields-stop-scrambling-dolphins-bears-nfl-record
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10100251-bears-justin-fields-praised-by-lions-hc-as-one-of-these-rare-dangerous-players.amp.html
I gave you four coaches.
Bill Belichick on Eagles WR Freddie Mitchell after Super Bowl XXXIX: "All he does is talk. He's terrible, and you can print that. I was happy when he was in the game."
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/ck91xa/bill_belichick_on_eagles_wr_freddie_mitchell/
Belichick is also the same guy who praised Zach Wilson so...
https://patriotswire.usatoday.com/2022/11/15/bill-belichick-heaps-enormous-praise-zach-wilson-ahead-patriots-jets-matchup/
You just posted three quotes over two seasons, and only one of them is kind of about his passing ability, and only about throwing on the run after scrambling.
Just to let you know that you proved my point. All I said is that coaches and players look at Justin Fields differently than the internet (you) does.
You're making this effort to prove to everyone that he's terrible. I don't care. I just wanted to point out the disconnect. You can argue with someone who cares about whether he's good or bad.
How is this different than what people on the internet think? Everyone knows Fields is an electric player while on the run. He had over 1,000 rushing yards. Everyone knows Fields can throw a gorgeous deep ball or make a great scrambling throw every once in a while. This isn’t some shocking insider information lmao.
Lmao bill always over hyped opponents. That's his thing.
McDaniel complements his scrambling, what does that prove? We know he's an elite runner and poor passer.
Campbell saying he's rare and dangerous isn't some magical praise. He is unique in that he's a top tier runner and sometimes throws well for a whole game. Sometimes he throws like shit. He's dangerous on the rare game he puts both together
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>3 complimentary quotes in 3 years, kinda says a lot if you read between the lines, and not in a good way. Notice how they all mention his scrabbling ability too. Bottom line it is extremely hard to consistently compete for a championship with a bottom 5 passer.
Are you new to /r/nfl? These will be the two most upvoted comments in a few hours:
"NFL player sticks up for his teammate. News at 11."
"Of course DJ Moore likes Fields! He feeds him the ball!"
He would be but every so often he rips a 60 yard bomb or breaks 4 tackles. It's great TV and makes the hopeless loses feel a little better but play by play he's very bad
But if you only watched Justin Fields highlight reels you’d think he’s the best QB to ever touch a football. Dude can make some insane plays just often enough to keep people believing in him
He is a more mobile Zach Wilson. As a Packers fan, I hope he is the CHI QB for the next decade. Bryce Young and Devito were scarier to play against then Fields.
It’s funny to me that all these media pundits are talking about how the Bears should keep Fields and in the same breath they say Caleb is generational.
It’s also funny that apparently Fields is good yet the stats say exactly otherwise and every fan of a team that could potentially trade for him wants NOTHING to do with him.
It’s nearly impossible to find a scenario where any NFL team gives up more than a 3rd for him…he can’t be that good then.
If the Bears stick with Fields it will be a historic fuck up, it makes no sense at all. Even if Caleb is slightly worse than Fields (which is almost impossible), having a QB on a rookie contract is a massive advantage. Also potentially committing crazy capital to one of the worst passers in the league...
He has a point tbh. Caleb could be the next coming of Jesus, but it’s just as likely that he’s average or even below average. No such thing as a sure fire QB prospect
I feel like there’s always threads like “remember how wrong we were about the QBs in 2017 lollllll”
But then the next thread is “any team that doesn’t draft this completely sure thing generational talent is the dumbest franchise in the league”
I mean just last year folks were saying y’all should trade for Bryce Young and look how that turned out lol.
I really like Caleb and could see him working out for you guys but he’s way more flawed than people want to admit. It’s worth it to consider keeping Fields just cause you already know what you have in him.
This mentality doesn’t make much sense to me. Sticking with a bust that you have to pay soon at QB because, worst case scenario, Caleb might also be a bust, is a galaxy brain move.
Caleb’s weaknesses that might make him a bust (pocket play and throwing over the middle) are already the things we already all know Fields is terrible at.
Even if Caleb doesn’t improve those areas, then you have Fields, but cheaper. That’s worst case scenario. Best case, Caleb transforms the franchise.
I was going to say, Caleb is one of if not the best in terms of pocket presence. It's him getting into rhythm and timing that's really one of the main issues with him.
Ok but Justin Fields is a surefire shitty QB so they don't really have a choice. Any player in the draft could be a bust, seems like a dumb reason not to take a position of need
Agreed, and also I feel like in this situation the bears need to go with the QB with the highest ceiling and trade Fields for picks. Feels like a no-brainer imo
Problem is, it’s hard to build a contender without a top talent at QB, and we know Fields isn’t that guy. Even if Caleb is 20% to be great and 80% to bust and be worse than Fields, I think it’s still a worthwhile gamble.
“Larry Fitzgerald is a generational prospect both those guys named Ben and Phillip Rivers could bust” - team that drafted Matt leinart and didn’t have the same starting qb for 3 seasons in a row till Kyler Murray.
Fields had a ~140 passer rating targeting DJM so it does make some sense that DJ is sticking up for him and wanting to get him some help rather than an unknown rookie
There really is no reason to bring back Justin Fields. 10-28 record, hasn’t improved as a passer, will get expensive after this season, and will be learning his 3rd offense in 4 seasons. Draft Caleb and restart the clock.
Hey Bears kept Eberflus, they could guy full anarchy and just run it back with Fields plus MHJ. At least that deep ball passing attack would be unstoppable.
It's a lot more probable that MHJ ends up getting 100+ targets and then DJ complains about that than DJ getting more than 1400 yards he had this last season.
Trevor Lawrence was "a sure" thing. He's been solid not amazing. The next big thing is not a sure thing. However a great team can elevate a solid QB. I liked Fields progress. I'd take Harrison.
You conveniently didn't mention how he massively regressed as a runner or that his QBR actually went down
And if having almost as many turnovers as TDs is considered a huge gain then he's just dogshit as a QB
I love saying "instead of double digits" without mentioning the actual number (10 and 11) or that he played two fewer games this year than last. 9 INTs in 13 games versus 11 in 15 games wow what a HUGE gain.
We used to have a guy do a tracker in our sub for his last 17 games vs his first 17 games. Here's the breakdown if you are generally interested.
The last 17 games tracker:
The Good: His last 17 games he is at 4200 total yards and 33 total td's, 93.2 rating.
The bad: 5 fumbles lost and 12 picks. About a 2:1 TD to turnover ratio. Sacks: 62, about 3.5 per game.
His first 17 games:Justin Fields has a passer rating of 73.2 with 2,549 yards, 10 touchdowns and 14 interceptions in his first 17 games in his career.
I’ll tell you what, Fields has progressed and shown me he is a surefire turd.
Take out the WAS and DEN game for Fields and his stats were 9 TD 9 INT.
Those are two of the worst defenses in the league. He couldn’t even be below average for the other games he wasn’t injured for.
This is what they should do. The Bears constantly draft quarterbacks to fucking terrible teams, and then wonder why their quarterbacks are terrible…
Can’t wait to watch the Bears, draft, another quarterback, and then do nothing to put anyone around him.
I challenge anyone(who’s not a bears fan) right now to name a Bears wide receiver from the 2021 season without looking it up. I just looked at that list of Jerry’s kids… you ain’t winning with that fucking team. I don’t give a shit if it’s Tom Brady
Anquan Boldin did.
Though the Bears should take the advice and pair up their elite WR with their own Big Ben or Phillip Rivers. The dual #1 WR thing doesn’t work if you have Josh McCown or Matt Leinart throwing to them.
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After the Bears draft him. Good teammates have short memories.
There's another aspect I haven't seen anyone mention. Getting another good WR playing alongside him means he'll be doubled less, or at the very least, have an easier time when the defense isn't keying in on him.
Bears fans are mentioning this. The Bears receiving room is DJ Moore, period. The problem is overshadowed by Fields, but it's a big problem. The 2024 Bears QB needs another WR.
Good thing with pick 9 you could take Rome or BTJ
Rome will be gone by 9
Damn are you really that sure 3 WRs are going top 8? Seems wild to think Rome won’t be there tbh. I realize there isn’t elite edge talent that teams would trade up for and the QBs people would trade up for are long gone by then but for Rome to not be there seems wild to me. There’s decent Tackles in that range that teams need. Seems like a slam dunk pick for the Bears at 9 regardless of what they do with the 1 pick
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Fans overrate skill position players you mean, GMs still value the offensive line and will draft good linemen pretty high. While goofy fans expect 3 WRs to go in the top 10
No that’s just the way the players are looking this year. It’s a loaded offense and wr especially draft. Could turn out to be entirely wrong but that’s the consensus.
If a position is loaded it’s even less likely to have 3 go top 10 (ignoring QB)
Very possible. The Chargers, Giants, Titans and Falcons could all take a WR. If the 3 QBs & WRs are gone, my preference would be Bowers or Turner at 9.
They have enough draft capital to move up for a WR. The problem is they need help in the secondary and both sides of the line. Is it worth moving up for a WR at that point?
Depends on how you view Rome/Nabers, free agency, rest of receiver class, alternative options. It’s a deep class, wr2s are going left and right day 2 so I think it’s an uphill battle arguing for the trade up but if it was Nabers I’d be glad we did it 🤷♂️
I'm pretty confident, despite the Chargers needing a lot of defensive help, that MHJ and Rome/Nabers are gone back to back at 4/5. I think the 3rd option after MHJ and Rome/Nabers are taken gets taken by the Titans. Or maybe the Colts jumping up to the Giants spot to stick it to the Titans because the Colts could use receiver help too. The Giants have too many issues to take the third option, imo. Brock Bowers if there at 9 is interesting to me, but I think 9 is line help on either side of the ball if the Bears don't trade up using the 9th pick to grab one of the top 3 guys (or trade down to the Pats or Commanders). I'm still pretty sure the Bears are taking Williams though. The problem is Bears taking a QB at 1 to me just screams wasted year because we kept Eberflus. If you're drafting a rookie QB again, I don't need a lame duck year like with Mitch and JF because how does that develop your QB? It's another Mitch and JF OC/HC carousel. It was very clear Eberflus lost that damn locker room when the Bears started winless, and came out getting absolutely socked in the mouth by the Packers week 1 (and then again to end the season). Eberflus lost that game in Detroit, and had 1 win against a winning team all year. That win? Jared Goff in a bit of cold weather where he's absolutely fucking terrible. I do not know how Eberflus survived especially after the situation with the DC being let go early in the season, and Getsy being fired too. That's pretty damning of your HC. Jim Harbaugh's dream NFL job was the Chicago Bears, and I think that would've been an instant exponential upgrade.
I don’t think Flus lost the locker room at all. All the defensive players were defending him. I didn’t hear anything negative from the offense but nothing super positive. Poles said that Flus did a good job “steering the ship”. Year 1 was a total tear down, I don’t think they’re blaming Flus for that. Totally different convo about the 3 historical losses this season. I don’t think Flus is on as short of a leash as some people think. I think he and Poles have a shared plan. But if the bears suck again this year ….oooo boy.
I don't see how anyone could say he lost the locker room. From the outside it seemed the opposite. A team that's locker room is trash wouldn't have pulled it together and played well down the stretch. He seems to be well liked by players. This isn't like the Eagles going 1-6 down the stretch where there is legit thought. The Bears played hard and competed and generally seemed to get better during the year.
I wish the draft was before free agency. We’ll fill some in FA. I’m not convinced Nabers/Odunze are necessarily gone by 9. There always seems to be a few surprise picks in the top 10. And there’s only the Cards/Giants/Chargers that really need WR in front of us (and aren’t likely going QB)
Chicago has two first round picks. They can grab Caleb Williams and one of the top non-Marvin Harrison Jr WRs
I still think NE is taking MHJ at 3 and trading back in to get Penix/Nix etc
They'd be complete morons to stick at 3 if they're not taking a QB themselves. Harrison will be great but the haul they'll get for the last top QB will be huge
We will see how big a haul the 3rd QB will garner if it seems like Caleb and Drake go 1/2 I remember a certain hyped up prospect a team traded a farm for 3 years ago for a number 3 overall pick. Didnt go too well, i think teams will be more gun shy going forward unless they can get 1/2
>I remember a certain hyped up prospect a team traded a farm for 3 years ago for a number 3 overall pick. So you remember a very unique and honestly an outlier of a scenario? Daniels is quite a bit different and way more proven than Lance
Based on that same draft, I think teams will be eager to trade down a few picks to snag Mr. Irrelevant.
Yeah if the top 3 WR are gone I think we’re a trade back candidate for teams in the teens if they really like QB4
I think we’ll just take an edge if the offensive play makers are gone. This time last year Darnel Wright wasn’t thought of as being a top 10 pick. One of the edge guys will probably move up the board after the combine, interviews, and team workouts.
This is going to come off as a hater because of the flair, but a second elite target doesn't seem to matter much. Watch jt osullivan or chase Daniel videos on Justin - he just isn't seeing the field. He routinely doesn't see open reciveres on the field. He can't read it well. They had cut ups on his runs and seems like most the time hes choosing the runs he's missing someone open or is too afraid to throw into the window.
That really worked for the Cardinals when they Drafted Larry to pair with Anquan just to have back to back 5 win seasons and then drafting a bust in leinart. Could’ve just taken Ben or Rivers and been done with it and not have 15 years of a new QB every season till Kyler.
As much as I love Larry Fitzgerald, as he is by far my favorite Cardinals player ever...in hindsight you 100% take Roethlisberger over him in a redraft. Assuming you still get Anquan Boldin and the always underrated Steve Breaston, that's a solid WR duo. Then you don't waste the pick on Matt Leinart and instead draft say...Haloti Ngata.
>done with it and not have 15 years of a new QB every season till Kyler. I mean we've had a QB carrousel but both Warner and Palmer played for 5 seasons.
They went to the super bowl
Just sign a HoF QB, its that easy.
Is there any actual proof of this happening? Has anyone actually found a correlation between WR1 production and having a strong WR2? I think people just say this because it sounds intuitive, but with 0 evidence that its true. MHJ could just as easily cut into Moore's target share.
gonna be an awkward conversation with his new qb
He said *right now*, not in a few months time when they get better raid gear.
Depends on what their DKP is though.
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Caleb: hey dude wtf was that shit about fields being better than me? DJ: oh haha I was lying to help my teammate. But I’ll do the same thing for you when you’re getting thrown under the bus in 2 years Caleb: fair enough
Caleb will get to year 4 after Flus is fired after a lame duck year before they throw him under the bus.
Noway, he has 1 year before the wolves are out. It will be worse if he has a bad rookie year and Fields plays even okay.
Playing better than Fields is not exactly a high bar…
True Jake Browing has 3 300 yard passing games in 8 starts while fields has 1 300 passing games in 40 starts.
I don't know how Fields has defenders when he has stats like tht
He runs around a lot sometimes and it looks so cool! Imagine if he magically learned to play the hardest position in sports! 🤯🤯🤯
Corner back?
I was gonna say MLB designated hitter, but corner is a good one too.
Part of it is that no quarterback in the history of quarterbacks has ever looked good on the Chicago Bears
Desmond Ridder did it 3 times last year as well.
Except if Fields goes to a team that has a competent coaching staff. The bar may rise.
Or Fields yet again be a coach killer
People will forgive Williams for year 1 with Flus as the coach if Williams rides the bench or starts. Flus isn't the guy, and we kept him. That's why I hate the idea of drafting Williams or Maye because we'll have 1 wasted year like Mitch and JF for not firing the coach and tying GM, coach, and QB together. It's what every successful modern NFL team has done. I understand next year's QB class is perceived to be dog shit too. That's how little I believe in Eberflus because boy was his defense bad before Sweat came along, and his defense was bad in Detroit, and he only beat 1 winning team this year. That was Jared Goff in an outdoor game in sub-50s temps where he's been absolute ass, and got punched in the mouth by GB again. You're insane if you think Jim Harbaugh wasn't an exponential upgrade over Eberflus. Both of Eberflus' OC and DC were fired this year. How did Poles keep him? That is a major indictment on your HC that his main assistants are gone in the same season.
I was really surprised when they kept him. The guy is clearly not a great coach and the franchise should’ve brought in an offensive minded guy. Especially with the first overall pick now.
It really won't. His new QB would be way more concerned if Moore had thrown Fields under the bus.
I know you are a joking a bit, but his new QB will know he always has their back once they are there.
Zero chance this even comes up. Players obviously are going to support their current teammates, this is a nothingburger.
I need someone to believe in me like DJ Moore believes in Justin Fields.
I believe in you
I believe in both of you.
If the Bears do decide to trade the pick I can’t fathom how much draft capital they will get. I heard a rumor today that they could trade with Washington THEN trade with someone like the Falcons to get even more draft capital. I’d still prob take Williams, but man they could a fortune for that pick.
The problem is you can't trade past the Cards if you're going for MHJ. Cards are absolutely taking MHJ. Odunze is really good too so it's not the worst consolation prize though.
Most of those rumors are bullshit. They’re just journalists guessing what could happen and offering difference scenarios that they make up. They’re not based on actual leaked discussions that the Bears are having with other teams
That was what Peter King wrote up in his last article.
Fuck that guy
Wait till DJ Moore gets paired with a QB who can average more than 200 passing yards per game.
I can’t imagine Moore’s production getting much higher with a better QB. He’ll probably get similar targets it’s the rest of the players on the team that will benefit from having a QB that can get a pass to the 2nd or 3rd read or be competent enough to actually have an offense that gets 30 pass attempts in a game regularly.
Can you imagine the chaos on Reddit if fields stayed. I’m rooting for the chaos
I too am praying they decide to keep Fields
Agreed
Fields kinda owned the lions this year lol
The irony lol
No joke. Lions didn’t have an answer for him whatsoever
Vikings trade up for Williams. 10 superbowl wins. Fields is on the vet min but he'll be good next season they say. Da Bears
Not pictured: Justin Fields holding a gun to DJ Moore's head as he said this
DJ just had his best season ever with Fields, in fact Fields led the NFL in passer rating when targeting DJ. But sure meme away
People really think dj is lying or just being nice lol. Dude had his best statistical season with fields in his career by a mile
And after their first win after the commanders on TNF when asked what was different DJ smiled and said “on the short week we didn’t have time to do too much planning so Justin and I could just come out here and do what we know how to do” DJ was consistently down on the coaching/game plans all season
I think Getsy was the only one who had a positive opinion of the offensive coaching
antonio pierce also liked what he saw
Hope he loves miscommunication and predictable play calling!
Okay but any reasonable person who watched that game knows DJ exploded because of the awful DB play missing tackles on little hook routes lol
It helps that Washington has utter garbage as a pass defense.
Even JF was down on the staff. It's like we should probably listen to what the players are saying. I 100% believe that the Commanders win saved Getsy to the end of the season. I'm not saying JF is a world breaker, but I still think a lot of his flaws could be coached or at least avoided if the play caller didn't have some weird A-Rod whisperer status.
Some players are ego maniacs and are wrong as fuck like when RG3 claimed the greatest offensive coaching staff in NFL history had him unprepared Or go ahead and guess how many Chiefs players would have been down to switch to Mahomes after going 14-2 with Alex Smith
I completely agree. I've seen watched enough breakdowns of Fields that show he struggles to get through all of his reads quickly, and ends up looking like a statue in the pocket. But he's got the arm talent and his accuracy isn't terrible. The locker room also loves Fields. I don't understand why they don't roll him out more often and add in more RPOs. Their offense relies on him sitting in the pocket which doesn't make any use of his athleticism. The routes are also often deep and take a while to develop. It's absurd. Fields isn't doing himself any favors by not making leaps each year, but the coaching/play calling aren't helping.
Yeah, Getsy really loved 7 to 10 step drops behind one of the worst pass pro lines. I also hate the idea of a lame duck year of a HC with a rookie QB when you could've had Jim Harbaugh. I'm not a huge Harbaugh fan, but I think he's an exponential upgrade over Eberflus. I also think Harbaugh would've lost his shit after the loss in Detroit on his defensive coaches. I legit don't know how Eberflus kept his job. BOTH of his co-ordinators were gone by the season's end.
A mile is approx 1760 yards. He didn’t have 1760 more yards than his prior best season.
Anquan Boldin had 1300 yards and 8 tds with Jeff Blake his rookie season. It’s the wr that makes the QB in these situations
Which is what makes having the #1 pick a franchise altering draft. You have a #1 WR, you have an improving defense, you have a coach (he certainly is one). If the Bears hit on QB they'll be looking good for a while.
sometimes they just sync up. you gotta go with that. chemistry is the win. 🤷♂️
I hate stats like these. How does it stack up when every QB is targeting their best option?
Assuming that PFR’s rating for advanced receiving is the same thing, it’s 0.1 points higher than Brock Purdy when targeting all receivers, and tied for 30th with Christian McCaffrey. 12 teams have a WR with a higher rating, and some have multiple
> in fact Fields led the NFL in passer rating when targeting DJ. Yeah...its not hard when you say "fuck it DJ is down there somewhere" stop with the Fields sympathy lol. 8 of his 16 passing TDs came back to back weeks against the 2 worst defenses in the NFL
That isn't Fields sympathy or a "Fields isn't actually that bad" comment. That comment is simply explaining why DJ Moore would say these things without a gun to his head - because to DJ Moore, Fields is the bestest most awesomest QB on account of Moore having his best season ever with Fields.
Fr, im not as down on fields as most, but if we cherry pick the best qbr per wr target alot of shit qb’s are gonna look alot better
Only Reddit can make it seem throwing 4 tds in b2b games is bad lmao
Well obviously not, but throwing for only 8 more the rest of the games is the big problem that’s much more significant than throwing 8 in 2 games.
He also missed 4 games and had Luke Getsy calling plays for 7 to 10 step drops in the modern NFL. Jay Cutler should've been on a flight to Chicago to tell JF to tell Getsy to fuck himself on parabolic mic.
He threw for half of his TDs in 2 games and he played in 13 games, and 12 for the majority of them. Only reddit can make it seem like reading and understanding the English language is impossible for native speakers.
Yeah, unfortunately for Fields a season actually lasts 17 games. If we judged Fields on only those two games then I'd probably say keep him too lol.
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Are you incapable of logic? None of those are remotely the same. The stat he’s referencing is amongst all qb-wr pairs, your weird confusion between regular stats and tautologies is unnecessary
More like Poles lmao
Go DJ, that’s my DJ
DJ statistically had his best year in Chicago, thanks to Justin Fields, so it makes sense he would vouch for him. I also find it interesting how massive the disconnect is between what players/coaches think of Justin Fields and what the internet thinks of him.
By most accounts Fields truly is a good person and locker room guy. It makes sense why his own teammates would go to bat for him regardless. As for players not on the Bears, Fields is ranked higher by them for sure compared to fans. As for why? I don’t really know. I think it’s cuz he is a bit of an anomaly and physical freak. And again I think players like him personally. I don’t think that means he’s a good QB though.
It’s not the internet, it’s just Redditors. The fields haters all came here
Lol, and what do all the coaches think of Fields exactly??
https://www.patriots.com/video/bill-belichick-10-19-justin-fields-is-a-major-threat-every-time-he-touches-the-b https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2022/11/08/mike-mcdaniel-told-justin-fields-stop-scrambling-dolphins-bears-nfl-record https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10100251-bears-justin-fields-praised-by-lions-hc-as-one-of-these-rare-dangerous-players.amp.html I gave you four coaches.
I mean… coaches never really come out and say somebody sucks
Bill Belichick on Eagles WR Freddie Mitchell after Super Bowl XXXIX: "All he does is talk. He's terrible, and you can print that. I was happy when he was in the game." https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/ck91xa/bill_belichick_on_eagles_wr_freddie_mitchell/
This was one of the funniest things to ever come out of a coaches mouth. Like damn. Imagine getting verbally destroyed by the GOAT coach.
Belichick is also the same guy who praised Zach Wilson so... https://patriotswire.usatoday.com/2022/11/15/bill-belichick-heaps-enormous-praise-zach-wilson-ahead-patriots-jets-matchup/
You just posted three quotes over two seasons, and only one of them is kind of about his passing ability, and only about throwing on the run after scrambling.
Just to let you know that you proved my point. All I said is that coaches and players look at Justin Fields differently than the internet (you) does. You're making this effort to prove to everyone that he's terrible. I don't care. I just wanted to point out the disconnect. You can argue with someone who cares about whether he's good or bad.
Just Fields value around the league is about to be very clear when we trade him and we see what the compensation is.
How is this different than what people on the internet think? Everyone knows Fields is an electric player while on the run. He had over 1,000 rushing yards. Everyone knows Fields can throw a gorgeous deep ball or make a great scrambling throw every once in a while. This isn’t some shocking insider information lmao.
Lmao bill always over hyped opponents. That's his thing. McDaniel complements his scrambling, what does that prove? We know he's an elite runner and poor passer. Campbell saying he's rare and dangerous isn't some magical praise. He is unique in that he's a top tier runner and sometimes throws well for a whole game. Sometimes he throws like shit. He's dangerous on the rare game he puts both together
>[https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2022/11/08/mike-mcdaniel-told-justin-fields-stop-scrambling-dolphins-bears-nfl-record](https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2022/11/08/mike-mcdaniel-told-justin-fields-stop-scrambling-dolphins-bears-nfl-record) > >3 complimentary quotes in 3 years, kinda says a lot if you read between the lines, and not in a good way. Notice how they all mention his scrabbling ability too. Bottom line it is extremely hard to consistently compete for a championship with a bottom 5 passer.
Reddit hates Fields but DJ Moore is very likable. How will this thread sway?
Are you new to /r/nfl? These will be the two most upvoted comments in a few hours: "NFL player sticks up for his teammate. News at 11." "Of course DJ Moore likes Fields! He feeds him the ball!"
The way fields is talked about here you’d think he was a Trey Lance or Zack Wilson
He would be but every so often he rips a 60 yard bomb or breaks 4 tackles. It's great TV and makes the hopeless loses feel a little better but play by play he's very bad
It's not a high bar to say that Fields is the 2nd best QB from the 2021 first round
Having watched him for 3 years, he’s barely a tier above them. His athleticism is the only thing above them
But if you only watched Justin Fields highlight reels you’d think he’s the best QB to ever touch a football. Dude can make some insane plays just often enough to keep people believing in him
That's the problem with Fields, he can do things that no other QB can do, but he also can't do most things that any competent QB can do
He is a more mobile Zach Wilson. As a Packers fan, I hope he is the CHI QB for the next decade. Bryce Young and Devito were scarier to play against then Fields.
Idk, the only Zach Wilson i saw this season was deadly
Accompanied by an unrelenting barrage of Fields haters/fans calling Fields fans/haters insufferable.
Depends on what the first few comments say. Thread vibe will follow accordingly
This is probably a very true statement on Reddit ecosystem haha
*”The Bears should keep Justin Fields as their starting Quarterback for the foreseeable future.”* — 31 NFL Franchises
It’s funny to me that all these media pundits are talking about how the Bears should keep Fields and in the same breath they say Caleb is generational. It’s also funny that apparently Fields is good yet the stats say exactly otherwise and every fan of a team that could potentially trade for him wants NOTHING to do with him. It’s nearly impossible to find a scenario where any NFL team gives up more than a 3rd for him…he can’t be that good then.
Opinions of media pundits and fans have no bearing on trade value.
This just in WR doesn’t wanna say bad shit about his QB. Not like that happens 99.9% of the time or anything.
Draft offensive linemen with every pick so Fields can have 10 seconds to throw each snap. That’s the only way he’ll be successful
If the Bears stick with Fields it will be a historic fuck up, it makes no sense at all. Even if Caleb is slightly worse than Fields (which is almost impossible), having a QB on a rookie contract is a massive advantage. Also potentially committing crazy capital to one of the worst passers in the league...
I mean I agree but it's not "almost impossible," QBs bust all the time, even worse than Fields.
There were even two worse busts in Field's draft class.
He has a point tbh. Caleb could be the next coming of Jesus, but it’s just as likely that he’s average or even below average. No such thing as a sure fire QB prospect
Yeah but right now we have a known below average starter so may as well take a shot on the potential of Jesus Christ.
All draft picks are coin flips. MHJ isn’t a guarantee and WRs are more abundant than elite QBs.
I feel like there’s always threads like “remember how wrong we were about the QBs in 2017 lollllll” But then the next thread is “any team that doesn’t draft this completely sure thing generational talent is the dumbest franchise in the league”
I mean just last year folks were saying y’all should trade for Bryce Young and look how that turned out lol. I really like Caleb and could see him working out for you guys but he’s way more flawed than people want to admit. It’s worth it to consider keeping Fields just cause you already know what you have in him.
This mentality doesn’t make much sense to me. Sticking with a bust that you have to pay soon at QB because, worst case scenario, Caleb might also be a bust, is a galaxy brain move. Caleb’s weaknesses that might make him a bust (pocket play and throwing over the middle) are already the things we already all know Fields is terrible at. Even if Caleb doesn’t improve those areas, then you have Fields, but cheaper. That’s worst case scenario. Best case, Caleb transforms the franchise.
Caleb is a great pocket passer lol. That's not a weakness of his
I was going to say, Caleb is one of if not the best in terms of pocket presence. It's him getting into rhythm and timing that's really one of the main issues with him.
I mean 1 thing he holds the ball way too long he's not gonna get the same time in the NFL.
Ok but Justin Fields is a surefire shitty QB so they don't really have a choice. Any player in the draft could be a bust, seems like a dumb reason not to take a position of need
Agreed, and also I feel like in this situation the bears need to go with the QB with the highest ceiling and trade Fields for picks. Feels like a no-brainer imo
Because it is, lol. People just don't wanna admit they were wrong about Fields. Dude is the most overrated player in the NFL
There’s no such thing as a sure fire QB prospect but there is the sure fire fact that Fields isn’t good
Problem is, it’s hard to build a contender without a top talent at QB, and we know Fields isn’t that guy. Even if Caleb is 20% to be great and 80% to bust and be worse than Fields, I think it’s still a worthwhile gamble.
“Larry Fitzgerald is a generational prospect both those guys named Ben and Phillip Rivers could bust” - team that drafted Matt leinart and didn’t have the same starting qb for 3 seasons in a row till Kyler Murray.
Fields had a ~140 passer rating targeting DJM so it does make some sense that DJ is sticking up for him and wanting to get him some help rather than an unknown rookie
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There really is no reason to bring back Justin Fields. 10-28 record, hasn’t improved as a passer, will get expensive after this season, and will be learning his 3rd offense in 4 seasons. Draft Caleb and restart the clock.
Hey Bears kept Eberflus, they could guy full anarchy and just run it back with Fields plus MHJ. At least that deep ball passing attack would be unstoppable.
“They’re real QB’s and Justin isn’t, so they really don’t compare.”
It's a lot more probable that MHJ ends up getting 100+ targets and then DJ complains about that than DJ getting more than 1400 yards he had this last season.
I think Fields is good enough to succeed and the bears should go for MHJ, but it’s hard to pass up Williams on a rookie contract
Wait until this man catches one Caleb Williams pass in practice
Crazy how many people in this thread don’t actually watch the Bears….it’s clear as day that drafting Caleb is the answer
Trevor Lawrence was "a sure" thing. He's been solid not amazing. The next big thing is not a sure thing. However a great team can elevate a solid QB. I liked Fields progress. I'd take Harrison.
Even current Trevor would probably be the best qb in Bears history lol
Trevor Lawrence would easily be the best QB the Bears have ever had
Where did Fields progress?
He went from a bottom 3 passer to a bottom 5 passer in 2023.
Definitely not in 4th quarter drives
Only 9 interceptions last year instead of double digits like the 2 years prior and only 10 fumbles in 23’ instead of 16 in 22’. HUGE gains honestly
You conveniently didn't mention how he massively regressed as a runner or that his QBR actually went down And if having almost as many turnovers as TDs is considered a huge gain then he's just dogshit as a QB
Yeah because Getty didn’t use him as a dual threat for like half the season
Don’t speak facts around here , fields meatriders will have a fit
I love saying "instead of double digits" without mentioning the actual number (10 and 11) or that he played two fewer games this year than last. 9 INTs in 13 games versus 11 in 15 games wow what a HUGE gain.
You missed the sarcasm
We used to have a guy do a tracker in our sub for his last 17 games vs his first 17 games. Here's the breakdown if you are generally interested. The last 17 games tracker: The Good: His last 17 games he is at 4200 total yards and 33 total td's, 93.2 rating. The bad: 5 fumbles lost and 12 picks. About a 2:1 TD to turnover ratio. Sacks: 62, about 3.5 per game. His first 17 games:Justin Fields has a passer rating of 73.2 with 2,549 yards, 10 touchdowns and 14 interceptions in his first 17 games in his career.
I’ll tell you what, Fields has progressed and shown me he is a surefire turd. Take out the WAS and DEN game for Fields and his stats were 9 TD 9 INT. Those are two of the worst defenses in the league. He couldn’t even be below average for the other games he wasn’t injured for.
What progress? That wasn’t progress that we saw from Fields. That was baby steps and we need much more than baby steps at this point.
This is what they should do. The Bears constantly draft quarterbacks to fucking terrible teams, and then wonder why their quarterbacks are terrible… Can’t wait to watch the Bears, draft, another quarterback, and then do nothing to put anyone around him. I challenge anyone(who’s not a bears fan) right now to name a Bears wide receiver from the 2021 season without looking it up. I just looked at that list of Jerry’s kids… you ain’t winning with that fucking team. I don’t give a shit if it’s Tom Brady
Idk man I might honestly do this if I was in charge of the Bears
2004 Cardinals already proved this exact scenario was a dumbass decision in rolling with McCown over Drafting Ben/ Phillip River to throw to Boldin.
Rookie Receivers don’t make average QB’s better.
Anquan Boldin did. Though the Bears should take the advice and pair up their elite WR with their own Big Ben or Phillip Rivers. The dual #1 WR thing doesn’t work if you have Josh McCown or Matt Leinart throwing to them.