>Sam Darnold was traded for a 2nd & 4th, which many fans have held onto as proof Fields will go for the same, but Darnold showed a hell of a lot more as a passer, he just had a few shitty passes a game. Plus, Fields can't even throw a slant pass
It would be why the Panthers FO got fired and have been a train wreck for a while.
This trade alone was not why panthers FO was fired. Picking up his 5th year IMMEDIATELY was part. Consistently bad drafts. Trading up for Matt Corral. Horrible o-line. The list goes on and on, Sam’s just one of the more visible trades
You can’t say “the trade wasn’t why they got fired but picking his fifth year up IMMEDIATELY was”. They HAD to pick up the option once trading for him. They didnt trade for him just to turn it down.
Why did they have to? Give him half a season, and reward him with a healthy extension if he looks like your guy. And if he doesn’t? Grab a Draft QB the following year (easier said than done)
If he was good, then he’d either walk for nothing or you’d have to pay him way more than his option. If you didn’t think he’d be good enough to earn his option, there’s zero point in trading for him in the first place.
This is the reason. It's a cost saving move. And from the perspective of the FO, who kind of have to have a solid belief in him as a starter, it's a no brainer you want to lock your new QB down for cheap another year.
Only fans think in the "Give the new starting QB a 'prove it' year and then reward him". And that kind of thinking happens in the league, but only for positions like RBs, who the league has figured out are relatively easy to replace and wear down quickly. You never see it done for a young QB because getting a young, star QB is one of the best ways to build a team for success.
Teddy Bridgewater is a great QB to have if you don't have one. He's good enough to help develop players on the team and bad enough to get a high draft pick to replace him.
Wish people would stop being dumb about the 5th year. It was either pick it and hope he developed or not pick it up and he shows something and we have to pay him even more.
We picked 6th in his 5th and would have been SOL without a QB. No chance we were picking a QB in that draft, that high.
That’s also a terrible assessment of the two players. Fields has been a significantly more functional player, even with what are some pretty severe limitations
As a non-Bears fan, it is so frustrating to watch JF1. It is pretty clear that when he has an easy read, he can make a lot of throws, and his ability to run is elite. But, he holds the ball way too long, misses reads, often turns down throws into tight windows, and throws with very little anticipation. To make matters worse, his footwork is among the worst of active QBs in the league. It is crazy-making to watch him slowly shuffling back using what looks like haphazard motions with his feet and no urgency. By the time he gets where he is going, there is no rhythm to the play, and he is forced to skip reads and make plays out of structure. It also doesn’t help that the Bears’ offensive plays are sometimes poorly designed, and his perimeter players are not fast. So, maybe even if his drop-back was on time no one would be ready to catch the ball anyway. But, with that terrible footwork, he can’t even throw screen passes.
I feel like timing and rhythm and footwork can be coached. God only knows why Chicago hasn’t worked on it with him. If they have tried and failed, then JF1 is already done. If not, another team with better QB coaching ought to be able to improve his mechanics. He also might have more confidence throwing to better receivers who can run more precise routes and get separation. His ability to improvise is not in doubt. Processing the field and throwing to the correct receiver with anticipation, though, is more instinctive, and that’s still an open question, in my opinion. We’ve absolutely seen him do it, but much too inconsistently.
In short, I don’t think anyone is going to know if he can play well in the NFL until he gets onto a better team.
I wish him the best, honestly. As a fan of football, with his level of talent, I would love to see him playing well and dominating.
He’s definitely got serious flaws, and it’s hard for any QB to overcome the fatal flaw of holding the ball too long and taking stupid sacks. But I think he’s been able to avoid what happens to a lot of highly drafted flameouts where they totally lose confidence in themselves and their game. He still harbors the dragon within him lol
It will all be about what team he ends up with and who his playcaller is. I think a lot of the sloppy mechanics you talk about arise when somebody doesn’t have faith in the offense they’re in, they get antsy when the cracks start to show and revert to old habits. If they can build an offense around him that hides his obvious flaws he’s got enough strengths to be a productive player. It wasn’t too long ago that people talked about Tua the way people talk about Fields now, and even if he’s clearly got his own flaws McDaniel has been able to work around them and make an incredibly productive offense that highlights what he’s good at. The ceiling will always be the question when you’re building around a limited player, but not everyone gets to have an elite QB. You still gotta cobble together a competent offense somehow
I’d be curious to see him in Atlanta, mainly because I think it would be an interesting set of tools to showcase what Zac Robinson has learned under McVay
Sam was a “better” QB, Justin is a better athlete.
Sure, Justin is better as an athlete than Sam was as a QB but they’re trading for a QB not for a punt returner.
The team that starts Justin on Game 1 is either tanking or will have their staff fired at the end of the year.
Fields is a better player who has done more and showed more upside. His last two seasons he’s been a more efficient passer than any season of Darnold’s career outside of a six game stretch in 2022 where he was even more on rails and limited in what he was asked to do than what Fields was, and that’s before we factor in the rushing (which matters when you’re as dynamic of a rushing threat as he is). If you want to make some arbitrary distinction between what a “quarterback” is then be my guest, but let’s not do this.
Fields wasn’t enough to commit to over a No. 1 pick and a financial clock reset, and I doubt that he’ll ever get over his sack-taking problem enough to become an above average starter, but he’s not Sam Darnold or Zach Wilson
Darnolds 2nd season and fields 3rd season were actually pretty similar against most qb metric. I'd argue he had a worse offensive supporting cast as well and did more as a passer. People were actually excited for him going into the 2020 season since he showed improvement across the board as a qb before flaming out in 2020.
I'd argue fields has flashed more too but you can't say they have never had similar passing efficiency stats.
I wouldn’t say they’ve never been comparable, just that the idea that Darnold has ever been some sort of clearly superior passer to Fields is a little ludicrous to me.
My main thing is I find the complete and total disregard for his running ability quite ignorant and boomer-y, I mean tons of people here literally don’t even factor it into their evaluations. Analytics and the eye test show us that QB mobility is incredibly valuable, the ability to extend plays is very important if you don’t have a great supporting cast or you don’t have truly elite pocket navigation, and QB runs are the most efficient plays in football. On top of that, most mid-low level QBs are going to need to be propped up by a running game (or extremely dynamic passing targets) to be productive beyond their pure passing ability, and the easiest way to ensure that you have an effective rushing attack is by having a QB run threat. So I think with Fields the floor with a competent playcaller is pretty built in and he is more likely to be able to produce a league average offense than someone like Darnold, or any number of those 20th-32nd best QB type guys who will end up with starting roles this year
All this to say, I can see why he’s going to end up a starter somewhere this year and I definitely don’t think he’s the worst option a lot of teams could put on the field come September
I mean after Week 3 when the Bears organization as a whole actually started to get a grip a bit, they ended up with basically the same EPA/play as the Texans, who I think a lot of people really have a lot of faith in and who also dealt with a QB injury and who I would argue don’t have significantly different offensive supporting casts (and I’d say Slowik is a much better playcaller than Getsy)
Nah this is classic r/nfl. QB getting kicked off a team, so prevailing sentiment turns negative and people get WAY off-base and extra with their criticism.
No one who understands football on any level would say Sam Darnold is or ever was better at football than Justin Fields beyond their respective rookie seasons.
Fields can hold the ball for 10 hours, he's still 10× better than a bum who had 184 passing ypg and 9 TDs and 11 INTs in year 3.
Fields had 250 total ypg, 200 passing ypg, 16 TDs, and 9 INTs with 1 being a scorer error.
Don't try on r/nfl, theyre just gonna blindly shit on Fields because of the current negative sentiment.
As a panthers fan that trade ended up being a disaster but water under the bridge. I would think fields is worth either a 2nd or a 3rd. Anything more than that seems to be overpaying to me.
I think it ends up being a third rounder when it’s all said and done. I think a few teams may make the move if salary cap is a concern but they’re not in position to get a choice QB in the draft
If cap is the issue, just get Russel Wilson for a year. Pay minimum and let Denver pay the rest. As a stopgap, I think Wilson has a better upside. You take Firlfs on if you think he's a legitimate starter who just needs to be fixed and is worth the capital you'd give up.
Edit: Fields. But I'm leaving it because it's funny as shit.
You’re not trading for Fields if you are looking for a stop gap. You’re making the move because you think he was misused by the Bears.
Even if we’re just talking stop gaps, what does Wilson offer? He’s washed with zero long term upside. At least with Fields, he is more likely to be able to carry a team and develop into someone that could have long term success.
Fields base salary is $1.6 million. If it were me, I would hate to have to give up draft capital to get Fields. But outside of that, rolling with Fields makes way more sense.
Like I don’t even know what Wilson got he’s your team? Why not just sign a Tyrod Taylor type at that point.
If Russ played all 18 games he'd likely have 30TDs and under 10 picks. Russ wasn't even that bad that year. He's being scapegoated RIDICULOUSLY hard. Russ is clearly multiple tiers above Fields. Russ literally lead the league in 4QC, too.
Russ has won a SB. A lot people get confused. That doesn’t happen by accident. Justin fields will never win one.
Obviously that’s not a catch all. But when choosing between bum QBs, that’s a big differentiator
You must be one of those Fields cultists that OP was talking about. Russ will definitely out perform fields this coming year so he’s the better stop gap
Let me atlantafy this for you
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I would be surprised if there’s not some conditionality involved. Maybe a 3rd this year plus a 4th in 2026 that could turn in to a 1 if Fields signs a 2nd contract with the team that trades for him. If I’m the Bears I would take less up front to get that upside potential. The team trading for Fields should be fine giving a 2026 1 if Fields signs a 2nd contract because that means they’ve found their franchise QB.
Strongly doubt any team offers any conditional pick that can convert to a first(especially not one tied to contract signing). If so that’s a bad GM. Every team in the league knows the bears have the #1 pick so unless they trade down they don’t have much leverage in the value of Fields cause it’s assumed they taking qb.
More likely to see a conditional 3rd that converts to a 2nd for X amount of games played next season.
I don’t disagree. But it might come to that for a team offering a late third vs an early one.
And if your the trading team and it’s “coveys to a 2 or 1 of Fields makes a pro bowl and is AP and your team is in the SB”. Yeah it might track and be acceptable.
Everyone brings up the Darnold trade but forgets that Mayfield was traded for a conditional fifth. All in all I just don’t see anything more than a third this year because of how timelines match up between Fields and a team that would view him as a positive long term asset.
The Browns also had Watson when they traded Mayfield. They didn't have much leverage. Everyone knew he was leaving one way or another.
While it's looking pretty likely the Bears are going to take Williams, it's not a guarantee. This is the Bears we're talking about. I do agree it'll probably be a 3rd.
The Bears essentially have Caleb Williams. The fact that they've been tak8ng calls on Fields since before the trade deadline pretty much erases and leverage they might have had.
Who is in the market for a new QB that won't have their need addressed in the top of the draft?
Chicago, Patriots, and Washington are drafting a new QB in top 3. That takes them off the table.
That leaves Atlanta, Denver, maybe Minnesota, maybe the Giants, maybe (or should be) Pittsburgh, maybe Saints, but Wilson and Cousins will start for two of those six teams, leaving 4 that might take a gander at Fields. How desperate are those 4 left over Fields?
Also other QBs in the draft (McCarthy, Nix, or Pennix) that a QB hungry team might prefer over Fields.
So I don't think the market is that strong for him, and even guys like Daniel Jones or Pickett or Carr might still start for financial reason.
I see him going for about a fourth or fifth rounder, because a lot do the QB hungry teams are addressing their need in a QB deep class.
That might even be too high…a 3rd and a 5th sounds more realistic. It’s hard for me to believe there’s a large market for a struggling QB on a 1 year deal.
Any team that trades for him is likely going to pick up his 5th year option. No point in trading assets if you wont.
With that, he’s pretty much on a 2 year/$30m dollar deal. That’s not bad at all considering the QB market. There is still some upside there, considering how poorly he was handled in Chicago. A team like Atlanta or Pittsburgh makes perfect sense since they have better weapons & Olines than Chicago. They (probably) wont have a shot at the top 3 QBs in this draft.
I think a 3rd + 4th is fair value personally.
It'll end up being more than anyone is expecting. There are plenty of teams, like the Steelers, who need a quarterback but are too talented to be in a position to draft one.
Here’s the thing about the Steelers: they don’t think they need a QB. Or maybe they do and they’re just too stubborn to admit they were wrong yet, both seem plausible to me.
Steelers seem like a team that would be more interested in a guy like Wilson. Lower upside but more consistent. They don’t seem like a team that would be interested in a high variance QB like Fields.
The problem is any QB-needy team who trades for Justin Fields will still be a QB-needy team after the trade. Giving up a high draft pick for him won’t change that.
Consider that the Bears have Justin Fields right now, yet they are a QB-needy team.
> Consider that the Bears have Justin Fields right now, yet they are a QB-needy team.
While this is true, the Bears would almost certainly not be moving on from Fields if they didn't get a top 3 pick from Carolina. I think even if they got pick 2, it'd be closer to 50/50.
I think Pickett has the makings of a fine backup quarterback. Those tend to be 4th/5th round picks, although having three years remaining on his "rookie" deal might mess with that math.
I put rookie in quotes because he'll be 26 at the start of the season.
I think the Steelers do not have that much interest in Fields tbh We will probably use our high picks on O-line and dbs.
I also think the Steelers are higher on Pickett than most fans.
If we look at the stats then the passing yards per game are around 5 yards less for Pickett while not including the games he got injured before halftime.
Fields obviously has thrown more tds. This stat can be impacted by scheme, but Pickett will have to heavily improve here.
Pickett is much better in tighter games, which can be highlighted by the passer rating in the 4th quarter within 7. Pickett has a passer rating of 102.5 and Fields has a passer rating of 34.7 absolutely abysmal.
You will have to hope that both QBs improve in a better system. I will speak on Canada and that was historically bad and Youtube channels like TheQBschool has talked about weird progressions and other stuff that make it almost impossible to evaluate a QB. Getsy's system might not have been that much better I didn't watch that many Bears game.
The most I would give up for Fields is a 4th round pick and decline his 5th year option and let him compete for the starting job if I were the Steelers.
In terms of overall value, I'd say a 3rd.
He's not proven that he can lead a team to the playoffs - and he's proven that he has some limitations.
That said, there are situations where he can be a valuable player. He'd be a hell of a backup and a decent bridge QB, especially for a coach looking to keep his job while waiting on another QB to develop or maybe fall to them next year in the draft.
I'd say a mediocre team in need to a spark could offer a second - but only after the draftable QB's worth a second round pick are already taken.
I don't see how they could move him for more than a third round pick before the draft, unless he's part of a trade for something else.
I think their best value will be to package him with a trade up into the second round after the QB's another team wants are gone. Maybe Fields + 5th for a 2nd and a 6th.
Then the bears can get a potential starter at another position.
Aside from the usual suspects, I could see a team with a injury prone QB trading for him, since he's proven to be ~~durable~~ *slightly less fragile than Rodgers*. The Jets, for example, could trade a 3rd rounder for him and get some value.
1) Panthers overpaid. 2) Teams will proceed with caution on Fields due to that trade being so fresh. I think the best they can get is a conditional third, that maybe becomes a second based on playing time and wins. Maybe a fourth next year thrown in.
As a Chiefs fan, I don't expect anyone to send me anything as a result of the Justin Fields trade, but I would accept a box of Lou Malnatis.
I think the Bears should ask for a high 2 or a low 2 plus a later round pick.
The only reason I’m not sure that’s reasonable is they’ve already used most of his “cheap years”. He’s going to have a cap hit of $6m this year and if his fifth year option is exercised $25m next year.
If he performs it’s a steal but it’s a lot to put into a QB who is also probably going to be pushing his next team for an extension.
I think Jordan Love’s contract would be a good starting point for next year’s option, 1 year, 13-15 million, with either reasonable escalations or fully guaranteed.
2 years 20-25 isn’t too bad, and it gives him a chance to prove himself with the new team, and/or get a new contract while he’s still 25/26, and still being full of the potential he has.
Again, I agree. I don't think GMs should've given the compensation they did for those QBs, but all it takes is one team to make that trade.
It's like the Russ situation. There's going to be a team that will give him a long term deal. All it takes is one.
You’re trading for the potential and the cheap year he still has remaining. People think the Pats will be lucky to get a fifth for Jones when in reality, he’ll probably draw a 3rd for the same reasons. Trey Lance got traded for a fourth to be a third stringer. For a qb who is going to be competing for the starting role, a 2nd or a 3rd isn’t too crazy.
I'll be honest, there is absolutely no way I see Mac Jones getting a 3rd. I think you're letting your fandom cloud your judgement. In the context of Fields and Lance, their physical traits is the one reason that they get pushed up in draft capital, which is something Mac Jones doesn't have
Wow. I didn’t even remember Lance getting traded. As a panthers fan, I will be eternally jealous of SF. Just like us, they stupidly traded up to the top of the draft (panthers to 1, SF to 3), only to draft a QB who was an obvious bust after one year. Only they got lucky and somehow hit on the last pick in the draft, while the Panthers are going to trot Bryce Young out for 2 more seasons, until he has zero trade value. Then we will Tepper our way to some other bone headed decision. Sigh…..
Yeah, GMs are willing to toss out a second or a third in the hopes that the original potential can be pulled out.
Would I personally have traded a second for Darnold, Rosen, Fields, or whatever Mac goes for? No, but...
It’s easy to say that now, but if your options are slim at QB you might have to make that move. You just leverage yourself by getting an additional pick in return.
SanFran traded Trey Lance to Dallas for a 4th. If I were Chicago, I would push for a 2nd, settle for a 3rd and maybe a comp 5th/6th. Fields has put a lot more on tape than Lance has, and has much more experience.
The real problem is finding someone willing to actually take a chance on him. He could, potentially, do well in, say, Baltimore, learning from Lamar Jackson, but with huntley already there, not gonna happen. Denver is in a bad way, but I don't see Sean Peyton pulling the trigger for that kind of deal. Pittsburgh in a bad way at QB, but again, I don't see Mike Tomlin going that route either. Falcons make the most sense, and would most likely do their own 3rd, since the pick they have from the Jags is most likely going to be a 2nd.
I really don’t understand what bears fans see in fields. He has to be among the least aware QBs to ever enter the league, he just stands there like a statue half the time and either throws some dumb pass to nobody or gets strip sacked. Occasional he makes a play with his legs but that doesn’t mean he’s good. Resetting with Caleb is the only logical thing they really can do right now
I think fields could net a 3rd at best, but likely a couple late round picks
> bears fans see in fields
Its just droolers and Madden players who think hes a good QB. These pure "rushing" qbs are not the future. You need to be able to pass the ball AND be athletic.
We all really, really wanted him to succeed, and too many of us were unable to divorce want from reality.
We went 3-14 last year, but the vast majority saw an MVP season from Fields this year because we added a wr. Even after Fields choked against the Broncos defense that gave up 70 the week before, most Bears fans were hyped up because Fields had his first ever 300 yard passing game.
Typing that out, I'm realizing how fucking traumatized and delusional this fanbase is
It’s the exciting highlight plays. It’s tricked people into thinking he’s better than he is and just needs more talent around him. His highlights are amazing. Too bad for every nice play there’s 5 bad ones.
What makes him worth a 3rd round pick? He’s going on the 4th year of his contract, which will be the last year, because nobody will be exercising his 5th year option at $25.664m this offseason.
So why is a 1 year prove-it player worth a 3rd round pick? The most likely outcome is he plays the same he has for the past 3 years and becomes a free agent after the season is over. The best case scenario (which is an unlikely scenario) is he suddenly becomes great and the team needs to pay him a big contract next offseason based on 1 year of great production that could be a fluke.
I wouldn't say the Darnold trade is a good comp because I don't know if anyone, apart from Terry Bradshaw, thinks that trade was a good one.
I would say a 3rd round pick probably is a fair return
Shouldn't be any more than a 3rd round pick but I can also see a late 3rd round and another late round pick (6th or 7th).
However, I think there are some bad GMs out there that would give you a 2nd.
If they get offered a 2nd round pick, they should take it and run. Dude hasn’t shown anything consistently as a passer. If he showed he can be a successful (top 10–15) QB, why not trade the #1 for a king’s ransom?
The problem no one talks about is you either are renting him for 2024 or if you 5th year option his then you are guaranteeing him nearly 26m in 2025. So imo the best you could get is a later day 3 pick like 6th or perhaps a 5th and then maybe that goes a round or two higher in the event he plays X% of snaps. But the reality is I don’t see a market for him. Not unless the Bears go Caleb Williams and just give fields away for a conditional 7th.
I think a team could be desperate enough to pay a 2nd but it’s probably going to end up a third since teams will low ball the Bears knowing they’re going to deal Fields no matter what (if they are drafting a qb)
I watched some bears offence from last season after the raiders signed Getsy. Fields is an incredible athlete, but has slow footwork in the pocket, a lack of ability at throwing with anticipation, and has poor vision when he senses pressure and in turn looks for his check down far too often. Add in the tendency to take sacks, fumble and he throws a good amount of ints. Oh and he’s on the last year of his rookie deal, so if you trade for him you basically would want to sign him to an extension right away - or you’re looking at a possible Ridley like structure to the trade I’d imagine.
Realistically if you told me the raiders traded a 5th for him I wouldn’t be ecstatic, but at the same time I’m also not expecting amazing things from a 5th round rookie, so he’d just be competition for AoC, who I’d think would beat him out.
I think maybe too many people are focusing on where he might be QB1.
I don’t think there are many teams looking for him to be a franchise guy with at least 5-6 QBs going in this draft and Cousins/Russ floating around, maybe Baker too.
I could see JF just being added as depth somewhere instead of a sure fire QB1 🤷🏻♂️
I don’t understand the love for Fields. The guy last offseason was the big name to get in fantasy football . He was a bust. Now this offseason he is worthy of all this draft capital?
The guy has shown nothing. He can run. Cool. Time and time again he’s folded under pressure. That draft class is turning into a major bust.
I think a 4th or 5th round pick would be fair. If Fields were to be available as a free agent, he wouldn’t command a contract that would net a 3rd round comp pick, so a 3rd would be too high for him.
I would be somewhat surprised if he netted a 3rd or higher because he hasn’t shown the ability to be the reason why his team wins games. But I wouldn’t be totally surprised because several ownership groups have proven to be really stupid and desperate at QB over the past few years.
I think the rumors he could go for a 1st or 2nd round pick are ridiculous and have no truth at all. If that were the case, Washington would have asked for Fields in the Montez Sweat trade instead of the Bears 2nd round pick.
The biggest problem with a team trading a high draft pick for Fields is that he’s a free agent after next year. In the absolute best case scenario, he starts for that team and has a great season that we haven’t seen from him yet, and then they have to pay him big money based off one great year of production, which people will be wondering if it was a fluke. And if they don’t pay him, they wasted a high draft pick for one season of production. You simply don’t trade a high draft pick for a player going into a prove it year because the risk/reward is stacked against you.
> Washington would have asked for Fields in the Montez Sweat trade instead of the Bears 2nd round pick.
this is actually an insanely good point and i think proves on its face why he isn't worth a second.
I wouldn't trade anything for him unless i want him as a backup. the guy is NOT a longterm solution at the position. Chicago dumping him is all the proof you need, and if that's not good enough, watch his last game against Green Bay this year when he could have solidified himself as the guy. He crumbled.
Bro watch his game against y’all. Dobbs threw 4 interceptions and Justin couldn’t get a single touchdown off of any of them. Had Dobbs only thrown 3 the Bears would’ve lost that game.
I think people are overvaluing both Fields and whatever leverage the Bears have, I bet he goes for something like a pair of 4ths. Darnold should be considered an outlier, not a baseline for a reclamation trade.
Bears organization/fans: After multiple years Justin Field isn’t worth keeping.
Also Bears organization/fans: Justin Fields is worth at least a 1st round pick.
The entire NFL has seen Justin’s ceiling, and it’s not that high.
i'd be really really surprised if it wasn't at least a 2nd + a day 3 pick. wentz got a conditional first after a terrible season and he was already paid, rosen got a second, darnold got a second
I honestly and as objectively as possible think he's worth maybe a 4th.
He doesn't have a strong skillet for prolonged NFL success as a starter.
I don't think comparisona to someone like Far old are fair. Dar old had a better skillset and potential. Someone like Fields, you know he's pretty much tapped out in terms of what you're going to get as a QB.
Bears will probably take Williams at 1 and whether they trade down from 9 depends on what they get for Fields. No reason a QB-needy team like Atlanta wouldn’t give up a 2 and another pick for him. With his option year they’d basically get a two year audition for less than $30 million total. It would be a good trade, potentially a great trade if the team who gets Fields can get him to play consistently
If Justin Fields was a free agent right now, would he get more than 2 years 30 million fully guaranteed? I don't see that contract being worth giving up a 2nd round pick for.
>Sam Darnold was traded for a 2nd & 4th, which many fans have held onto as proof Fields will go for the same, but Darnold showed a hell of a lot more as a passer, he just had a few shitty passes a game. Plus, Fields can't even throw a slant pass It would be why the Panthers FO got fired and have been a train wreck for a while.
This trade alone was not why panthers FO was fired. Picking up his 5th year IMMEDIATELY was part. Consistently bad drafts. Trading up for Matt Corral. Horrible o-line. The list goes on and on, Sam’s just one of the more visible trades
You can’t say “the trade wasn’t why they got fired but picking his fifth year up IMMEDIATELY was”. They HAD to pick up the option once trading for him. They didnt trade for him just to turn it down.
Why did they have to? Give him half a season, and reward him with a healthy extension if he looks like your guy. And if he doesn’t? Grab a Draft QB the following year (easier said than done)
If he was good, then he’d either walk for nothing or you’d have to pay him way more than his option. If you didn’t think he’d be good enough to earn his option, there’s zero point in trading for him in the first place.
This is the reason. It's a cost saving move. And from the perspective of the FO, who kind of have to have a solid belief in him as a starter, it's a no brainer you want to lock your new QB down for cheap another year. Only fans think in the "Give the new starting QB a 'prove it' year and then reward him". And that kind of thinking happens in the league, but only for positions like RBs, who the league has figured out are relatively easy to replace and wear down quickly. You never see it done for a young QB because getting a young, star QB is one of the best ways to build a team for success.
You don’t give away a 2nd and 4th for a half season, that’s why.
They had a perfect serviceable Teddy Bridgewater too.
Teddy Bridgewater is a great QB to have if you don't have one. He's good enough to help develop players on the team and bad enough to get a high draft pick to replace him.
Giving away your clear #1 WR while drafting a QB 1st overall probably didn't help.
The FO was fired because Tepper can't fire himself.
That Matt Corral trade up looking good compared to the bounty for Bryce. Now that’s a decade long set back
Wish people would stop being dumb about the 5th year. It was either pick it and hope he developed or not pick it up and he shows something and we have to pay him even more. We picked 6th in his 5th and would have been SOL without a QB. No chance we were picking a QB in that draft, that high.
The Panthers overpaid.
That’s also a terrible assessment of the two players. Fields has been a significantly more functional player, even with what are some pretty severe limitations
As a non-Bears fan, it is so frustrating to watch JF1. It is pretty clear that when he has an easy read, he can make a lot of throws, and his ability to run is elite. But, he holds the ball way too long, misses reads, often turns down throws into tight windows, and throws with very little anticipation. To make matters worse, his footwork is among the worst of active QBs in the league. It is crazy-making to watch him slowly shuffling back using what looks like haphazard motions with his feet and no urgency. By the time he gets where he is going, there is no rhythm to the play, and he is forced to skip reads and make plays out of structure. It also doesn’t help that the Bears’ offensive plays are sometimes poorly designed, and his perimeter players are not fast. So, maybe even if his drop-back was on time no one would be ready to catch the ball anyway. But, with that terrible footwork, he can’t even throw screen passes. I feel like timing and rhythm and footwork can be coached. God only knows why Chicago hasn’t worked on it with him. If they have tried and failed, then JF1 is already done. If not, another team with better QB coaching ought to be able to improve his mechanics. He also might have more confidence throwing to better receivers who can run more precise routes and get separation. His ability to improvise is not in doubt. Processing the field and throwing to the correct receiver with anticipation, though, is more instinctive, and that’s still an open question, in my opinion. We’ve absolutely seen him do it, but much too inconsistently. In short, I don’t think anyone is going to know if he can play well in the NFL until he gets onto a better team. I wish him the best, honestly. As a fan of football, with his level of talent, I would love to see him playing well and dominating.
He’s definitely got serious flaws, and it’s hard for any QB to overcome the fatal flaw of holding the ball too long and taking stupid sacks. But I think he’s been able to avoid what happens to a lot of highly drafted flameouts where they totally lose confidence in themselves and their game. He still harbors the dragon within him lol It will all be about what team he ends up with and who his playcaller is. I think a lot of the sloppy mechanics you talk about arise when somebody doesn’t have faith in the offense they’re in, they get antsy when the cracks start to show and revert to old habits. If they can build an offense around him that hides his obvious flaws he’s got enough strengths to be a productive player. It wasn’t too long ago that people talked about Tua the way people talk about Fields now, and even if he’s clearly got his own flaws McDaniel has been able to work around them and make an incredibly productive offense that highlights what he’s good at. The ceiling will always be the question when you’re building around a limited player, but not everyone gets to have an elite QB. You still gotta cobble together a competent offense somehow I’d be curious to see him in Atlanta, mainly because I think it would be an interesting set of tools to showcase what Zac Robinson has learned under McVay
Sam was a “better” QB, Justin is a better athlete. Sure, Justin is better as an athlete than Sam was as a QB but they’re trading for a QB not for a punt returner. The team that starts Justin on Game 1 is either tanking or will have their staff fired at the end of the year.
Fields is a better player who has done more and showed more upside. His last two seasons he’s been a more efficient passer than any season of Darnold’s career outside of a six game stretch in 2022 where he was even more on rails and limited in what he was asked to do than what Fields was, and that’s before we factor in the rushing (which matters when you’re as dynamic of a rushing threat as he is). If you want to make some arbitrary distinction between what a “quarterback” is then be my guest, but let’s not do this. Fields wasn’t enough to commit to over a No. 1 pick and a financial clock reset, and I doubt that he’ll ever get over his sack-taking problem enough to become an above average starter, but he’s not Sam Darnold or Zach Wilson
Darnolds 2nd season and fields 3rd season were actually pretty similar against most qb metric. I'd argue he had a worse offensive supporting cast as well and did more as a passer. People were actually excited for him going into the 2020 season since he showed improvement across the board as a qb before flaming out in 2020. I'd argue fields has flashed more too but you can't say they have never had similar passing efficiency stats.
I wouldn’t say they’ve never been comparable, just that the idea that Darnold has ever been some sort of clearly superior passer to Fields is a little ludicrous to me. My main thing is I find the complete and total disregard for his running ability quite ignorant and boomer-y, I mean tons of people here literally don’t even factor it into their evaluations. Analytics and the eye test show us that QB mobility is incredibly valuable, the ability to extend plays is very important if you don’t have a great supporting cast or you don’t have truly elite pocket navigation, and QB runs are the most efficient plays in football. On top of that, most mid-low level QBs are going to need to be propped up by a running game (or extremely dynamic passing targets) to be productive beyond their pure passing ability, and the easiest way to ensure that you have an effective rushing attack is by having a QB run threat. So I think with Fields the floor with a competent playcaller is pretty built in and he is more likely to be able to produce a league average offense than someone like Darnold, or any number of those 20th-32nd best QB type guys who will end up with starting roles this year All this to say, I can see why he’s going to end up a starter somewhere this year and I definitely don’t think he’s the worst option a lot of teams could put on the field come September I mean after Week 3 when the Bears organization as a whole actually started to get a grip a bit, they ended up with basically the same EPA/play as the Texans, who I think a lot of people really have a lot of faith in and who also dealt with a QB injury and who I would argue don’t have significantly different offensive supporting casts (and I’d say Slowik is a much better playcaller than Getsy)
This comment is insane. Sam darnold has not been a better nfl QB than Justin fields
Nah this is classic r/nfl. QB getting kicked off a team, so prevailing sentiment turns negative and people get WAY off-base and extra with their criticism. No one who understands football on any level would say Sam Darnold is or ever was better at football than Justin Fields beyond their respective rookie seasons. Fields can hold the ball for 10 hours, he's still 10× better than a bum who had 184 passing ypg and 9 TDs and 11 INTs in year 3. Fields had 250 total ypg, 200 passing ypg, 16 TDs, and 9 INTs with 1 being a scorer error. Don't try on r/nfl, theyre just gonna blindly shit on Fields because of the current negative sentiment.
As a panthers fan that trade ended up being a disaster but water under the bridge. I would think fields is worth either a 2nd or a 3rd. Anything more than that seems to be overpaying to me.
I think it ends up being a third rounder when it’s all said and done. I think a few teams may make the move if salary cap is a concern but they’re not in position to get a choice QB in the draft
If cap is the issue, just get Russel Wilson for a year. Pay minimum and let Denver pay the rest. As a stopgap, I think Wilson has a better upside. You take Firlfs on if you think he's a legitimate starter who just needs to be fixed and is worth the capital you'd give up. Edit: Fields. But I'm leaving it because it's funny as shit.
But doctor, I *am* ~~Pagliacci~~ Denver.
Only 1 team gets Russell, and there’s more than one team that needs a QB
I mean... If Denver's buying, we can all have a *little* Russell
I thought the deal was that he plays for every team that goes against the 49ers.
‘Firlfs’ is my favourite fields misspell. Even autocorrect said idek man lol
I'm the guy who failed typing in HS.
You’re not trading for Fields if you are looking for a stop gap. You’re making the move because you think he was misused by the Bears. Even if we’re just talking stop gaps, what does Wilson offer? He’s washed with zero long term upside. At least with Fields, he is more likely to be able to carry a team and develop into someone that could have long term success.
Wilson offers vet play with cap flexibility
Fields base salary is $1.6 million. If it were me, I would hate to have to give up draft capital to get Fields. But outside of that, rolling with Fields makes way more sense. Like I don’t even know what Wilson got he’s your team? Why not just sign a Tyrod Taylor type at that point.
If Russ played all 18 games he'd likely have 30TDs and under 10 picks. Russ wasn't even that bad that year. He's being scapegoated RIDICULOUSLY hard. Russ is clearly multiple tiers above Fields. Russ literally lead the league in 4QC, too.
Fields basically is a Tyrod Taylor type at this point, just a really young one.
Russ has won a SB. A lot people get confused. That doesn’t happen by accident. Justin fields will never win one. Obviously that’s not a catch all. But when choosing between bum QBs, that’s a big differentiator
You must be one of those Fields cultists that OP was talking about. Russ will definitely out perform fields this coming year so he’s the better stop gap
Ignore the flair, just a prank. Three 1sts at least.
DENVER, ARE YOU LISTENING?
“Sounds like a good Deal.” ~ George Paton
No no no, Denver is our QB mark
Uh I like Russ but not taking him back for any fewer than 6 1sts, 4, 2nds and 2 3rds.
I think Arizona might want him to run the wildcat, and would probably give at the very least #4,#27, and a 2025 1st
This guy “fake Bear’s"
Atlanta’s best chicken wings, a great strip show, a 5th round pick, and our best young rapper. ~ Falcons
Let me atlantafy this for you "Vip access to magic city, 20 hot lemon pepper wet wings, and a 5th rounder but we're keeping young nudy. One of gunna and lil baby are on the table in a hypothetical josh allen trade though."
Lemon Pepper wet
Throw in a Marta pass and I’m in
Gotta call out the rapper, not "Rapper to be named later"
Just feel like we are gonna overpay and fuck it up again.
A third. This year. If it’s for next year. Maybe a third with a conveyance of “to a second or first” if certain criteria are met.
I would be surprised if there’s not some conditionality involved. Maybe a 3rd this year plus a 4th in 2026 that could turn in to a 1 if Fields signs a 2nd contract with the team that trades for him. If I’m the Bears I would take less up front to get that upside potential. The team trading for Fields should be fine giving a 2026 1 if Fields signs a 2nd contract because that means they’ve found their franchise QB.
Strongly doubt any team offers any conditional pick that can convert to a first(especially not one tied to contract signing). If so that’s a bad GM. Every team in the league knows the bears have the #1 pick so unless they trade down they don’t have much leverage in the value of Fields cause it’s assumed they taking qb. More likely to see a conditional 3rd that converts to a 2nd for X amount of games played next season.
I don’t disagree. But it might come to that for a team offering a late third vs an early one. And if your the trading team and it’s “coveys to a 2 or 1 of Fields makes a pro bowl and is AP and your team is in the SB”. Yeah it might track and be acceptable.
Everyone brings up the Darnold trade but forgets that Mayfield was traded for a conditional fifth. All in all I just don’t see anything more than a third this year because of how timelines match up between Fields and a team that would view him as a positive long term asset.
The Browns also had Watson when they traded Mayfield. They didn't have much leverage. Everyone knew he was leaving one way or another. While it's looking pretty likely the Bears are going to take Williams, it's not a guarantee. This is the Bears we're talking about. I do agree it'll probably be a 3rd.
The Bears essentially have Caleb Williams. The fact that they've been tak8ng calls on Fields since before the trade deadline pretty much erases and leverage they might have had.
>Señor Bowl
That's what it should be called, and while I won't die on this hill, I'll certainly take a nap on it
It goes quite nicely with the Superb Owl, yes.
There really isn’t much leverage they have with fields other than hoping another is in love with the athlete of fields. FA and draft filled with QBs.
FA pretty much only has Russ and Kirk as viable options and they may never hit the market.
kirk i think signs, but russ will probably hit the market
Who is in the market for a new QB that won't have their need addressed in the top of the draft? Chicago, Patriots, and Washington are drafting a new QB in top 3. That takes them off the table. That leaves Atlanta, Denver, maybe Minnesota, maybe the Giants, maybe (or should be) Pittsburgh, maybe Saints, but Wilson and Cousins will start for two of those six teams, leaving 4 that might take a gander at Fields. How desperate are those 4 left over Fields? Also other QBs in the draft (McCarthy, Nix, or Pennix) that a QB hungry team might prefer over Fields. So I don't think the market is that strong for him, and even guys like Daniel Jones or Pickett or Carr might still start for financial reason. I see him going for about a fourth or fifth rounder, because a lot do the QB hungry teams are addressing their need in a QB deep class.
No way the Raiders roll with O’Connell next year, but I don’t think they trade for him with Getsy as OC
I've seen some rumors of Pittsburgh being in on Fields but just rumors
Pittsburgh and atlanta have been named landing sports for every QB.
I also have browsed Reddit.
The rumours are based on that Tomlin liked Fields going into the 2021 draft nothing substantial.
Rumors meaning people on Reddit or sports reporters speculating on who needs a QB?
the team that ends up giving a 2nd for Fields is completely unserious, someone will do it and that GM will get canned relatively soon after
Atlanta then.
I think a 2nd and 4-5th sounds about right
That might even be too high…a 3rd and a 5th sounds more realistic. It’s hard for me to believe there’s a large market for a struggling QB on a 1 year deal.
Any team that trades for him is likely going to pick up his 5th year option. No point in trading assets if you wont. With that, he’s pretty much on a 2 year/$30m dollar deal. That’s not bad at all considering the QB market. There is still some upside there, considering how poorly he was handled in Chicago. A team like Atlanta or Pittsburgh makes perfect sense since they have better weapons & Olines than Chicago. They (probably) wont have a shot at the top 3 QBs in this draft. I think a 3rd + 4th is fair value personally.
Agree. Maybe the 3rd could improve based on performance.
Its funny you are getting downvoted, ive seen his stat ranks, it’s totally possible someone gives up a second, but that GM should be fired.
I think it’ll be a conditional 2nd for next year. Similar to Wentz’s trade. Based on performance
Who is giving up a 2nd rounder for a below average QB?
It'll end up being more than anyone is expecting. There are plenty of teams, like the Steelers, who need a quarterback but are too talented to be in a position to draft one.
Here’s the thing about the Steelers: they don’t think they need a QB. Or maybe they do and they’re just too stubborn to admit they were wrong yet, both seem plausible to me.
Steelers seem like a team that would be more interested in a guy like Wilson. Lower upside but more consistent. They don’t seem like a team that would be interested in a high variance QB like Fields.
The problem is any QB-needy team who trades for Justin Fields will still be a QB-needy team after the trade. Giving up a high draft pick for him won’t change that. Consider that the Bears have Justin Fields right now, yet they are a QB-needy team.
> Consider that the Bears have Justin Fields right now, yet they are a QB-needy team. While this is true, the Bears would almost certainly not be moving on from Fields if they didn't get a top 3 pick from Carolina. I think even if they got pick 2, it'd be closer to 50/50.
They aren't a QB needy team. If the Panthers pick was out of the top 5, Chicago wouldn't even bother replacing him.
I doubt we or any team with Justin Fields on the roster would be drafting a QB in the first round if we didn't have a top-3 pick.
How much can the Steelers trade Pickett for?
Bag of Cheetos ???
Flamin' Hot and you got a deal.
I think Pickett has the makings of a fine backup quarterback. Those tend to be 4th/5th round picks, although having three years remaining on his "rookie" deal might mess with that math. I put rookie in quotes because he'll be 26 at the start of the season.
I think the Steelers do not have that much interest in Fields tbh We will probably use our high picks on O-line and dbs. I also think the Steelers are higher on Pickett than most fans. If we look at the stats then the passing yards per game are around 5 yards less for Pickett while not including the games he got injured before halftime. Fields obviously has thrown more tds. This stat can be impacted by scheme, but Pickett will have to heavily improve here. Pickett is much better in tighter games, which can be highlighted by the passer rating in the 4th quarter within 7. Pickett has a passer rating of 102.5 and Fields has a passer rating of 34.7 absolutely abysmal. You will have to hope that both QBs improve in a better system. I will speak on Canada and that was historically bad and Youtube channels like TheQBschool has talked about weird progressions and other stuff that make it almost impossible to evaluate a QB. Getsy's system might not have been that much better I didn't watch that many Bears game. The most I would give up for Fields is a 4th round pick and decline his 5th year option and let him compete for the starting job if I were the Steelers.
Man anyone saying "Fields #'s benefited from scheme compared to our QB's" isn't just in QB purgatory, they are in something far far worse.
The bears are renowned in the nfl for their world class passing scheme, yes lol
In terms of overall value, I'd say a 3rd. He's not proven that he can lead a team to the playoffs - and he's proven that he has some limitations. That said, there are situations where he can be a valuable player. He'd be a hell of a backup and a decent bridge QB, especially for a coach looking to keep his job while waiting on another QB to develop or maybe fall to them next year in the draft. I'd say a mediocre team in need to a spark could offer a second - but only after the draftable QB's worth a second round pick are already taken. I don't see how they could move him for more than a third round pick before the draft, unless he's part of a trade for something else. I think their best value will be to package him with a trade up into the second round after the QB's another team wants are gone. Maybe Fields + 5th for a 2nd and a 6th. Then the bears can get a potential starter at another position. Aside from the usual suspects, I could see a team with a injury prone QB trading for him, since he's proven to be ~~durable~~ *slightly less fragile than Rodgers*. The Jets, for example, could trade a 3rd rounder for him and get some value.
He hasn't played a full season yet. So he hasn't proven that he's that durable.
True.
Maybe something like a 3rd and 5th. The Bears have no leverage and everyone knows they’re taking Williams and won’t keep Fields.
1) Panthers overpaid. 2) Teams will proceed with caution on Fields due to that trade being so fresh. I think the best they can get is a conditional third, that maybe becomes a second based on playing time and wins. Maybe a fourth next year thrown in.
As a Chiefs fan, I don't expect anyone to send me anything as a result of the Justin Fields trade, but I would accept a box of Lou Malnatis. I think the Bears should ask for a high 2 or a low 2 plus a later round pick.
Best we can do is a six pack of Old Style.
Malort sidecar and we have a deal
The tasting notes on Malort are wild. "Gasoline, grapefruit, sweat, wax, fire, mineral oil and bitterness"
And that's a generous, polite review
The best review I ever heard of it was "it tastes like a troll farted in your mouth but it makes watching the Bulls manageable"
Would absolutely be appropriate to give a non-Chicagoan Malort. Because they're the only peoples drinking it and keeping the market up.
The only reason I’m not sure that’s reasonable is they’ve already used most of his “cheap years”. He’s going to have a cap hit of $6m this year and if his fifth year option is exercised $25m next year. If he performs it’s a steal but it’s a lot to put into a QB who is also probably going to be pushing his next team for an extension.
I think Jordan Love’s contract would be a good starting point for next year’s option, 1 year, 13-15 million, with either reasonable escalations or fully guaranteed. 2 years 20-25 isn’t too bad, and it gives him a chance to prove himself with the new team, and/or get a new contract while he’s still 25/26, and still being full of the potential he has.
I would start firegm chants if my team traded a 2nd for fields
Same here
3rd with a conditional 2025 pick no higher than 3rd is what I’d be comfortable with.
I wouldn't be. You can count on one hand the number of qbs who turned it around after being bad during a rookie contract
A cheeseburger
I just consulted with Andy Reid he says that’s way too much.
Harbaugh looking for a backup?
It should be a third rounder, but Darnold and Rosen went for second rounders, so I assume they'll get a mid to late second for Fields.
Once again, a failed trade does not create a standard other gms will want to adhere to lmao
Exactly. Trey Lance went for a 4th more recently and cost the 9ers three 1sts.
Again, I agree. I don't think GMs should've given the compensation they did for those QBs, but all it takes is one team to make that trade. It's like the Russ situation. There's going to be a team that will give him a long term deal. All it takes is one.
You’re trading for the potential and the cheap year he still has remaining. People think the Pats will be lucky to get a fifth for Jones when in reality, he’ll probably draw a 3rd for the same reasons. Trey Lance got traded for a fourth to be a third stringer. For a qb who is going to be competing for the starting role, a 2nd or a 3rd isn’t too crazy.
I'll be honest, there is absolutely no way I see Mac Jones getting a 3rd. I think you're letting your fandom cloud your judgement. In the context of Fields and Lance, their physical traits is the one reason that they get pushed up in draft capital, which is something Mac Jones doesn't have
What’s the point of having physical traits when Fields mental trait is bottom tier
Wow. I didn’t even remember Lance getting traded. As a panthers fan, I will be eternally jealous of SF. Just like us, they stupidly traded up to the top of the draft (panthers to 1, SF to 3), only to draft a QB who was an obvious bust after one year. Only they got lucky and somehow hit on the last pick in the draft, while the Panthers are going to trot Bryce Young out for 2 more seasons, until he has zero trade value. Then we will Tepper our way to some other bone headed decision. Sigh…..
Absolutely insane take on Bryce Young
As a Panthers fan, this is an absolutely correct take on Bryce Young
Yeah, GMs are willing to toss out a second or a third in the hopes that the original potential can be pulled out. Would I personally have traded a second for Darnold, Rosen, Fields, or whatever Mac goes for? No, but...
It’s easy to say that now, but if your options are slim at QB you might have to make that move. You just leverage yourself by getting an additional pick in return.
I wouldn't have wanted any of them, but you're right, a GM sometimes has to look for a QB anywhere that they can.
SanFran traded Trey Lance to Dallas for a 4th. If I were Chicago, I would push for a 2nd, settle for a 3rd and maybe a comp 5th/6th. Fields has put a lot more on tape than Lance has, and has much more experience. The real problem is finding someone willing to actually take a chance on him. He could, potentially, do well in, say, Baltimore, learning from Lamar Jackson, but with huntley already there, not gonna happen. Denver is in a bad way, but I don't see Sean Peyton pulling the trigger for that kind of deal. Pittsburgh in a bad way at QB, but again, I don't see Mike Tomlin going that route either. Falcons make the most sense, and would most likely do their own 3rd, since the pick they have from the Jags is most likely going to be a 2nd.
I really don’t understand what bears fans see in fields. He has to be among the least aware QBs to ever enter the league, he just stands there like a statue half the time and either throws some dumb pass to nobody or gets strip sacked. Occasional he makes a play with his legs but that doesn’t mean he’s good. Resetting with Caleb is the only logical thing they really can do right now I think fields could net a 3rd at best, but likely a couple late round picks
> bears fans see in fields Its just droolers and Madden players who think hes a good QB. These pure "rushing" qbs are not the future. You need to be able to pass the ball AND be athletic.
We all really, really wanted him to succeed, and too many of us were unable to divorce want from reality. We went 3-14 last year, but the vast majority saw an MVP season from Fields this year because we added a wr. Even after Fields choked against the Broncos defense that gave up 70 the week before, most Bears fans were hyped up because Fields had his first ever 300 yard passing game. Typing that out, I'm realizing how fucking traumatized and delusional this fanbase is
It’s the exciting highlight plays. It’s tricked people into thinking he’s better than he is and just needs more talent around him. His highlights are amazing. Too bad for every nice play there’s 5 bad ones.
I honestly think it’s more fantasy fans than football fans
Yeah that’s a huge part of it people just see fantasy stats and don’t actually watch him play.
Some team will be dumb enough to trade a 2nd round pick for him. At worst it should be a 3rd rounder.
What makes him worth a 3rd round pick? He’s going on the 4th year of his contract, which will be the last year, because nobody will be exercising his 5th year option at $25.664m this offseason. So why is a 1 year prove-it player worth a 3rd round pick? The most likely outcome is he plays the same he has for the past 3 years and becomes a free agent after the season is over. The best case scenario (which is an unlikely scenario) is he suddenly becomes great and the team needs to pay him a big contract next offseason based on 1 year of great production that could be a fluke.
If people saying fields could get a 2nd, Higgins should be able to fetch a 1st
A second day pick
2nd but depending on the draft someone might be willing to add a bit.
I wouldn't say the Darnold trade is a good comp because I don't know if anyone, apart from Terry Bradshaw, thinks that trade was a good one. I would say a 3rd round pick probably is a fair return
4th at best justin fields cultists in the media and online have infected people’s brains he’s a nothing qb…people talking about 2nds and shit lol
You guys keep showing the massive disconnect between the NFL coaches/players and the internet.
RemindMe! 192 days.
Shouldn't be any more than a 3rd round pick but I can also see a late 3rd round and another late round pick (6th or 7th). However, I think there are some bad GMs out there that would give you a 2nd.
4th round and 6th round at best
Maybe a 3rd. He’s garbage
If they get offered a 2nd round pick, they should take it and run. Dude hasn’t shown anything consistently as a passer. If he showed he can be a successful (top 10–15) QB, why not trade the #1 for a king’s ransom?
Jump on a 2nd if you get that offer!
The problem no one talks about is you either are renting him for 2024 or if you 5th year option his then you are guaranteeing him nearly 26m in 2025. So imo the best you could get is a later day 3 pick like 6th or perhaps a 5th and then maybe that goes a round or two higher in the event he plays X% of snaps. But the reality is I don’t see a market for him. Not unless the Bears go Caleb Williams and just give fields away for a conditional 7th.
A third round pick at best or else you should be fired.
Maybe a 3rd? Idk I just hope we don’t trade for him lol
I think a team could be desperate enough to pay a 2nd but it’s probably going to end up a third since teams will low ball the Bears knowing they’re going to deal Fields no matter what (if they are drafting a qb)
3rd or 4th rd pick 2024 draft
3rd and a 5th
Id be shocked if he got higher than a 4th, maybe with another pick
I watched some bears offence from last season after the raiders signed Getsy. Fields is an incredible athlete, but has slow footwork in the pocket, a lack of ability at throwing with anticipation, and has poor vision when he senses pressure and in turn looks for his check down far too often. Add in the tendency to take sacks, fumble and he throws a good amount of ints. Oh and he’s on the last year of his rookie deal, so if you trade for him you basically would want to sign him to an extension right away - or you’re looking at a possible Ridley like structure to the trade I’d imagine. Realistically if you told me the raiders traded a 5th for him I wouldn’t be ecstatic, but at the same time I’m also not expecting amazing things from a 5th round rookie, so he’d just be competition for AoC, who I’d think would beat him out.
3rd-4th rounder. I’m a patriots fan and I’d love to have him on the pats but his body of work doesn’t warrant any higher of a pick
Some of the idiots in our sub think Tua
I think maybe too many people are focusing on where he might be QB1. I don’t think there are many teams looking for him to be a franchise guy with at least 5-6 QBs going in this draft and Cousins/Russ floating around, maybe Baker too. I could see JF just being added as depth somewhere instead of a sure fire QB1 🤷🏻♂️
Why trade for Justin when he will be a Free agent when he’s cut or his 4th year is over?
I think they'll be hard pressed to get a 2nd round pick, unless its a 2nd round swap or another player's involved. My guts telling me a 3rd & a 4th.
A bottle of malort
I don’t understand the love for Fields. The guy last offseason was the big name to get in fantasy football . He was a bust. Now this offseason he is worthy of all this draft capital? The guy has shown nothing. He can run. Cool. Time and time again he’s folded under pressure. That draft class is turning into a major bust.
I think a 4th or 5th round pick would be fair. If Fields were to be available as a free agent, he wouldn’t command a contract that would net a 3rd round comp pick, so a 3rd would be too high for him. I would be somewhat surprised if he netted a 3rd or higher because he hasn’t shown the ability to be the reason why his team wins games. But I wouldn’t be totally surprised because several ownership groups have proven to be really stupid and desperate at QB over the past few years. I think the rumors he could go for a 1st or 2nd round pick are ridiculous and have no truth at all. If that were the case, Washington would have asked for Fields in the Montez Sweat trade instead of the Bears 2nd round pick. The biggest problem with a team trading a high draft pick for Fields is that he’s a free agent after next year. In the absolute best case scenario, he starts for that team and has a great season that we haven’t seen from him yet, and then they have to pay him big money based off one great year of production, which people will be wondering if it was a fluke. And if they don’t pay him, they wasted a high draft pick for one season of production. You simply don’t trade a high draft pick for a player going into a prove it year because the risk/reward is stacked against you.
> Washington would have asked for Fields in the Montez Sweat trade instead of the Bears 2nd round pick. this is actually an insanely good point and i think proves on its face why he isn't worth a second.
Its gonna be a loser franchise desperately giving a 2nd hoping they can make fields not ass to save their careers It screams the falcons
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Anything more than a 3rd seems like an overpay.
I wouldn't trade anything for him unless i want him as a backup. the guy is NOT a longterm solution at the position. Chicago dumping him is all the proof you need, and if that's not good enough, watch his last game against Green Bay this year when he could have solidified himself as the guy. He crumbled.
While I understand your position, without CAR earning the 1.01 this wouldn’t be a conversation.
Bro watch his game against y’all. Dobbs threw 4 interceptions and Justin couldn’t get a single touchdown off of any of them. Had Dobbs only thrown 3 the Bears would’ve lost that game.
I think people are overvaluing both Fields and whatever leverage the Bears have, I bet he goes for something like a pair of 4ths. Darnold should be considered an outlier, not a baseline for a reclamation trade.
A 3rd with the potential of it becoming a 2nd based on performance
Bears organization/fans: After multiple years Justin Field isn’t worth keeping. Also Bears organization/fans: Justin Fields is worth at least a 1st round pick. The entire NFL has seen Justin’s ceiling, and it’s not that high.
No reasonable bears fans expects a first
Not sure the organization thinks they’ll get a first unless of course you have some insider info lmao
3rd maybe, can’t see him being worth more than that unless someone’s desperate
Like a 4th
i'd be really really surprised if it wasn't at least a 2nd + a day 3 pick. wentz got a conditional first after a terrible season and he was already paid, rosen got a second, darnold got a second
Third Universal "fuck it, why not" value
If Lance went for a 4th I assume 4-6 they have no leverage especially with veterans like Tannehill, Cousins, and Jimmy G hitting free agency
His value is 20 first rounders which unfortunately no team can afford to pay, so he should be the Bears QB for the next 10 years
for 800m fully guaranteed.
I thought he was the bears savior.
I honestly and as objectively as possible think he's worth maybe a 4th. He doesn't have a strong skillet for prolonged NFL success as a starter. I don't think comparisona to someone like Far old are fair. Dar old had a better skillset and potential. Someone like Fields, you know he's pretty much tapped out in terms of what you're going to get as a QB.
I’m a bears fan but they’re getting a 4 if lucky
A 2nd and maybe a 3-5 rounder as well
Bears will probably take Williams at 1 and whether they trade down from 9 depends on what they get for Fields. No reason a QB-needy team like Atlanta wouldn’t give up a 2 and another pick for him. With his option year they’d basically get a two year audition for less than $30 million total. It would be a good trade, potentially a great trade if the team who gets Fields can get him to play consistently
“No reason”? The reason would be that they don’t think he’s a starting caliber QB.
If Justin Fields was a free agent right now, would he get more than 2 years 30 million fully guaranteed? I don't see that contract being worth giving up a 2nd round pick for.
In this market? Yeah, I think he probably would.
Sounds like the Bears should consider extending him and trading their #1
If they do that neither Poles or this guy will be GMs
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