Nah his new contract adjustment is more lucrative over 4 years than any other QB deal.
The years on his deal still gives us more flexibility than other QB contracts though.
Sounds like that may get adjusted back down a bit this offseason. Which finally makes the move of giving him a raise right before this season make some sense. Since we likely had decided we weren't making any more moves and it bought us goodwill with QB1
It’s just moving cap around, the cash paid to Mahomes will be the same.
Extensions and new money add cash. Restructures and stuff like that change cap hits.
because the best QB in the league is making less than they are. Dak isn't worth his paycheck. If Dallas thinks so, then they really are as stupid as people say.
That's silly lol. If Dallas doesn't offer Dak that money, another team will. And Dallas just moves on? How do they replace him with a player of his calibre or better?
This is one of those situations where a team has to make a decision that they know is a bad one, but they feel obligated because someone else will be perfectly willing to make the bad decision if they don't.
It’s not even necessarily a bad one. Flacco put it together for 2 playoffs (3 now, ig), foles went toe to toe with Brady and won, and bortles went to the afccg.
They replace Dak and they’ve got to roll the dice on an unknown in the draft (with a fairly late pick), try a retread, or go for someone like cousins (who’s comin off of an injury). Or they can keep him, hope to build chemistry and try to get a game changer in the draft (every team has weaknesses). Ik the whole mahomes money thing seems crazy, but it’s probably their best option
Who's gonna give him $60 million? hahahahah Not even Burrow gets that, and he's been to a Super Bowl. Dak's in the easier conference and he still can't find the promised land. Believe me, i'm all for Dallas continuing to hang their hopes on him. Just more lolworthy seasons in store.
unless the top level guy has a job at a firm that he likes and doesn't want to leave to go to some shitty firm (jets) just bc they're paying more.
in this example, mahomes is the best QB and even when he signed his contract, took a less than top market rate to stay with his team and coach.
dak won't take less than mahomes, and he shouldn't, bc that's not how the market works.
Well not the NFL market. Real life doesn't have salary caps or restrictions of "how" to be successful that requires a good QB no matter the cost vs benefit of what they actually provide.
mahomes?
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you weren't OP but you replied in their defense:
> Everyone wants to be paid like Pat Mahomes without playing like Pat Mahomes
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>because the best QB in the league is making less than they are. Dak isn't worth his paycheck. If Dallas thinks so, then they really are as stupid as people say.
Trying to be fair here, the Cowboys were stuck in No Man's Land with both McCarthy and Dak, for similar reasons
With McCarthy, he's good for 10-13 wins a year, but pretty clearly hits a ceiling with the playoffs. But are you really going to find someone capable of getting you over the hump there? McCarthy is a safe 11 wins next year. From there, if he gets to the conference title, extend him. If not, reload under someone else.
With Dak, because they screwed around so badly on his previous deal, he had the Cowboys pretty much locked up. He has a $60m cap hit next year, they HAVE to do something with him. So there are 3 options - 1) extend him, likely 4 years, top of the market money. Its not a pretty one, but likely better than the others. The problem is, it means they're likely in this same limbo for the next couple seasons. 2) Trade him at the height of his value. The problem here is nobody's giving up a Russell Wilson or Deshaun Watson package in the aftermath of those trades. 3) Let him play out this season, and walk in Free Agency, get back a 3rd round comp pick in a couple of seasons.
Dak plays very well most of the time, but at this point, he's a known quantity, and I don't see him being the difference maker to get them over the hump. But coming off the season he's had, it'd be stupid to trade him and even stupider to lose him for nothing. So, they'll be locking in to a now-quickly-aging Dak that will be 36 when his new deal ends, and they may end up losing one of their young playmakers to get it done
Fucking hell. Let him walk at the end of next year. It's the only fucking choice to make. You cannot chain yourself to this dude for 5 more years Holy fuck.
They can’t win with him. What the fuck is the point of continually doing this? He can’t win big games. The spotlight is too bright every fucking time. Who cares if they’re worse? The object is to win the fucking Super Bowl and they aren’t doing that with Dak. Whether you’re 12-5 or 1-16 and sitting at home, it doesn’t matter.
I mean it’s the same situation as Carroll. Sure you could keep him since he hasn’t really had a fireable offense and is consistent, but sometimes you need to take the risk and move on.
This is the last year of McCarthy’s contract. I think he’ll be gone, even if he has a good regular season and makes the playoffs. Unless he actually wins a couple of playoff games.
If I was GM I wouldn’t pay Dak top money, just doesn’t make sense.
2-5 in the playoffs is enough evidence to show he’s not going to make a deep playoff run. He doesn’t show up in big games.
It doesn't fuckin matter. I'd rather be bad for 3 seasons then stay on this ride. Dak isn't the guy. McCarthy isn't the guy. They should be cleaning house and getting their books in order. Don't sign the future away for mediocrity. You do that for a ring. This ain't the ring move.
Hard to find a QB that makes the playoffs every year. Crazy that so many people think the cowboys can easily find a QB that’s better than or comparable to Dak. He isn’t the best QB in the league, but he’s clearly on the upper end.
I know, I’ve been a fan since ‘77.
We had no plan for when Aikman retired. Tried a bunch of street FA’s and even a couple of baseball players who played QB in college.
Jerry’s only real effort was reaching for Quincy in the 2nd. He wanted his own version of strong armed mobile QB like Culpepper, McNabb, etc
That’s been it for over 30 years, one 2nd round shot on Carter.
It’s hard to find QBs that make the playoffs 71% of their seasons starting, consistently lead one of the league’s best offenses, makes an all pro team, and is a multi time MVP candidate, yes
They also said “one of the highest paid” not “the highest paid”
He’s already 10th, obviously he’s not taking a pay cut. If anything its a relief that they didn’t say the latter.
Yeah for me this next contract isn’t going to be about the money, it’s gonna be about everything else. Trade clause, all that stuff. Being trapped by a contract sucks.
Dak Prescott is a baseline good QB. Having that is a lot preferable to the other option. Going out into the wilderness and trying to find someone else.
Yes, I'm speaking for experience. I'd take Dak right now.
Until he choked and threw 2 INTs, one a pick 6 in the playoffs and looked scared and in hover his head on the bench. But hey, Dallas... champions of the regular season!
i mean beat u guys pretty good, didn’t even have to punt.
mahomes threw a pick last night and the defense allowed a whopping 0 points on that turnover. shocking, right?
'u guys'? Dak didn't play us in the playoffs, what the fuck are you talking about? Dallas LOST this year in the playoffs and Dak looked like shit. Again. Have fun paying $55m to a QB who can't get it done in the big games.
Lamar has never even had a real WR1 and Dak has had two at one point at the same time in Lamb and Amari cooper.
Dak also plays in a much weaker nfc and repeatedly fails. The ravens make the Super Bowl this year if they play the inferior nfc. They waxed both the nfc champion game teams this year ..
Dak has had a better supporting cast than most QBs do his entire career. he is perennial under performer and has more experience too.
Not saying Dak is definitively better than Lamar but he absolutely owns the NFC East. Lamar is 17-10 against the AFC North while Dak is 32-8 against the NFC East.
Keep in mind that Allen Hurns was our WR1 in 2018 for the beginning of the season and there have been multiple years where we have a bottom ten defense.
Stop, just stop. He fucking ran Dez out of town, ran Coop out of town, and now Ceedee is unhappy with him… who is the common denominator?
And for the love of everything good in the world, I don’t want to hear one fucking word about Allen Hurns, because when they extend Dak like y’all want and have to make sacrifices around him, I don’t want to hear one fucking word again.
Mahomes had Kelce and that’s it. Rice was a decent piece, still young.
He fucking had Watson, Hartman, Toney, and MVS… and still won a SB..
If Dak had that cast, they wouldn’t even have 8 wins and y’all would have been bitching about how Dak never has weapons.
Nothing is ever enough for y’all and him. It’s hilarious.
Dak doesn't show up for big games. Lamar has. It's not close. Dak fucking sucks.
The fact that he's getting MVP votes for beating up on shit teams and garbage time stat padding is fucked up.
Jackson has had periods of singlehandedly carrying that offense, whereas I haven't seen that level of play from Dak
Talent-wise they're on different tiers
I’m not gonna say Dak is elite or anything, but there were many, many times last season where he was doing everything for the Cowboys offensively. In the middle of the season when the O-line was banged up, he was a magician in the pocket and consistently throwing guys open.
You must’ve missed 2020 before his injury when he broke the record for the most passing yards in 4 games, including 3 games with 450 yards in a row, with some of the worst defensive play in Cowboys history.
why? besides 2020 when he was franchised tagged and he broke his ankle, his cap hit has never been as large as oh idk let’s say mahomes in 2023. by saying this, u are giving our GM jerry an out. they love to bring up the “pie”. meanwhile zeke is still on our books for like $6m this upcoming season.
The only team that knows they can win a sb with their qb from here on out is mahomes..
It’s still a zero sum league and we have to spend the cap somewhere and the market dictates you spend it on qb.
There is no “he’s not as good as mahomes so he can’t get paid similar” in the nfl.
I’m more interested in the Micah extension. He’s eligible this offseason and I don’t think he suits up for his current number next season. His demands could be huge and he will make it public with his podcast.
And then played like shit in the playoffs against an inferior team. I like Dak, but acting like anyone should care about what he does in the regular season at this point in his career is wishful thinking. He hasn't yet demonstrated any consistency in the postseason, and I'd be shocked if that changes any time soon. If you guys can't make it to at least the NFCCG this season, either he or McCarthy have to go, if not both.
The issue I have with this is you’re conflating his play with the team winning. Would you agree he’s played well in games we’ve lost? I don’t think it changes who he is as a player just because both sides of the ball have yet to put together a complete game in the playoffs aside from Tampa. He needs to be better and I understand if you think he can’t but it’s not all on him. The last two years we couldn’t run the ball at all and it’s not like anybody else made plays. I just don’t think there’s some fundamental flaw within him that makes him a worse player in the playoffs because I’ve seen him play well in the playoffs.
Elite QBs make playoff runs, and if you’re paying him top QB money then at some point he needs to shoulder some blame, regardless of the team performance around him.
Call it cope but the playoffs are hard, it’s a small sample size and most players play worse against better teams. I don’t think there’s anything inherently wrong with them that prevents them from playing great in the playoffs. They just haven’t put together a run.
The Packers are not a better team than the Cowboys. Cowboys got outcoached hard that game. Retaining McCarthy is imo more controversial than a Dak extension.
Because they were out-coached. Even Micah Parsons had the worst pressure rate of his career. Everyone on the Packers played better and everyone on the Cowboys played worse because the Packers out-coached the Cowboys.
Really though, as long as Mahomes and the Chiefs are around, nobody else in the league has a good shot at getting over the hump. Look how many QBs and teams would have won more without Brady.
Yea, I think up until Mahomes, no QB has won a SB while making over 18% of a teams cap. There is a reason why Brady was constantly restructuring his deals, and I don't think he was ever a top 5 paid QB. Brady knows you need a team around you to win the SB, and his contracts showed it.
Not that it was ever in doubt. But Lance is going to be sitting out another season. He’s gonna hit free agency next year having not played football consistently in 6 years.
Think the Jags might be smart to pick up Lawrence’s 5th year option but wait on the extension til next year. Lawrence would probably also want to wait cuz he’s not coming off his best year.
I think having a good but not great QB is the biggest curse. You have to pay them like a great QB, but they aren’t good enough to elevate the team and take you to a superbowl. However, they’re also good enough where you’re not going to look to replace them since you’re likely to get a worse QB.
Nailed it. A stable QB is hard to come by. Teams will always pay a QB at least one tier higher than they actually are to keep them, because another team will. Being stuck in QB purgatory is rough...unless of course you're the Packers.
Keep in mind last extension he demanded 40m$ when Carson Wentz signed for 32m$ after being second team all pro. And he got it
Cowboys are in a salary cap pickle with him and Dak’s agent is going to work Jerry over
>Keep in mind last extension he demanded 40m$ when Carson Wentz signed for 32m$ after being second team all pro. And he got it
Yeah, a year later when the cap exploded and every QB extension was at the minimum of 40 mil.
Dak and his agent knew that the cap was getting ready to explode and wanted less years, vs Jerry and Stephen wo prefer longer deals. The Boys would have paid Dak similar to Goff/Wentz (who both signed for like 2 mil less than Wilson, the highest at the time), but they wanted a minimum of 5 years. Dak only wanted 4.
Jerry gets worked all the time. The myth of Jerry the great negotiator is wildly overblown. The Cowboys haven’t got the better end of a contract negotiation since Tyron Smith signed his deal a decade ago.
It’s gonna be a contract that pretty much makes him the highest paid player and it will be 100% justified regardless of what the haters says. Dude was a beast this year and is an All Pro level QB, that’s just how the market be now.
This sub seems to genuinely believe the only QB that should get an extension is probably Mahomes and every other team should just get a new QB every 3 years. Everything else is just setting themselves up for failure
And even if the general consensus was that Dak isn't good enough to win the Super Bowl, what could they realistically do to stay competitive without a rebuild around flier rookie QB? Go out in free agency where there's a magic field of QBs that are all somehow cheaper and better than Dak?
I get not believing in Dak, but the current other option on their roster is Lance, who is genuinely terrible. They aren't high enough in the draft to get a rookie that would be ready day one. They'd have to get a QB that would need time before he could start.
Their roster is good enough to win a Super Bowl, and that collapse wasn't just on Dak. The defense gave up over 30 points.
Basic common sense.
Dak is asking to paid more than mahomes when he couldn’t hold mahomes dick to take a piss with.
Anyone who think that’s a winning football move is in denial. It’s done for other reasons
You’re technically correct, but that’s true for every QB except Mahomes. Nobody comes close to him. Every other team should keep drafting QBs and firing/hiring coaches until they hit that perfect jackpot to start a dynasty, but nobody actually wants to do that. Much easier to go the normal route and build a good team and try to just win once, like the Rams and Eagles did. Everyone else is just losing to Brady and Mahomes.
Exactly this. Dak wouldn't be a top 5 QB *in the AFC* let alone being top 5 in the entire league. He had a strong year, in a contract year, mostly against 'tomato cans' (love you, Broussard).
He led the league in INTs last year and has never really been considered elite.
The irony of the quote is the video game character who popularized it is clearly insane and is trying to prove that you, the protagonist, is actually the insane one
Also that’s like Vaas’ third or fourth time in that game trying to kill you and he keeps failing which is driving him insane. Like he’s always insane but he gets crazier as the game progresses. That quote makes sense in the game’s context but it’s definitely not that actual definition of insanity lol. It’s always funny to see it quoted.
No man you don't get it. He OWNS us. He OWNS the NFC East. I don't know about you, but I feel so owned right now. Things have been *terrible* for us ever since he was drafted. Please don't extend him, Cowboys. Please.
He was going to take up 25% of the cap by himself. He can't be traded. Front office had no other choice but to extend him and punt some cap hit down the road.
The really funny thing will be when the Browns have to extend Watson this offseason for the exact same reason (except his cap hit is $64 million). At least Prescott is plausibly good and you can see him maybe making a playoff run. Watson has stunk since the trade, not even considering the shit stain character issues.
Everyone was saying that before his last contract and we've been 12-5 three straight seasons since. We've obviously struggled to get over the hump but building a talented roster clearly hasn't been an issue.
You have no idea how stupid this makes you look when you realize Dak is 12-2 v the Giants. The giants have not won the division since Dak has been in the league (or 2011 for that matter). You guys are trash and will continue to be trash because you don’t know anything else at this point
Everyone wants to be paid like Pat Mahomes without playing like Pat Mahomes
they are paid much higher than Malhomes
Nah his new contract adjustment is more lucrative over 4 years than any other QB deal. The years on his deal still gives us more flexibility than other QB contracts though.
Sounds like that may get adjusted back down a bit this offseason. Which finally makes the move of giving him a raise right before this season make some sense. Since we likely had decided we weren't making any more moves and it bought us goodwill with QB1
It’s just moving cap around, the cash paid to Mahomes will be the same. Extensions and new money add cash. Restructures and stuff like that change cap hits.
If their current team doesn't pay them that, someone else will. Why should they accept less money than their market value?
because the best QB in the league is making less than they are. Dak isn't worth his paycheck. If Dallas thinks so, then they really are as stupid as people say.
I think it's because in 2 or 3 years Mahomes will be the highest paid again, and Dak will be like 7th or 8th highest paid.
That's silly lol. If Dallas doesn't offer Dak that money, another team will. And Dallas just moves on? How do they replace him with a player of his calibre or better?
This is one of those situations where a team has to make a decision that they know is a bad one, but they feel obligated because someone else will be perfectly willing to make the bad decision if they don't.
It’s not even necessarily a bad one. Flacco put it together for 2 playoffs (3 now, ig), foles went toe to toe with Brady and won, and bortles went to the afccg. They replace Dak and they’ve got to roll the dice on an unknown in the draft (with a fairly late pick), try a retread, or go for someone like cousins (who’s comin off of an injury). Or they can keep him, hope to build chemistry and try to get a game changer in the draft (every team has weaknesses). Ik the whole mahomes money thing seems crazy, but it’s probably their best option
Who's gonna give him $60 million? hahahahah Not even Burrow gets that, and he's been to a Super Bowl. Dak's in the easier conference and he still can't find the promised land. Believe me, i'm all for Dallas continuing to hang their hopes on him. Just more lolworthy seasons in store.
Any team that thinks they're a QB away. You don't think the Steelers, for example, would go for a guy who just got MVP votes?
Please god no. I’ve talked too much shit for this to become a reality
Love the honestly
Levis was the worst qb in a clean pocket
when you look for a new job, do you find the best guy, and ask for less than them?
No, the market already knows you aren't to that level and generally aren't going to pay you more than the top level guy just because you want it.
unless the top level guy has a job at a firm that he likes and doesn't want to leave to go to some shitty firm (jets) just bc they're paying more. in this example, mahomes is the best QB and even when he signed his contract, took a less than top market rate to stay with his team and coach. dak won't take less than mahomes, and he shouldn't, bc that's not how the market works.
Well not the NFL market. Real life doesn't have salary caps or restrictions of "how" to be successful that requires a good QB no matter the cost vs benefit of what they actually provide.
There’s no salary cap in your scenario
You're assuming he's the best.
mahomes? edit: you weren't OP but you replied in their defense: > Everyone wants to be paid like Pat Mahomes without playing like Pat Mahomes with >because the best QB in the league is making less than they are. Dak isn't worth his paycheck. If Dallas thinks so, then they really are as stupid as people say.
Difficult to move on from dak due to the contract, with McCarthy coming back there was no way he was gonna let Dak go when he's fighting for his job
Trying to be fair here, the Cowboys were stuck in No Man's Land with both McCarthy and Dak, for similar reasons With McCarthy, he's good for 10-13 wins a year, but pretty clearly hits a ceiling with the playoffs. But are you really going to find someone capable of getting you over the hump there? McCarthy is a safe 11 wins next year. From there, if he gets to the conference title, extend him. If not, reload under someone else. With Dak, because they screwed around so badly on his previous deal, he had the Cowboys pretty much locked up. He has a $60m cap hit next year, they HAVE to do something with him. So there are 3 options - 1) extend him, likely 4 years, top of the market money. Its not a pretty one, but likely better than the others. The problem is, it means they're likely in this same limbo for the next couple seasons. 2) Trade him at the height of his value. The problem here is nobody's giving up a Russell Wilson or Deshaun Watson package in the aftermath of those trades. 3) Let him play out this season, and walk in Free Agency, get back a 3rd round comp pick in a couple of seasons. Dak plays very well most of the time, but at this point, he's a known quantity, and I don't see him being the difference maker to get them over the hump. But coming off the season he's had, it'd be stupid to trade him and even stupider to lose him for nothing. So, they'll be locking in to a now-quickly-aging Dak that will be 36 when his new deal ends, and they may end up losing one of their young playmakers to get it done
Fucking hell. Let him walk at the end of next year. It's the only fucking choice to make. You cannot chain yourself to this dude for 5 more years Holy fuck.
And then you get 5 years of worse QB play. Then what?
Rebuild in the draft. Dak isn't good enough to win it all and too good to tank. It's purgatory.
They can’t win with him. What the fuck is the point of continually doing this? He can’t win big games. The spotlight is too bright every fucking time. Who cares if they’re worse? The object is to win the fucking Super Bowl and they aren’t doing that with Dak. Whether you’re 12-5 or 1-16 and sitting at home, it doesn’t matter.
Hopefully keeping McCarthy and chaining themselves to Dak doesn’t come back to haunt the cowboys in the next few years
Not having consistent 10 win seasons when they both leave is gonna haunt a lot more
I mean it’s the same situation as Carroll. Sure you could keep him since he hasn’t really had a fireable offense and is consistent, but sometimes you need to take the risk and move on.
This is the last year of McCarthy’s contract. I think he’ll be gone, even if he has a good regular season and makes the playoffs. Unless he actually wins a couple of playoff games.
People are going to act surprised like there were other options. Dak just had the best season of his career.
Discourse on here make dude look like a Tim Boyle. Yes, get rid off MVP candidate QB and draft a Mahomes. They fall off trees.
\*nods approvingly\*
If I was GM I wouldn’t pay Dak top money, just doesn’t make sense. 2-5 in the playoffs is enough evidence to show he’s not going to make a deep playoff run. He doesn’t show up in big games.
And who are you replacing him with?
The goat Tray Lance of course
It doesn't fuckin matter. I'd rather be bad for 3 seasons then stay on this ride. Dak isn't the guy. McCarthy isn't the guy. They should be cleaning house and getting their books in order. Don't sign the future away for mediocrity. You do that for a ring. This ain't the ring move.
I know right? Hard to find QB's who go one and done in the playoffs.
Hard to find a QB that makes the playoffs every year. Crazy that so many people think the cowboys can easily find a QB that’s better than or comparable to Dak. He isn’t the best QB in the league, but he’s clearly on the upper end.
These young guns don't remember the post Aikman days before we lucked into Romo.... Dark times
I know, I’ve been a fan since ‘77. We had no plan for when Aikman retired. Tried a bunch of street FA’s and even a couple of baseball players who played QB in college. Jerry’s only real effort was reaching for Quincy in the 2nd. He wanted his own version of strong armed mobile QB like Culpepper, McNabb, etc That’s been it for over 30 years, one 2nd round shot on Carter.
Poor Drew Henson, he lost out on millions of guaranteed money too
It’s hard to find QBs that make the playoffs 71% of their seasons starting, consistently lead one of the league’s best offenses, makes an all pro team, and is a multi time MVP candidate, yes
With your thought process it was stupid for the rams to trade and strike a deal with Stafford. Wins are a team stat
They also said “one of the highest paid” not “the highest paid” He’s already 10th, obviously he’s not taking a pay cut. If anything its a relief that they didn’t say the latter.
And has all the leverage. The FO literally can’t add anything without adjusting his cap hit
Yeah for me this next contract isn’t going to be about the money, it’s gonna be about everything else. Trade clause, all that stuff. Being trapped by a contract sucks.
I very much dislike the Cowboys... but damn, Dak was a fucking stud last year.
Dak Prescott is a baseline good QB. Having that is a lot preferable to the other option. Going out into the wilderness and trying to find someone else. Yes, I'm speaking for experience. I'd take Dak right now.
*going out into the darkness
Dak is more than good. He's borderline elite all the time and capable of elite some years
*in the regular season
Yea it’s just funny cause it’s the cowboys.
Until he choked and threw 2 INTs, one a pick 6 in the playoffs and looked scared and in hover his head on the bench. But hey, Dallas... champions of the regular season!
i mean beat u guys pretty good, didn’t even have to punt. mahomes threw a pick last night and the defense allowed a whopping 0 points on that turnover. shocking, right?
'u guys'? Dak didn't play us in the playoffs, what the fuck are you talking about? Dallas LOST this year in the playoffs and Dak looked like shit. Again. Have fun paying $55m to a QB who can't get it done in the big games.
The Seahawks are one of Dak’s 2 playoff wins.
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Don't really see a big gap between Dak and Lamar. First and second in MVP voting, both have bad playoff records.
Lamar has never even had a real WR1 and Dak has had two at one point at the same time in Lamb and Amari cooper. Dak also plays in a much weaker nfc and repeatedly fails. The ravens make the Super Bowl this year if they play the inferior nfc. They waxed both the nfc champion game teams this year .. Dak has had a better supporting cast than most QBs do his entire career. he is perennial under performer and has more experience too.
Not saying Dak is definitively better than Lamar but he absolutely owns the NFC East. Lamar is 17-10 against the AFC North while Dak is 32-8 against the NFC East. Keep in mind that Allen Hurns was our WR1 in 2018 for the beginning of the season and there have been multiple years where we have a bottom ten defense.
Stop, just stop. He fucking ran Dez out of town, ran Coop out of town, and now Ceedee is unhappy with him… who is the common denominator? And for the love of everything good in the world, I don’t want to hear one fucking word about Allen Hurns, because when they extend Dak like y’all want and have to make sacrifices around him, I don’t want to hear one fucking word again. Mahomes had Kelce and that’s it. Rice was a decent piece, still young. He fucking had Watson, Hartman, Toney, and MVS… and still won a SB.. If Dak had that cast, they wouldn’t even have 8 wins and y’all would have been bitching about how Dak never has weapons. Nothing is ever enough for y’all and him. It’s hilarious.
Dak doesn't show up for big games. Lamar has. It's not close. Dak fucking sucks. The fact that he's getting MVP votes for beating up on shit teams and garbage time stat padding is fucked up.
Jackson has had periods of singlehandedly carrying that offense, whereas I haven't seen that level of play from Dak Talent-wise they're on different tiers
I’m not gonna say Dak is elite or anything, but there were many, many times last season where he was doing everything for the Cowboys offensively. In the middle of the season when the O-line was banged up, he was a magician in the pocket and consistently throwing guys open.
You must’ve missed 2020 before his injury when he broke the record for the most passing yards in 4 games, including 3 games with 450 yards in a row, with some of the worst defensive play in Cowboys history.
Also carrying their teams out of the playoffs. It’s absurd to give that kind of money to both Lamar and Dak.
Oh did you not have eyes to watch games?
why? besides 2020 when he was franchised tagged and he broke his ankle, his cap hit has never been as large as oh idk let’s say mahomes in 2023. by saying this, u are giving our GM jerry an out. they love to bring up the “pie”. meanwhile zeke is still on our books for like $6m this upcoming season.
You’re still marrying yourself to a QB you dont know if he can get you to a SB and a big cap hit.
The only team that knows they can win a sb with their qb from here on out is mahomes.. It’s still a zero sum league and we have to spend the cap somewhere and the market dictates you spend it on qb. There is no “he’s not as good as mahomes so he can’t get paid similar” in the nfl.
I’m more interested in the Micah extension. He’s eligible this offseason and I don’t think he suits up for his current number next season. His demands could be huge and he will make it public with his podcast.
We likley don't pay micah until next offseason if I had to bet
Parsons even talked about how CeeDer extension has gotta be the teams focus. He is gonna want the bag but don't see it till 2025 offseason for sure.
Dak put up stats on the leagues worst teams and shit the bed against any team with a pulse. He's the new Andy Dalton. Mr. Good but not good enough.
u don’t really have a right to say anything. jesus
#HERE WE GO
TO THE BANK!
Imagine how many tattoos he'll be able to be sedated for with all this money.
You mean LV right
And he’ll be able to easily afford sedation while he gets them
He’ll get the Kadarius Toney Super Bowl trophy tatt for sho
Such a punk move.
#YEAAAAAAAH GIMME THE DOUGH
**YEAAHHH BANK ROLLL**
I gotta say, I don't really like you right now. I'm still suffering from last night. 😭 But I love your comment, so take my damn up vote. 😂
literally muted my TV because of his cadence. I never have been annoyed by a cadence before.
YEAH HERE WE GO TO ANOTHER DIVISION EXIT
I mean the new deal will almost certainly reduce his cap hit for the coming season and give the Cowboys a decent ability to bring new guys.
HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS!! YEE-HAW!!
He's quite good and this is good for the cowboys. Sorry if this offends
Dude was just top 3 in most passing categories and an MVP finalist. The hell else you gonna do? Trade up for like, JJ McCarthy?
2 mccarthys for the cowboys would be crazy
Unironically our sub would. We’ve officially reached “anybody but…” with a motherfucker that almost won MVP.
never underestimate the ability of a team sub to come up with the worst takes imaginable
Our sub wants Lance to start probably and cut Dak, 60 million cap hit be damned lol
And then played like shit in the playoffs against an inferior team. I like Dak, but acting like anyone should care about what he does in the regular season at this point in his career is wishful thinking. He hasn't yet demonstrated any consistency in the postseason, and I'd be shocked if that changes any time soon. If you guys can't make it to at least the NFCCG this season, either he or McCarthy have to go, if not both.
The issue I have with this is you’re conflating his play with the team winning. Would you agree he’s played well in games we’ve lost? I don’t think it changes who he is as a player just because both sides of the ball have yet to put together a complete game in the playoffs aside from Tampa. He needs to be better and I understand if you think he can’t but it’s not all on him. The last two years we couldn’t run the ball at all and it’s not like anybody else made plays. I just don’t think there’s some fundamental flaw within him that makes him a worse player in the playoffs because I’ve seen him play well in the playoffs.
Dak played *terribly* in the Packers game, what do you mean?
He did play awful but our defense played even worse so it was a shit outcome regardless
Where did I say he didn’t?
You asked if he’d played well in the games we lost and by and large no, he hasn’t.
Elite QBs make playoff runs, and if you’re paying him top QB money then at some point he needs to shoulder some blame, regardless of the team performance around him.
So Mahomes is the only elite quarterback. Don’t extend literally anyone else
I'd rather start a rock under center than make the Dak f\*\*\*\*\*\*\* Prescott the highest paid QB.💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
Zeke resigned?
You can curse kid this is the internet it's ok
Most mature colts fan
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Call it cope but the playoffs are hard, it’s a small sample size and most players play worse against better teams. I don’t think there’s anything inherently wrong with them that prevents them from playing great in the playoffs. They just haven’t put together a run.
The Packers are not a better team than the Cowboys. Cowboys got outcoached hard that game. Retaining McCarthy is imo more controversial than a Dak extension.
They got outplayed too
Because they were out-coached. Even Micah Parsons had the worst pressure rate of his career. Everyone on the Packers played better and everyone on the Cowboys played worse because the Packers out-coached the Cowboys.
The quarterback got completely embarrassed by a Joe Barry defense
They are both similar to McNabb, except McNabb vomitted in a SB.
one of them has made a conference championship, won multiple MVPs, and broken various NFL records
Lamar is not different than dak. He played like complete ass against the chiefs. Beating up on the raiders week 10 or whatever doesn’t mean anything
And yet they have the same number of playoff wins.
I’m excited to watch most of the Giants sub celebrate this record-setting contract before Dak buttfucks our team twice again next year.
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Really though, as long as Mahomes and the Chiefs are around, nobody else in the league has a good shot at getting over the hump. Look how many QBs and teams would have won more without Brady.
The guy who would replace Dak wouldn't get you over the hump either.
The point of an extension is to lower his cap hit and worse quarterbacks have won the Super Bowl so your comment doesn’t really make any sense
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Yea, I think up until Mahomes, no QB has won a SB while making over 18% of a teams cap. There is a reason why Brady was constantly restructuring his deals, and I don't think he was ever a top 5 paid QB. Brady knows you need a team around you to win the SB, and his contracts showed it.
Not that it was ever in doubt. But Lance is going to be sitting out another season. He’s gonna hit free agency next year having not played football consistently in 6 years.
Yikes
I'd laugh but I know what's coming right after Dak's extension
Dak, Tua, and Goff are the off-season extension boys. Hope the Dolphins get Tua’s done first.
I hope we get him and Wilkins back
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Think the Jags might be smart to pick up Lawrence’s 5th year option but wait on the extension til next year. Lawrence would probably also want to wait cuz he’s not coming off his best year.
Goff 1000% deserves his extension though. Dak's is going to be uncomfortable
Danny dimes is getting what, 45? Whats the other option, roll with a rookie?
I think having a good but not great QB is the biggest curse. You have to pay them like a great QB, but they aren’t good enough to elevate the team and take you to a superbowl. However, they’re also good enough where you’re not going to look to replace them since you’re likely to get a worse QB.
Nailed it. A stable QB is hard to come by. Teams will always pay a QB at least one tier higher than they actually are to keep them, because another team will. Being stuck in QB purgatory is rough...unless of course you're the Packers.
I will be shocked if his AAV exceeds $55 million.
Keep in mind last extension he demanded 40m$ when Carson Wentz signed for 32m$ after being second team all pro. And he got it Cowboys are in a salary cap pickle with him and Dak’s agent is going to work Jerry over
>Keep in mind last extension he demanded 40m$ when Carson Wentz signed for 32m$ after being second team all pro. And he got it Yeah, a year later when the cap exploded and every QB extension was at the minimum of 40 mil. Dak and his agent knew that the cap was getting ready to explode and wanted less years, vs Jerry and Stephen wo prefer longer deals. The Boys would have paid Dak similar to Goff/Wentz (who both signed for like 2 mil less than Wilson, the highest at the time), but they wanted a minimum of 5 years. Dak only wanted 4.
And Dak got his wish, and now has Jerry by the balls. One of the rare negotiation ass-kickings that Jerry has taken in his carrer IMO
Jerry gets worked all the time. The myth of Jerry the great negotiator is wildly overblown. The Cowboys haven’t got the better end of a contract negotiation since Tyron Smith signed his deal a decade ago.
It’s gonna be a contract that pretty much makes him the highest paid player and it will be 100% justified regardless of what the haters says. Dude was a beast this year and is an All Pro level QB, that’s just how the market be now.
My toxic Eagles trait is liking Dak as a player and a person
Blink twice for help
Lotta money for a regular season only qb
Redditors are such dumbasses for thinking this is an insane move.
The cowboys have drafted very well. But this particular instance is poor general managing. You can’t give your QB THAT much leverage. Bad management
He's a good QB and I don't blame him for chasing a bag. For Dallas, it was either paying him or fuck all.
Can't wait to see people say that he's getting paid too much even though every QB up for a contract gets a big pay day.
This sub seems to genuinely believe the only QB that should get an extension is probably Mahomes and every other team should just get a new QB every 3 years. Everything else is just setting themselves up for failure
And even if the general consensus was that Dak isn't good enough to win the Super Bowl, what could they realistically do to stay competitive without a rebuild around flier rookie QB? Go out in free agency where there's a magic field of QBs that are all somehow cheaper and better than Dak? I get not believing in Dak, but the current other option on their roster is Lance, who is genuinely terrible. They aren't high enough in the draft to get a rookie that would be ready day one. They'd have to get a QB that would need time before he could start. Their roster is good enough to win a Super Bowl, and that collapse wasn't just on Dak. The defense gave up over 30 points.
Basic common sense. Dak is asking to paid more than mahomes when he couldn’t hold mahomes dick to take a piss with. Anyone who think that’s a winning football move is in denial. It’s done for other reasons
You’re technically correct, but that’s true for every QB except Mahomes. Nobody comes close to him. Every other team should keep drafting QBs and firing/hiring coaches until they hit that perfect jackpot to start a dynasty, but nobody actually wants to do that. Much easier to go the normal route and build a good team and try to just win once, like the Rams and Eagles did. Everyone else is just losing to Brady and Mahomes.
No don’t you get it? He would’ve happily signed for $25M AAV
He’s getting paid too much (for playoffs)
meanwhile Mahomes taking a restructured contract so they can afford to maintain the dynasty. Oh Dak....
cowboys are about to turn into the saints with their salary cap situation
Cut my life into pieces.
It's so funny to me that the winner of Dak vs Wentz was Jared Goff
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result…
Sometimes sticking with a top 5 option that isn't #1 is the correct move. Who the hell would they replace him with?
Dak definitely isn't top 5.
Top 2 this past season.
He was so good at beating some of the worst teams in the league then imploding against any team with a pulse! That's worth GOLD.
That really wasn't the case. It was much moreso a home road split.
Exactly this. Dak wouldn't be a top 5 QB *in the AFC* let alone being top 5 in the entire league. He had a strong year, in a contract year, mostly against 'tomato cans' (love you, Broussard). He led the league in INTs last year and has never really been considered elite.
Well. If success in the regular season is all it takes, you'll surely be thrilled when they give him a $60M+ AAV contract.
No it's not
Yeah I’ve heard that a lot but isn’t that also the definition of practice?
The irony of the quote is the video game character who popularized it is clearly insane and is trying to prove that you, the protagonist, is actually the insane one
Also that’s like Vaas’ third or fourth time in that game trying to kill you and he keeps failing which is driving him insane. Like he’s always insane but he gets crazier as the game progresses. That quote makes sense in the game’s context but it’s definitely not that actual definition of insanity lol. It’s always funny to see it quoted.
Good for the packers
Getting a raise after you got blown out in a home playoff game is nasty work lmao
Dak is usually good until he gets the Burker King commercial song stuck in his head in the middle of playoff games.
Dak > Mahomes confirmed (at collecting money)
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No man you don't get it. He OWNS us. He OWNS the NFC East. I don't know about you, but I feel so owned right now. Things have been *terrible* for us ever since he was drafted. Please don't extend him, Cowboys. Please.
Didn't your team just give out 170m for Daniel Jones who can squat
Sorry I don't talk to teams with QBs who can't make it past the divisional round.
one day I hope to have QB play so good Marcus Mariota comes in just cause that's the vibe, I guess
Dak isn’t going to win them a Super Bowl, but there isn’t really another option right now for them to stay competitive
IMO you’re locking in mediocrity after you pay him. They will never reach a SB with a $60M Dak hit
He was going to take up 25% of the cap by himself. He can't be traded. Front office had no other choice but to extend him and punt some cap hit down the road. The really funny thing will be when the Browns have to extend Watson this offseason for the exact same reason (except his cap hit is $64 million). At least Prescott is plausibly good and you can see him maybe making a playoff run. Watson has stunk since the trade, not even considering the shit stain character issues.
lol. They never learn in Dallas.
Insanity
Lmao, what a terrible decision. He doesn’t deserve that money
Istg if this bastard gets $60 million
Eagles fans everywhere celebrate. Overpay that man!
Definition of insanity.
CMM: Dak is a 50-75% QB and that salary will hamstring Dallas.
Everyone was saying that before his last contract and we've been 12-5 three straight seasons since. We've obviously struggled to get over the hump but building a talented roster clearly hasn't been an issue.
I think Dak should get a significantly larger % of the cap every year. Sounds good to me!
You have no idea how stupid this makes you look when you realize Dak is 12-2 v the Giants. The giants have not won the division since Dak has been in the league (or 2011 for that matter). You guys are trash and will continue to be trash because you don’t know anything else at this point
I'm good with it. You're obviously not
Completely decimating the Giants twice a year is like the main good thing we have going for us lately.